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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Lift Studios on April 08, 2008, 09:59:40 AM
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Muscle Phone (http://MusclePhone.com) along with FLEXonline.com (http://FLEXonline.com) brings it to you first.
http://www.flexonline.com/flexonline_keystonepro_cancelled/news/394
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Thanks MusclePhone!
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Thanks MusclePhone!
You're welcome Mass 04. 8)
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Holy craps batman.......u mean its .............cancelled?!???!!
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I just got the TEXT! That's good because I've been tossing and turning all night long wondering the status on the Keystone Pro. Now I can sleep better at night.
Thanks, Musclephone!
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This just in.... the NFL has cancelled all week 7 and week 15 games for the 2008 season.
Bye Japan Pro and the Keystone Pro!
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This just in.... the NFL has cancelled all week 7 and week 15 games for the 2008 season.
Bye Japan Pro and the Keystone Pro!
thats a good point
bodybuilding has fans with no money
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What's Silvio gonna do now??
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This just in.... the NFL has cancelled all week 7 and week 15 games for the 2008 season.
Bye Japan Pro and the Keystone Pro!
Exactly.
Just goes to show you how pathetic this shit really is.... :-\
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http://www.flexonline.com/flexonline_keystonepro_cancelled/news/394 (http://www.flexonline.com/flexonline_keystonepro_cancelled/news/394)
glorious times for Bodybuilding, am i right? :-\
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I heard it from MusclePhone first. :)
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We all heard 16 hours before it became official.
Thanks, Musclephone!
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I heard it from MusclePhone first. :)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=209259.0
DAMN YOU MUSCLEPHONE!!!!!! DAMN YOU TO HELLLLLLL! ;D :P
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There goes thousands of $$'s in prep....will you be refunding me Muscle Phone??
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Bodybuilding is done.
Hope this hurts.
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Bodybuilding is done.
Hope this hurts.
What part of oiled up men in thongs onstage being cheered by a mass dominated male audience gave you that idea?
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Bodybuilding is done.
Hope this hurts.
I wouldn't say it's the end of pro bodybuilding quite yet, but the way these shows come and go, it shows the total lack of support outside of the Olympia and Arnold.
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Huh? Why? ???
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all drugs
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I received this info pre-Musclephone last year when Isaac told me there were fewer than 20 people in attendance.
So you're saying holding a Pro Bodybuilding contest in the Northeast during the first beach weekend (Memorial Weekend) of the year isn't a great idea?
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What part of oiled up men in thongs onstage being cheered by a mass dominated male audience gave you that idea?
I'm still a fan of bodybuilding and will allways be which is why I like posting here.
What brings you around if you think it's all about oiled men?
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its tough to get new shows to prosper for more than a yr or 2,arnold,olymia,ny pro,ironman have benn and always will last due to there reputation.
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2 to 4 shows get cancelled most years, don't they?
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I heard it from MusclePhone first. :)
I heard it from Getbig first. :)
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I received this info pre-Musclephone last year when Isaac told me there were fewer than 20 people in attendance.
So you're saying holding a Pro Bodybuilding contest in the Northeast during the first beach weekend (Memorial Weekend) of the year isn't a great idea?
less than20...is that really true?
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I heard it from Getbig first. :)
Getbig heard it from Musclephone. :)
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less than20...is that really true?
Don't know an exact number but some friends of mine went and it was pretty empty and the mens finals didn't start until well after 9pm.
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its tough to get new shows to prosper for more than a yr or 2,arnold,olymia,ny pro,ironman have been and always will last due to there reputation.
the NY Pro is a mere shadow of what the NOC was. the Ironman moved from a 4000 seat theatre to a 1200 folding chair side room in a convention center. The Toronto Pro (sometimes called Niagara Falls Pro) was well established but is now gone. The European Grand Prix is gone. San Jose/San Francisco/Sacramento Pro is gone.
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Sometimes I just can't scratch my balls enough.
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Sometimes I just can't scratch my balls enough.
Tell me about it!
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The problem is that fans have to travel to get to shows, so they usually choose to attend one of the two big ones (Olympia or Arnold). That leaves the local population to attend the smaller shows. Even NY and LA struggle to fill seats relying on the local fan base. Why even rent auditoriums for the smaller shows. The IFBB should set up a "studio" with proper lighting and seats for the judges and not have an audience. This studio show could be done 4 or 5 times/year and shown on webcast.
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The problem is that fans have to travel to get to shows, so they usually choose to attend one of the two big ones (Olympia or Arnold). That leaves the local population to attend the smaller shows. Even NY and LA struggle to fill seats relying on the local fan base. Why even rent auditoriums for the smaller shows. The IFBB should set up a "studio" with proper lighting and seats for the judges and not have an audience. This studio show could be done 4 or 5 times/year and shown on webcast.
If anything they should do more beach shows in the summer. Have them somewhere indoors and small for prejudiging and then have them outside just after dark for the finals.
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MUSCLEPHONE !!!!!!!!!!!
MUSCLEPHONE !!!!!!!!!!!
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thats a good point
bodybuilding has no fans with no money
Fixed.
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Getbig heard it from Musclephone. :)
LOL! :D
It always goes back to Musclephone.
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the NY Pro is a mere shadow of what the NOC was. the Ironman moved from a 4000 seat theatre to a 1200 folding chair side room in a convention center. The Toronto Pro (sometimes called Niagara Falls Pro) was well established but is now gone. The European Grand Prix is gone. San Jose/San Francisco/Sacramento Pro is gone.
TRUE,,if your getting into it yes noc would attract over 40 bbers on stage in mid nineties,niagra,san jose,san fran were all mid level staples in mid to late nineties.the grand prix is a shame because going to other countries and showcasing the best was big in the eighties and nineties too,now the olympia is u.s soil.back in haney day they went to rimini,essen,ect...shame.
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If anything they should do more beach shows in the summer. Have them somewhere indoors and small for prejudiging and then have them outside just after dark for the finals.
good idea
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but Tim,
how can this be??
according to the IFBB athletes rep, bodybuilding is more popular than ever!!!
could the great bob chick be telling lies?
the NY Pro is a mere shadow of what the NOC was. the Ironman moved from a 4000 seat theatre to a 1200 folding chair side room in a convention center. The Toronto Pro (sometimes called Niagara Falls Pro) was well established but is now gone. The European Grand Prix is gone. San Jose/San Francisco/Sacramento Pro is gone.
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This just in.... the NFL has cancelled all week 7 and week 15 games for the 2008 season.
Bye Japan Pro and the Keystone Pro!
Don't forget the Shawn RayTM Colorado Pro! :D
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Don't forget the Shawn RayTM Colorado Pro! :D
I can't beleive there isn't going to be any more Colorado Pro shows. To save this "sport" we need to look to Lee Thompson fpr answers.
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LOL! :D
It always goes back to Musclephone.
MusclePhone is the I Ching of the bodybuilding world!
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said, "Let there be MusclePhone," and God saw that it was good."
-Genesis 1
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I received this info pre-Musclephone last year when Isaac told me there were fewer than 20 people in attendance.
... and 18 of them had schmoe press passes.
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This just in.... the NFL has cancelled all week 7 and week 15 games for the 2008 season.
Bye Japan Pro and the Keystone Pro!
There seems to be no criteria for promoting a show. Whoever thinks they can do it only needs to pony up a little cash and go for it. The IFBB "pro league" needs to start running it's own shows.
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the promoters are required by ifbb rules to pony up $50k sanction fee, 6 months before the show, correct?
I wonder if they have $150k sitting in a bank somewhere from the promoters of the shows who cancelled late.
Or, is this rule not enforced for certain promoters?
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At last years colarado show when the cameras showed the audience seats the place was empty
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the promoters are required by ifbb rules to pony up $50k sanction fee, 6 months before the show, correct?
I wonder if they have $150k sitting in a bank somewhere from the promoters of the shows who cancelled late.
Or, is this rule not enforced for certain promoters?
Are you saying that the IFBB arbitrairily picks and chooses which of its rules to enforce?
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Are you saying that the IFBB arbitrairily picks and chooses which of its rules to enforce?
No, I'm asking if that is the case. Does anyone know? Bob, it was you who brought the 180-day pre-pay of the $50k number up, about 2 years back. Is this rule still in effect, and are there any exceptions made, and if so, why?
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MusclePhone is the I Ching of the bodybuilding world!
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said, "Let there be MusclePhone," and God saw that it was good."
-Genesis 1
LOL
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the promoters are required by ifbb rules to pony up $50k sanction fee, 6 months before the show, correct?
I wonder if they have $150k sitting in a bank somewhere from the promoters of the shows who cancelled late.
Or, is this rule not enforced for certain promoters?
No, that's not correct. Not sure where you came up with the $50K figure....no pro shows have a sanction fee of $50K.
THe show shoeld never have been put on the schedule to begin with....
The rules state that the sanction fee be paid and the prize money be put into escrow before the show takes place...not sure of the time frame, but I'm sure it's not 6 months....
That said, no contracts have been signed to do the show from athletes, only in the event the show was canceled from the 6 week point in to the show, would the athletes that contracted to do the show, be eligable for any compensation from the sanction fee paid.
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If anything they should do more beach shows in the summer. Have them somewhere indoors and small for prejudiging and then have them outside just after dark for the finals.
This is actually a really good idea.
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No, that's not correct. Not sure where you came up with the $50K figure....no pro shows have a sanction fee of $50K.
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The rules state that the sanction fee be paid and the prize money be put into escrow before the show takes place...not sure of the time frame, but I'm sure it's not 6 months....
OK, what is the sanction fee?
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Even NY and LA struggle to fill seats relying on the local fan base. Why even rent auditoriums for the smaller shows.
perhaps if they advertised locally...
while I did see some ads for the LA Fitness Expo, it was not obvious that there was a pro bodybuilding contest part of it. couldn't miss the MMA promotion though.
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Bob another IFBB Classic if they the promoter cancel 6weeks out the signed competitors get it.WOW let me guess any show that is cancelled from now on will be on the 7th week out.Fukin JOKE as is the Drug Rule. ::)
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Who was promoting the Keystone Pro?
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the MD camp is saying the Sean Ray's 202 and under is about to be cancelled. VYO-SUCK is finished and so is sean gay.
the deadline for the show contract has long passed...bob why are you allowing your boy sean to slide by and not release the competitor list?
bye bye 202 and under ny show
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Dude, Vyotech isnt doing that bad. As a distributor, we have moved more Vyotech products in the first 3 months of this year than in the last 6 months of last year. Not bad at all. Do I need to send you some Goat Whey, Absolution or Viraloid. Might calm you down a little. Remember, Goat Whey doesnt make you fart...
Pro shows cost quite a number to have. Sanction fees, prize money, officials, hotel rooms, insurance, staging, lighting, promotion and much more. You need sponsors, a good fan base around the area, and so on. The promoters have promoted NPC shows for a long time in that area, but the cost of the IFBB show probably was too much in terms of how many tickets were sold.
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Ron - are you saying the putting on pro shows is not worthwhile?
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Pro shows cost quite a number to have. Sanction fees, prize money, officials, hotel rooms, insurance, staging, lighting, promotion and much more. You need sponsors, a good fan base around the area, and so on. The promoters have promoted NPC shows for a long time in that area, but the cost of the IFBB show probably was too much in terms of how many tickets were sold.
the sanction fee is a completely arbitrary amount. perhaps if the IFBB lowered the sanction fee, the contests would be more viable, there would be more contests, and the IFBB would make more money.
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bodybuilding 2008 :'(
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Unfortunately all it'd take is a strong marketing firm and little effort from the athletes and then it'd be a completely different story
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the sanction fee is a completely arbitrary amount. perhaps if the IFBB lowered the sanction fee, the contests would be more viable, there would be more contests, and the IFBB would make more money.
I don't want them to lower the sanction fee...I want them to lose it all together and start putting on the shows themelves. Every sporting event put's on their own events, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.....BB should be no different. IFBB put's on the show, hires a promoter to promote and is in control of their own marketing, etc...
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I don't want them to lower the sanction fee...I want them to lose it all together and start putting on the shows themelves. Every sporting event put's on their own events, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.....BB should be no different. IFBB put's on the show, hires a promoter to promote and is in control of their own marketing, etc...
Why would they do that? Right now it's all upside for them: they make their fee whether the show makes money or not, while assuming none of the risk.
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I don't want them to lower the sanction fee...I want them to lose it all together and start putting on the shows themelves. Every sporting event put's on their own events, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.....BB should be no different. IFBB put's on the show, hires a promoter to promote and is in control of their own marketing, etc...
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Good idea Chick. IFBB would be solely responsible for the show and the "athletes" involved.
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I don't want them to lower the sanction fee...I want them to lose it all together and start putting on the shows themelves. Every sporting event put's on their own events, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.....BB should be no different. IFBB put's on the show, hires a promoter to promote and is in control of their own marketing, etc...
..But aren't "promoters" much like "NHL/NBA" "franchises"?
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..But aren't "promoters" much like "NHL/NBA" "franchises"?
No....they're more like "managers" of different teams under the umbrella of the organization (NBA)
Even franchise owners are under certain rules and regulations...promoters can do what they want....when they're good, it's good for all...when they suck...it sucks for all, including the federation.
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Pro shows cost quite a number to have. Sanction fees, prize money, officials, hotel rooms, insurance, staging, lighting, promotion and much more. You need sponsors, a good fan base around the area, and so on. The promoters have promoted NPC shows for a long time in that area, but the cost of the IFBB show probably was too much in terms of how many tickets were sold.
You just answered your own question. Promoting NPC shows is easy because every competitor brings 5-20 friends, family, or gymrats to the show. The problem with promoting a smaller Pro show is that with the exception of the big names, competitors are unlikely to draw any fans at all. Combine that with zero marketing and you have a tiny audience.
The only shows that do any real marketing are the Ironman, Arnold, Aussie Pro and the Olympia.
Wayne Demilia used to advertise the Night of Champions in the Village Voice and other newspapers, there would be ads in Flex and Muscle & Fitness, and posters in every gym in New York City. That's how he filled the Beacon up year after year.
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that text message woke me up this morning ...... not nice.... :-\
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that text message woke me up this morning ...... not nice.... :-\
Do you need a hug?
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that text message woke me up this morning ...... not nice.... :-\
It's very important for Musclephone to send out such an important message as early as possible in their effort to make sure that not a single person unnecessarily books non-refundable Memorial Weekend airfare to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
Just imagine the mass confusion and commuter hysteria had the news broken 20 minutes later on Getbig.com.
Thanks, Musclephone!
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come mon, bethlehem pennsylvania for a show? jesus, get real. diesel is like 4 dollars a gallon around there.
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It's very important for Musclephone to send out such an important message as early as possible in their effort to make sure that not a single person unnecessarily books non-refundable Memorial Weekend airfare to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
Just imagine the mass confusion and commuter hysteria had the news broken 20 minutes later on Getbig.com.
Thanks, Musclephone!
memorial day has been moved to the end of june?
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memorial day has been moved to the end of june?
Is that really a question or did you actually miss the Musclephone ALERT letting us know that in fact, Memorial Day HAS been moved to the last weekend in June?
Thanks, Musclephone!
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Is that really a question or did you actually miss the Musclephone ALERT letting us know that in fact, Memorial Day HAS been moved to the last weekend in June?
Thanks, Musclephone!
I don't use musclephone, I got rid of it after I plugged it in to charge it and it blew the sockets out of my house. Now I wait for you schmucks to post the news on Getbig.
Fuck you Musclephone!!! >:(
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No, that's not correct. Not sure where you came up with the $50K figure....no pro shows have a sanction fee of $50K.
Sorry, it's not $50k. What is the number?
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No, that's not correct. Not sure where you came up with the $50K figure....no pro shows have a sanction fee of $50K.
THe show shoeld never have been put on the schedule to begin with....
The rules state that the sanction fee be paid and the prize money be put into escrow before the show takes place...not sure of the time frame, but I'm sure it's not 6 months....
That said, no contracts have been signed to do the show from athletes, only in the event the show was canceled from the 6 week point in to the show, would the athletes that contracted to do the show, be eligable for any compensation from the sanction fee paid.
Well you must mean no show except the Olympia. It is way more than that. Well lets say when Wayne was paying for it the sanction fee was way more. Also, I would think the Arnold would be more than but maybe not.
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Who was promoting the Keystone Pro?
Craig & Chris johnson
http://npcnewsonline.com/new/PDFfiles/JanFeb08_IFBBcontentList.pdf
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I don't want them to lower the sanction fee...I want them to lose it all together and start putting on the shows themelves. Every sporting event put's on their own events, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.....BB should be no different. IFBB put's on the show, hires a promoter to promote and is in control of their own marketing, etc...
Actually that would be great but won't happen. The IFBB has no idea how to run a show. they need the promoters and the sanction fee. A promoter would love it too since they wouldn't have any money to put out and could collect at least $10,000 to promote the show. But the IFBB would never want that responsibility. The IFBB has it perfect the way it is. The find suckers promoters to pay for everything to put on the show AND they pay the IFBB a ton of money to put on a show promoting the IFBB. NO WAY will the IFBB change that deal.
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I don't want them to lower the sanction fee...I want them to lose it all together and start putting on the shows themelves. Every sporting event put's on their own events, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.....BB should be no different. IFBB put's on the show, hires a promoter to promote and is in control of their own marketing, etc...
Agreed, but professional promoters would have problems getting bums on seats due to so many bullshit results of late. It's been said time and time again for years, BUT Bodybuilding really does need a shake up. It needs to be run by people who love the sport NOT greedy business men. It's just become a freak show with no personalities in, coz they all get banned for speaking their mind.... Look at the supposed No 1 in the world, a puppet who can't even get his basics (tan and diet) right !!!!!!
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Bodybuilding won't recover.
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Dude, Vyotech isnt doing that bad. As a distributor, we have moved more Vyotech products in the first 3 months of this year than in the last 6 months of last year. Not bad at all. Do I need to send you some Goat Whey, Absolution or Viraloid. Might calm you down a little. Remember, Goat Whey doesnt make you fart...
Pro shows cost quite a number to have. Sanction fees, prize money, officials, hotel rooms, insurance, staging, lighting, promotion and much more. You need sponsors, a good fan base around the area, and so on. The promoters have promoted NPC shows for a long time in that area, but the cost of the IFBB show probably was too much in terms of how many tickets were sold.
Ron, can u send me some goat whey :)
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how to get more fans into the seats: have bigger names in the contest
how to have bigger names in the contest: only give the overall winner a bid to the Olympia. require everyone to requalify every year.
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how to get more fans into the seats: have bigger names in the contest
how to have bigger names in the contest: only give the overall winner a bid to the Olympia. require everyone to requalify every year.
how to get more fans into the seats: MAKE IT ENTERTAINING instead of cutting off the only somewhat entertainer (Kai Greene) when he hits the time limit.
How to have bigger names: $$, benefits, and so forth
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there.s tons of stuff these guys did wrong, for one thing no advertising in the area it is put on with a lame amateur show in a venue not condusive to bbing. competetion. you put on a show in a 4000 seat arena and 200 people show{generous estimate}. it's pretty lame. no one had a good view of the show because this is venue is set up for concerts, i'm sure no one was going to rush the stage sure maybe one or two flamers.as far as the entrants themselves there was 40k in prize money first got 20k down to 5th 1k, the 12 or so other guys ended up with nothing for their efforts. go on these guys website they've been on the computer for 5 or more years yet they are still under constuction,by the way there a supplement co. topphysique.com.
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how to get more fans into the seats: MAKE IT ENTERTAINING instead of cutting off the only somewhat entertainer (Kai Greene) when he hits the time limit.
How to have bigger names: $$, benefits, and so forth
how to get more fans in the seats; have Arnold be the emcee at every show. Have him sign an autograph and take a picture with every person who buys a seat. Do a commercial with Arnold promoting the show and that he will be there. I promise you the seats will be filled.
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and failing to get arnold bring in the lou ferrigno circus. that'll pack em in.
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cancelling 3 shows in a year... oh brother... what hacks...
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how to get more fans in the seats; have Arnold be the emcee at every show. Have him sign an autograph and take a picture with every person who buys a seat. Do a commercial with Arnold promoting the show and that he will be there. I promise you the seats will be filled.
Politically, Arnold can't do that. He can barely bring himself to appear at his namesake show.
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Ron - are you saying the putting on pro shows is not worthwhile?
Pro shows can be very worthwhile, but they need to be promoted correctly, with sponsors, expo, etc. Smaller shows have a harder time, because of a myriad of reasons. But a good lineup does help. The big shows, Ironman, Arnold, Olympia, New York Pro have the base to do that with a lot of fans around them. The smaller shows have a smaller fan base to get.
Promoting NPC shows is easy because every competitor brings 5-20 friends, family, or gymrats to the show. The problem with promoting a smaller Pro show is that with the exception of the big names, competitors are unlikely to draw any fans at all.
NPC shows require a lot of hard work too. Promoting, getting competitors and more. But yes, they tend to bring more family and friends. Many people at these shows are there to see the hard work, dedication and inspiration someone brings.
Ron, can u send me some goat whey
Well. beleive it or not, I am out of one flavor of Goat Whey at the moment, and am expecting more next week. Like I said, it is moving.
how to get more fans into the seats: MAKE IT ENTERTAINING instead of cutting off the only somewhat entertainer (Kai Greene) when he hits the time limit.
The entertainment factor is the question between the bodybuilding purists vs the ones that want more entertainment in the show. I say have both. Prejudging is serious, the finals should be entertaining.
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The entertainment factor is the question between the bodybuilding purists vs the ones that want more entertainment in the show. I say have both. Prejudging is serious, the finals should be entertaining.
Eliminate prejudging. It has no value.
Might as well have a pre-event social gathering and judge how each competitor works the room.
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why did the promoters of the Keystone not promote their own show?
Hell, if you want to attract an audience you need to market your product....didnt they even think of this? ???
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why did the promoters of the Keystone not promote their own show?
Hell, if you want to attract an audience you need to market your product....didnt they even think of this? ???
all the pro bodybuilding promoters seem to concentrate on advertising nationally in the bodybuilding mags. they think people are going to fly in from across the US to see a second or third tier show. but the demographics of who buys the mags and who can afford a weekend get-away don't correlate well. then the promoters spend little on local advertising, or they advertise in the wrong places.
back in Feb I saw a few ads for the LA Fitness Expo, but in none of the ads was it apparent that a pro bodybuilding show was part of it. But it was clear that there were going to be MMA demos.
I still think the most cost effective advertising for a bodybuilding show is to stand in front of the serious gyms handing out 4x5 cards.
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Sounds silly, but I really think having more bikini type competitions to go along with the show will help out. Usually a guy will be into bodybuilding and want to go to a show but how does he convince his buddies who don't work out to go see men in thongs? You will always have your gay fan base but seriously there usually not enough gay people in a concetrated area to make a contest worthwhile. Only way to increase attendance is to increase the hetero audience and the female audience. Guess what happens when you tell your girl you are going to a bodybuilding show but they also have a bikini contest? No way she lets you go alone, so she brings her friends, and they "pretend" to be attracted to the bodybuilders.
Win win situation.