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(if you reply to this in the g&o, id like it if you didnt post my username)
what do you think about "receptor downgrade"...the idea that aas become innefective after prolonged use, and that you have GOT to come off for at least a short period every once in a while o continue gaining...? do you believe this...or is the bst idea for someone looking to get BIG (markus ruhl big, not bob paris big) to just stay ON year round? and if so, what do you recommend... exactly...for year round usage.
could you out line a good cycle..whether or not you feel coming off is necessary, include that too.
thanks bro! and good lcuk whenever the next time you compete is. i know youll be 'SHREDDED' :D U crazy ass pimp
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you need the genetic response first and the base which should be there before you go on high dose thats a first,,
now,,i believe in changing compounds every 8 weeks ,,sometimes more some times less depending on goals,,i also believe that an off time should only be limited to orals like dianabol and can be 30 days just so you can clean up and blow up again ,,the down regulation and all that is good for science books but there is a thing such as satutation of the muscle and the system especially liver,,the body want to balance it and get to maintain the new weight ,,thats when you need to take some time off from orals but time off is very short as in 30-45 days with top level and even with every day amatuers
i cant outline a cycle because cycle is individual to the bodybuilder,,his goals,,his lean muscle mass,,his level ,,etc etc
an amatuer bodybuilder with dedication and good base will be able to do nationals after few years on
human grade test
human grade nandrolone
human grade dianabol
duretics
cstimulants
most guys you see on internet on the boards use underground garbage that usually has nothing in it or very low dose and that is why their physiqe looks like that
when you take real pharmacutical hormones you will be one big muscular bodybuilder,,EVEN IF YOU DONT PAY ATTENTION TO DIET! you will look like a very strong and big muscular football player,,period
the WHOLE SECRET BEHIND BODYBUILDING IS THE CONSISTANCY AND DEDICATION TO TRAINING,,EATING,,AND THE USE OF HORMONES WHICH IS A VERY BIG PART OF THE EQUATION
no hormones,,no consistancy in the use of hormones = NEVER PLACE FIRST,,NEVER STEP ON STAGE,,NEVER WIN A NATIONAL QUALIFIER,,NEVER WIN A PRO CARD,,
natural is 5'9 175,,,natural is 6'1 205...thats where natural exist and forget about it being anything remotely close to 4-6%
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it would appear the natural bodybuilder travels a long, daunting road, teetering between the abysses of denial and discouragement
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thanks for answering that question gh15
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thanks for answering that question gh15
hello anonymous person asking questions to gh15 ::)
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whatever benz
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it would appear the natural bodybuilder travels a long, daunting road, teetering between the abysses of denial and discouragement
Didn't that dude with the unibrow who just released his BBuilding.com interview just blow it wide open(not that it wasn't already known by anyone who knows anything but for the lapers, its blown wide open)
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[quote author=
gh15-
(if you reply to this in the g&o, id like it if you didnt post my username)
what do you think about "receptor downgrade"...the idea that aas become innefective after prolonged use, and that you have GOT to come off for at least a short period every once in a while o continue gaining...? do you believe this...or is the bst idea for someone looking to get BIG (markus ruhl big, not bob paris big) to just stay ON year round? and if so, what do you recommend... exactly...for year round usage.
could you out line a good cycle..whether or not you feel coming off is necessary, include that too.
thanks bro! and good lcuk whenever the next time you compete is. i know youll be 'SHREDDED' :D U crazy ass pimp
you need the genetic response first and the base which should be there before you go on high dose thats a first,,
now,,i believe in changing compounds every 8 weeks ,,sometimes more some times less depending on goals,,i also believe that an off time should only be limited to orals like dianabol and can be 30 days just so you can clean up and blow up again ,,the down regulation and all that is good for science books but there is a thing such as satutation of the muscle and the system especially liver,,the body want to balance it and get to maintain the new weight ,,thats when you need to take some time off from orals but time off is very short as in 30-45 days with top level and even with every day amatuers
i cant outline a cycle because cycle is individual to the bodybuilder,,his goals,,his lean muscle mass,,his level ,,etc etc
an amatuer bodybuilder with dedication and good base will be able to do nationals after few years on
human grade test
human grade nandrolone
human grade dianabol
duretics
cstimulants
most guys you see on internet on the boards use underground garbage that usually has nothing in it or very low dose and that is why their physiqe looks like that
when you take real pharmacutical hormones you will be one big muscular bodybuilder,,EVEN IF YOU DONT PAY ATTENTION TO DIET! you will look like a very strong and big muscular football player,,period
the WHOLE SECRET BEHIND BODYBUILDING IS THE CONSISTANCY AND DEDICATION TO TRAINING,,EATING,,AND THE USE OF HORMONES WHICH IS A VERY BIG PART OF THE EQUATION
no hormones,,no consistancy in the use of hormones = NEVER PLACE FIRST,,NEVER STEP ON STAGE,,NEVER WIN A NATIONAL QUALIFIER,,NEVER WIN A PRO CARD,,
natural is 5'9 175,,,natural is 6'1 205...thats where natural exist and forget about it being anything remotely close to 4-6%
When taking a "break" for a month or so don't you have to be at least on some HRT doses? I mean, isn't a competitive bodybuilding or even the long term juicing gym rat pretty much shut down? Wouldn't it take at least a month or more for your body to resume it's natural test production if under 35 years? And if your over 35 wouldn't it be a loss cause and you might as well look at 200mg test cyp/enanthate a week for life. Also, isn't it the orals that you should cut out during your "down" time? You said that "off" time should be limited to orals like dianabol. But I'm assuming your "on" already includes orals. Isn't it the long term use of orals more damaging to your body than injects?
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the reason you see guys like melvin shrink into neverland peterpan size is because they go off completely for a month or 2 when feel like it,,thats when you lose size and wear usually big shirts,,in general the professional wont go off ,,only orals will be off to give the liver a break and the liver is a wonderful thing that easily recover and recuperate after 30 days ,,infact many can go forever on orals but the effect becomes smaller and smaller because it has to be broken by the stomack and liver first stage and those 2 tend to give bodybuilders problems ...especially stomack since many bodybuilders pop in the pills and dont know how to treat their stomack right thus lots of diareeah and lots of luke wood episodes ,,the liver is a very sophisticated organ and unless you got sever problem of the liver before hand before you start hormones or you got caner going on in the family in concerning rate...you should be ok
100% of bodybuilders are shut down,,recovery from that takes time,,everyone recovers usually but it takes time,,it got to a point that hen a guy inject 2 amps a week they consider themselves clean ,,always remember you never know whats going on behind closed doors,,the worst abusers ,,the worst users ,,the bravest and most risk taking users are guys like leepriest etc that claim for little no no doses,,
in reality if all was on plain level field and every one had protien powder and real food and what god gave him ,,,you would most likely see that waddy fella as one of the best fitness model in usa,,you would see guys like stavious actually winning big shows from the start,,and you would see that jamaican guy from england god knows what is name from this board that would stand next to heath on stage and most likley win ,,,drugs is a very big part of bodybuilding friend ,,,very very big part
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the reason you see guys like melvin shrink into neverland peterpan size is because they go off completely for a month or 2 when feel like it,,thats when you lose size and wear usually big shirts,,in general the professional wont go off ,,only orals will be off to give the liver a break and the liver is a wonderful thing that easily recover and recuperate after 30 days ,,infact many can go forever on orals but the effect becomes smaller and smaller because it has to be broken by the stomack and liver first stage and those 2 tend to give bodybuilders problems ...especially stomack since many bodybuilders pop in the pills and dont know how to treat their stomack right thus lots of diareeah and lots of luke wood episodes ,,the liver is a very sophisticated organ and unless you got sever problem of the liver before hand before you start hormones or you got caner going on in the family in concerning rate...you should be ok
100% of bodybuilders are shut down,,recovery from that takes time,,everyone recovers usually but it takes time,,it got to a point that hen a guy inject 2 amps a week they consider themselves clean ,,always remember you never know whats going on behind closed doors,,the worst abusers ,,the worst users ,,the bravest and most risk taking users are guys like leepriest etc that claim for little no no doses,,
in reality if all was on plain level field and every one had protien powder and real food and what god gave him ,,,you would most likely see that waddy fella as one of the best fitness model in usa,,you would see guys like stavious actually winning big shows from the start,,and you would see that jamaican guy from england god knows what is name from this board that would stand next to heath on stage and most likley win ,,,drugs is a very big part of bodybuilding friend ,,,very very big part
tom prince said drugs only add 10 %
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tom prince said drugs only add 10 %
A "finishing touch" I beleive is what he said.
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Kamali says he could be a freak if he started using drugs.
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tom prince said drugs only add 10 %
I thought he said drugs are only 5% of what it takes to be a pro.
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I thought he said drugs are only 5% of what it takes to be a pro.
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http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=346423 (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=346423)
TP:
I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.
And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.
Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all. If you are one of those people that walks around saying "he's just big because he's on tons of shit!", then you will NEVER make it. NEVER!!
Steroids, GH, gear.. is the ultimate weak minded pussies excuse. Because, if it's GEAR, they never have to admit they aren't good enough. These people come up with an abstract excuse that no one can exacty pin point (how much, exactly is "tons of shit"?), and that way they don't have to admit they just ain't got it.
Notice the only thing you never hear someone say is: "I'm just not good enough?"
:D ;D
Must have forgot the nubiane oxy ADVIL secret. :o :)
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human grade dianabol
no such a thing dummy.
if so name a brand that is actually widely available to lifters.
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the liver is a wonderful thing that easily recover and recuperate after 30 days ,,infact many can go forever on orals but the effect becomes smaller and smaller because it has to be broken by the stomack and liver first stage and those 2 tend to give bodybuilders problems ...especially stomack since many bodybuilders pop in the pills and dont know how to treat their stomack right thus lots of diareeah and lots of luke wood episodes ,,the liver is a very sophisticated organ and unless you got sever problem of the liver before hand before you start hormones or you got caner going on in the family in concerning rate...you should be ok
are you really that stupid as the above post is or are you trying to act dumb.
Cause it's working .
real well fool.
Deca Tren and a few other injects stress the living shit out of the liver as well-especially the high levels of "preservatives-bacteriostatic" agents used in gear
Benzyl alcohol and benzoate are very toxic to the liver in the amounts bb'ers take even in human grade depot testosterone the benzyl benzoate is at 20% fine for someone taking 100 mg a week but when dumb apes take 2 grams a week it fks the liver hard.
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no such a thing dummy.
if so name a brand that is actually widely available to lifters.
naposim terapia
anabol british dispenary
you wont find russian any more only methyl but some like it
the main 2 and the only 2 i recomend are naposim and anabol by british disp,,,those 2 are 20-30 lb within first 4 weeks gh15 approved,,again must be legit because ip like to do the pentagons ,,
no i do not approve danabol as of now days no need to ask
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naposim terapia
anabol british dispenary
you wont find russian any more only methyl but some like it
the main 2 and the only 2 i recomend are naposim and anabol by british disp,,,those 2 are 20-30 lb within first 4 weeks gh15 approved,,again must be legit because ip like to do the pentagons ,,
no i do not approve danabol as of now days no need to ask
gh15, if i have a choice of either naposim or anabol, and they are equal price, which one do you think is better; or are they the same?
and do you like 10mg or 5mg tablets?
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anabol by brtish dispensary is the best tablet i have ever taken in my whole history of bodybuilding ,,its equivelent to the old russian
i only recomend the lowest dose on any drug ,,im in the belief that lower dose tablets are better absorbed and unilized individually by the system,,
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anabol by brtish dispensary is the best tablet i have ever taken in my whole history of bodybuilding ,,its equivelent to the old russian
i only recomend the lowest dose on any drug ,,im in the belief that lower dose tablets are better absorbed and unilized individually by the system,,
you said you dont approve danabol... so you think ALL balkan products are no good then ? or just not on the same level as say organon or norma hellas ??
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I challenge gh15 and all pros to demonstrate they comprehend the research in exercise science. I have seen no evidence, except for Milos and perhaps Nasser, that any could comprehend that research no matter how hard they tried. Being intelligent is not enough because you need to have a background in science to read that stuff.
I doubt gh15 knows anything at all about receptors and such. Well, he might have read stuff in the magazines from hacks who don't comprehend the literature. Clearly, this is the blind leading the blind.
Hope this helps.
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I challenge gh15 and all pros to demonstrate they comprehend the research in exercise science. I have seen no evidence, except for Milos and perhaps Nasser, that any could comprehend that research no matter how hard they tried. Being intelligent is not enough because you need to have a background in science to read that stuff.
I doubt gh15 knows anything at all about receptors and such. Well, he might have read stuff in the magazines from hacks who don't comprehend the literature. Clearly, this is the blind leading the blind.
Hope this helps.
how about you go continue arguing with bobbie about how good of a bodybuilder you are and how he is nothing and cant achieve anything ...why not doing this since many times i wanted to tell you what i thought about your blubs but shut up and let you talk your crap...
you sitting there in that thread insulting bob right and left about how he cant do shit while in reality it is you who couldnt do shit with the drugs! you sit there talking down to a bodybuilder who got to a pro card from nothing through lots of dedication and hard work and many trys and you have the nerve to talk down to him when you couldnt achieve even 1/10 of that ...
thjat thread right there showed me your real face,,so i dont even need to answer this post of yours seriously
insulting one of the most dedicated and determined bodybuilders of the late 90s,,youre truly out of your mind,,go read science book
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Bob's own words humiliate him. I merely point out the obvious. He has achieved very little re bodybuilding titles.
Now, the point was what are your qualifications regarding exercise science? Do you hold a degree in science? I doubt it. Anyone who believes crap about extraterrestrials is not what I call informed, educated or enlightened. You are expert in nothing at all. Don't come here crapping on about receptors when you don't have the vocabulary to do so.
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yuo wont get me to reveal who i am so i wont answer directly your question but i can assure you that if you used what i said on your own physiqe back in the day you very well might not be so frasrated about your average physiqe,,then again i respect your age and ill leave it at that,,at the beggining when van joked about you every post you made i used to think you were not that bad ....but the more i read you the more i think that this van fella is a genious
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"Receptor Downgrade"?
Ok, admittedly I've haven't heard about this so I did a quick yahoo search and the first two pages came up bodybuilding and suppliment sites with the words "Receptor Downgrade" I even did a quick JAMA and Medscape search and nothing. Suppliment lingo bullshit?
If someone can find this on a reputable research site and link it, that would be great.
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"Receptor Downgrade"?
Ok, admittedly I've haven't heard about this so I did a quick yahoo search and the first two pages came up bodybuilding and suppliment sites with the words "Receptor Downgrade" I even did a quick JAMA and Medscape search and nothing. Suppliment lingo bullshit?
If someone can find this on a reputable research site and link it, that would be great.
'androgen receptor'
you know what that is, right?
if testosterone was insulin and androgen receptors were muscle cells the receptopr downgrade would be like insulin resistance
get it now?
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'androgen receptor'
you know what that is, right?
if testosterone was insulin and androgen receptors were muscle cells the receptopr downgrade would be like insulin resistance
get it now?
That wasn't my question..........the specific words were "Receptor Downgrade" I punch it in and nothing remotely comes up.
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That wasn't my question..........the specific words were "Receptor Downgrade" I punch it in and nothing remotely comes up.
that WAS your question ..what, are you afraid of being percieved as someone who learned something from 'candidizzzle' ??
hahaha
;D
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"Receptor Downgrade" the second most misused misunderstood concept in bodybuilding...first place goes to the term "Over Training."
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that WAS your question ..what, are you afraid of being percieved as someone who learned something from 'candidizzzle' ??
hahaha
;D
From a friend of mines site who I work with frequently
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/hormones/androgen.htm
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From a friend of mines site who I work with frequently
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/hormones/androgen.htm
just skimmed through it. what was your point? you dont think i understand what androgens and androgen receptors are?
AJ, what are your thoughts on the subject? to what extent do you think downgrade exists and occurs?
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naposim terapia
anabol british dispenary
you wont find russian any more only methyl but some like it
the main 2 and the only 2 i recomend are naposim and anabol by british disp,,,those 2 are 20-30 lb within first 4 weeks gh15 approved,,again must be legit because ip like to do the pentagons ,,
no i do not approve danabol as of now days no need to ask
What about the use of DBol on training days only as recommended by some.
Th eBeef
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AJ, what are your thoughts on the subject? to what extent do you think downgrade exists and occurs?
I've been fairly blunt on the subject many times on here before and I believe it is one of the biggest excuses people make in regards to their lack of growth and success as a bodybuilder.
Like GH15 said, so many guys out there use UG garbage and this is a large part of what leads to the myth of receptors being downgraded, flooded, etc. Here's why.
Any guy who buys hormones from a UG supplier, assuming it is real...most of the time it is real...however, most of the time it's severally underdosed and more often then that every bottle, every vile and amp is underdosed test. It may say deca, tren, etc but in actuality is is underdosed test. So the guy does the cycle, he grows...anyone will grow off a small minute amount of hormones the first time...a lot no, but it happens. But if you want to be big, really big, make continued gains the crap has to be real. For many guys when the initial growth stops they immediately say something about receptors...why not, it sounds good right? The truth of the matter, their gear was junk...that's all the problem there is.
Part of the problem with most guys understanding this is they view their receptors like a bank. For example, the drugs go in, they pile up in the receptors and sit there until the job is done...eventually the receptor runs out of room. This is a rough example but all I can think of at the moment. Obviously this is ridiculous, it's no differant then saying that every time you drink a whey protein shake the whey's amino's mound up inside the muscle bellies until their is no room left and that you need to stop taking in protein until they can refresh...this makes no sense so why would the other?
Again, I realize this is a very rough example, and there are a lot of "technical" things that could be added in to give it sound backing. However, when it comes to that sort of thing, sometimes simple ways of explaining do a better job.
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Hardly a scientific way to approach using hormones. What makes you know what anyone was taking and how pure those substances were? Seems to me there is way too much speculating and hardly any real knowledge here. This is exactly what I expected. The blind are leading and advising the ignorant.
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Dr Bernardi is not an expert in receptor research. He merely interprets some research for his clients which don't appear to be bodybuilders. The University of Western Ontario doesn't sound like a premier university for exercise science research. I doubt many on Getbig can comprehend the cited article.
Wonder why the young doctor abandoned his bodybuilding career? He claims a bench of 430 pounds in competition.
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Hardly a scientific way to approach using hormones. What makes you know what anyone was taking and how pure those substances were? Seems to me there is way too much speculating and hardly any real knowledge here. This is exactly what I expected. The blind are leading and advising the ignorant.
I was simply trying to be as "simple" as I could. Most people do not respond to understanding "actuality" they need to be spoon fed. Not because they are incapable of understanding, but rather it is the only way they'll take it.
As far as knowing how "pure the substances are" well, it's common and accepted knowledge that most UG gear is "UG" "Underdosed Garbage." Anyone who's used both "UG" & "HG" knows this to be true.
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Well, surely the test for drugs is a science lab and not how someone places in a contest. If the guy wins he must be on the right stuff? I am sorry, you might be right but that logic is lame.
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'androgen receptor'
you know what that is, right?
if testosterone was insulin and androgen receptors were muscle cells the receptopr downgrade would be like insulin resistance
get it now?
The term you idiots should be looking for is "Receptor Downregulation".
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Hardly a scientific way to approach using hormones. What makes you know what anyone was taking and how pure those substances were? Seems to me there is way too much speculating and hardly any real knowledge here. This is exactly what I expected. The blind are leading and advising the ignorant.
Do you not know that the mechanism of how many drugs work in modern medicine is not fully understood? Pick up a PDR and read it. Side effects are not known either which is why you often see drugs withdrawn after many years of use. If you are waiting for some type of definitive data on drugs you are going to be waiting a long time.
Bob's own words humiliate him. I merely point out the obvious. He has achieved very little re bodybuilding titles.
Now, the point was what are your qualifications regarding exercise science? Do you hold a degree in science? I doubt it. Anyone who believes crap about extraterrestrials is not what I call informed, educated or enlightened. You are expert in nothing at all. Don't come here crapping on about receptors when you don't have the vocabulary to do so.
Do YOU have a degree in exercise science? Has that stopped you from training and trying different protocols? Has it stopped you from having strong opinions on the subject?
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I don't know much about steroids but if Growth hormone is so good why waste money on test, dbol etc
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Wonder why the young doctor abandoned his bodybuilding career? He claims a bench of 430 pounds in competition.
Yes, as a matter of fact I do...........he was smart!
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"Receptor Downgrade" the second most misused misunderstood concept in bodybuilding...first place goes to the term "Over Training."
I had the proof that it isn't a myth last year
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Dr Bernardi is not an expert in receptor research. He merely interprets some research for his clients which don't appear to be bodybuilders. The University of Western Ontario doesn't sound like a premier university for exercise science research. I doubt many on Getbig can comprehend the cited article.
Wonder why the young doctor abandoned his bodybuilding career? He claims a bench of 430 pounds in competition.
In the pic you posted, the good doctor has bigger biceps than thighs. :o
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Do YOU have a degree in exercise science? Has that stopped you from training and trying different protocols? Has it stopped you from having strong opinions on the subject?
I've taken an exercise science course during my masters degree. However, I don't claim to be an exercise scientist. Not knowing about those drugs has definitely stopped me from using those extreme protocols. I haven't popped a pill since the mid 1970s.
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I had the proof that it isn't a myth last year
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there was a huge guy at my gym who has been juicing for 10 years +, he wasn't making any gains anymore.
he took a year off the juice, lost a shitload of weight, got back on with the same dosages and he ended up 20 pounds heavier than he ever was after only 3 months back on
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there was a huge #### at my gym who has been juicing for 10 years +, he wasn't making any gains anymore.
he took a year off the juice, lost a shitload of weight, got back on with the same dosages and he ended up 20 pounds heavier than he ever was after only 3 months back on
what if he would have dropped the ijectables, switched to orals, ran some hcg and some clomid for two weeks, then hopped back on the injectables...
;D ;D ;D ;D
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off cycle means OFF everything for us normal people ;D
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yeah...but, WHAT IF..?? lol :D
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there was a huge #### at my gym who has been juicing for 10 years +, he wasn't making any gains anymore.
he took a year off the juice, lost a shitload of weight, got back on with the same dosages and he ended up 20 pounds heavier than he ever was after only 3 months back on
That isn't exactly "proof"...
Too many factors come into play.
I know guys who have been on for over 5 years and they still make impressive gains every year.
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that's a proof for me if the guy didn't change anything in his lifestyle exept stopping the juice and starting again
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Question for GrowthHormone15
http://www.ghsales.com/ghsales2/humatrope_hgh.html (http://www.ghsales.com/ghsales2/humatrope_hgh.html)
HGH is 2000+ per box on that side, does this mean that the HGH people buy on the street for 500-700 $ is garbage
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that's a proof for me if the guy didn't change anything in his lifestyle exept stopping the juice and starting again
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So you know for a FACT that he changed NOTHING ELSE in his life at all?
Most people love to bullshit so i would take it with a grain of salt.
Good luck.
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So you know for a FACT that he changed NOTHING ELSE in his life at all?
Most people love to bullshit so i would take it with a grain of salt.
Good luck.
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Very true my man
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anabol by brtish dispensary is the best tablet i have ever taken in my whole history of bodybuilding ,,its equivelent to the old russian
i only recomend the lowest dose on any drug ,,im in the belief that lower dose tablets are better absorbed and unilized individually by the system,,
then you haven't tried metanabol...?
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That wasn't my question..........the specific words were "Receptor Downgrade" I punch it in and nothing remotely comes up.
I think he means "down-regulation" ;)
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Bob's own words humiliate him. I merely point out the obvious. He has achieved very little re bodybuilding titles.
Now, the point was what are your qualifications regarding exercise science? Do you hold a degree in science? I doubt it. Anyone who believes crap about extraterrestrials is not what I call informed, educated or enlightened. You are expert in nothing at all. Don't come here crapping on about receptors when you don't have the vocabulary to do so.
Who gives a fuck about these bullshit "qualifications" and "diplomas"?
gh15 has great experience, self educated through trials and errors......knows what works and what doesn't.
give me a break..... "exercise science"..... ::)
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Typical bodybuilding knucklehead. I bet you take supplements, too. Another big waste of money. The guys who sell that stuff must be laughing all the way to the bank. They can always count on ignorant people buying the hype.
Without science we wouldn't have TV, computers, etc. Why someone would trust underground crap and those who sell that shit is beyond me.
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Question for GrowthHormone15
http://www.ghsales.com/ghsales2/humatrope_hgh.html (http://www.ghsales.com/ghsales2/humatrope_hgh.html)
HGH is 2000+ per box on that side, does this mean that the HGH people buy on the street for 500-700 $ is garbage
no it means that aids pacients and diff type of junkies like to make 600$ profit ,,should be ok as long as you dont get it from palumbie :) ya ya he didnt know blub blub blub
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no it means that aids pacients and diff type of junkies like to make 600$ profit ,,should be ok as long as you dont get it from palumbie :) ya ya he didnt know blub blub blub
lol ;D
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no it means that aids pacients and diff type of junkies like to make 600$ profit ,,should be ok as long as you dont get it from palumbie :) ya ya he didnt know blub blub blub
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ok thanks !