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Title: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Eldon on May 19, 2008, 05:14:35 PM
Anyone voting for Obama needs to look a little closer at just what that would really mean.

Apart from his ridiculous positions re: America's enemies and his willingness to meet and have tea with them, he's going to make us ALL pay...


Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 19, 2008, 05:20:27 PM
Bush is the one who's set us all up to have to pay.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Dos Equis on May 19, 2008, 05:34:09 PM
Anyone voting for Obama needs to look a little closer at just what that would really mean.

Apart from his ridiculous positions re: America's enemies and his willingness to meet and have tea with them, he's going to make us ALL pay...




Now that summarizes in large part why I will not vote for that guy. 
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 19, 2008, 05:37:08 PM
Now that summarizes in large part why I will not vote for that guy. 
If you're worried about being stiffed for the bill, I hope you didn't vote for Bush.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 05:42:32 PM
If you're worried about being stiffed for the bill, I hope you didn't vote for Bush.

Jesus Christ come off it man.. Bush is LEAVING!!!

The whole point of this is who will be taking over and why Obama is basically an asshole who wants to tax the already over-taxed American people to fund his big brother utopian ideas.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Dos Equis on May 19, 2008, 05:45:29 PM
If you're worried about being stiffed for the bill, I hope you didn't vote for Bush.

Voted for him twice.  I'm worried about having Obama look at every way possible to raise taxes.  I did hear some of those comments before, but that clip is alarming. 
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: OzmO on May 19, 2008, 05:55:00 PM
Communism is coming our way.  It's just a mater of time. 

BTW:  Raised taxes are a certainty.  Nothing can stop that.   >:(
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: OzmO on May 19, 2008, 06:01:04 PM


If you think, 500 billion in debt is bad, world hatred of the USA, thousands dead, a credit crisis, A shitty dollar and $4.00 gallon gas is bad.....


we are going to get lied to, over taxed, nuclear bombed, and we will negotiate with terrorists and wright will stage religious coup.


We are so fucked. and then fucked again. 

















and then fucked again.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: youandme on May 19, 2008, 06:59:38 PM
If you're worried about being stiffed for the bill, I hope you didn't vote for Bush.

Jesus your blind hate for Bush has made you stupid.

Go to your nearest library and pick up an economics book by Keynes, a WWI WWII economist, and sit, read, and learn about budget deficits and government spending.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:04:32 PM
Jesus your blind hate for Bush has made you stupid.

Go to your nearest library and pick up an economics book by Keynes, a WWI WWII economist, and sit, read, and learn about budget deficits and government spending.

And while you're at it learn more about the wonderful ::) things the 2006 elected congress has helped to accomplish.  I'll give you an idea.. the largest hike in oil prices has occured in the last two years since the DEMS took office.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 19, 2008, 07:09:04 PM
And while you're at it learn more about the wonderful ::) things the 2006 elected congress has helped to accomplish.  I'll give you an idea.. the largest hike in oil prices has occured in the last two years since the DEMS took office.

Dude,

Please list ONE thing the dems have done in the last 15 months since entering office, which has caused it.

You can't ;)
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:17:41 PM
Dude,

Please list ONE thing the dems have done in the last 15 months since entering office, which has caused it.

You can't ;)

Many of them ran on the platform that they would do something about rising energy costs, oil dependency, and the weak economy.  They have done nothing about either which makes them impotent and liars.

Shut your mouth ;)
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: calmus on May 19, 2008, 07:23:25 PM
Many of them ran on the platform that they would do something about rising energy costs, oil dependency, and the weak economy.  They have done nothing about either which makes them impotent and liars.

Shut your mouth ;)

Stick to catching shoplifters, junior.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:24:37 PM
Many of them ran on the platform that they would do something about rising energy costs, oil dependency, and the weak economy.  They have done nothing about either which makes them impotent and liars.

Shut your mouth ;)

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we're [sic] seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) the cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

.. and this was only from 07.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 19, 2008, 07:25:58 PM
Many of them ran on the platform that they would do something about rising energy costs, oil dependency, and the weak economy.  They have done nothing about either which makes them impotent and liars.

Shut your mouth ;)


I can point out pieces of legislation, corporate tax breaks, war spending bills, and borrowing done by repubs which has weaked dollar confidence and caused its slide against the euro.

I can point out that the dems tried to stop it.  Bush did 2 things to prevent them.  First, he held up bloody uniforms on tv and told moms that the dems would kill the troops if they didn't give him his $148 Billion war $.  Dems caved.  The next time it rolled around, they stood up to him and passed a bill with benchmarks to introduce, after 5 years of blind war, some sore of finish line/goals.  Bush vetoed it, and played te dead soldier card again.

You can call them imporant liars.  I just demonstrated they tried to chage things, and were vetoed by a guy who politicizes war.  

I await your evidence the dems have caused oil prices to rise.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:27:23 PM
Stick to catching shoplifters, junior.

HAHAAHAH ok.. like you have added any clout whatsoever to the getbig political board.  So far all I've seen has been you echoing what all the other leftards say right before you start another thread with no substance just so you and the other dingbats can feel better.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 19, 2008, 07:27:44 PM
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we're [sic] seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) the cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

.. and this was only from 07.



sorry charlie.  these things are the giant snowball at the bottom of the hill that the repubs started rollin in 2001.

Or, please........ tell us these things all happened in a vaccuum - that the dems caused the fcking housing crisis?  LMAO... you're too much.  I used to be just like you.  blindly loyal without a single clue.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:29:38 PM

sorry charlie.  these things are the giant snowball at the top of the hill that the repubs started in 2001.

Or, please........ tell us these things all happened in a vaccuum - that the dems caused the fcking housing crisis?  LMAO... you're too much.  I used to be just like you.  blindly loyal without a single clue.

No.. irrisponsible home owners did. 

It must really bother you that I prove myself actually objective every time you try to accuse me of being blind or stubborn.

Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: calmus on May 19, 2008, 07:31:30 PM
HAHAAHAH ok.. like you have added any clout whatsoever to the getbig political board.  So far all I've seen has been you echoing what all the other leftards say right before you start another thread with no substance just so you and the other dingbats can feel better.

Yes, I'm really trying to increase the "clout" of the getbig political board.  ::)

I'm beginning to see why you're a security guard now.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:31:40 PM

I can point out pieces of legislation, corporate tax breaks, war spending bills, and borrowing done by repubs which has weaked dollar confidence and caused its slide against the euro.

I can point out that the dems tried to stop it.  Bush did 2 things to prevent them.  First, he held up bloody uniforms on tv and told moms that the dems would kill the troops if they didn't give him his $148 Billion war $.  Dems caved.  The next time it rolled around, they stood up to him and passed a bill with benchmarks to introduce, after 5 years of blind war, some sore of finish line/goals.  Bush vetoed it, and played te dead soldier card again.

You can call them imporant liars.  I just demonstrated they tried to chage things, and were vetoed by a guy who politicizes war.  

I await your evidence the dems have caused oil prices to rise.

At what point did I claim repubs haven't fucked up?  I didn't.  You made that assumption because you're an ass who doesn't listen.  You just like to hear yourself talk.

Repub leadership has largely departed conservative values.  This is no secret and I have said it before.

Democrats did nothing.. admit it.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:33:16 PM
Yes, I'm really trying to increase the "clout" of the getbig political board.  ::)

I'm beginning to see why you're a security guard now.

Gimmie ten minutes to figure out what I was TRYING to say :D
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:34:44 PM
Yes, I'm really trying to increase the "clout" of the getbig political board.  ::)

I'm beginning to see why you're a security guard now.

a ha!!..

Clout

Main Entry:   influence
Part of Speech:   noun
Definition:   The power to produce an effect by indirect means.
Synonyms:   leverage, sway, weight, clout
Source:   Roget's II: The New Thesaurus, Third Edition
by the Editors of the American Heritage® Dictionary.
Copyright © 2003, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:35:42 PM
Yes, I'm really trying to increase the "clout" of the getbig political board.  ::)

I'm beginning to see why you're a security guard now.

And I'm not a security guard..

I'm beginning to see why you're an idiot now. :D
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: calmus on May 19, 2008, 07:36:47 PM
a ha!!..

Clout

Main Entry:   influence
Part of Speech:   noun
Definition:   The power to produce an effect by indirect means.
Synonyms:   leverage, sway, weight, clout
Source:   Roget's II: The New Thesaurus, Third Edition
by the Editors of the American Heritage® Dictionary.
Copyright © 2003, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.


If english is your first language, this is beyond pathetic....

P.S.  yes, you are a glorified security guard.

Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:38:49 PM
If english is your first language, this is beyond pathetic....

P.S.  yes, you are a glorified security guard.


Oh really?  Please explain..

Like I said.. idiot.

Main Entry:   fool
Part of Speech:   noun
Definition:   One deficient in judgment and good sense.
Synonyms:   ass, imbecile, jackass, mooncalf, moron, nincompoop, ninny, nitwit, simple, simpleton, softhead, tomfool, idiot

Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 19, 2008, 07:39:53 PM
I love your spirit, but seriously... the dems have done very little in the last 15 months.  Their hands are tied.  Bush has veto power and the power of the pulpit.  All we're seeing is the snowball grow.  You can't borrow $4.5 trillion bucks and not expect the dollar confidence to plummet.  Everything we're seeing is a result of that.  Everyone started fleeing the dollar in 2003, it's why we hit Iraq- you do know that right?

it doesn't matter what you or I think on this issue.  In the last 2 special elections, repubs were crushed in places they should have creamed the dems.  It's going to be a huge change election in the fall. You can call the dems anything you wish, but they didn't hand $4.5 trillion to the war machine over the last 5 years.  Repubs did.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:41:51 PM
I love your spirit, but seriously... the dems have done very little in the last 15 months.  Their hands are tied.  Bush has veto power and the power of the pulpit.  All we're seeing is the snowball grow.  You can't borrow $4.5 trillion bucks and not expect the dollar confidence to plummet.  Everything we're seeing is a result of that.  Everyone started fleeing the dollar in 2003, it's why we hit Iraq- you do know that right?

it doesn't matter what you or I think on this issue.  In the last 2 special elections, repubs were crushed in places they should have creamed the dems.  It's going to be a huge change election in the fall. You can call the dems anything you wish, but they didn't hand $4.5 trillion to the war machine over the last 5 years.  Repubs did.

Do you have confidence that the dems wouldn't waste 4.5 trillion of taxpayer money and still have the cojones to increase taxes?

Didn't think so.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 19, 2008, 07:51:27 PM
Do you have confidence that the dems wouldn't waste 4.5 trillion of taxpayer money and still have the cojones to increase taxes?

Didn't think so.

If they had been in power from 2000 on... I do not believe the dems would have attacked iraq, as Bush did. 

There was a surplus when Clinton left office.  The USA was making money.  We've borrowed 4.5 trillion (will be 5 trill when bush leaves office.)

We had only borrowed 4.5 trillion in the 90 years before that.   bush borrowed more than all other presidents before him - combined.

would the dems have borrowed 4.5 trillion?  Clinton example and common sense says no.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 07:54:37 PM
If they had been in power from 2000 on... I do not believe the dems would have attacked iraq, as Bush did. 

There was a surplus when Clinton left office.  The USA was making money.  We've borrowed 4.5 trillion (will be 5 trill when bush leaves office.)

We had only borrowed 4.5 trillion in the 90 years before that.   bush borrowed more than all other presidents before him - combined.

would the dems have borrowed 4.5 trillion?  Clinton example and common sense says no.

I'm not asking whether they would have attacked Iraq costing us 4.5 tril..

I'm asking whether or not you think democrats, if given 4.5 tril to use, wouldn't waste it and then ask for more in the form of higher taxes.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 19, 2008, 08:00:41 PM
I'm not asking whether they would have attacked Iraq costing us 4.5 tril..

I'm asking whether or not you think democrats, if given 4.5 tril to use, wouldn't waste it and then ask for more.

No.

Clinton could have borrowed as much as he wanted.  He chose not to use it.  Instead, he came out ahead each year.  Bush is now up to $1 til PER YEAR.  I mean, that's nuts.  Clinton EARNED 300 bil his last year in office, I believe.  We were in the surplus. 

Remember, Bush wasn't given 4.5 tril to use.  He TOOK it.  He gave china deeds to US forest and roads for the $.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: MB_722 on May 19, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
He gave china deeds to US forest and roads for the $.

where is this written?
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: calmus on May 19, 2008, 08:03:29 PM
where is this written?

In the Book of Mormon.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 19, 2008, 08:07:35 PM
No.

Clinton could have borrowed as much as he wanted.  He chose not to use it.  Instead, he came out ahead each year.  Bush is now up to $1 til PER YEAR.  I mean, that's nuts.  Clinton EARNED 300 bil his last year in office, I believe.  We were in the surplus. 

Remember, Bush wasn't given 4.5 tril to use.  He TOOK it.  He gave china deeds to US forest and roads for the $.

I don't think you trust dems with even $100 any more than I do but if you won't admit it just to spite me then alrighty.

As far as I can tell both dem candidates, especially Obama, would throw 4.5 tril down the toilet in a heartbeat then have the nerve to TAKE more in the form of higher taxes..  all to enlarge the massive gov't and bureaucracy, create another failed "program" or both.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: youandme on May 19, 2008, 08:08:25 PM
And while you're at it learn more about the wonderful ::) things the 2006 elected congress has helped to accomplish.  I'll give you an idea.. the largest hike in oil prices has occured in the last two years since the DEMS took office.

I'm not siding with any party bro.

America was very sad after the "first 100 days" when people were expecting change ~ does this word sound familiar? hmmm Obama.

Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 19, 2008, 08:43:12 PM
If you look really closely, you can see the horse saying "Change"

(http://i32.tinypic.com/1c2ep.jpg)



I guess the sheep will be voting for Bahhhhrack OBahhhhma.

Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: youandme on May 19, 2008, 08:57:35 PM
If you look really closely, you can see the horse saying "Change"

(http://i32.tinypic.com/1c2ep.jpg)



I guess the sheep will be voting for Bahhhhrack OBahhhhma.



lmao

haha good one
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Tre on May 19, 2008, 09:06:55 PM
Anyone voting for Obama needs to look a little closer at just what that would really mean.

Apart from his ridiculous positions re: America's enemies and his willingness to meet and have tea with them, he's going to make us ALL pay...




Didn't Bush sit down with the North Koreans? 
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 19, 2008, 09:25:31 PM
Voted for him twice.  I'm worried about having Obama look at every way possible to raise taxes.  I did hear some of those comments before, but that clip is alarming. 
You're right, we should probably just borrow more from China.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 20, 2008, 06:28:25 AM
Didn't Bush sit down with the North Koreans? 

North Korea set off a nuke.
North Korea said they were going to destroy the usa.
North Korea fired off 6-8 ICBMs - missiles - at hawaii - on the 4th of july - at the very second a space shuttle launched.

How did we punish them for this act of war?


Bush paid them 1 million barrels of oil to stop attacking us.  Isn't that appeasement?  yes.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: OzmO on May 20, 2008, 06:52:49 AM
How do we know the new dems will spend/waste 4 trillion?

Based on Clinton?
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Decker on May 20, 2008, 07:01:12 AM
To me, it's a fairly easy choice.

4 more years of failed Bush/republican policies or a change in direction.

All this talk about a tax-happy Obama is nonsense.

The government is BORROWING more in our names than any tax proposed.

If Clinton could manage to balance the budget and start paying down the debt AFTER HE RAISED TAXES, why can't Obama do it as well.

Republicans treat government as a fire sale--privatize the commons, get rid of taxes and regulations and free lunches for all.

It's time to grow up, act like adults and pay our debts.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 20, 2008, 07:15:07 AM
Clinton could have borrowed trillions.  Our economy was florishing and other nations would have LOVED lending to us.  However, he chose not to.

Bush borrowed 4.5 trillion.

Brix, you can scream about "what the dems would have done", but we have 8 years of evidence that given the chance, they didn't borrow trillions.  They actually made money by the end.  I doubt, in person with an audience, you'd claim the dems would blow 4 trillion bucks when clinton actually made $ at the end, but hey, I've seen people do sillier things. 
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: shootfighter1 on May 20, 2008, 09:37:25 AM
Bush did not raise taxes more than any other president.  Please reseach before you post here.

This war has cost us greatly...perhaps incalcuable #s.  I do think the blame for this is placed on the administration and the poor intelligence gathered.  I'm with some of the dems on this one (although the majority of them voted to give Bush authorization to invade).

Taxation & regulation with its negative affect on our professional working people and small businesses is the main reason I absolutely cannot vote for Obama.  Giving the gov more power and increasing gov intervention in most areas is a very big mistake in this country.  Remember Obama may be president for 4-8 yrs but all that power is passed to the next administration as well.  We cannot set socialistic precidents in this country.  It was not what we were founded upon.
We need to follow our constitution and cut gov spending.  Our gov should work for the people and reps & dems alike are not adhering to constitutional principles.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 20, 2008, 09:39:10 AM
some say that higher gas prices to subsidize record oil company profits is actually a consumption tax, with the monry first being filtered thru corporations before the govt getting their share.

it's a sneaky way to siphon the public treasury, and to hook you friends at exxon up first.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: shootfighter1 on May 20, 2008, 09:43:49 AM
I'd have to see real proof of that.

Most economists talk about the growing world economies and a vastly increased need for oil (particularly India & China)  When the demand is high, the oil producers can raise prices.
As I have said before, a fast and easy way to address this problem in the short term is environmentally conscious drilling in our own territories.  I blame the ultra-environmentalists for not allowing us to improve our current crisis.  That is a crime IMO.  People are hurting.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 20, 2008, 09:51:03 AM
drilling in our own territories.  I blame the ultra-environmentalists for not allowing us to improve our current crisis. 

wait a second -

bush has owned white house and congress from 2000 thru 2006, and in 07/08 still vetoed anything meaningful that the dems presented.

So that means one of two things happened to prevent Bush from drilling here:

1) He cowered to powerless eco-groups.  After ignoring them on every issue where they marched by thousands, he cowered to them and didn't drill.  In this case, it's all his fault for not standing up to them when he had all legislation power.

2) He chose not to.  Much more realistic.  Much more profitable for war companies ;)

So which do you think happened?  Do you think Bush caved to powerless liberals, or greedy corporations.  What's your guess?

Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: youandme on May 20, 2008, 10:06:22 AM
Giving the gov more power and increasing gov intervention in most areas is a very big mistake in this country. We cannot set socialistic precidents in this country.  It was not what we were founded upon.
We need to follow our constitution and cut gov spending.  Our gov should work for the people and reps & dems alike are not adhering to constitutional principles.

Amen.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: shootfighter1 on May 20, 2008, 10:14:41 AM
240, I don't know why we aren't drilling but I know there is fierce opposition from the ultra-environmentalists and I have heard resistance from some democrats as well.  Many Independents & republicans are asking the gov to look into this again.
There's certainly suspicion that Bush could be favoring oil companies, 240, I don't doubt that.  However, the main opposition is from the far left environmentalists.  These bills come with so much pork that its hard to tell why things don't get passed.  A law needs to be passed outlawing earmarks and pork.  These are completely unacceptible.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: JBGRAY on May 20, 2008, 10:15:02 AM
I will not, but he would be a far better choice than the obviously senile Bush 3, er, McCain.  I'm in Florida, a key swing state, but I'll probably be voting 3rd party.

We are going broke, and yet we still have people within our government and media telling us our biggest issue are threats to Israel from shitpot countries. 
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 20, 2008, 10:17:13 AM
240, I don't know why we aren't drilling but I know there is fierce opposition from the ultra-environmentalists and I have hear resistance from some democrats as well.  Many Independents & republicans are asking the gov to look into this again.
There's certainly suspicion that Bush could be favoring oil companies, 240, I don't doubt that.  However, the main opposition is from the far left environmentalists.

They are powerless to stop Bush.  The left has been crying about his spending, his war march, for 5 years, and he gets on CNN and says "So?"

If Bush WANTED to dig for oil domestically, you can bet your ass he'd do it.

I don't see how you assign power to lib groups when Bush openly admits he'd still be in iraq if 99% of America was opposed to it.  You're saying he cares what ultra-lib groups think?
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: calmus on May 20, 2008, 10:21:33 AM

Technically, Bush gets more deference from other branches of government on the Iraq issue.  he wouldn't get near as much on domestic issues.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: shootfighter1 on May 20, 2008, 12:58:19 PM
I'm saying that he alone may not have enough power to change domestic drilling.  I think the opposition from the democrats and environmentalists are stronger than you think.
The real question is does he want to.  That I cannot answer and I admit I am suspicious about the connection to the oil companies as well.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: War-Horse on May 20, 2008, 04:08:40 PM
Bush did not raise taxes more than any other president.  Please reseach before you post here.

This war has cost us greatly...perhaps incalcuable #s.
  I do think the blame for this is placed on the administration and the poor intelligence gathered.  I'm with some of the dems on this one (although the majority of them voted to give Bush authorization to invade).

Taxation & regulation with its negative affect on our professional working people and small businesses is the main reason I absolutely cannot vote for Obama.  Giving the gov more power and increasing gov intervention in most areas is a very big mistake in this country.  Remember Obama may be president for 4-8 yrs but all that power is passed to the next administration as well.  We cannot set socialistic precidents in this country.  It was not what we were founded upon.
We need to follow our constitution and cut gov spending.  Our gov should work for the people and reps & dems alike are not adhering to constitutional principles.




Wrong.  How do you think that 5 trillion will be paid back?    Increased taxes are one way.   His spending spree is the largest in US history and we will hardly ever recover.......
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 20, 2008, 06:19:54 PM
They are powerless to stop Bush.  The left has been crying about his spending, his war march, for 5 years, and he gets on CNN and says "So?"

If Bush WANTED to dig for oil domestically, you can bet your ass he'd do it.

I don't see how you assign power to lib groups when Bush openly admits he'd still be in iraq if 99% of America was opposed to it.  You're saying he cares what ultra-lib groups think?

Completely agree.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 20, 2008, 06:22:23 PM
To me, it's a fairly easy choice.

4 more years of failed Bush/republican policies or a change in direction.

All this talk about a tax-happy Obama is nonsense.

The government is BORROWING more in our names than any tax proposed.

If Clinton could manage to balance the budget and start paying down the debt AFTER HE RAISED TAXES, why can't Obama do it as well.

Republicans treat government as a fire sale--privatize the commons, get rid of taxes and regulations and free lunches for all.

It's time to grow up, act like adults and pay our debts.

Problem is that every time a new tax is created for a specific outlet it never goes away..

.. even after the toll road is built
.. the program has ceased
.. the project finished
.. the funding spent

Once new taxes are created or current one raised liberals claw tooth and nail to protect it forever.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Brixtonbulldog on May 20, 2008, 06:24:55 PM
bush raised taxes higher than any president.

gasoline was $1.15 when that moron took office........$4.00 and still climbing.

THAT IS A TAX NEOCONS !

NT

Corporate greed is not a tax, moron.

You guys are seriously pathetic.  The whole point of this thread was about the future wallet picking Obama would persue but you, 240, and the rest can't help start crying about Bush.  He's LEAVING FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!  Your hatred clouds everything you post.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Eldon on May 20, 2008, 07:12:38 PM
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The whole point of this thread was about the future wallet picking Obama would persue but you, 240, and the rest can't help start crying about Bush.  Your hatred clouds everything you post.

Exactly !
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 20, 2008, 07:28:16 PM

We need to follow our constitution and cut gov spending.  Our gov should work for the people and reps & dems alike are not adhering to constitutional principles.

The people have turned to mush. Giving them back real responsibility for their own lives terrifies them. Its really quite disgusting.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 20, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
240, and the rest can't help start crying about Bush.  He's LEAVING FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!  Your hatred clouds everything you post.

he will spend $12 billion this month in Iraq.

Also in June, july, aug, sept, oct, nov, dec, and january.  $12 bil every month, and possibly more, as he's trying to sneak in a new war spending bill today before the kennedy news broke.

I think that's why ppl are still bitching. 
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Decker on May 21, 2008, 06:32:40 AM
Problem is that every time a new tax is created for a specific outlet it never goes away..

.. even after the toll road is built
.. the program has ceased
.. the project finished
.. the funding spent

Once new taxes are created or current one raised liberals claw tooth and nail to protect it forever.
Reagan, Clinton and Bush cut income taxes.  But that's a good point.  I would like to see the stats on how many taxes are repealed over the years.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 21, 2008, 06:48:20 AM
Anyone voting for Obama needs to look a little closer at just what that would really mean.

Apart from his ridiculous positions re: America's enemies and his willingness to meet and have tea with them, he's going to make us ALL pay...


gawd you really have your pannies in a bunch about a black dood being prez..  :-\

dont worry...ql-queda <cough neocons> will make sure of a minor attack on American soil to help mccain win by a landslide
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: headhuntersix on May 21, 2008, 07:52:56 AM
No I'm worried about some socialist asshole who says stuff like

We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times...and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK."

 We can't? Isn't this America?This guy will pander to the international community over  the rights of his own countrymen . He's a major danger...far worse then Bush. Who cares how we heat our homes. I'm sure Canadians aren't freezing...plenty of mid sized SUV's on German highways..plus driving at 90 million miles an hour burns a shit ton of gas. This guy is so full of shit.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: War-Horse on May 21, 2008, 08:20:21 AM
No I'm worried about some socialist asshole who says stuff like

We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times...and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK."

 We can't? Isn't this America?This guy will pander to the international community over  the rights of his own countrymen . He's a major danger...far worse then Bush. Who cares how we heat our homes. I'm sure Canadians aren't freezing...plenty of mid sized SUV's on German highways..plus driving at 90 million miles an hour burns a shit ton of gas. This guy is so full of shit.




People are being forced to buy smaller cars right now under the bush admin nightmare.

 People are being downsized at work right now under this bush admin.

  People are having trouble paying for increasing utility bills for cooling and heating right now under dictator bush. 

  People are having trouble paying for food right now under dictator bush.

Dont blame this on obama you stupid ass...its happening now.    Just cuz you live off of taxpayers money  (Just like welfare-ites)   you need to pay attention, grunt.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Decker on May 21, 2008, 08:25:16 AM
No I'm worried about some socialist asshole who says stuff like

We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times...and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK."

 We can't? Isn't this America?This guy will pander to the international community over  the rights of his own countrymen . He's a major danger...far worse then Bush. Who cares how we heat our homes. I'm sure Canadians aren't freezing...plenty of mid sized SUV's on German highways..plus driving at 90 million miles an hour burns a shit ton of gas. This guy is so full of shit.

He's asking for a modicum of sacrifice.  That's all.  It is sensible to conserve a high priced scarce commodity like petroleum.  If the US is going to stay on a petrol based energy course into the near future, he makes sense.

We can't keep living like irresponsible teenagers.  Bush's policies are the height of waste and irresponsiblity.  I see his 'stay the course' in national consumption more akin to a type of cancer rather than wise policy.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: youandme on May 21, 2008, 11:15:11 AM
No I'm worried about some socialist asshole who says stuff like

What about a few nights ago on his wife, he said something like "they will be sorry"

wtf?
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Dos Equis on May 21, 2008, 11:23:32 AM
No I'm worried about some socialist asshole who says stuff like

We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times...and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK."

 We can't? Isn't this America?This guy will pander to the international community over  the rights of his own countrymen . He's a major danger...far worse then Bush. Who cares how we heat our homes. I'm sure Canadians aren't freezing...plenty of mid sized SUV's on German highways..plus driving at 90 million miles an hour burns a shit ton of gas. This guy is so full of shit.


I pretty much agree.  Do not want this guy running the country. 
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Eldon on May 21, 2008, 11:49:52 AM
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No I'm worried about some socialist asshole who says stuff like

We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times...and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK."

 We can't? Isn't this America?This guy will pander to the international community over  the rights of his own countrymen . He's a major danger...far worse then Bush. Who cares how we heat our homes. I'm sure Canadians aren't freezing...plenty of mid sized SUV's on German highways..plus driving at 90 million miles an hour burns a shit ton of gas. This guy is so full of shit.

I agree 100 %
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 21, 2008, 12:29:39 PM


 We can't? Isn't this America?This guy will pander to the international community over  the rights of his own countrymen .

as opposed to getting his own countrymen killed for his personal ajenda  :-\
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: youandme on May 21, 2008, 01:03:09 PM
I agree 100 %

I'm at 110 %
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: shootfighter1 on May 21, 2008, 01:03:50 PM
The spending for this war, as I said, is astronomical and a big mistake.  You are absolutely right about Bush's spending policies.  They needed to be checked a long time ago.

However, increasing and adding taxes are different than $ that needs to be paid back for a war because the taxes could be perminant.

I think all politicians need to have subliminal messages send to them when they are resting..."Spend less of the taxpayers money...follow the constitution...think about the people instead of corporate profits...cut spending....cut spending...cut gov programs...trust the people's will...cut spending"
hahahaha!
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: a_joker10 on May 21, 2008, 01:20:39 PM
He's asking for a modicum of sacrifice.  That's all.  It is sensible to conserve a high priced scarce commodity like petroleum.  If the US is going to stay on a petrol based energy course into the near future, he makes sense.

We can't keep living like irresponsible teenagers.  Bush's policies are the height of waste and irresponsiblity.  I see his 'stay the course' in national consumption more akin to a type of cancer rather than wise policy.
Oil is cheaper then Water still. Bottled water will run you about 6.50 a gallon.Gass is around $4.75.

Bush can only veto bills. The congress and senate have decided not to have expanded drilling. This is an ongoing problem that Bush has no control over, he can lobby the senate and congress however they have to pass the bill, before the president can even look at it. The problem with no refineries being built has to do with state and national environmental laws.
I think many of you don't understand how your own government works.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/lawsmade.bysec/presidential.html

Spending go through the congress. If you have a complaint bring it up with your congressperson.

The Iraq war was passed by the Senate and Congress. Bush didn't act alone.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Decker on May 21, 2008, 01:39:12 PM
Oil is cheaper then Water still. Bottled water will run you about 6.50 a gallon.Gass is around $4.75.

Bush can only veto bills. The congress and senate have decided not to have expanded drilling. This is an ongoing problem that Bush has no control over, he can lobby the senate and congress however they have to pass the bill, before the president can even look at it. The problem with no refineries being built has to do with state and national environmental laws.
I think many of you don't understand how your own government works.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/lawsmade.bysec/presidential.html

Spending go through the congress. If you have a complaint bring it up with your congressperson.

The Iraq war was passed by the Senate and Congress. Bush didn't act alone.
That's all correct but when you have a rubberstamp congress for over 6 of the 8 years, that distinction you make loses relevance.

The president sets the national tone.  He sets the policies.  That's the way it is and always has been.

You forgot Bush's excessive signing statements where he literally rewrites the law just passed by Congress.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: a_joker10 on May 21, 2008, 01:50:43 PM
That's all correct but when you have a rubberstamp congress for over 6 of the 8 years, that distinction you make loses relevance.

The president sets the national tone.  He sets the policies.  That's the way it is and always has been.

You forgot Bush's excessive signing statements where he literally rewrites the law just passed by Congress.

The democrats have the senate and the congress now and instead of opening up drilling they made the environmental regulations for oil production even more stringent.

The supreme court interprets the laws. It just happens to be stacked with conservative judges.
In my opinion, anyone voting should be voting on judicial appointments. This has the largest impact in your daily life and the direction of the country. Governments are so bloated now they have a mind of their own and no political party can really clean them up, because of the employment laws.

Its the same reason spending is out of control.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Decker on May 21, 2008, 01:56:15 PM
The democrats have the senate and the congress now and instead of opening up drilling they made the environmental regulations for oil production even more stringent.

The supreme court interprets the laws. It just happens to be stacked with conservative judges.
In my opinion, anyone voting should be voting on judicial appointments. This has the largest impact in your daily life and the direction of the country. Governments are so bloated now they have a mind of their own and no political party can really clean them up, because of the employment laws.

Its the same reason spending is out of control.
Yeah I see what you mean.  I think there are no proper restrictions or guidelines for spending.  These politicians get re-elected b/c of the bacon/spending they bring home.  When a senator cries that he'll resign immediately if funding for his state's bridge to nowhere is cut, we have a big problem. 
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: headhuntersix on May 21, 2008, 01:58:50 PM


People are being forced to buy smaller cars right now under the bush admin nightmare.

 People are being downsized at work right now under this bush admin.

  People are having trouble paying for increasing utility bills for cooling and heating right now under dictator bush. 

  People are having trouble paying for food right now under dictator bush.

Dont blame this on obama you stupid ass...its happening now.    Just cuz you live off of taxpayers money  (Just like welfare-ites)   you need to pay attention, grunt.


How dare Obama ask me or anybody else to do shit. This guy has been riding the coattails of what many in this country have sacrificed for. My family has bled for the last 90 years so all of us can drive SUV's and enjoy AC. How dare this socialist piece of shit dictate to me what I can drive.  How dare he say we eat to much...fuck him. He wants to walk around at 120 lbs so be it..I'm having steak. I'm not giving my standard of living up so some asshole in the Sudan can waste petrol committing genocide. Its not America's fault life sucks elsewhere.  

Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: headhuntersix on May 21, 2008, 02:04:48 PM
Yeah I see what you mean.  I think there are no proper restrictions or guidelines for spending.  These politicians get re-elected b/c of the bacon/spending they bring home.  When a senator cries that he'll resign immediately if funding for his state's bridge to nowhere is cut, we have a big problem. 

Line item veto....if u have a defense bill...it should all be about defense period.

Besides my recent trip to Germany, here is some more of ur wasted tax dollars

HR 1147:  Congratulating the Northern Kentucky University women's basketball team

HR 305:  Recognizing the importance of bicycling

HR 1144:  Expressing support for a "Frank Sinatra Day"

HR 1152:  Honoring Arnold Palmer

HR 1074:  Honoring the anniversary of the Crazy Horse Memorial

I realize that Democrats are running the show in Congress but this is clearly bi-partisan ass-hattery.  The above bills were sponsored in order by:

Rep. Davis (R-KY), Rep. Blumenaur (D-OR), Rep. Serrano (D-NY), Rep. Ferguson (R-NJ) and Rep. Sandlin (D-SD)

Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: Dos Equis on May 21, 2008, 02:06:57 PM

How dare Obama ask me or anybody else to do shit. This guy has been riding the coattails of what many in this country have sacrificed for. My family has bled for the last 90 years so all of us can drive SUV's and enjoy AC. How dare this socialist piece of shit dictate to me what I can drive.  How dare he say we eat to much...fuck him. He wants to walk around at 120 lbs so be it..I'm having steak. I'm not giving my standard of living up so some asshole in the Sudan can waste petrol committing genocide. Its not America's fault life sucks elsewhere.  



lol.  Truth!   :)
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: headhuntersix on May 21, 2008, 02:11:29 PM
I want to get off gas...partly for our economy and partly because I want to see the looks on the faces of all those worthless raghead douchbags when they realize that they can't eat the oil. I'm all for hybrids, ethenol, whatever u have. But i won't be dictated to by a guy who rides around in massive armor plated SUV's and private jets. Its not even the SUV's...its the AC and food. Fuck him..the cow I'm going to eat tonight was an American cow...what am I supposed to give that cow to Kenya? 
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: a_joker10 on May 21, 2008, 02:19:37 PM
Line item veto....if u have a defense bill...it should all be about defense period.

Besides my recent trip to Germany, here is some more of ur wasted tax dollars

HR 1147:  Congratulating the Northern Kentucky University women's basketball team

HR 305:  Recognizing the importance of bicycling

HR 1144:  Expressing support for a "Frank Sinatra Day"

HR 1152:  Honoring Arnold Palmer

HR 1074:  Honoring the anniversary of the Crazy Horse Memorial

I realize that Democrats are running the show in Congress but this is clearly bi-partisan ass-hattery.  The above bills were sponsored in order by:

Rep. Davis (R-KY), Rep. Blumenaur (D-OR), Rep. Serrano (D-NY), Rep. Ferguson (R-NJ) and Rep. Sandlin (D-SD)



You can thank the conservative judges and Rudy Guilani for getting the Line Item veto removed.
That was one good thing that Clinton tried. At least it would have limited the pork barreling or made the president more responsible for it.
Title: Re: Anyone voting for Obama...........
Post by: headhuntersix on May 21, 2008, 02:19:55 PM
And thats fine...vote for Hil.  I'm not voting for mccain..I'm voting against Obama. U still have a slight choice.