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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Stark on May 07, 2008, 09:58:49 AM
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It's time to wake up to shake your head and pop that bubble over your head so you can come back to the reality most of your are so desperatly trying to avoid.
Quit pretending all is good in the word of BB or the word is conspirancing against us few Bodybuilders by highlighting the fact that Steroid abuse is rampand and is spreading faster and faster an even younger audience, THIS IS TRUE.
Let's leave the obvious health risks from taking Steroids aside for a change shall we? Reason for this is that...
a) We cannot prove undoubtedly that Steroids are unhealthy (even if we all know that ANY form or medication has it's complications and sideeffects but again and I have to admit there are no logterm studies that imply that an overuse of Steroids will undoubtilty lead to what ever healt issue)
b) I have absolute no beef with anybody who wants to mutilate and hurt himself, it's your body your life do what you want with it, wreck your health just to have a better shot at the pussy fuck it all up it's all good with me I'm in favour of selfmutilation so let's get serious.
However...
And this is the aspect I cannot shift my view for a single inch, it is prooven that in most countries (in Europe etc) these drugs are illegal, so anybody who is taking steroids that have not been subscibed by a Doctor (see Lee Priest ::) ) must therefor buy his drugs from an illegal source, i don't care if it is your best friend or the local gymrat, follow the rabbit trail and you sure find your usual suspect distributing and smuggling the drugs to the country you are buying it in.
Mexican Mafia
Russian Mafia
Asian Mafia
In general drug cartels or criminal organisations and the very same organisations the public and law enformentc trying so desperately to fight.
There is no denying in it folks, if you juice and you have not got your drugs from your doctor on a legal way... you might want to go over to your local scumbag drug baron and give him your support right there and than.
Because you guys support elements in this Society that are in any way and from but especially morally corrupted and wrong.
Hope that helps.
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shut it fag
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It's time to wake up to shake your head and pop that bubble over your head so you can come back to the reality most of your are so desperatly trying to avoid.
Quit pretending all is good in the word of BB or the word is conspirancing against us few Bodybuilders by highlighting the fact that Steroid abuse is rampand and is spreading faster and faster an even younger audience, THIS IS TRUE.
Let's leave the obvious health risks from taking Steroids aside for a change shall we? Reason for this is that...
a) We cannot prove undoubtedly that Steroids are unhealthy (even if we all know that ANY form or medication has it's complications and sideeffects but again and I have to admit there are no logterm studies that imply that an overuse of Steroids will undoubtilty lead to what ever healt issue)
b) I have absolute no beef with anybody who wants to mutilate and hurt himself, it's your body your life do what you want with it, wreck your health just to have a better shot at the pussy fuck it all up it's all good with me I'm in favour of selfmutilation so let's get serious.
However...
And this is the aspect I cannot shift my view for a single inch, it is prooven that in most countries (in Europe etc) these drugs are illegal, so anybody who is taking steroids that have not been subscibed by a Doctor (see Lee Priest ::) ) must therefor buy his drugs from an illegal source, i don't care if it is your best friend or the local gymrat, follow the rabbit trail and you sure find your usual suspect distributing and smuggling the drugs to the country you are buying it in.
Mexican Mafia
Russian Mafia
Asian Mafia
In general drug cartels or criminal organisations and the very same organisations the public and law enformentc trying so desperately to fight.
There is no denying in it folks, if you juice and you have not got your drugs from your doctor on a legal way... you might want to go over to your local scumbag drug baron and give him your support right there and than.
Because you guys support elements in this Society that are in any way and from but especially morally corrupted and wrong.
Hope that helps.
No way I'm going to read all that as you are a broken record, a boring one at that.
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No way I'm going to read all that as you are a broken record, a boring one at that.
he doesn't beleive that shit.......he reads a little thinks he's found something smart and sevetese's it
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Stark is a black belt in google-fu.
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you're all lemmings Steroids monkeys, it's even funnier with you guys since half of you couldn't even get in shape if your life
depended on it :D
So for what do you juice fellas? is there ANYONE of you that believe they have what it takes to be Nr1 in BB? Beacause if you don't there is absolutly no reason why you should take any medication what so ever.
Stark is a black belt in google-fu.
Go on make a search, if you find this anywhere else I will go on my knees and ask your for forgiveness (the spelling and grammer should have given you a hit dickmuncher ;) )
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you're all lemmings Steroids monkeys, it's even funnier with you guys since half of you couldn't even get in shape if your life
depended on it :D
So for what do you juice fellas? is there ANYONE of you that believe they have what it takes to be Nr1 in BB? Beacause if you don't there is absolutly no reason why you should take any medication what so ever.
Go on make a search, if you find this anywhere else I will go on my knees and ask your for forgiveness (the spelling and grammer should have given you a hit dickmuncher ;) )
I don't think you're going to convert anyone Stark :-\
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you're all lemmings Steroids monkeys, it's even funnier with you guys since half of you couldn't even get in shape if your life
depended on it :D
So for what do you juice fellas? is there ANYONE of you that believe they have what it takes to be Nr1 in BB? Beacause if you don't there is absolutly no reason why you should take any medication what so ever.
Go on make a search, if you find this anywhere else I will go on my knees and ask your for forgiveness (the spelling and grammer should have given you a hit dickmuncher ;) )
i'm drug free nit wit.......in better shape than you'll ever be........i just don't give a shit if anyone else uses aas.slin or gh.......it's their fuckin bodies let them do what they want
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whats wrong with juicing
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I don't think you're going to convert anyone Stark :-\
it's enough if i engage people in discussions, I'm not the save the world type but i bend to nobody and I form my own opinion.
Doesn't matter how unpopular my opinion is i still stand by what I believe.
It needs people like my self to get people to wake up and start discussion these things, we all love the sport but there are
way to many yes sayers amongst us.
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i'm drug free nit wit.......in better shape than you'll ever be........i just don't give a shit if anyone else uses aas.slin or gh.......it's their fuckin bodies let them do what they want
once more from the TOP
I don't give a shit what you do to your body... don't care one bit if you fuck yourself up (read my post) but I do care about the organized crime you guys are supporting by buying illegal shit from your local gym monkey.
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I make my own in my girlfriend's bath tub.
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you're all lemmings Steroids monkeys, it's even funnier with you guys since half of you couldn't even get in shape if your life
depended on it :D
So for what do you juice fellas? is there ANYONE of you that believe they have what it takes to be Nr1 in BB? Beacause if you don't there is absolutly no reason why you should take any medication what so ever.
Go on make a search, if you find this anywhere else I will go on my knees and ask your for forgiveness (the spelling and grammer should have given you a hit dickmuncher ;) )
Really? I did some stuff a few years ago. For a few weeks, didn't like it as it made me sick. But dude I don't bash others for it. who cares.
By the way before you make accusations on not getting into shape know your facts. Stark=Owned
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you're all lemmings Steroids monkeys, it's even funnier with you guys since half of you couldn't even get in shape if your life
depended on it :D
So for what do you juice fellas? is there ANYONE of you that believe they have what it takes to be Nr1 in BB? Beacause if you don't there is absolutly no reason why you should take any medication what so ever.
Go on make a search, if you find this anywhere else I will go on my knees and ask your for forgiveness (the spelling and grammer should have given you a hit dickmuncher ;) )
Do you prefer anarol or d-ball?
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There are so many adults that do coke on weekends or drop X in college for years. They grow up fine. I think steroids aren't that much different. People use for 2-5 years, have their moment, realize the health/legal risks aren't worth it, and grow up and have a family.
Sure you have the folks who are on the gas, dirt poor, hitting their 40s, but you also have people that use drugs for 4 decades too. Both never outgrow it.
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It's time to wake up to shake your head and pop that bubble over your head so you can come back to the reality most of your are so desperatly trying to avoid.
Quit pretending all is good in the word of BB or the word is conspirancing against us few Bodybuilders by highlighting the fact that Steroid abuse is rampand and is spreading faster and faster an even younger audience, THIS IS TRUE.
Let's leave the obvious health risks from taking Steroids aside for a change shall we? Reason for this is that...
a) We cannot prove undoubtedly that Steroids are unhealthy (even if we all know that ANY form or medication has it's complications and sideeffects but again and I have to admit there are no logterm studies that imply that an overuse of Steroids will undoubtilty lead to what ever healt issue)
b) I have absolute no beef with anybody who wants to mutilate and hurt himself, it's your body your life do what you want with it, wreck your health just to have a better shot at the pussy fuck it all up it's all good with me I'm in favour of selfmutilation so let's get serious.
However...
And this is the aspect I cannot shift my view for a single inch, it is prooven that in most countries (in Europe etc) these drugs are illegal, so anybody who is taking steroids that have not been subscibed by a Doctor (see Lee Priest ::) ) must therefor buy his drugs from an illegal source, i don't care if it is your best friend or the local gymrat, follow the rabbit trail and you sure find your usual suspect distributing and smuggling the drugs to the country you are buying it in.
Mexican Mafia
Russian Mafia
Asian Mafia
In general drug cartels or criminal organisations and the very same organisations the public and law enformentc trying so desperately to fight.
There is no denying in it folks, if you juice and you have not got your drugs from your doctor on a legal way... you might want to go over to your local scumbag drug baron and give him your support right there and than.
Because you guys support elements in this Society that are in any way and from but especially morally corrupted and wrong.
Hope that helps.
Hasn't you're soap box gotten enough attention i for one believe in free speech,but you are worse that church and state.We understand you're views and respect them UNTIL you decide to constantly ram it down peoples throats STOP STOP STOP we get it already you dont like juice fine thanks for the 300124524.23153 time.we all have a right to choose and we dont need you or anyone else to make up others minds......
THANKS IN ADVANCE...
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once more from the TOP
I don't give a shit what you do to your body... don't care one bit if you fuck yourself up (read my post) but I do care about the organized crime you guys are supporting by buying illegal shit from your local gym monkey.
who the fuck are you guys?.........i just said i'm fucking drug free always.......i don't support organized crime.......what about disorganized crime?........do you have a problem with that?
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starks organized crime theory is false. and without it he got shit.
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I make my own in my girlfriend's bath tub.
Sweet can you send some to Stark and I?
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it's enough if i engage people in discussions, I'm not the save the world type but i bend to nobody and I form my own opinion.
Doesn't matter how unpopular my opinion is i still stand by what I believe.
It needs people like my self to get people to wake up and start discussion these things, we all love the sport but there are
way to many yes sayers amongst us.
Stark you are just making a fool out of yourself, so give it up. Your message belongs in the grade 9 classroom and your intentions are good; I'll give you that, but man you're on getbig. How about this... lets go to the beer store and start telling everybody in the store how bad beer is for you.
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I think it's safe to say we can chalk up another useless, backfired thread for stark.
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starks organized crime theory is false. and without it he got shit.
i heard he stole some undies once, he just might be in the know
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Sweet can you send some to Stark and I?
sure. It's my own recipe. It will get you SWOLE.
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It's time to wake up to shake your head and pop that bubble over your head so you can come back to the reality most of your are so desperatly trying to avoid.
Quit pretending all is good in the word of BB or the word is conspirancing against us few Bodybuilders by highlighting the fact that Steroid abuse is rampand and is spreading faster and faster an even younger audience, THIS IS TRUE.
Let's leave the obvious health risks from taking Steroids aside for a change shall we? Reason for this is that...
a) We cannot prove undoubtedly that Steroids are unhealthy (even if we all know that ANY form or medication has it's complications and sideeffects but again and I have to admit there are no logterm studies that imply that an overuse of Steroids will undoubtilty lead to what ever healt issue)
b) I have absolute no beef with anybody who wants to mutilate and hurt himself, it's your body your life do what you want with it, wreck your health just to have a better shot at the pussy fuck it all up it's all good with me I'm in favour of selfmutilation so let's get serious.
However...
And this is the aspect I cannot shift my view for a single inch, it is prooven that in most countries (in Europe etc) these drugs are illegal, so anybody who is taking steroids that have not been subscibed by a Doctor (see Lee Priest ::) ) must therefor buy his drugs from an illegal source, i don't care if it is your best friend or the local gymrat, follow the rabbit trail and you sure find your usual suspect distributing and smuggling the drugs to the country you are buying it in.
Mexican Mafia
Russian Mafia
Asian Mafia
In general drug cartels or criminal organisations and the very same organisations the public and law enformentc trying so desperately to fight.
There is no denying in it folks, if you juice and you have not got your drugs from your doctor on a legal way... you might want to go over to your local scumbag drug baron and give him your support right there and than.
Because you guys support elements in this Society that are in any way and from but especially morally corrupted and wrong.
Hope that helps.
social commentary mizelt dizown
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??? I am not sure about the level of organized crime in steroid dealing, but the fact is, most steroid use is illegal.
This requires a user to break the law and deal with some form of drug dealer.
I am glad you mentioned this aspect of the steroid issue. Over the past 15 years, I have observed an increase in the "criminal/thug/renegade" element in bodybuilding.
So you let the government make personal decisions for you? I feel sorry for you, being your age and not realizing you have the freedom to choose.
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I think the only reason you keep throwing all this out there is because you want all your possible arguments against using to be destroyed by whatever you get back in response from the "collective Getbig consciousness," thus finally enabling you to fulfill your bodybuilding destiny that you are so hesitant to embrace. ;D
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stark hasnt responded in 5 minutes
he must've dropped dead to the floor
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So you let the government make personal decisions for you? I feel sorry for you, being your age and not realizing you have the freedom to choose.
I do not understand why some people take the law as absolute. Just because something is law doesn't mean that it's wrong.
The government makes billions from taxing two very harmful products(tobacco and alcohol), yet tell people that they can't use marijuana or performance enhancing drugs, both of which are ACTUALLY safer than both alcohol and tobacco.
People that make the arguement that one shouldn't do drugs just because they're illegal lack the skills to think critically. These people people ensure that our presidential elections are a joke, they allow the war on drugs to continue, they bought the Iraq story, and they let politicians run our fucking lives like puppet masters.
Wake the fuck up people.
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I do not understand why some people take the law as absolute. Just because something is law doesn't mean that it's wrong.
The government makes billions from taxing two very harmful products(tobacco and alcohol), yet tell people that they can't use marijuana or performance enhancing drugs, both of which are ACTUALLY safer than both alcohol and tobacco.
People that make the arguement that one shouldn't do drugs just because they're illegal lack the skills to think critically. These people people ensure that our presidential elections are a joke, they allow the war on drugs to continue, they bought the Iraq story, and they let politicians run our fucking lives like puppet masters.
Wake the fuck up people.
Excellent points!!!
I also liked McFarland thoughts that Stark's subconscious motivations behind this thread may be to get the collective response from this board in favour of steroid use.
Should I use?
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You are missing the pt here. I agree with you and feel we should have the freedom to choose whatever drugs we want. However, need I remind YOU, that the existing law says most of the steroid use BB engage in is ILLEGAL.
If you get busted, you can't use your opinion as a good defense for breaking the law.
In that light drug use is NOT a personal decision , limited to the individuals choice. It is a LEGAL issue.
If laws are unjust then they should be disregarded.
This country was founded on the idea of individual civil liberties.
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Well,lets see.If I take steroids I support organised crime.Hmmmm,and the guys who passed the laws making these drugs illegal are what?GANGSTERS!!!From the murderer Ted Kennedy,to the airport head hunter senator Craig,these law makers are every bit as dangerous and corrupt as the most hardened criminals on earth.In fact,they make the mafia look like Sunday school picknickers.So please,until we get decent representation,don't preach the law to us.
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Excellent points!!!
I also liked McFarland thoughts that Stark's subconscious motivations behind this thread may be to get the collective response from this board in favour of steroid use.
Should I use?
Well there are just a hell of a lot more people that you're gonna be able to convince to USE, that don't use, than there are people who already use, that you could talk OUT OF using. Kinda like the expression, "you don't change the devil, the devil changes YOU." So Stark in effect is looking to be converted, plain and simple. ;D
And Matt, I think we may have already discussed it, but no, you should not use, or at least not until Canada gets Musclephone.
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You are missing the pt here. I agree with you and feel we should have the freedom to choose whatever drugs we want. However, need I remind YOU, that the existing law says most of the steroid use BB engage in is ILLEGAL.
If you get busted, you can't use your opinion as a good defense for breaking the law.
In that light drug use is NOT a personal decision , limited to the individuals choice. It is a LEGAL issue.
Less than 5% of everyone involved in drugs on any level get caught. Those who do are pawns to be burnt to give the illusion that drugs are being fought. They aren't, and furthermore, they can't be fought in a free country. Police have virtually no rights and so the cards are heavily stacked in favour of people involved with drugs. Police do not even have the rights to search your pockets. Not only can't police fight drugs, that's not the point anyway. The point is to make the trade seem risky so that the profit remains.
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There's tons of police around my block, but the drug dealers are so far ahead of them that it's not even funny. Sure, the cops bust a few here and there, but another guy pops up and take their place.
The thing is that drugs are so lucrative that there are now many involved. It's not just hispanics and whites distributing these days, but anyone who's daring and wants to earn some money.
I've bought drugs right infront of undercover cops before and the dealer and I pretty much knew they were undercover, but they never even saw the transaction and were sipping their coffee. Street dealing is now gone and it's mostly dilivery, which is almost impossible to stop. The kingpins mostly distribute and leave it at that. This leads to drugs being handled by so many that the cops can hardly stop the flow of drugs.
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And this is the aspect I cannot shift my view for a single inch, it is prooven that in most countries (in Europe etc) these drugs are illegal, so anybody who is taking steroids that have not been subscibed by a Doctor (see Lee Priest ::) ) must therefor buy his drugs from an illegal source, i don't care if it is your best friend or the local gymrat, follow the rabbit trail and you sure find your usual suspect distributing and smuggling the drugs to the country you are buying it in.
Mexican Mafia
Russian Mafia
Asian Mafia
In general drug cartels or criminal organisations and the very same organisations the public and law enformentc trying so desperately to fight.
There is no denying in it folks, if you juice and you have not got your drugs from your doctor on a legal way... you might want to go over to your local scumbag drug baron and give him your support right there and than.
Because you guys support elements in this Society that are in any way and from but especially morally corrupted and wrong.
Hope that helps.
Ultimately, whose fault is it that these drug mafias exist, the drug users or the law that made the drugs illegal? If the drugs were not illegal, they would be sold to consumers by legitimate businesses, and the mafias/gangs, etc wouldn't exist. So, people who say drugs are "bad" because of the bad people who sell them and therefore should remain illegal make a circular argument. All you have to do to get rid of the "bad people" is get rid of the laws and legalize the drugs, not try to get rid of the users. The former you could do in a day with the stroke of a pen... the latter you'll never do in a million years because it goes against basic human nature.
Hope this helps.
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There's tons of police around my block, but the drug dealers are so far ahead of them that it's not even funny. Sure, the cops bust a few here and there, but another guy pops up and take their place.
The thing is that drugs are so lucrative that there are now many involved. It's not just hispanics and whites distributing these days, but anyone who's daring and wants to earn some money.
I've bought drugs right infront of undercover cops before and the dealer and I pretty much knew they were undercover, but they never even saw the transaction and were sipping their coffee. Street dealing is now gone and it's mostly dilivery, which is almost impossible to stop. The kingpins mostly distribute and leave it at that. This leads to drugs being handled by so many that the cops can hardly stop the flow of drugs.
are they guys with shirts open to their waists with pinky rings,guys with dreads and machetes or greasy short tan guys spray painting ms 13 all over the fucking place?
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??? I am not sure about the level of organized crime in steroid dealing, but the fact is, most steroid use is illegal.
This requires a user to break the law and deal with some form of drug dealer.
I am glad you mentioned this aspect of the steroid issue. Over the past 15 years, I have observed an increase in the "criminal/thug/renegade" element in bodybuilding.
thank you Howard, and let this be heard, if Steroids would be legal and I would have reached the age of 40+ I would be the
first to "supplement" with a little Test, however as long as i have to get these drugs from sources I find highly suspect I will
not change my mind.
The closest I ever came of doing test was in Egypt, have been there for over a month way back and I asked for the fun of it
in the local Holiday resort Drugstore what they have to offer.... of course since they are legal he had all the stuff you want.
Again for all you who are too lazy to read my post... Your health is not of my concern, the criminal scumbag organization you support by buying juice from them is my concern. Try to argue your way out of that one.
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Ultimately, whose fault is it that these drug mafias exist, the drug users or the law that made the drugs illegal? If the drugs were not illegal, they would be sold to consumers by legitimate businesses, and the mafias/gangs, etc wouldn't exist. So, people who say drugs are "bad" because of the bad people who sell them and therefore should remain illegal make a circular argument. All you have to do to get rid of the "bad people" is get rid of the laws and legalize the drugs, not try to get rid of the users. The former you could do in a day with the stroke of a pen... the latter you'll never do in a million years because it goes against basic human nature.
Hope this helps.
There is always two sides of the story, the criminal organizations would not exist could not exist without income, people that give them money for what ever service generate their income.
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thank you Howard, and let this be heard, if Steroids would be legal and I would have reached the age of 40+ I would be the
first to "supplement" with a little Test, however as long as i have to get these drugs from sources I find highly suspect I will
not change my mind.
Actually, if you're 40+, you can get them legally. Not enough to gain any real size, mind you, but enough to help a little in your advanced age.
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are they guys with shirts open to their waists with pinky rings,guys with dreads and machetes or greasy short tan guys spray painting ms 13 all over the fucking place?
Different types sell to different types of people.
Those mexicans attract a lot of attention, but they're a very small part of the picture. You wouldn't believe how many people deal.
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shut up, stupid.
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Actually, if you're 40+, you can get them legally. Not enough to gain any real size, mind you, but enough to help a little in your advanced age.
Is that US only?
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Is that US only?
keep shooting your mouth off about aas wiseass.........they found Squaddy and they'll find you....bawdababababooooo oooooooooooom!!!!!
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As an Italian I fully approve of steroid money being funneled to the mob :D
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I shouldn't have bothered to read it because I knew it was going to be an antisteroid rant but can I please have two minutes of my life back?
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keep shooting your mouth off about aas wiseass.........they found Squaddy and they'll find you....bawdababababooooo oooooooooooom!!!!!
I have no problem with that, never lied never exaggeratedly always said the truth.
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There is always two sides of the story, the criminal organizations would not exist could not exist without income, people that give them money for what ever service generate their income.
They also wouldn't exist without the illegality of drugs. It's possible to eliminate prohibition; it is not possible to eliminate demand for these items. That makes the solution a no-brainer. ::)
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there has been more deaths and health complications with women's breast implants then people using steroids...... lets make breast implants illegal. also, the people who have health issues are the ones that abuse pain killers and other rec drugs.
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If laws are unjust then they should be disregarded.
This country was founded on the idea of individual civil liberties.
Right on! Let us now form a "million musclehead march" on Washinton in protest of making steroids illegal.
I bet we would get ton of public and political support ::)