Anyone voting for Obama...........

[240 is Back]

I love your spirit, but seriously... the dems have done very little in the last 15 months.  Their hands are tied.  Bush has veto power and the power of the pulpit.  All we're seeing is the snowball grow.  You can't borrow $4.5 trillion bucks and not expect the dollar confidence to plummet.  Everything we're seeing is a result of that.  Everyone started fleeing the dollar in 2003, it's why we hit Iraq- you do know that right?

it doesn't matter what you or I think on this issue.  In the last 2 special elections, repubs were crushed in places they should have creamed the dems.  It's going to be a huge change election in the fall. You can call the dems anything you wish, but they didn't hand $4.5 trillion to the war machine over the last 5 years.  Repubs did.

[Brixtonbulldog]

I love your spirit, but seriously... the dems have done very little in the last 15 months.  Their hands are tied.  Bush has veto power and the power of the pulpit.  All we're seeing is the snowball grow.  You can't borrow $4.5 trillion bucks and not expect the dollar confidence to plummet.  Everything we're seeing is a result of that.  Everyone started fleeing the dollar in 2003, it's why we hit Iraq- you do know that right?

it doesn't matter what you or I think on this issue.  In the last 2 special elections, repubs were crushed in places they should have creamed the dems.  It's going to be a huge change election in the fall. You can call the dems anything you wish, but they didn't hand $4.5 trillion to the war machine over the last 5 years.  Repubs did.

Do you have confidence that the dems wouldn't waste 4.5 trillion of taxpayer money and still have the cojones to increase taxes?

Didn't think so.

[240 is Back]

Do you have confidence that the dems wouldn't waste 4.5 trillion of taxpayer money and still have the cojones to increase taxes?

Didn't think so.

If they had been in power from 2000 on... I do not believe the dems would have attacked iraq, as Bush did. 

There was a surplus when Clinton left office.  The USA was making money.  We've borrowed 4.5 trillion (will be 5 trill when bush leaves office.)

We had only borrowed 4.5 trillion in the 90 years before that.   bush borrowed more than all other presidents before him - combined.

would the dems have borrowed 4.5 trillion?  Clinton example and common sense says no.

[Brixtonbulldog]

If they had been in power from 2000 on... I do not believe the dems would have attacked iraq, as Bush did. 

There was a surplus when Clinton left office.  The USA was making money.  We've borrowed 4.5 trillion (will be 5 trill when bush leaves office.)

We had only borrowed 4.5 trillion in the 90 years before that.   bush borrowed more than all other presidents before him - combined.

would the dems have borrowed 4.5 trillion?  Clinton example and common sense says no.

I'm not asking whether they would have attacked Iraq costing us 4.5 tril..

I'm asking whether or not you think democrats, if given 4.5 tril to use, wouldn't waste it and then ask for more in the form of higher taxes.

[240 is Back]

I'm not asking whether they would have attacked Iraq costing us 4.5 tril..

I'm asking whether or not you think democrats, if given 4.5 tril to use, wouldn't waste it and then ask for more.

No.

Clinton could have borrowed as much as he wanted.  He chose not to use it.  Instead, he came out ahead each year.  Bush is now up to $1 til PER YEAR.  I mean, that's nuts.  Clinton EARNED 300 bil his last year in office, I believe.  We were in the surplus. 

Remember, Bush wasn't given 4.5 tril to use.  He TOOK it.  He gave china deeds to US forest and roads for the $.

[MB_722]

He gave china deeds to US forest and roads for the $.

where is this written?

[calmus]

where is this written?

In the Book of Mormon.

[Brixtonbulldog]

No.

Clinton could have borrowed as much as he wanted.  He chose not to use it.  Instead, he came out ahead each year.  Bush is now up to $1 til PER YEAR.  I mean, that's nuts.  Clinton EARNED 300 bil his last year in office, I believe.  We were in the surplus. 

Remember, Bush wasn't given 4.5 tril to use.  He TOOK it.  He gave china deeds to US forest and roads for the $.

I don't think you trust dems with even $100 any more than I do but if you won't admit it just to spite me then alrighty.

As far as I can tell both dem candidates, especially Obama, would throw 4.5 tril down the toilet in a heartbeat then have the nerve to TAKE more in the form of higher taxes..  all to enlarge the massive gov't and bureaucracy, create another failed "program" or both.

[youandme]

And while you're at it learn more about the wonderful things the 2006 elected congress has helped to accomplish.  I'll give you an idea.. the largest hike in oil prices has occured in the last two years since the DEMS took office.

I'm not siding with any party bro.

America was very sad after the "first 100 days" when people were expecting change ~ does this word sound familiar? hmmm Obama.

[Bindare_Dundat]

If you look really closely, you can see the horse saying "Change"





I guess the sheep will be voting for Bahhhhrack OBahhhhma.

[youandme]

If you look really closely, you can see the horse saying "Change"





I guess the sheep will be voting for Bahhhhrack OBahhhhma.

lmao

haha good one

[Tre]

Anyone voting for Obama needs to look a little closer at just what that would really mean.

Apart from his ridiculous positions re: America's enemies and his willingness to meet and have tea with them, he's going to make us ALL pay...

Didn't Bush sit down with the North Koreans? 

[Hugo Chavez]

Voted for him twice.  I'm worried about having Obama look at every way possible to raise taxes.  I did hear some of those comments before, but that clip is alarming. 

You're right, we should probably just borrow more from China.

[240 is Back]

Didn't Bush sit down with the North Koreans? 

North Korea set off a nuke.
North Korea said they were going to destroy the usa.
North Korea fired off 6-8 ICBMs - missiles - at hawaii - on the 4th of july - at the very second a space shuttle launched.

How did we punish them for this act of war?


Bush paid them 1 million barrels of oil to stop attacking us.  Isn't that appeasement?  yes.

[OzmO]

How do we know the new dems will spend/waste 4 trillion?

Based on Clinton?

[Decker]

To me, it's a fairly easy choice.

4 more years of failed Bush/republican policies or a change in direction.

All this talk about a tax-happy Obama is nonsense.

The government is BORROWING more in our names than any tax proposed.

If Clinton could manage to balance the budget and start paying down the debt AFTER HE RAISED TAXES, why can't Obama do it as well.

Republicans treat government as a fire sale--privatize the commons, get rid of taxes and regulations and free lunches for all.

It's time to grow up, act like adults and pay our debts.

[240 is Back]

Clinton could have borrowed trillions.  Our economy was florishing and other nations would have LOVED lending to us.  However, he chose not to.

Bush borrowed 4.5 trillion.

Brix, you can scream about "what the dems would have done", but we have 8 years of evidence that given the chance, they didn't borrow trillions.  They actually made money by the end.  I doubt, in person with an audience, you'd claim the dems would blow 4 trillion bucks when clinton actually made $ at the end, but hey, I've seen people do sillier things. 

[shootfighter1]

Bush did not raise taxes more than any other president.  Please reseach before you post here.

This war has cost us greatly...perhaps incalcuable #s.  I do think the blame for this is placed on the administration and the poor intelligence gathered.  I'm with some of the dems on this one (although the majority of them voted to give Bush authorization to invade).

Taxation & regulation with its negative affect on our professional working people and small businesses is the main reason I absolutely cannot vote for Obama.  Giving the gov more power and increasing gov intervention in most areas is a very big mistake in this country.  Remember Obama may be president for 4-8 yrs but all that power is passed to the next administration as well.  We cannot set socialistic precidents in this country.  It was not what we were founded upon.
We need to follow our constitution and cut gov spending.  Our gov should work for the people and reps & dems alike are not adhering to constitutional principles.

[240 is Back]

some say that higher gas prices to subsidize record oil company profits is actually a consumption tax, with the monry first being filtered thru corporations before the govt getting their share.

it's a sneaky way to siphon the public treasury, and to hook you friends at exxon up first.

[shootfighter1]

I'd have to see real proof of that.

Most economists talk about the growing world economies and a vastly increased need for oil (particularly India & China)  When the demand is high, the oil producers can raise prices.
As I have said before, a fast and easy way to address this problem in the short term is environmentally conscious drilling in our own territories.  I blame the ultra-environmentalists for not allowing us to improve our current crisis.  That is a crime IMO.  People are hurting.

[240 is Back]

drilling in our own territories.  I blame the ultra-environmentalists for not allowing us to improve our current crisis. 

wait a second -

bush has owned white house and congress from 2000 thru 2006, and in 07/08 still vetoed anything meaningful that the dems presented.

So that means one of two things happened to prevent Bush from drilling here:

1) He cowered to powerless eco-groups.  After ignoring them on every issue where they marched by thousands, he cowered to them and didn't drill.  In this case, it's all his fault for not standing up to them when he had all legislation power.

2) He chose not to.  Much more realistic.  Much more profitable for war companies

So which do you think happened?  Do you think Bush caved to powerless liberals, or greedy corporations.  What's your guess?

[youandme]

Giving the gov more power and increasing gov intervention in most areas is a very big mistake in this country. We cannot set socialistic precidents in this country.  It was not what we were founded upon.
We need to follow our constitution and cut gov spending.  Our gov should work for the people and reps & dems alike are not adhering to constitutional principles.

Amen.

[shootfighter1]

240, I don't know why we aren't drilling but I know there is fierce opposition from the ultra-environmentalists and I have heard resistance from some democrats as well.  Many Independents & republicans are asking the gov to look into this again.
There's certainly suspicion that Bush could be favoring oil companies, 240, I don't doubt that.  However, the main opposition is from the far left environmentalists.  These bills come with so much pork that its hard to tell why things don't get passed.  A law needs to be passed outlawing earmarks and pork.  These are completely unacceptible.

[JBGRAY]

I will not, but he would be a far better choice than the obviously senile Bush 3, er, McCain.  I'm in Florida, a key swing state, but I'll probably be voting 3rd party.

We are going broke, and yet we still have people within our government and media telling us our biggest issue are threats to Israel from shitpot countries. 

[240 is Back]

240, I don't know why we aren't drilling but I know there is fierce opposition from the ultra-environmentalists and I have hear resistance from some democrats as well.  Many Independents & republicans are asking the gov to look into this again.
There's certainly suspicion that Bush could be favoring oil companies, 240, I don't doubt that.  However, the main opposition is from the far left environmentalists.

They are powerless to stop Bush.  The left has been crying about his spending, his war march, for 5 years, and he gets on CNN and says "So?"

If Bush WANTED to dig for oil domestically, you can bet your ass he'd do it.

I don't see how you assign power to lib groups when Bush openly admits he'd still be in iraq if 99% of America was opposed to it.  You're saying he cares what ultra-lib groups think?