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Through the act of just lifting weights (NO CARDIO), do we really lose fat?
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Through the act of just lifting weights (NO CARDIO), do we really lose fat?
One of my pet hates, when you go to diet and fitness boards people always say "yeah lifting is great for losing fat because the more muscle you have the more fat you burn!" not realising that it takes many years (as a natural) eating OVER maintenance to gain a significant amount of muscle to have any effect on metabolism.
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lol. nope. look at all the powerlifters and "off season" bodybuilders who work out with great intensity 4-5 times a week and yet they are still very fat...
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Muscles burn fat because they need energy, I guess.
Personally, I add cardiovascular exercise to my weight-training, on different days, like spinning and mountain-biking.
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Well, when I lift weights in the gym, I'm sweating like a mofo, so I MUST be losing calories and in turn fat in the process. Is this not the case?
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Well, when I lift weights in the gym, I'm sweating like a mofo, so I MUST be losing calories and in turn fat in the process. Is this not the case?
sweating is only a indication of raised internal body temperature.
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sweating is only a indication of raised internal body temperature.
only an indication?
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i saw a skinny dude sweat like hell the other day doing squats
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sweating is only a indication of raised internal body temperature.
::)
And how much would you say your internal body temperature fluctuates?
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only an indication?
lol how else should i word it?
sweating is a sure sign that your body temperature is elevated above normal levels aka 98.6 degrees farenheit..
??? lol
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i saw a skinny dude sweat like hell the other day doing squats
Was he sweating fat?
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::)
And how much would you say your internal body temperature fluctuates?
shut up queer bait you have no right to contradict me. up the post count and earn some respect from me anfd then ill answer your futile questions
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shut up queer bait you have no right to contradict me. up the post count and earn some respect from me anfd then ill answer your futile questions
Post count doesn't reflect learnedness
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lol. nope. look at all the powerlifters and "off season" bodybuilders who work out with great intensity 4-5 times a week and yet they are still very fat...
IMO it depends on ur diet, u can also do cardio all day and be fat if u eat junk, i belive weight lifting can be subtituted with cardio if ur doin it right
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IMO it depends on ur diet, u can also do cardio all day and be fat if u eat junk, i belive weight lifting can be subtituted with cardio if ur doin it right
yea i agree, what you eat in the few hours before lifting will determine if you are burning fat or not. personally i always make sure im not burning fat when im lifting. i drink sugar and get my insulin elevated... and i a bunch of meat before hand too.
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50% cardio
50% weights
IMO
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about 250kcal in 60min hard weightlifting.
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yea i agree, what you eat in the few hours before lifting will determine if you are burning fat or not. personally i always make sure im not burning fat when im lifting. i drink sugar and get my insulin elevated... and i a bunch of meat before hand too.
great,,,i used to have simple carbs before workout too,,but then realised that my energy drops so fast during the workout, so now i prefere to have 6 ounces of boild potato 30 mins before workout ,
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i sip on the sugar all the way through though so im good. about 30-40 grams waxy maize continually for the 50 minutes or whatever im in the gym
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Short answer.....yes you can lose a lot of just by weights alone. I will explain when I get to my regular computer. Anyone who thinks they cannot, does really know the phyisology behind proper weight training for fat loss.
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I will explain when I get to my regular computer.
Why wait, Joe? You're the master of cell phone posting. ;D
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I'm on a golf course waiting for the hacks in front of us!!
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I'm on a golf course waiting for the hacks in front of us!!
your going to top this next shot joe. and the one after is gong to be a duck hook.
youll 3 put the next 5 holes.
sand on 17 and 18.
posting a snowman on 18.
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as long as you are burning more calories than you take in you will lose weight.
you can do it by lifting weights or by a combination of weights and cardio.
if you choose to lose weight be only weight training then your diet has to be on point because you have less room for mistakes.
caloric intake is probably the biggest factor, if you over eat it doesn't matter what you do, you will get zero results.
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as long as you are burning more calories than you take in you will lose weight.
you can do it by lifting weights or by a combination of weights and cardio.
if you choose to lose weight be only weight training then your diet has to be on point because you have less room for mistakes.
caloric intake is probably the biggest factor, if you over eat it doesn't matter what you do, you will get zero results.
burn off fat in the morning by doing am cardio. then eat 300 calories over maintanence.
this will result in a slow reduction in fat while a slow gain in muscle. and you in a constant calorie surplus.
:-*
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Through the act of just lifting weights (NO CARDIO), do we really lose fat?
It burns calories
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Lifting weights to burn fat versus cardio to burn fat, cardio wins, however cardio versus low carb diet, low carb diet wins...Simple :)
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1. Define "cardio"
2. No it doesn't win.
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you can lose fat lying down all day if you eat the right amount.
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0 cardio when I diet for a show :)
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you can lose fat lying down all day if you eat the right amount.
That's right
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shut up queer bait you have no right to contradict me. up the post count and earn some respect from me anfd then ill answer your futile questions
So in your opinion a high post count on this message forum is tantamount to expert physiological knowledge?
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Lose fat = diet + weight training
strengthen heart = cardio
Cardio is a slow means to fat loss....take a look at all the fat ass women who stumble out of the spin classes at the gym. Sweaty as hell and very soft... 8)
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iif someone is very aware of ther bdoy and personal metabolism and knows nutrition well than they can lose fat and build muscle over time without cardio..
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So in your opinion a high post count on this message forum is tantamount to expert physiological knowledge?
no in my opinion methyle mike is a homo
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Squadfather > "Candizzle" ....YOU AINT THE NEW KING 8)
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you can lose fat lying down all day if you eat the right amount.
you mean lose weight (muscle + fat)
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Squadfather > "Candizzle" ....YOU AINT THE NEW KING 8)
AND WHO EXACTLY ARE YOU?
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AND WHO EXACTLY ARE YOU?
I enjoy the board...I don't try to rule it..must be a built-up closeted homosexuality issue, huh? 8)
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you mean lose weight (muscle + fat)
WRONG!
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I enjoy the board...I don't try to rule it..must be a built-up closeted homosexuality issue, huh? 8)
lol..umm... whos trying to rule what exactly? i spend my free time here because bodybuilding is my hobby but the gym is only an hour a day 5 days a week...
mustbe some sort of inferiority complex, huh?
lol
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lol..umm... whos trying to rule what exactly? i spend my free time here because bodybuilding is my hobby but the gym is only an hour a day 5 days a week...
mustbe some sort of inferiority complex, huh?
lol
I have always enjoyed your posts (have'nt always agreed), but the last week or so you have become way too arrogant..as though you're attempting to become the new "Squad"...not gonna happen 8)
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squad and me are very different people and in no way o i try to emulate him at all... ad i dont know how i would ever be able to reach that post count. favct is for the past couple weeks ive had the house to myself with no job and only working out one hour a day for 5 days a week so that gives me all day log to sit around and eat and post on getbig... but as far as posting style i dont thnk its changed at all...
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at least we agree on the proper way to lose fat 8)
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burn off fat in the morning by doing am cardio. then eat 300 calories over maintanence.
this will result in a slow reduction in fat while a slow gain in muscle. and you in a constant calorie surplus.
:-*
many will argue this to be impossible...
discuss
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many will argue this to be impossible...
discuss
yes lets discuss how retarded thos people who claim its impossible are
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many will argue this to be impossible...
discuss
Genuine question here. This is providing when you refer to a calorie it's in reference to carbs. How do you lose weight if you're taking more in than you're using...ie in a calorie surplus?
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i outlined a simple way earlier.
okay. you wake up. you do cardio. you just burned a bunch of body fat. lets say you burn 400-600 calories of body fat.
now lets say your bmr is 3000 cals a day. you eat 3300 cals for that day. of the right macronutrients of course.
now, your not gong to store any fat from eating 300 calories over each day, protein synthesis is very costly.
and even if you did store some fat, the most would be 300. but you burned a the loswest 400 cals in cardio
so worst case scenario each day you only lost 100 calories of fat.
and at the same time, you gaining muscle because you eating 300 cals over bmr.
:)
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now, your not gong to store any fat from eating 300 calories over each day, protein synthesis is very costly.
???
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???
are there thingies with our issues?
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i outlined a simple way earlier.
okay. you wake up. you do cardio. you just burned a bunch of body fat. lets say you burn 400-600 calories of body fat.
now lets say your bmr is 3000 cals a day. you eat 3300 cals for that day. of the right macronutrients of course.
now, your not gong to store any fat from eating 300 calories over each day, protein synthesis is very costly.
and even if you did store some fat, the most would be 300. but you burned a the loswest 400 cals in cardio
so worst case scenario each day you only lost 100 calories of fat.
and at the same time, you gaining muscle because you eating 300 cals over bmr.
:)
But would your bmr not include the energy needed for protein synthesis?
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i dont know.. good question.
but regardless, if you had burnt up 400 calories of fat i the AM, then you only ate 300 over your bmr, then youd still have a net fat loss, and you would have still built muscle.
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i dont know.. good question.
but regardless, if you had burnt up 400 calories of fat i the AM, then you only ate 300 over your bmr, then youd still have a net fat loss, and you would have still built muscle.
Yeh, I can see where you're coming from. I know it can be done, I'd like to think I managed it myself at one stage, but understanding it is a totally different matter :D
One of the few intelligent exchanges I've had on getbig. Thanks candidizzle. lol :)
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i outlined a simple way earlier.
okay. you wake up. you do cardio. you just burned a bunch of body fat. lets say you burn 400-600 calories of body fat.
now lets say your bmr is 3000 cals a day. you eat 3300 cals for that day. of the right macronutrients of course.
now, your not gong to store any fat from eating 300 calories over each day, protein synthesis is very costly.
and even if you did store some fat, the most would be 300. but you burned a the loswest 400 cals in cardio
so worst case scenario each day you only lost 100 calories of fat.
and at the same time, you gaining muscle because you eating 300 cals over bmr.
:)
you are speaking in absolutes and the body doesn't work that..when you burn that 400-600 in the morning, that is not all fat
and when you over eat in the afternoon there is no guarantee that is going to muscle production
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Yeh, I can see where you're coming from. I know it can be done, I'd like to think I managed it myself at one stage, but understanding it is a totally different matter :D
One of the few intelligent exchanges I've had on getbig. Thanks candidizzle. lol :)
your welcome. :)
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you are speaking in absolutes and the body doesn't work that..when you burn that 400-600 in the morning, that is not all fat
and when you over eat in the afternoon there is no guarantee that is going to muscle production
wy isnt it al fat in the morning? please inform me
id didnt say over eat i said eat 30p cals above bmr for the entire day. and preferrably your going to overeat on protein since this is the least likely macronutrient to be stored as fat.
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wy isnt it al fat in the morning? please inform me
id didnt say over eat i said eat 30p cals above bmr for the entire day. and preferrably your going to overeat on protein since this is the least likely macronutrient to be stored as fat.
Protein can't be stored as fat if I remember correctly...?
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you are speaking in absolutes and the body doesn't work that..when you burn that 400-600 in the morning, that is not all fat
and when you over eat in the afternoon there is no guarantee that is going to muscle production
If you are a reguler person that has slept for 8 hours then your blood suger levels will hit rock bottom by the time morning comes, hence every single calorie you burn will be from fat until you eat :)
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Protein can't be stored as fat if I remember correctly...
eehh...amino acids cannot be stored in adipose. but they can be converted into substances that can be stored as fat.
but you must remember the huge thermic effect of protein, and the fact that when protein is converted into those substances that can be stored as fat it is converted at a 2=1 ratio....
so lets say you eat 50 grams protein. you body can only use 40. so it converts the extra 10 into substance that can be stored as fat. now you have 5 grams glucose. and if none of that can be used, then it will be stored as fat.
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If you are a reguler person that has slept for 8 hours then your blood suger levels will hit rock bottom by the time morning comes, hence every single calorie you burn will be from fat until you eat :)
yup !
you know we are in ketosis every night when we are asleep. first thing in the morning we are untill we eat.
personally before morning cardio i will take a couple caps of fish oil and drink a couple glasses of water.
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eehh...amino acids cannot be stored in adipose. but they can be converted into substances that can be stored as fat.
but you must remember the huge thermic effect of protein, and the fact that when protein is converted into those substances that can be stored as fat it is converted at a 2=1 ratio....
so lets say you eat 50 grams protein. you body can only use 40. so it converts the extra 10 into substance that can be stored as fat. now you have 5 grams glucose. and if none of that can be used, then it will be stored as fat.
Ok, that's interesting I need to read up on some of this shit. lol
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Ok, that's interesting I need to read up on some of this shit. lol
i wouldnt let that discourage you from over eating protein.
one thing is for sure, protien is not gonna make you noticeably fatter. ou could eat chicken all day long and it wont make you soft.
also, whole food rate of digestion is pretty slow. i think you get around 10 grams an hour from meat. depending on what kind of meat. and considering people will dirnk whey protein at 60 grams in one drink and that doesnt make them fat (whey is all digeste at once0... i dout any kind of whole food source will contribute to adipose build up
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i wouldnt let that discourage you from over eating protein.
one thing is for sure, protien is not gonna make you noticeably fatter. ou could eat chicken all day long and it wont make you soft.
also, whole food rate of digestion is pretty slow. i think you get around 10 grams an hour from meat. depending on what kind of meat. and considering people will dirnk whey protein at 60 grams in one drink and that doesnt make them fat (whey is all digeste at once0... i dout any kind of whole food source will contribute to adipose build up
any food can be stored as fat
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any food can be stored as fat
i already addressed that.
but protein will nto make yuo fat.
thermic effect is monstrous, digestion is slow, your body has a absolutely huge need for amino acids, and turnover rate to glucose is very low
all those things work to keep you lean regardless of howmuch protein you eat
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Summary: If you eat less than you burn each day, you'll lose fat no matter if you lift weights, do cardio or both.
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Summary: If you eat less than you burn each day, you'll lose fat no matter if you lift weights, do cardio or both.
thanks debussey
but your oversimplification is misleading to newbs who dont much about the body nutrition and metabolism
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Hello, I felt that I had to post a reply to "Candizzle". It would seem that this fellow is one of those skinny little nerds I see endlessly browsing the aisles of GNC. Little bitches like him just don't understand that the way to get bigger involves heavier weights and increased intensity (I won't even pretend to know anything about steroids or GH). I just can't comprehend a pencil-neck loser such as himself offering all this advice when I would most likely slit my wrists if I ever looked like him. Maybe he has a winning personality and this is why you listen to him...All I know is that after seeing the absolutely pathetic pics of him ( which he obviously thought were decent or he wouldn't have posted them) I can effectively summarize that this little man is most likely a little retarded, or at least had something moderately heavy drop on his head in his adolescent years.
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i already addressed that.
but protein will nto make yuo fat.
it will if you eat too much lol
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Hello, I felt that I had to post a reply to "Candizzle". It would seem that this fellow is one of those skinny little nerds I see endlessly browsing the aisles of GNC. Little bitches like him just don't understand that the way to get bigger involves heavier weights and increased intensity (I won't even pretend to know anything about steroids or GH). I just can't comprehend a pencil-neck loser such as himself offering all this advice when I would most likely slit my wrists if I ever looked like him. Maybe he has a winning personality and this is why you listen to him...All I know is that after seeing the absolutely pathetic pics of him ( which he obviously thought were decent or he wouldn't have posted them) I can effectively summarize that this little man is most likely a little retarded, or at least had something moderately heavy drop on his head in his adolescent years.
do we have issues or thingz clubber wang ??
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Hello, I felt that I had to post a reply to "Candizzle".
Im not defending Candi, but how is this helpful? if he is full of shit, explain how, then we'll all laugh at him.
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No, I do not believe that we have issues. I just wanted to say that I believe you are a nerd and are offering bogus workout advice. I would compare taking workout tips from you as taking fighting tips from a "Karate Master" that I could beat up. Really, I don't want to start an online war with you, I just think you are a dork and really should be posting on a Popular Science board instead. Thank you, and the end.
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No, I do not believe that we have issues. I just wanted to say that I believe you are a nerd and are offering bogus workout advice. I would compare taking workout tips from you as taking fighting tips from a "Karate Master" that I could beat up. Really, I don't want to start an online war with you, I just think you are a dork and really should be posting on a Popular Science board instead. Thank you, and the end.
i offered workout advice? i think we were discussing losing fat.
i offer you a chance to make me look stupid
show that something i said in this thread is inaccurate
or
howabout you post a picture of yourself and make me look stupid that way. since obviously you are implying that you look better than me.
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I definitely look better than you. Lets go ahead and get that out of the way. You are a skinny nerd, turd, and I have most likely taken shits that look better (and smell better) than you. If you are going to take the whole "If you don't post a pic then you must be shit" attitude that Squadfather took, then I guess you win, I'll be honest, however, and say that I am 6'1", 205 pounds, very low body fat (32 inch waist), run 1.5 miles in 9.15 minutes and am in the U.S Air Force. I won't post pics because I don't want them out ther but would definitely not post a pic if I looked like you. Again, I don't want to sound negative, but I would not be hating upon you if you would act civil and not be such a homo.dick.
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the more lean muscle you got on you the less fat you will hold as simple as that,,hormones a must and no cardio needed unless you preping for competition even then the best get with less! you will also notice that the higher your lean muscle mass is the more junk you can eat and the less you care about your diet see locket and sons ltd
always pay attentio that the most impressive guys around you eat whatever the fuck the feel like and know their hormones,,when gh15 says whatever they want to gh15 means still within limits but sushi fish restrauants steaks german food \jamican food etc ....the higher your lean muscle mass is the more you can eat that shit ! and that is one of the big secrets of bodybuilding that seperates you competing at 170 to us competing at 250...
well that and aas gh and insulin for the diabetes from all that good food ;)
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;D figures.
if your not going to post a picture go ahead and find something in this thread that i said that was incorrect.
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I definitely look better than you. Lets go ahead and get that out of the way. You are a skinny nerd, turd, and I have most likely taken shits that look better (and smell better) than you. If you are going to take the whole "If you don't post a pic then you must be shit" attitude that Squadfather took, then I guess you win, I'll be honest, however, and say that I am 6'1", 205 pounds, very low body fat (32 inch waist), run 1.5 miles in 9.15 minutes and am in the U.S Air Force. I won't post pics because I don't want them out ther but would definitely not post a pic if I looked like you. Again, I don't want to sound negative, but I would not be hating upon you if you would act civil and not be such a homo.dick.
So far you've said he's a homo, a dick, a nerd, and a turd, but you haven't addressed his points. Your screen name is hilarious, but ease back on the name calling and stay on point.
Candi, I don't agree. Burning 600 cals would be a monster cardio session. I don't agree that every cal comes from fat either or that a cal deficit isn't required to burn fat. Being turbo charged changes all the rules. Lean bulking while losing fat naturally can probably be done, but progress would be so slow it would better suit a fitness enthusiast than a bodybuilder.
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yes, just stop eating so much.... ???
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You seem like you know some stuff about how the body works, Canididizzle, but you are using the term BMR wrong!
BMR=Basic Metabolic Rate. This is how many calories a person burns every day just to stay alive! This means, if you were lying in bed not moving, your body would use the equivalent amount of calories as your BMR to just stay alive (breath, your heart beating, keeping your organs working etc). BMR does NOT include your daily activity. As soon as you move you will need energy for this and your daily calorie expenditure increases.
This is the BMR formula:
Women: BMR = 655 + ( 4.35 x weight in pounds ) + ( 4.7 x height in inches ) - ( 4.7 x age in years )
Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )
When you say in your example 3000cals in one day you are speaking about the total amount of calories your body burns in one day INCLUDING daily activity.
A 30 year old male male that is 5'10, weighing 220lbs has a BMR of just bove 2000cal just laying in bed all day. For a BMR of 3000cals at 5'10 you would need to weigh above 350lbs.
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yeah your right im they take into account daily activity. i never do though. i am not sure i think the body really registers that calorie burn as a bump in metabolism. like...normally lets say your sedative and your bmr is 3 thousand. you eat 2 thousand. your body registers you under ate and it slows thyroid output to compensate. now lets say you have that same sedative metabolic rate, 3 thousand, but you workout mid day and you burn a thousand cals in your weight lifting/cardio... now your "BMR" for that day is "4 thousand"....BUT... if you only eat 3 thousand(what your sedative bmr is), i do not think ...and this is just my hypothesizing here...i dont think that your body will slow the metabolism down at all in response to that caloric defecit.
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Hello, I felt that I had to post a reply to "Candizzle". It would seem that this fellow is one of those skinny little nerds I see endlessly browsing the aisles of GNC. Little bitches like him just don't understand that the way to get bigger involves heavier weights and increased intensity (I won't even pretend to know anything about steroids or GH). I just can't comprehend a pencil-neck loser such as himself offering all this advice when I would most likely slit my wrists if I ever looked like him. Maybe he has a winning personality and this is why you listen to him...All I know is that after seeing the absolutely pathetic pics of him ( which he obviously thought were decent or he wouldn't have posted them) I can effectively summarize that this little man is most likely a little retarded, or at least had something moderately heavy drop on his head in his adolescent years.
HAHAHA! Dead on!
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the more lean muscle you got on you the less fat you will hold as simple as that
Explain "buffet" Trey Brewer.......
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You seem like you know some stuff about how the body works, Canididizzle, but you are using the term BMR wrong!
BMR=Basic Metabolic Rate. This is how many calories a person burns every day just to stay alive! This means, if you were lying in bed not moving, your body would use the equivalent amount of calories as your BMR to just stay alive (breath, your heart beating, keeping your organs working etc). BMR does NOT include your daily activity. As soon as you move you will need energy for this and your daily calorie expenditure increases.
This is the BMR formula:
Women: BMR = 655 + ( 4.35 x weight in pounds ) + ( 4.7 x height in inches ) - ( 4.7 x age in years )
Men: BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year )
When you say in your example 3000cals in one day you are speaking about the total amount of calories your body burns in one day INCLUDING daily activity.
A 30 year old male male that is 5'10, weighing 220lbs has a BMR of just bove 2000cal just laying in bed all day. For a BMR of 3000cals at 5'10 you would need to weigh above 350lbs.
A gimmick of a gimmick. Gotta love getbig ;D
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Yes, you're right, the body does'nt adjust it's metabolism every day according to consumption/expenditure, it's more like around two weeks time depending on which changes the person has made in consumption/expenditure.
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hahaha.
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Of course that we burn calories while lifting weights. A intense training can burn lots of calories, being that the recovery of that training requires more calories than the recovery from aerobic exercises... Doing proper training with supersets, gives a hard time to the athlete to gain weight...