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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Meltdown on May 28, 2008, 06:31:05 PM
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The Truth will come out and the very people you say he should apologise to will have to apologise to him. So when does he get his IFBB Pro card back - Pro Rep???.
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I spoke to Milos earlier in the year (at the Ironman)...he knows what is required if he were to want back in the IFBB. I've had not heard from him since that time....
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I spoke to Milos earlier in the year (at the Ironman)...he knows what is required if he were to want back in the IFBB. I've had not heard from him since that time....
chick does it get boring being only interested and only talking about things associated with bodybuilding. the falcon council of eldars are waiting for you to express a more enlightening intellectual perspective
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I spoke to Milos earlier in the year (at the Ironman)...he knows what is required if he were to want back in the IFBB. I've had not heard from him since that time....
What if "what is required" is unreasonable? Apologizing to a corrupt official for calling a spade a spade is not something an honorable man would do. Milos doesn't compete anymore; what does he care? He should tell the IFBB to take a flying leap.
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chick does it get boring being only interested and only talking about things associated with bodybuilding. the falcon council of eldars are waiting for you to express a more enlightening intellectual perspective
If you have a question...ask it.
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What if "what is required" is unreasonable? Apologizing to a corrupt official for calling a spade a spade is not something an honorable man would do. Milos doesn't compete anymore; what does he care? He should tell the IFBB to take a flying leap.
I agree...If I were in Milos' position, why would I care to have a pro card?
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Chick magnet, we need people like you, Milos, Lee, Shawn in the ifbb active. You all have unique personalities with great insight and knowledge. Milos is a great asset to the IFBB and bodybuilding in general.
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chick does it get boring being only interested and only talking about things associated with bodybuilding. the falcon council of eldars are waiting for you to express a more enlightening intellectual perspective
i don 't know chick, and don't necessarily agree with him often, but he has a family and golfs alot. sounds like more than just interested in bodybuilding.
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Is Milos even healed up yet? I remember he had a quad tear or something.
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I spoke to Milos earlier in the year (at the Ironman)...he knows what is required if he were to want back in the IFBB. I've had not heard from him since that time....
Why would a 44 year old, past his prime BBer want "back in the IFBB"??????????? ::) ::)
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I agree...If I were in Milos' position, why would I care to have a pro card?
Chick are you saying he is Finished as an IFBB Pro and therefore should reduce his training rate as he is no longer an IFBB Pro.And he should lose the Pro Blue stars.
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Chick are you saying he is Finished as an IFBB Pro and therefore should reduce his training rate as he is no longer an IFBB Pro.And he should lose the Pro Blue stars.
Milos has been retired from the stage for years now...he doesn't need the IFBB in front of his name to train people, or get them ready for a contest, or run a gym, or sell his supplements.
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No but being an IFBB Pro helps carry weight in the industry.You know that.
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No but being an IFBB Pro helps carry weight in the industry.You know that.
He won his pro card, everyone knows it, why would anyone care if he has a current one?
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No but being an IFBB Pro helps carry weight in the industry.You know that.
If you're not competing, you're pretty much a FORMER IFBB pro anyways...makes no difference.
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I guess as people age everyone becomes a former something.He says he will be back on an IFBB stage as a Pro he says he has made a promise to his daughter and also for Sonny so he will be getting his IFBB Pro card back.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mm.
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I guess as people age everyone becomes a former something.He says he will be back on an IFBB stage as a Pro he says he has made a promise to his daughter and also for Sonny so he will be getting his IFBB Pro card back.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mm.
cool...
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He won his pro card, everyone knows it, why would anyone care if he has a current one?
Milos did NOT WIN his pro card.
He wrote Ben Weider a letter in 1990-tossed in an 8x10-and asked if he could BE a pro because he won Mr. Small Tiny Nation With Population of 50K In Bumfuck Europe 8 years prior.
Milos entered the 1989 Cal, HvyWts, placed 5th in the class-6 months later he was a "Pro".
I should go that route.......just send Ben my pic and VIOLA-Pro status! ::)
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chick does it get boring being only interested and only talking about things associated with bodybuilding. the falcon council of eldars are waiting for you to express a more enlightening intellectual perspective
Once again...before talking so much about "enlightenment", you might wanna run a spell check. ;)
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Milos did NOT WIN his pro card.
He wrote Ben Weider a letter in 1990-tossed in an 8x10-and asked if he could BE a pro because he won Mr. Small Tiny Nation With Population of 50K In Bumfuck Europe 8 years prior.
Milos entered the 1989 Cal, HvyWts, placed 5th in the class-6 months later he was a "Pro".
I should go that route.......just send Ben my pic and VIOLA-Pro status! ::)
Wrong. http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?c=Universe+-+WPF&y=1989
1989 Universe - WPF, Light-HeavyWeight, 1st
Bashing on Milos is like climbing up the stairs of Philly's Museum of Art just to spit on Rocky's statue.
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Milos did NOT WIN his pro card.
He wrote Ben Weider a letter in 1990-tossed in an 8x10-and asked if he could BE a pro because he won Mr. Small Tiny Nation With Population of 50K In Bumfuck Europe 8 years prior.
Milos entered the 1989 Cal, HvyWts, placed 5th in the class-6 months later he was a "Pro".
I should go that route.......just send Ben my pic and VIOLA-Pro status! ::)
Yeah. Send Ben your pic. I'm sure you'll be placing 10th in the Olympia in a couple of years.
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Who wins while on top of their game.... Bob or Milos. Milos has better quad saparation, Bob has better sweep. Milos has awesome abs, Bobs are good, just unique. Bobs back is much stronger and they both have great broad clavicles and chests. Who wins?
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Chick wins because he has not Fuked his physique with SYNTHOL any Fukin fool who puts that shit in their body is a FUKTARD. ::)
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Milos has been retired from the stage for years now...he doesn't need the IFBB in front of his name to train people, or get them ready for a contest, or run a gym, or sell his supplements.
Milos said he promised his daughter to compete again. A promise is a promise and Milos intends to keep it! :D
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IFBB: watch out. giant set mania is coming for you!
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Wrong. http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?c=Universe+-+WPF&y=1989
1989 Universe - WPF, Light-HeavyWeight, 1st
Bashing on Milos is like climbing up the stairs of Philly's Museum of Art just to spit on Rocky's statue.
So Alex, are you saying if I have MY Mr. Universe show with three weight classes, and three people enter each class and then win- they are IFBB Pros (See how many people were in the WPF "Universe" Hvywt, Lgtwt and Mdlwt-1 person each class-Ohhoo, tough show!)????????????????????
The WPF was a one time joke-they are NOT a recognized organization and winning that shit DOES NOT entitle ANYONE to be an IFBB pro.
Tell me, does the NABBA Universe get IFBB Pros status ??? NO.
NABAA is 100 times better than that WPF bullshit.
BTW-how can someone WIN a "Mr. Universe" show and then a month later take 5th place in their weight class at the Cal ??????
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm.Great questions.
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what about wabba
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what about wabba
The IFBB nly lets in NCP and affiliated winners from the amatuer ranks.
That is why Jeff King, Tim Belknap, Glenn Kneer and many others never got pro cards.....
Don't get me wrong-Milos Sarcev turned out to be an excellent Pro BBer.
But to set facts straight-when he turned Pro in 1990 there were a number of better BBers at Gold's Gym San Diego alone. Plus when he turned pro Milos's arms were only 17.5 inches! If he had to come up thru the ranks like 99% of the rest did he would not have made it to the top-he literally by-passed 90% of the Pro qualifying competitions.
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Milos is outspoken and has his own opinion. I am interested to see if Milos did talk to Bob Chick regarding his IFBB Pro Card?
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The IFBB nly lets in NCP and affiliated winners from the amatuer ranks.
That is why Jeff King, Tim Belknap, Glenn Kneer and many others never got pro cards.....
Jeff King never got a pro card? Damn. He had a neck even bigger than Chad Mower's.
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Jeff King never got a pro card? Damn. He had a neck even bigger than Chad Mower's.
;D
Jeff King could have been Mr. Olympia, or in the top 3 easily.
Tim Belknap was "GIFTED" a pro card eventually, after failing to win the Universe/Worlds on his first attempt, and then failing to qualify for the Universe/Worlds the following 2 years after his first failure.
But, Belknap did not earn it.
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The IFBB nly lets in NCP and affiliated winners from the amatuer ranks.
That is why Jeff King, Tim Belknap, Glenn Kneer and many others never got pro cards.....
Don't get me wrong-Milos Sarcev turned out to be an excellent Pro BBer.
But to set facts straight-when he turned Pro in 1990 there were a number of better BBers at Gold's Gym San Diego alone. Plus when he turned pro Milos's arms were only 17.5 inches! If he had to come up thru the ranks like 99% of the rest did he would not have made it to the top-he literally by-passed 90% of the Pro qualifying competitions.
thats not what i was talking about at all.
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;D
Jeff King could have been Mr. Olympia, or in the top 3 easily.
Tim Belknap was "GIFTED" a pro card eventually, after failing to win the Universe/Worlds on his first attempt, and then failing to qualify for the Universe/Worlds the following 2 years after his first failure.
But, Belknap did not earn it.
belknap was an asshole and never in jeff kings league.
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I spoke to Milos earlier in the year (at the Ironman)...he knows what is required if he were to want back in the IFBB. I've had not heard from him since that time....
Bob, really - I don't remember you telling me solution for "what's required"...
Is it AGAIN same "let's play the game - don't ask don't tell" typicality - where I have to apologize to Paul Chua...or else...
With your help (as I was told) I can apologize without apologizing - "you know what I mean" type of game I was told to play...
You were going to help me with constructing the letter of apology - without really apologizing.... and I must tell you I already did that back than...before I was actually suspended - but it wasn't good enough... ::)
Year and a half ago I sent exactly that: letter of apology without directly apologizing to Mr. "I publicly admit that I was offered crazy amount of money to fix the scores time after time again - pretty much in every competition - but even in MANY occasions when my life was threatened - I refused to take the bribery! My ethics would absolutely not allow me to do such a dishonorable thing..."
My letter was so "good" - I was issued immediate suspension...
So Bob - as you know many great bodybuilding champions have returned on the IFBB pro stage...even Olympia stage...
What's more - example of Juliette Bergman is the best one...After 17 years of "retirement" she came back to WIN Ms. Olympia title...
Return of Vince Taylor at age of 50 and Francis Benfato (49) witnessed by me last year in Australia only confirmed what I already knew: once a bodybuilding competitor - always bodybuilding competitor...Both Vince and Francis were at their ALL TIME BEST!!!
Same goes for Gary Strydom and God knows how many more of our colleagues.
Persistence is a synonym of bodybuilder/competitor...and who knows that better than you (In reference of your 14 years PRO CARD attempts...I bet you if you didn't win that USA Championships - you would continue...even to this day - if you had to...).
So, I am certainly NOT RETIRED - absolutely not...
I really wanted to surprise everyone and enter 2006 Grand Prix of Romania...and unfortunately - I didn't...but than I was interested to compete at 2007 Arnold...You should know some details...as bodybuilding.com owner at the time called me personally with business proposal (taping my comeback...) with exception that first I just have to do little formality..."just apologize to Paul and we are on the way..."
Ultimately - I had Jim Lorimer himself - calling me and letting me know how excited he is to invite me back...but there is ONE THING I have to do first...I completely understand that Jim could not invite me if I am suspended - and I very much appreciated his sincere effort - but my apology letter just wasn't good enough...
I am very interested to say the least - how will you manage to overcome "what's required"...
I didn't contact you until now - as I simply didn't think that you could really help me with it...But as you are letting me and everyone else know - I can't wait to start...
What do you need from me?
Apology of some kind?
OK, I apologize to Paul I came and witnessed his "operation". I should have stayed here in California. My sincere apologies Mr. Paul."
Good enough?
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Pathetic BBing world....
We fans want to see this Milos The mad Sarcev on stage....
Without us(fans), NO MONEY, NO federation shit.
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Rick S deserved a Card before Mishko
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Wow Milos laying down the smack.Chick says this and that but Milos hasn't heard from Chick.Someones not all together telling the Truth Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.I FBB have Rules for some and not for others. ::)
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Who's "Milos"?
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I spoke to Milos earlier in the year (at the Ironman)...he knows what is required if he were to want back in the IFBB. I've had not heard from him since that time....
Hypothetical question:
If Clifton Torres or that old guy that does one Pro show every year (you know the guy with the toupe) somehow had their Pro Cards revoked, could they get it back?
And come on, don't bullshit me. 8)
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Hypothetical question:
If Clifton Torres or that old guy that does one Pro show every year (you know the guy with the toupe) somehow had their Pro Cards revoked, could they get it back?
And come on, don't bullshit me. 8)
Pro cards are not revoked, they are suspended.
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Who's "Milos"?
Your worst nightmare Sissy! ;D
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I spoke to Milos earlier in the year (at the Ironman)...he knows what is required if he were to want back in the IFBB. I've had not heard from him since that time....
Bob, really - I don't remember you telling me solution for "what's required"...
Is it AGAIN same "let's play the game - don't ask don't tell" typicality - where I have to apologize to Paul Chua...or else...
With your help (as I was told) I can apologize without apologizing - "you know what I mean" type of game I was told to play...
You were going to help me with constructing the letter of apology - without really apologizing.... and I must tell you I already did that back than...before I was actually suspended - but it wasn't good enough... Roll Eyes
Year and a half ago I sent exactly that: letter of apology without directly apologizing to Mr. "I publicly admit that I was offered crazy amount of money to fix the scores time after time again - pretty much in every competition - but even in MANY occasions when my life was threatened - I refused to take the bribery! My ethics would absolutely not allow me to do such a dishonorable thing..."
My letter was so "good" - I was issued immediate suspension...
So Bob - as you know many great bodybuilding champions have returned on the IFBB pro stage...even Olympia stage...
What's more - example of Juliette Bergman is the best one...After 17 years of "retirement" she came back to WIN Ms. Olympia title...
Return of Vince Taylor at age of 50 and Francis Benfato (49) witnessed by me last year in Australia only confirmed what I already knew: once a bodybuilding competitor - always bodybuilding competitor...Both Vince and Francis were at their ALL TIME BEST!!!
Same goes for Gary Strydom and God knows how many more of our colleagues.
Persistence is a synonym of bodybuilder/competitor...and who knows that better than you (In reference of your 14 years PRO CARD attempts...I bet you if you didn't win that USA Championships - you would continue...even to this day - if you had to...).
So, I am certainly NOT RETIRED - absolutely not...
I really wanted to surprise everyone and enter 2006 Grand Prix of Romania...and unfortunately - I didn't...but than I was interested to compete at 2007 Arnold...You should know some details...as bodybuilding.com owner at the time called me personally with business proposal (taping my comeback...) with exception that first I just have to do little formality..."just apologize to Paul and we are on the way..."
Ultimately - I had Jim Lorimer himself - calling me and letting me know how excited he is to invite me back...but there is ONE THING I have to do first...I completely understand that Jim could not invite me if I am suspended - and I very much appreciated his sincere effort - but my apology letter just wasn't good enough...
I am very interested to say the least - how will you manage to overcome "what's required"...
I didn't contact you until now - as I simply didn't think that you could really help me with it...But as you are letting me and everyone else know - I can't wait to start...
What do you need from me?
Apology of some kind?
OK, I apologize to Paul I came and witnessed his "operation". I should have stayed here in California. My sincere apologies Mr. Paul."
Good enough?
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Bob, really - I don't remember you telling me solution for "what's required"...
Is it AGAIN same "let's play the game - don't ask don't tell" typicality - where I have to apologize to Paul Chua...or else...
With your help (as I was told) I can apologize without apologizing - "you know what I mean" type of game I was told to play...
You were going to help me with constructing the letter of apology - without really apologizing.... and I must tell you I already did that back than...before I was actually suspended - but it wasn't good enough... Roll Eyes
Year and a half ago I sent exactly that: letter of apology without directly apologizing to Mr. "I publicly admit that I was offered crazy amount of money to fix the scores time after time again - pretty much in every competition - but even in MANY occasions when my life was threatened - I refused to take the bribery! My ethics would absolutely not allow me to do such a dishonorable thing..."
My letter was so "good" - I was issued immediate suspension...
So Bob - as you know many great bodybuilding champions have returned on the IFBB pro stage...even Olympia stage...
What's more - example of Juliette Bergman is the best one...After 17 years of "retirement" she came back to WIN Ms. Olympia title...
Return of Vince Taylor at age of 50 and Francis Benfato (49) witnessed by me last year in Australia only confirmed what I already knew: once a bodybuilding competitor - always bodybuilding competitor...Both Vince and Francis were at their ALL TIME BEST!!!
Same goes for Gary Strydom and God knows how many more of our colleagues.
Persistence is a synonym of bodybuilder/competitor...and who knows that better than you (In reference of your 14 years PRO CARD attempts...I bet you if you didn't win that USA Championships - you would continue...even to this day - if you had to...).
So, I am certainly NOT RETIRED - absolutely not...
I really wanted to surprise everyone and enter 2006 Grand Prix of Romania...and unfortunately - I didn't...but than I was interested to compete at 2007 Arnold...You should know some details...as bodybuilding.com owner at the time called me personally with business proposal (taping my comeback...) with exception that first I just have to do little formality..."just apologize to Paul and we are on the way..."
Ultimately - I had Jim Lorimer himself - calling me and letting me know how excited he is to invite me back...but there is ONE THING I have to do first...I completely understand that Jim could not invite me if I am suspended - and I very much appreciated his sincere effort - but my apology letter just wasn't good enough...
I am very interested to say the least - how will you manage to overcome "what's required"...
I didn't contact you until now - as I simply didn't think that you could really help me with it...But as you are letting me and everyone else know - I can't wait to start...
What do you need from me?
Apology of some kind?
OK, I apologize to Paul I came and witnessed his "operation". I should have stayed here in California. My sincere apologies Mr. Paul."
Good enough?
Milos you seem like a very sharp guy.......why are you pulling a "Lee Priest"?
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Since the bribery still goes on. Ultimately was it worth it to lose your pro card and nothing happen to him??
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How sad when a Pro says his Rep is not doing his Job of helping the Pros.Sounds like a great job with plenty of perks and not much work.Milos is not Stupid he knows what he saw and he knows now what goes on in the IFBB.This guy should blow them out of the water.Prove to Chick he's not DONE.hMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM .
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Bob, really - I don't remember you telling me solution for "what's required"...
Is it AGAIN same "let's play the game - don't ask don't tell" typicality - where I have to apologize to Paul Chua...or else...
With your help (as I was told) I can apologize without apologizing - "you know what I mean" type of game I was told to play...
You were going to help me with constructing the letter of apology - without really apologizing.... and I must tell you I already did that back than...before I was actually suspended - but it wasn't good enough... ::)
Year and a half ago I sent exactly that: letter of apology without directly apologizing to Mr. "I publicly admit that I was offered crazy amount of money to fix the scores time after time again - pretty much in every competition - but even in MANY occasions when my life was threatened - I refused to take the bribery! My ethics would absolutely not allow me to do such a dishonorable thing..."
My letter was so "good" - I was issued immediate suspension...
So Bob - as you know many great bodybuilding champions have returned on the IFBB pro stage...even Olympia stage...
What's more - example of Juliette Bergman is the best one...After 17 years of "retirement" she came back to WIN Ms. Olympia title...
Return of Vince Taylor at age of 50 and Francis Benfato (49) witnessed by me last year in Australia only confirmed what I already knew: once a bodybuilding competitor - always bodybuilding competitor...Both Vince and Francis were at their ALL TIME BEST!!!
Same goes for Gary Strydom and God knows how many more of our colleagues.
Persistence is a synonym of bodybuilder/competitor...and who knows that better than you (In reference of your 14 years PRO CARD attempts...I bet you if you didn't win that USA Championships - you would continue...even to this day - if you had to...).
So, I am certainly NOT RETIRED - absolutely not...
I really wanted to surprise everyone and enter 2006 Grand Prix of Romania...and unfortunately - I didn't...but than I was interested to compete at 2007 Arnold...You should know some details...as bodybuilding.com owner at the time called me personally with business proposal (taping my comeback...) with exception that first I just have to do little formality..."just apologize to Paul and we are on the way..."
Ultimately - I had Jim Lorimer himself - calling me and letting me know how excited he is to invite me back...but there is ONE THING I have to do first...I completely understand that Jim could not invite me if I am suspended - and I very much appreciated his sincere effort - but my apology letter just wasn't good enough...
I am very interested to say the least - how will you manage to overcome "what's required"...
I didn't contact you until now - as I simply didn't think that you could really help me with it...But as you are letting me and everyone else know - I can't wait to start...
What do you need from me?
Apology of some kind?
OK, I apologize to Paul I came and witnessed his "operation". I should have stayed here in California. My sincere apologies Mr. Paul."
Good enough?
I remember exactly where and when the conversation took place, outside in the lobby area immediately following the show....we talked briefly, You told me you had no intention of apologizing....ever. I told you how it could be handled....and to contact me if you needed my assistance in the matter. To this date, I havent heard from you. What part of that isn't correct?
You have my number, you have my email...if you truly wish to be reinstated, then I would suggest contacting me to let me know...
I'm not interested in the drama of the board, or people that have nothing to do with the situation....
Let me know...
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Other than Dennis MR O Wolfffffff , Milos looks better than any of these other bloated monsters and thats GH15 Approved :D
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Bob, I say let Milos back in.........it's not like he's going to be sprinting or anything ;D
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Milos is just Smart enough to cause some pain to the IFBB and the dude has a huge following.Is he the Man to lead Pro BB to bigger cash prizes???.
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Milos, Lee and others need to join forces to make shit happen!
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I remember exactly where and when the conversation took place, outside in the lobby area immediately following the show....we talked briefly, You told me you had no intention of apologizing....ever. I told you how it could be handled....and to contact me if you needed my assistance in the matter. To this date, I havent heard from you. What part of that isn't correct?
You have my number, you have my email...if you truly wish to be reinstated, then I would suggest contacting me to let me know...
I'm not interested in the drama of the board, or people that have nothing to do with the situation....
Let me know...
Chick, I need your home number and email, I need you to "make things happen" for me in the IFBB.
Please PM me the info, thanks.
JV
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Persistence is a synonym of bodybuilder/competitor...and who knows that better than you (In reference of your 14 years PRO CARD attempts.
BANG.
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What a Kick in the Nuts for the IFBB if Milos was the Pros Rep.Now that would be a guy who would Fix Shit.Milos get your card back and become the Pros Rep.
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Apology of some kind?
OK, I apologize to Paul I came and witnessed his "operation". I should have stayed here in California. My sincere apologies Mr. Paul."
There you have it Chick.
Ball's in your court Chick-make things happen-OK.
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IFBB = TAX FREE DOLLARS.But don't tell anyone.
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IFBB = TAX FREE DOLLARS.But don't tell anyone.
yeah dont tell anyone.
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As a member of other Orgs a member has the right to ask for a financial report and see how much money the org has made.Who here thinks any IFBB Pros have ever seen a IFBB financial report.???
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As a member of other Orgs a member has the right to ask for a financial report and see how much money the org has made.Who here thinks any IFBB Pros have ever seen a IFBB financial report.???
better to use toilet paper
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NEWS today (via email):
How did Qatar get back?
After Qatar bodybuilding federation was banned for 18 months cause one of their bodybuilders failed the doping test in the 2007 Asian bodybuilding Championship; the officials of Qatar federation tried their best to solve the problem but cause Bahrain had already paid more money than Qatar to Paul Chua in 2007and made promises to pay more in the upcoming World championship in Bahrain, Paul refused to reinstate the Qatar team.
Later on; the Qatar officials paid a visit to Rafael Santonja and presented all the money transactions & telex transfer to Mr. Chua in the previous years and explained the situation.
The result was that Paul Chua was forced to reinstate the whole team; including the doped athlete who on the other hand did two sanctioned shows without adhering to the rules and who was banned for life initially.
Paul was interrogated by the Interpol and went to prison for six days in that process. Words are out that he will be removed soon; or so to say will retire.
Another Paul Chua Scandal
The Bahrain bodybuilding federation has been in very good terms with Paul Chua; in other words has been paying him generously.
After one of their athletes tested positive in the last world bodybuilding championship and despite the two years banned that he was sentenced after the B sample test; Bahrain was able to get their athlete back through the influence of Chua by referencing to a test sheet from a lab in Belgium that was so called “WADA approved lab for testing supplements” and proclaiming that the supplement that was taking was contaminated with a banned substance.
In the attachment you can see that the only WADA certified lab is the lab in Gent University; which the Director himself denied all the statement referencing to his lab. IFBB has signed an agreement to follow the WADA rules but so far with Chua in the equation, it is not happening
AntiABBF
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Wow Milos and this is the guy you have to say SORRY to how does that make you feel??It seems he doesn't have long and his bank balance will be a little lighter once removed from BB.Is this when you will get your Pro card back and go for that IFBB Pro Rep job??Fuk would that be a Kick in the Nuts for them I say if you get voted in by the Pros they the IFBB will eliminate that position.No Fukin way would they allow you to be the Pro Rep.So are you up to it??.
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Who would want back in the IFBB or to be pro rep??
Pro rep doesn't pay anything-so why do it?? Except to be a kiss ass.
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Who would want back in the IFBB or to be pro rep??
Pro rep doesn't pay anything-so why do it?? Except to be a kiss ass.
Great point but do you think they the IFBB would except Milos as Pros Rep I Fukin doubt it.
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I remember exactly where and when the conversation took place, outside in the lobby area immediately following the show....we talked briefly, You told me you had no intention of apologizing....ever. I told you how it could be handled....and to contact me if you needed my assistance in the matter. To this date, I havent heard from you. What part of that isn't correct?
You have my number, you have my email...if you truly wish to be reinstated, then I would suggest contacting me to let me know...
I'm not interested in the drama of the board, or people that have nothing to do with the situation....
Let me know...
Milos, contact Bob, get reinstated and less of the drama, you owe it to your fans! :D
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NEWS today (via email):
How did Qatar get back?
After Qatar bodybuilding federation was banned for 18 months cause one of their bodybuilders failed the doping test in the 2007 Asian bodybuilding Championship; the officials of Qatar federation tried their best to solve the problem but cause Bahrain had already paid more money than Qatar to Paul Chua in 2007and made promises to pay more in the upcoming World championship in Bahrain, Paul refused to reinstate the Qatar team.
Later on; the Qatar officials paid a visit to Rafael Santonja and presented all the money transactions & telex transfer to Mr. Chua in the previous years and explained the situation.
The result was that Paul Chua was forced to reinstate the whole team; including the doped athlete who on the other hand did two sanctioned shows without adhering to the rules and who was banned for life initially.
Paul was interrogated by the Interpol and went to prison for six days in that process. Words are out that he will be removed soon; or so to say will retire.
Another Paul Chua Scandal
The Bahrain bodybuilding federation has been in very good terms with Paul Chua; in other words has been paying him generously.
After one of their athletes tested positive in the last world bodybuilding championship and despite the two years banned that he was sentenced after the B sample test; Bahrain was able to get their athlete back through the influence of Chua by referencing to a test sheet from a lab in Belgium that was so called “WADA approved lab for testing supplements” and proclaiming that the supplement that was taking was contaminated with a banned substance.
In the attachment you can see that the only WADA certified lab is the lab in Gent University; which the Director himself denied all the statement referencing to his lab. IFBB has signed an agreement to follow the WADA rules but so far with Chua in the equation, it is not happening
AntiABBF
Milos will NOT say Sorry to Mr Chua.So No IFBB Pro card.Does Titus still have his card.??
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Wow Milos and this is the guy you have to say SORRY to how does that make you feel??It seems he doesn't have long and his bank balance will be a little lighter once removed from BB.Is this when you will get your Pro card back and go for that IFBB Pro Rep job??Fuk would that be a Kick in the Nuts for them I say if you get voted in by the Pros they the IFBB will eliminate that position.No Fukin way would they allow you to be the Pro Rep.So are you up to it??.
Am I up to it?
What do you think "Melty"?
I will be back in the IFBB...and Olympia stage ;)...as competitor...one of these (or at least those...) days...When I decide - it is time to have little more fun.
I have found the way to awake "muscle memory" in no time - so I know how much time I need to be back in shape...So, when the time comes - I will start preparing...Right now I see training as wasting valuable time, energy, calories...etc...so I stopped training all together for over 4 months - and I am having a blast...
No Fuk'n way they allow me to be Pro Rep?
How about PRESIDENT of the Federation?
;)
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Am I up to it?
What do you think "Melty"?
I will be back in the IFBB...and Olympia stage ;)...as competitor...one of these (or at least those...) days...When I decide - it is time to have little more fun.
I have found the way to awake "muscle memory" in no time - so I know how much time I need to be back in shape...So, when the time comes - I will start preparing...Right now I see training as wasting valuable time, energy, calories...etc...so I stopped training all together for over 4 months - and I am having a blast...
No Fuk'n way they allow me to be Pro Rep?
How about PRESIDENT of the Federation?
;)
Well. Hurry!
Your time is almost up!
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Am I up to it?
What do you think "Melty"?
I will be back in the IFBB...and Olympia stage ;)...as competitor...one of these (or at least those...) days...When I decide - it is time to have little more fun.
I have found the way to awake "muscle memory" in no time - so I know how much time I need to be back in shape...So, when the time comes - I will start preparing...Right now I see training as wasting valuable time, energy, calories...etc...so I stopped training all together for over 4 months - and I am having a blast...
No Fuk'n way they allow me to be Pro Rep?
How about PRESIDENT of the Federation?
;)
Like putting on 40lbs of muscle in a month?
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BANG.
BANG what? The real question is would Milos be a pro if he would or could have went the NPC Route. Good physique no doubt, but he's always had a problem with conditioning. If he would have been in the NPC in 89' he might not have ever turned pro. I say no way, at least not in 89'
http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_year&ContestYearID=246
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BANG what? The real question is would Milos be a pro if he would or could have went the NPC Route. Good physique no doubt, but he's always had a problem with conditioning. If he would have been in the NPC in 89' he might not have ever turned pro. I say no way, at least not in 89'
http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_year&ContestYearID=246
Milos was IN the NPC in 89, he went on the 89 Cal, took 5th place in the HVYWTS.
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No Fuk'n way they allow me to be Pro Rep?
How about PRESIDENT of the Federation?
;)
Why not, anything is possible with insulin and pharmaceutical aminos.
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Am I up to it?
What do you think "Melty"?
I will be back in the IFBB...and Olympia stage ;)...as competitor...one of these (or at least those...) days...When I decide - it is time to have little more fun.
I have found the way to awake "muscle memory" in no time - so I know how much time I need to be back in shape...So, when the time comes - I will start preparing...Right now I see training as wasting valuable time, energy, calories...etc...so I stopped training all together for over 4 months - and I am having a blast...
No Fuk'n way they allow me to be Pro Rep?
How about PRESIDENT of the Federation?
;)
Truth from Milos a dude who knows his place.
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Chick you Got Priest back in Now see what you can do for poor old Milos.
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Chick, I'm curious to know your position on Nasser's IFBB membership after his tell-all book is out; stories about the drugs and sleaze he's witnessed and taken part of; during his competitive years in the professional bodybuilding events. Will this book cause a suspension to his membership?
In comparison to Milos, Nasser is a blowing the same whistle, and have written statements about many American pro-competitors, organizers, and events that took place in the US. He's already made written and spoken statements on this site and on radio interviews; yet still has his IFBB status. Milos on the otherhand, witnessed unjust ruling that took place overseas involving one non-American IFBB official, yet he gets suspended for not apologizing; even without a complete thorough investigation supported by the IFBB committee. The only difference is that Milos is trying to defend and protect all pro and amateur level bodybuilders and the industry; and Nasser is exposing the industry and everyone in it.
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Like putting on 40lbs of muscle in a month?
Off course...
Wonder what is like knowing about human physiology, anatomy, pharmacology, clinical and sports nutrition...? ;)
You know - you can get paid a lot of money (per hour ;D...or otherwise) IF you actually KNOW something...
You can still hire me...I'll do more in a week for you than two years doing things - as always (the Coach Way)...
Small price to pay - Dambo... ;)
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Why not, anything is possible with insulin and pharmaceutical aminos.
Well, here is at least someone who actually knows what he is talking about...
YES, INSULIN + SPECIFIC AMINOS = MORE MUSCLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE...in a hurry... ;)
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Milos was IN the NPC in 89, he went on the 89 Cal, took 5th place in the HVYWTS.
That's right...and week before I was 2nd as a heavyweight at Orange County...and week later won the heavyweight and the OVERALL NPC COASTAL-ATLANTIC STATES...
Week later I entered and won NPC Las Vegas...(heavyweight and the Overall)....
My pathetic little coach....Live in your world of could-a, would-a, should-a...
Did you skip the part where:
1- I qualified for the Mr. Olympia in my IFBB PRO DEBUT?
2- Qualify for the Mr. Olympia - my first 10 consecutive years...?
3- List of great IFBB/NPC Champions I managed to beat in my career...?
On another hand - you have accomplished...what exactly?
;)
It must be good to be The Coach...and have no clue about coaching...as it shows...
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Chick, I'm curious to know your position on Nasser's IFBB membership after his tell-all book is out; stories about the drugs and sleaze he's witnessed and taken part of; during his competitive years in the professional bodybuilding events. Will this book cause a suspension to his membership?
In comparison to Milos, Nasser is a blowing the same whistle, and have written statements about many American pro-competitors, organizers, and events that took place in the US. He's already made written and spoken statements on this site and on radio interviews; yet still has his IFBB status. Milos on the otherhand, witnessed unjust ruling that took place overseas involving one non-American IFBB official, yet he gets suspended for not apologizing; even without a complete thorough investigation supported by the IFBB committee. The only difference is that Milos is trying to defend and protect all pro and amateur level bodybuilders and the industry; and Nasser is exposing the industry and everyone in it.
Well...at least someone realizes..
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Chick, I'm curious to know your position on Nasser's IFBB membership after his tell-all book is out; stories about the drugs and sleaze he's witnessed and taken part of; during his competitive years in the professional bodybuilding events. Will this book cause a suspension to his membership?
In comparison to Milos, Nasser is a blowing the same whistle, and have written statements about many American pro-competitors, organizers, and events that took place in the US. He's already made written and spoken statements on this site and on radio interviews; yet still has his IFBB status. Milos on the otherhand, witnessed unjust ruling that took place overseas involving one non-American IFBB official, yet he gets suspended for not apologizing; even without a complete thorough investigation supported by the IFBB committee. The only difference is that Milos is trying to defend and protect all pro and amateur level bodybuilders and the industry; and Nasser is exposing the industry and everyone in it.
Cant suspend someone who isn't a member in the club...
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Well, here is at least someone who actually knows what he is talking about...
YES, INSULIN + SPECIFIC AMINOS = MORE MUSCLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE...in a hurry... ;)
How much muscle have the pros you've worked with recently put on with your help? Like Johnnie Jackson and Kamali? Did they come in at their career biggest with your help?
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Chick you Got Priest back in Now see what you can do for poor old Milos.
Melty, stop worrying about poor old Milos...I am half way there - even without trying...
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How much muscle have the pros you've worked with recently put on with your help? Like Johnnie Jackson and Kamali? Did they come in at their career biggest with your help?
I think Hide got the most drastic changes I have seen in the pros (with the exeption of Kai)
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Hey Milos my old freind , how are things..... if I stop by the colloseum and ask for you will you come out to greet me ?
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How much muscle have the pros you've worked with recently put on with your help? Like Johnnie Jackson and Kamali? Did they come in at their career biggest with your help?
1- How much muscle? Just take a good look and try to guess.
2- Yes, EXACTLY - after just few months with me - they did come in their career biggest - AS EVERYONE ELSE I have helped since 1995 - starting with exactly: "POS" Nasser...
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Hey Milos my old freind , how are things..... if I stop by the colloseum and ask for you will you come out to greet me ?
Jae - off course I will...
If I have the time - I'll take you for lunch.
When are you coming Mabantot-Utot-Miramang-Culangot...(Well, minus spelling...)
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Jae - off course I will...
If I have the time - I'll take you for lunch.
When are you coming Mabantot-Utot-Miramang-Culangot...(Well, minus spelling...)
Not till the end of July ....
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Jae - off course I will...
If I have the time - I'll take you for lunch.
When are you coming Mabantot-Utot-Miramang-Culangot...(Well, minus spelling...)
Hey, Milos. what would you profit by getting back into the IFBB?....be honest
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1- How much muscle? Just take a good look and try to guess.
2- Yes, EXACTLY - after just few months with me - they did come in their career biggest - AS EVERYONE ELSE I have helped since 1995 - starting with exactly: "POS" Nasser...
I do not know what Johnnie weighed exactly, didn't seem bigger than before honestly. But maybe he was? Do you still work with him? I read that he's doing a powerlifting meet shortly.
Kamali has been bigger I'm sure. At least visually his bodyparts have been bigger.
BTW Milos, how much Viagra would you recommend before workouts?
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Not till the end of July ....
Make sure you check with me...It is summer vacation for my daughter...so I might travel...
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BTW Milos, how much Viagra would you recommend before workouts?
??? ??? ??? what
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i want to know how much viagra before a workout too im going to get some of that stuff.... fuck n.o. explode !!! LOL
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??? ??? ??? what
I guarantee you Milos has explored this drug to the fullest. Think "hyperemia". What was Hide caught with?
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I do not know what Johnnie weighed exactly, didn't seem bigger than before honestly. But maybe he was? Do you still work with him? I read that he's doing a powerlifting meet shortly.
Kamali has been bigger I'm sure. At least visually his bodyparts have been bigger.
BTW Milos, how much Viagra would you recommend before workouts?
Johnnie is delighted with his progress - and he is BY FAR BIGGER than ever (compare his 2007 early shows to later shows - Canada, Atlantic City and Olympia...)
Yes, I still work with him and he IS doing powerlifting meet in July!
How much Viagra I recommend before the workouts?
Exactly the same as AFTER.....
Yes, that would be ZILCH, ZERO...
Why would anyone spend so much for training when you can get variety of NO products for fraction of the coast?
Next, why would you need additional vasodilatation when HYPEREMIA always occur with intense training - ANYWAY....
Again, you guys think so superficially - it's not even funny...but than again - what do I know?
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I guarantee you Milos has explored this drug to the fullest. Think "hyperemia".
a lot of my friend use cialis every 3 days to get a pump
I am scared of the dick drugs, i prefer not taking those things ;D
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Johnnie is delighted with his progress - and he is BY FAR BIGGER than ever (compare his 2007 early shows to later shows - Canada, Atlantic City and Olympia...)
Yes, I still work with him and he IS doing powerlifting meet in July!
How much Viagra I recommend before the workouts?
Exactly the same as AFTER.....
Yes, that would be ZILCH, ZERO...
Why would anyone spend so much for training when you can get variety of NO products for fraction of the coast?
Next, why would you need additional vasodilatation when HYPEREMIA always occur with intense training - ANYWAY....
Again, you guys think so superficially - it's not even funny...but than again - what do I know?
if hyperemia always occurs then why buy your products ?
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How much Viagra I recommend before the workouts?
Exactly the same as AFTER.....
Yes, that would be ZILCH, ZERO...
Why would anyone spend so much for training when you can get variety of NO products for fraction of the coast?
Next, why would you need additional vasodilatation when HYPEREMIA always occur with intense training - ANYWAY....
Again, you guys think so superficially - it's not even funny...but than again - what do I know?
Stop the BS Milos! :D Why inject insulin when a carb and protein shake shoots insulin sky high anyway? Same logic :D
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if hyperemia always occurs then why buy your products ?
LOL
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Hey, Milos. what would you profit by getting back into the IFBB?....be honest
Why would I profit...and why is that important?
I am proud member of the IFBB - who has entered 72 IFBB professional shows, qualifying for Mr. Olympia ten consecutive times.
I am also IFBB PRO CHAMPION - something that is not so common among the pros (to actually WIN the contest)...
I acted in BEST BEHALF OF IFBB ATHLETES from Asia - as I was reported and than witnessed the biggest travesty in the sport.
For that - I am penalized?
Does actually someone THINKS about it?
I have lost my Weider contract, Gym contract (official gym for Flex magazine for 5 years...), IFBB pro card, some scheduled appearances (like last year in Japan - when promoter was called that IF I appear at the contest - hell will break...)...
but I haven't lost my HONOR and PRIDE...
I know the truth...and EVERYONE IN THE IFBB KNOWS THE TRUTH as well...but they are just too ignorant to face themselves in the mirror and ask the right questions.
I am suspended because I was FIGHTING FOR INTEGRITY of the IFBB in one of the biggest sporting events...and because I stick my neck out for ALL IFBB ASIAN BODYBUILDERS who have no chance to fairly win the contests - because of this corrupted gentlemen...?
I could very easily say WHAT THEY WANTED ME TO SAY...and I will still have my IFBB PRO CARD and PAYCHECKS...meaning: livelihood.
I didn't.
When some of you realize what is personal HONOR and PRIDE - than and only than we can talk "on the same level"...but as today's living is honor-free for many - it's pointless to discuss....
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I guarantee you Milos has explored this drug to the fullest. Think "hyperemia". What was Hide caught with?
I use VIAGRA 45 minutes before the stage - with my guys...
Yes, than training caused hyperemia WILL NOT TAKE PLACE - so at this point YES - I would say VIAGRA can help (and it does ;))
But, before training?
It will be a WASTE....
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Stop the BS Milos! :D Why inject insulin when a carb and protein shake shoots insulin sky high anyway? Same logic :D
You are really a moron - or just act that way?
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I use VIAGRA 45 minutes before the stage - with my guys...
Yes, than training caused hyperemia WILL NOT TAKE PLACE - so at this point YES - I would say VIAGRA can help (and it does ;))
But, before training?
It will be a WASTE....
See John Romano's opinion :http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/09/2008-06-09_why_viagra_is_a_great_workout_partner_fo.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/09/2008-06-09_why_viagra_is_a_great_workout_partner_fo.html)
New York Daily News - Jun 09
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if hyperemia always occurs then why buy your products ?
Hallo...anybody there?
What hyperemia has to do with my products?
Everyone who trains will be in hyperemic state - regardless...
But, that blood that is passing through your muscles - IS EMPTY....
Yes, you'll get temporary pump - but nothing else...
Now, if your blood is SATURATED with exact anabolic and anticatabolic nutrients (yes my product has the ULTIMATE FORMULA) and than - anabolic and anti-catabolic hormones are released - WHAT DO YOU THINK REALLY HAPPENS?
Well, if you try my products - maybe you'll figure it out fast...
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You are really a moron - or just act that way?
Don't be so sensitive Milos :D
I haven't tried Viagra before workouts and haven't seen scientific data if it increases blood flow to the muscles during weight training. But it doesn't sound far fetched, to me, that it does and you being a believer in the "hyperemia advantage" I would've thought you'd want to optimize these processes to the fullest.
Did you see this, Romano talking about Viagra
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/09/2008-06-09_why_viagra_is_a_great_workout_partner_fo.html
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Hallo...anybody there?
What hyperemia has to do with my products?
Everyone who trains will be in hyperemic state - regardless...
But, that blood that is passing through your muscles - IS EMPTY....
Yes, you'll get temporary pump - but nothing else...
Now, if your blood is SATURATED with exact anabolic and anticatabolic nutrients (yes my product has the ULTIMATE FORMULA) and than - anabolic and anti-catabolic hormones are released - WHAT DO YOU THINK REALLY HAPPENS?
Well, if you try my products - maybe you'll figure it out fast...
milos obviiously not every body wants to shell out 150 dollarss for a trifecta of workout supplements... so tell me what makes yoru products better than some whey with some glucose before during and after training.. ?
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See John Romano's opinion :http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/09/2008-06-09_why_viagra_is_a_great_workout_partner_fo.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/09/2008-06-09_why_viagra_is_a_great_workout_partner_fo.html)
New York Daily News - Jun 09
Typical NO theory...what's new?
What you guys don't get it is:
it is not viagra that will bring you amino acids and whatever else...it is just fact that hyperemia (increased blood flow to the muscle) will be somewhat greater...Just like it would happen with any other known vasodilatator....
But, WHAT IS IN YOUR BLOOD is that makes all the difference...and if you know WHAT TO PUT IN YOUR BLOOD AT THE RIGHT TIME - you will experience growth you never had before...
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milos obviiously not every body wants to shell out 150 dollarss for a trifecta of workout supplements... so tell me what makes yoru products better than some whey with some glucose before during and after training.. ?
No need to tell you anything...Keep using whey and glucose... ;)
You want to be a pedestrian in the turbo jet world? Be my guest...
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No need to tell you anything...Keep using whey and glucose... ;)
You want to be a pedestrian in the turbo jet world? Be my guest...
okay thanks i will
actually i just use whey.. i dont see a reason for the glucose
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Typical NO theory...what's new?
What you guys don't get it is:
it is not viagra that will bring you amino acids and whatever else...it is just fact that hyperemia (increased blood flow to the muscle) will be somewhat greater...Just like it would happen with any other known vasodilatator....
But, WHAT IS IN YOUR BLOOD is that makes all the difference...and if you know WHAT TO PUT IN YOUR BLOOD AT THE RIGHT TIME - you will experience growth you never had before...
Thanks
(and Romano not looks like a bodybuilder ;D)
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okay thanks i will
actually i just use whey.. i dont see a reason for the glucose
I am surprised you see a reason for whey...
Do you see a reason to train - maybe?
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Typical NO theory...what's new?
What you guys don't get it is:
it is not viagra that will bring you amino acids and whatever else...it is just fact that hyperemia (increased blood flow to the muscle) will be somewhat greater...Just like it would happen with any other known vasodilatator....
But, WHAT IS IN YOUR BLOOD is that makes all the difference...and if you know WHAT TO PUT IN YOUR BLOOD AT THE RIGHT TIME - you will experience growth you never had before...
So improving blood flow further isn't of any additional advantage? As you know insulin improves blood flow to the muscles during the workout as well (this has been studied). Imagine if you took Viagra, insulin AND your pharmaceutical grade non-human hair amino's before workouts - you'd get all those goodies EXACTLY where you you'd want it! Those hungry type 1 muscle fibers just waiting to explode! Oh well, keep doing your thing... while the guys with boners pass you by! :D :D :D
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It looks to me that most of you don't have a clue what I am talking about.
HYPEREMIA is one thing...and my supplements - completely other.
While my supplements use HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE and while they cause increased hyperemia - point is crystal clear:
If you know that possibly 80% of the blood will finds its way to the muscle during the training - don't you think that you have unique opportunity to make few things happen?
1- WHEN 80% of the blood is in the muscle THAN possibly you should have some (or rather EXACT ;)) amino acids of choice along with every anabolic, anticatabolic nutrients on top...
2- Than, you should also cause release of certain hormones...
IF you don't care for HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE and don't think that you can anyhow benefit from SATURATED BLOOD with every possible nutrient and hormone that promotes anabolism and anti-catabolism being IN THE MUSCLE FOR THE DURATION OF THE WORKOUT - with numerous muscle contractions....than I have nothing else to tell you...
But, if you realize that ONLY DURING THE WORKOUT you have such hyperemia and 80% blood flow to the muscle - HOW could you let that opportunity go?
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I am surprised you see a reason for whey...
Do you see a reason to train - maybe?
you have any kind of study to show that natural levels of insulin are any more potent a muscle builder than natural levels of igf-1 ?
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So improving blood flow further isn't of any additional advantage? As you know insulin improves blood flow to the muscles during the workout as well (this has been studied). Imagine if you took Viagra, insulin AND your pharmaceutical grade non-human hair amino's before workouts - you'd get all those goodies EXACTLY where you you'd want it! Those hungry type 1 muscle fibers just waiting to explode! Oh well, keep doing your thing... while the guys with boners pass you by! :D :D :D
Improving blood flow OVER 80% necessary?
Don't think so...but if you didn't realize viagra and NO products have just a liiiitttllleee bit in common...
My sups cause additional hyperemia - but I don't even advertise that - as I know what is more important...
NUTRIENTS that could be delivered to the muscle is what you guys are missing...
It is like airplane with no passangers...or empty envelope...What's the point?
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Improving blood flow OVER 80% necessary?
Don't think so...but if you didn't realize viagra and NO products have just a liiiitttllleee bit in common...
My sups cause additional hyperemia - but I don't even advertise that - as I know what is more important...
NUTRIENTS that could be delivered to the muscle is what you guys are missing...
It is like airplane with no passangers...or empty envelope...What's the point?
so in your opinion the only reason you grow from working out is the fact that you get a pump and more nutrients get into the muscle ?
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you have any kind of study to show that natural levels of insulin are any more potent a muscle builder than natural levels of igf-1 ?
you have any kind of study to show you are safe to be on the streets?
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you have any kind of study to show you are safe to be on the streets?
i have one study to show that i am NOT safe to be on the streets ;D
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so in your opinion the only reason you grow from working out is the fact that you get a pump and more nutrients get into the muscle ?
Albert (as Einstein)...is this you?
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i have one study to show that i am NOT safe to be on the streets ;D
I don't doubt you have more... ;)
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Well, here is at least someone who actually knows what he is talking about...
YES, INSULIN + SPECIFIC AMINOS = MORE MUSCLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE...in a hurry... ;)
Not exactly anything new Milos......of course you can put size on with that. Even though the educated on here new, you made it sound as if was solely your products that were putting on this muscle.
Next time you make an insane claim like "I can put 40lbs of muscle on you in a month" you might want to add the stack that accompanies it. You made it sound like a Muscle Tech ad ::)
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Albert (as Einstein)...is this you?
answer my question please, im not trying to attack you milos i just want your opinion
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Theoretically there might be some advantages to having circulating amino's in the blood during workouts. Nothing wrong with having protein/aminos before and during workouts. The question is how big a difference it makes in the end compared to just eating solid meals for example. All of the muscle growth doesn't occur during workouts obviously. Protein synthesis is highest after the session to my knowledge - the workout is the stimulus. Will amino acids during workouts cause more protein accrual at the end of the day - that's the question. It's theoretical at this point.
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Not exactly anything new Milos......of course you can put size on with that. Even though the educated on here new, you made it sound as if was solely your products that were putting on this muscle.
Next time you make an insane claim like "I can put 40lbs of muscle on you in a month" you might want to add the stack that accompanies it. You made it sound like a Muscle Tech ad ::)
Here Coach:
here is the next time:
I can put 40lbs of muscle on you in a month - or I can put 40 pounds without adding a gram of body fat!
And I will bet you (or anyone else) a 100 Grand...
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Here Coach:
here is the next time:
I can put 40lbs of muscle on you in a month - or I can put 40 pounds without adding a gram of body fat!
And I will bet you (or anyone else) a 100 Grand...
I should maybe say - I did that (over 40 pound gain in one month) with more than 5 people so far...
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Why would I profit...and why is that important?
I am proud member of the IFBB - who has entered 72 IFBB professional shows, qualifying for Mr. Olympia ten consecutive times.
I am also IFBB PRO CHAMPION - something that is not so common among the pros (to actually WIN the contest)...
I acted in BEST BEHALF OF IFBB ATHLETES from Asia - as I was reported and than witnessed the biggest travesty in the sport.
For that - I am penalized?
Does actually someone THINKS about it?
I have lost my Weider contract, Gym contract (official gym for Flex magazine for 5 years...), IFBB pro card, some scheduled appearances (like last year in Japan - when promoter was called that IF I appear at the contest - hell will break...)...
but I haven't lost my HONOR and PRIDE...
I know the truth...and EVERYONE IN THE IFBB KNOWS THE TRUTH as well...but they are just too ignorant to face themselves in the mirror and ask the right questions.
I am suspended because I was FIGHTING FOR INTEGRITY of the IFBB in one of the biggest sporting events...and because I stick my neck out for ALL IFBB ASIAN BODYBUILDERS who have no chance to fairly win the contests - because of this corrupted gentlemen...?
I could very easily say WHAT THEY WANTED ME TO SAY...and I will still have my IFBB PRO CARD and PAYCHECKS...meaning: livelihood.
I didn't.
When some of you realize what is personal HONOR and PRIDE - than and only than we can talk "on the same level"...but as today's living is honor-free for many - it's pointless to discuss....
I would assume that the IFBB missed an important person in the name of Milos Sarcev, but I assume they'd be happy to have you back and thus begin a new Chapter?. I also assume, Milos, that you at least have some friend(s) in the inner circle who aggree or stand by you.
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Here Coach:
here is the next time:
I can put 40lbs of muscle on you in a month - or I can put 40 pounds without adding a gram of body fat!
And I will bet you (or anyone else) a 100 Grand...
Coach I would take Milos up on this! A month on insulin won't kill you!
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Coach I would take Milos up on this! A month on insulin won't kill you!
shoot i was just thinking that i would jump all over that offer ! ;D
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Off course...
Wonder what is like knowing about human physiology, anatomy, pharmacology, clinical and sports nutrition...? ;)You know - you can get paid a lot of money (per hour ;D...or otherwise) IF you actually KNOW something...
You can still hire me...I'll do more in a week for you than two years doing things - as always (the Coach Way)...
Small price to pay - Dambo... ;)
No thanks, I'm pretty well versed as it shows in the results of my athletes. BTW, I'm having dinner with Berardi this Friday, maybe you'd like come alone and learn something?
I won't mention you injury that shouldn't have happend in the first place.
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Coach I would take Milos up on this! A month on insulin won't kill you!
Why don't you?
100 grand Van Bilderass... ;)
You just have to be CONFIDENT ENOUGH to stand by your word...you know...
Some of us are actually ABLE TO...
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No thanks, I'm pretty well versed as it shows in the results of my athletes. BTW, I'm having dinner with Berardi this Friday, maybe you'd like come alone and learn something?
I won't mention you injury that shouldn't have happend in the first place.
As the matter of fact YES -
I would love to see John...who I consider a friend...
Learn something?
Hell yes. I learned from John already...and I respect his knowledge a great deal...But, he will probably tell you the same about me...
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No thanks, I'm pretty well versed as it shows in the results of my athletes. BTW, I'm having dinner with Berardi this Friday, maybe you'd like come alone and learn something?
I won't mention you injury that shouldn't have happend in the first place.
Mention my injury...Why wouldn't you?
Like that injury is something special?
Athletes do get injured moron... ;)
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Maybe Milos could send Milamar in to sleep with everyone like he did the FBI?
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Mention my injury...Why wouldn't you?
Like that injury is something special?
Athletes do get injured moron... ;)
1. Bodybuilders are not athletes, as you have proven by sprinting and tearing up you're knee and quad at the same time. Is that accurate?
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Why don't you?
100 grand Van Bilderass... ;)
You just have to be CONFIDENT ENOUGH to stand by your word...you know...
Some of us are actually ABLE TO...
I wouldn't mind trying it. That much muscle on an 'advanced' trainee not coming back from a layoff I don't buy in a million years though - even if he never used insulin before. Otherwise there'd be hundreds of new pro's coming out of Koloseum. Just try adding 40lbs to Binais or Namat in a month.
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Here Coach:
here is the next time:
I can put 40lbs of muscle on you in a month - or I can put 40 pounds without adding a gram of body fat!
And I will bet you (or anyone else) a 100 Grand...
LOL do you mean piling up 40lb of steak on Coach? ::)
As much as I respect some of your ideas, 40lb of true lean muscle mass in a month is impossible even in untrained subjects, let alone an experienced lifter like Coach. 40lb of water retention and fat on "supplemets" is more believable
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LOL do you mean piling up 40lb of steak on Coach? ::)
As much as I respect some of your ideas, 40lb of true lean muscle mass in a month is impossible even in untrained subjects, let alone an experienced lifter like Coach. 40lb of water retention and fat on "supplemets" is more believable
you have some kind of study to show what the fastest rate the human body is capable of bulding muscle tissue is ? whose to say that the body cannot build up 40 lbs of tissue in 720 hours ?
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Maybe Milos could send Milamar in to sleep with everyone like he did the FBI?
::)
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1. Bodybuilders are not athletes, as you have proven by sprinting and tearing up you're knee and quad at the same time. Is that accurate?
No, it is not accurate...
Bodybuilders ARE ATHLETES...many bodybuilders that I know...
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you have some kind of study to show what the fastest rate the human body is capable of bulding muscle tissue is ? whose to say that the body cannot build up 40 lbs of tissue in 720 hours ?
Are you all there ...boy?
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you have some kind of study to show what the fastest rate the human body is capable of bulding muscle tissue is ? whose to say that the body cannot build up 40 lbs of tissue in 720 hours ?
Well do you have some kind of study that shows you can? I don't have any studies that show humans can levitate either....what's your point?
I'm talking actual endogenous actin/myosin biosynthesis, not water retention or lipogenesis.
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Milos, are we talking 40 lbs of LEAN MUSCLE MASS here in a month ?
or we are talking a 40 lbs gain in bodyweight, while staying the same bf% (lean muscle mass, glycogene, water retention all included) ?
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Are you all there ...boy?
NO :)
Well do you have some kind of study that shows you can? I don't have any studies that show humans can levitate either....what's your point?
I'm talking actual endogenous actin/myosin biosynthesis, not water retention or lipogenesis.
well how do you know how fast the body can grow then ? if there truly is a rate limiting factor , what is that rate ?
as far as i know the rate limiting factor would be the pace that the ribosomes can work.. do you have some kind of statistic as to the maximum pace which those ribosomes can perform ?
id love to see such a stat
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Are you all there ...boy?
why rnt you using your "anyone home mcfly?" remark?
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Well do you have some kind of study that shows you can? I don't have any studies that show humans can levitate either....what's your point?
I'm talking actual endogenous actin/myosin biosynthesis, not water retention or lipogenesis.
YES, I AM TALKING: actual endogenous actin/myosin biosynthesis, not water retention or lipogenesis.
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NO :)
well how do you know how fast the body can grow then ? if there truly is a rate limiting factor , what is that rate ?
as far as i know the rate limiting factor would be the pace that the ribosomes can work.. do you have some kind of statistic as to the maximum pace which those ribosomes can perform ?
id love to see such a stat
Wow...big word!!!
Ribosomes...My God...you know your stuff boy - ;)
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Wow...big word!!!
Ribosomes...My God...you know your stuff boy - ;)
LOL ! dont make fun of me :-[
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Milos, are we talking 40 lbs of LEAN MUSCLE MASS here in a month ?
or we are talking a 40 lbs gain in bodyweight, while staying the same bf% (lean muscle mass, glycogene, water retention all included) ?
WE ARE TALKING: a 40 lbs gain in bodyweight - WHILE STAYING with same amount (not percentage - as percentage will NOT BE ACCURATE) of body fat...
What I am saying - I can put 40 pounds on someone without adding a gram of bodyfat...
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No, it is not accurate...
Bodybuilders ARE ATHLETES...many bodybuilders that I know...
My strongman camps start in about 3 weeks complete with conditioning and agility. Bring ANY current pro or pro's to Golden West college. I'll have my athletes there including the athletes that just got done with the NFL combine, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and his sparring partner Russ Tupper and we'll see. Fair?
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YES, I AM TALKING: actual endogenous actin/myosin biosynthesis, not water retention or lipogenesis.
i a working out quads in about an hour milos tell me what to do and if i like it i will buy your products
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LOL ! dont make fun of me :-[
I mean what's next - mTor33 pathway with picotechnology?
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I mean what's next - mTor33 pathway with picotechnology?
huh ? now i dont know if your making fun of me or trying to have some kind of real intelligent convo... :-\ sorry milos im not a doctor
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Maybe Milos could send Milamar in to sleep with everyone like he did the FBI?
Don't mind the gimmick Milos. He is as dumb as they come. WHat else can you expect from a pakistani ladyboy with a Nasser thong fetish. :D
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Sorry Milos, I call bullsh!t on this claim. Some of your other ideas have merit but this claim is crap. Where is Squadfather?????!!!!
40lb of lean muscle in 1 month? on a trained subject like a lean muscle machine like Coach :) ? Could you do the same with yourself? Ronnie Coleman? Jay Cutler?
Even in an untrained novice I doubt your claim. To put things into perspective, that would be about >100lb gain in 1 month (if you were to bulk up and tally up the adipose and additional water).
If I had $100K extra in my pocket I would take your bet...Might be a while for me to scrounge it up :)
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WE ARE TALKING: a 40 lbs gain in bodyweight - WHILE STAYING with same amount (not percentage - as percentage will NOT BE ACCURATE) of body fat...
What I am saying - I can put 40 pounds on someone without adding a gram of bodyfat...
That, I would believe it
that's still incredible gains tho !
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My strongman camps start in about 3 weeks complete with conditioning and agility. Bring ANY current pro or pro's to Golden West college. I'll have my athletes there including the athletes that just got done with the NFL combine, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and his sparring partner Russ Tupper and we'll see. Fair?
Hello?
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That, I would believe it
that's still incredible gains tho !
Low carb day, Stavi?
That's like saying Stavios competing at a contest weight of 190 and 1 month later on the "Milos program" he now competes at a contest weight of 230?!!
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Low carb day, Stavi?
That's like saying Stavios competing at a contest weight of 190 and 1 month later on the "Milos program" he now competes at a contest weight of 230?!!
absolutly not, he said that glycogene, water retention and muscle were all included
that person would not be 40 pounds heavier onstage in a month in the exact same condition , that would be a ridiculous claim
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absolutly not, he said that glycogene, water retention and muscle were all included
that person would not be 40 pounds heavier onstage in a month in the exact same condition , that would be a ridiculous claim
OK...sorry I guess low carb day for me :)
That makes more sense.
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absolutly not, he said that glycogene, water retention and muscle were all included
that person would not be 40 pounds heavier onstage in a month in the exact same condition , that would be a ridiculous claim
He already claimed that. Now it's changed. Yes, it would be and is a rediculous claim.
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Seems someone is in need of some money 100k to prove a muscle gain of 40lb in a month.Is that with or without the Milos Flu???.When do you get you IFBB Pro card back.Now that Priest has his you are a chance.
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Cant suspend someone who isn't a member in the club...
???? Isn't Nasser an IFBB athelete?
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???? Isn't Nasser an IFBB athelete?
No, he's not.
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Chick what was the reason for the Priest trial coming before the Olympia???Could it be Numbers were down in little shows and the IFBB needed him on stage to appease the paying schmoes I mean audience.
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Chick what was the reason for the Priest trial coming before the Olympia???Could it be Numbers were down in little shows and the IFBB needed him on stage to appease the paying schmoes I mean audience.
Thats a good guess.....wrong....but a good guess.
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Thats a good guess.....wrong....but a good guess.
Interesting. So you are privy to the mindset of the man on the committee to voted?
Were you in the room, or did they alert you afterwards of their intentions?
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Interesting. So you are privy to the mindset of the man on the committee to voted?
Were you in the room, or did they alert you afterwards of their intentions?
I'm on the committee, I get a vote.
I've been involved from day one...nothing interesting about it.
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As the matter of fact YES -
I would love to see John...who I consider a friend...
Learn something?
Hell yes. I learned from John already...and I respect his knowledge a great deal...But, he will probably tell you the same about me...
what ever people may say about Nasser he was right about one thing, your full of yourself. don't even compare yourself to berardi. you're not good enough to shine his shoes. hes a nutritionist and your a drug peddling, genocide committing criminal and there isn't even one thing you can teach him.
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No, he's not.
Then why is he claiming "IFBB-Pro" on his site? http://www.hugenasserelsonbaty.com/home.html
If Nasser belongs to another federation and using one he does not belong to (the IFBB-pro status), how is that allowed? Regardless, if he is permitted to use "IFBB-Pro" then in any agreement with any federation, members must also represent the IFBB equal to IFBB members; and must face similar penalties. Nasser is giving the IFBB a bad name; I thought he was a memeber of the IFBB. I'm sure there are many schmoes like me, who think Nasser belongs to the IFBB federation.
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Then why is he claiming "IFBB-Pro" on his site? http://www.hugenasserelsonbaty.com/home.html
If Nasser belongs to another federation and using one he does not belong to (the IFBB-pro status), how is that allowed? Regardless, if he is permitted to use "IFBB-Pro" then in any agreement with any federation, members must also represent the IFBB equal to IFBB members; and must face similar penalties. Nasser is giving the IFBB a bad name; I thought he was a memeber of the IFBB. I'm sure there are many schmoes like me, who think Nasser belongs to the IFBB federation.
I don't know if he belongs to any other federation. I do know he is a FORMER IFBB pro...he hasn't had a card in probably 2 years if not 3. He uses the tag ine just like a former champion uses a title...Mr USA, Mr Olympia, etc....
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chick , whats the head up on the Big surprise at the Olympia ?
Do you know anything about it , or are as clueless as we are ?
damn dont tell me its lee priest , *YAWN*
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chick , whats the head up on the Big surprise at the Olympia ?
Do you know anything about it , or are as clueless as we are ?
damn dont tell me its lee priest , *YAWN*
Beats me...
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I don't know if he belongs to any other federation. I do know he is a FORMER IFBB pro...he hasn't had a card in probably 2 years if not 3. He uses the tag ine just like a former champion uses a title...Mr USA, Mr Olympia, etc....
Thanks!!!
That's all I (we) needed to know. I can't wait to use little-bitty info against the DCN....So why is he allowed to use "IFBB-Pro" (as is hi current status) instead of "Former IFBB-Pro" (previous and good-standing status with IFBB)?
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My strongman camps start in about 3 weeks complete with conditioning and agility. Bring ANY current pro or pro's to Golden West college. I'll have my athletes there including the athletes that just got done with the NFL combine, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and his sparring partner Russ Tupper and we'll see. Fair?
Milos, still waiting for an answer on this. If you think bodybuilders are athletes now's the time to prove it.
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Milos, still waiting for an answer on this. If you think bodybuilders are athletes now's the time to prove it.
Coach you're a trainer and have competed in bb. Bodybuilders are more of an athelete than professional race car drivers are; considering that race-car driving is a sport.
You should really take the time to meet Milos in person, and workout with him; to understand and learn his theories. You will both learn from each others discipline; instead of continuing the same discussion over and over. He trains professional and soon to be professional bodybuilders/fitness/physique competitors. Unlike yourself (as you mentioned on prior posts), you train more housewives with inches to lose here and there, than pro-bb's. We all know that the type of approach that these pro-bb's do, is (the standard) beyond losing pounds here and there. They are atheletes, don't you agree? They focus more on the physical easthetic conditioning, than running a field in a matter of secs. Housewives with inches to lose for the next wedding, family or high school reunion, do not expect to be olympic athelets to fit in a size 1 evening gown or bikini.
Maybe if you change your view on bodybuilders, then you'll have more pro-bodybuilders seeking your expetise to help them prep for their next or all their competition; and not just for the yearly fitness bootcamp. What d' you say?
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Coach you're a trainer and have competed in bb. Bodybuilders are more of an athelete than professional race car drivers are; considering that race-car driving is a sport.
You should really take the time to meet Milos in person, and workout with him; to understand and learn his theories. You will both learn from each others discipline; instead of continuing the same discussion over and over. He trains professional and soon to be professional bodybuilders/fitness/physique competitors. Unlike yourself (as you mentioned on prior posts), you train more housewives with inches to lose here and there, than pro-bb's. We all know that the type of approach that these pro-bb's do, is (the standard) beyond losing pounds here and there. They are atheletes, don't you agree? They focus more on the physical easthetic conditioning, than running a field in a matter of secs. Housewives with inches to lose for the next wedding, family or high school reunion, do not expect to be olympic athelets to fit in a size 1 evening gown or bikini.
Maybe if you change your view on bodybuilders, then you'll have more pro-bodybuilders seeking your expetise to help them prep for their next or all their competition; and not just the yearly fitness bootcamp. What d' you say?
This is why I can speak the way I do.......the majority of my clientel are primarly athletes, and again as I have stated, High School, College including D1 schools and professional. I do train the general public as well but mostly athletes. I stopped training bodybuilders in the early 90's and went into Strength and Conditioning. In a recent post I have listed some of my current professional athletes as well as college and MMA.
I respectfully cannot agree that bodybuilders, at least pro and top National contenders are athletes. I have to relate an athlete as someone who can combine strength, conditioning, agility, balance and skills. Put all of those together and you have an athlete.
BTW, it was never my intention nor would I want to train professional bodybuilders. As far as a yearly fitness boot camp, my wife and other trainers do that during the week. I have actual strongman camps designed for athletes. It wouldn't be of any use to the general public........it would kill them.
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This is why I can speak the way I do.......the majority of my clientel are primarly athletes, and again as I have stated, High School, College including D1 schools and professional. I do train the general public as well but mostly athletes. I stopped training bodybuilders in the early 90's and went into Strength and Conditioning. In a recent post I have listed some of my current professional athletes as well as college and MMA.
I respectfully cannot agree that bodybuilders, at least pro and top National contenders are athletes. I have to relate an athlete as someone who can combine strength, conditioning, agility, balance and skills. Put all of those together and you have an athlete.
BTW, it was never my intention nor would I want to train professional bodybuilders. As far as a yearly fitness boot camp, my wife and other trainers do that during the week. I have actual strongman camps designed for athletes. It wouldn't be of any use to the general public........it would kill them.
Do you consider golfers atheletes????
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This is why I can speak the way I do.......the majority of my clientel are primarly athletes, and again as I have stated, High School, College including D1 schools and professional. I do train the general public as well but mostly athletes. I stopped training bodybuilders in the early 90's and went into Strength and Conditioning. In a recent post I have listed some of my current professional athletes as well as college and MMA.
I respectfully cannot agree that bodybuilders, at least pro and top National contenders are athletes. I have to relate an athlete as someone who can combine strength, conditioning, agility, balance and skills. Put all of those together and you have an athlete.
BTW, it was never my intention nor would I want to train professional bodybuilders. As far as a yearly fitness boot camp, my wife and other trainers do that during the week. I have actual strongman camps designed for athletes. It wouldn't be of any use to the general public........it would kill them.
Coach, the Great Oak would definitely disagree with you on this. Considering the amount of dedication in the gym doing physical exercise, bodybuilders do not get to showcase their workout and their exercise techniques that get them on to the stage. They only show the end result, on the day of the competition. Strongman competitors show their strength at their competition, no posing suits required. Bodybuilders only look better, physically; and may exude more athleticism than strongman competitors. You can be on gear and look like adonis on stage; or you can be on gear and look soft, but pull a school bus. In their own rights they both are athletes. No matter what sport anyone is in, there is a special exercise program designed for each sport.
A friend was a member of the national olympic bobsled team, they trained physically hard at the gym, just to lay on the team sled. He is undeniably an Olympian and an athlete. Do you understand?
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My strongman camps start in about 3 weeks complete with conditioning and agility. Bring ANY current pro or pro's to Golden West college. I'll have my athletes there including the athletes that just got done with the NFL combine, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and his sparring partner Russ Tupper and we'll see. Fair?
Coach...I would LOVE to do it myself...Especially if Rampage is going to be there...I want to meet the guy, he is too funny.
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I'm on the committee, I get a vote.
Are you willing to divulge publicly if you voted FOR, or AGAINST milos?
Or is it one of those secret ballot deals which encourage favoritism and cronyism?
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Are you willing to divulge publicly if you voted FOR, or AGAINST milos?
Or is it one of those secret ballot deals which encourage favoritism and cronyism?
Bob may be very dumb, but he's still probably not dumb enough to say that he voted against Milos on a public forum.
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Coach, the Great Oak would definitely disagree with you on this. Considering the amount of dedication in the gym doing physical exercise, bodybuilders do not get to showcase their workout and their exercise techniques that get them on to the stage. They only show the end result, on the day of the competition. Strongman competitors show their strength at their competition, no posing suits required. Bodybuilders only look better, physically; and may exude more athleticism than strongman competitors. You can be on gear and look like adonis on stage; or you can be on gear and look soft, but pull a school bus. In their own rights they both are athletes. No matter what sport anyone is in, there is a special exercise program designed for each sport.
A friend was a member of the national olympic bobsled team, they trained physically hard at the gym, just to lay on the team sled. He is undeniably an Olympian and an athlete. Do you understand?
Ok, here's where you are wrong. Strongman and strongman training is essentially FUNCTIONAL training with an enormous amount of conditioning and agility skills, same with your olympic bobsled friend. Bodybuilding IS NOT functional training. Bodybuilding, Strongman and Olympic training are 3 different types of training protocols.
1. Bodybuilding - Isolation
2. Strongman - Very little isolation concentrating on recruiting more motor units per exercise, while increasing conditioning and agility and of course balance
3. Olympic training (sports) - Again, very little if any isolating exercises, recruiting more motor units per exercise, concentraiting on deeper muscles and stabilizers. Conditioning, balance, agility.
This is just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to training bodybuilder as opposed to athletes. One of my philosophies is little or no machines when I train an athlete, if start to do that, it WILL take away from his/her athletisism.
Just because someone physically trains hard in the gym doesn't mean he/she is an athlete. Again, different training for different results.
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Coach...I would LOVE to do it myself...Especially if Rampage is going to be there...I want to meet the guy, he is too funny.
I will call you and let you know exactely when.
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Ok, here's where you are wrong. Strongman and strongman training is essentially FUNCTIONAL training with an enormous amount of conditioning and agility skills, same with your olympic bobsled friend. Bodybuilding IS NOT functional training. Bodybuilding, Strongman and Olympic training are 3 different types of training protocols.
1. Bodybuilding - Isolation
2. Strongman - Very little isolation concentrating on recruiting more motor units per exercise, while increasing conditioning and agility and of course balance
3. Olympic training (sports) - Again, very little if any isolating exercises, recruiting more motor units per exercise, concentraiting on deeper muscles and stabilizers. Conditioning, balance, agility.
This is just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to training bodybuilder as opposed to athletes. One of my philosophies is little or no machines when I train an athlete, if start to do that, it WILL take away from his/her athletisism.
Just because someone physically trains hard in the gym doesn't mean he/she is an athlete. Again, different training for different results.
I can almost see your point. You can workout or exercise hard, look physically fit, be at the highest physical fitness level, and compete at the most non-physical sport.
...And, You can workout or exercise hard, look physically fit, be at the highest physical fitness level, and not compete at all.
So...anyone can become certified trainer and not look athletic; and not know a thing about propper training. I've seen unfit trainers.
I'd be curious to know what Charles Polliquen side on "athletic" sports.
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Bob is a good Rep and once Milos get on his knees and licks some IFBB balls he is back in.Great job Bob.
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Bob is a good Rep and once Milos get on his knees and licks some IFBB balls he is back in.Great job Bob.
Remember Chick doesn't have to do G4P anymore.
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Never did G4P or Drugs remember DEA read this board as do Schmoes.
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Never did G4P or Drugs remember DEA read this board as do Schmoes.
ok.....so anyone can lick Chick's balls for free? He'd make more money doing G4P.
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Are you willing to divulge publicly if you voted FOR, or AGAINST milos?
Or is it one of those secret ballot deals which encourage favoritism and cronyism?
On what matter?
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On what matter?
Careful....240's an Obama sympathizer ;D
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I nominate The True Adonis and Melvin Goodrum as subjects in the 40 lbs lean tissue/month bet. That would be something.
Bodybuilding theory shouldn't have a test of truth involving a bet of $100,000. That just avoids having to demonstrate anything. No one will present to challenge Milos. I am personally sceptical that he can demonstrate this in advanced or even intermediate bodybuilders. Eg. put on 40 pounds of muscle in 30 or 31 days on a man who is 5-9 and who has 17 inch arms and weighs 190 pounds. It might be possible but this sounds like a big exaggeration. Doggcrapp training claims to add rapid gains in size but not that much lean tissue in a month. I wouldn't be that brave to boast such success. Milos claims he has done that with 5 other clients/subjects. Can he name these individuals and their previous muscular history? We have seen a rapid gain on a depleted pro bodybuilder so I put that 'success' in the Colorado camp. Casey Viator gained a lot of lean tissue in a short time but everyone dismisses the Colorado Experiment of Arthur Jones as untypical because Casey regained lost size.
I think rapid gains in hypertrophy/hyperplasia are possible and can be sustained. I don't subscribe to fooling around with supplements or any drugs. Talk of insulin really discredits any gains made there. Whether timing is crucial for rapid gains is something that can be tested. It is not true that there is nothing in the circulating blood of those not doing the Milos route.
I agree that questions of fact have to be tested in labs. That some gain in gyms is interesting but not sufficient to support a theory of hypertrophy. Once training is contaminated with drugs there can be no way to assign an experimental thing that is being tested. In other words, does the training help or is the drug responsible for growth? In the absense of knowledge in advanced bodybuilding I guess people can propose anything they like. It isn't knowledge until it can be independently demonstrated.
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I'm on the committee, I get a vote.
I've been involved from day one...nothing interesting about it.
Don't tell me Big Steve W is on the committee, too. What a bunch of stooges. There is a conflict of interest if an athlete's rep can vote about the athletes. I don't expect hapless Chick to fathom this. He just does what Jim M tells him to do.
Wonder why there has been no information about why Lee Priest was reinstated. Must be because he might have gone to another federation. Love the way Chick gets credit when there is no disclosure at all. Sounds like a typical back room meeting by the inner clique in bodybuilding. As if Chick has anything to say about what happens to the pros. If he does he shouldn't be doing that job.
It remains a joke about Milos's suspension from the IFBB. The IFBB promised to thoroughly investigate allegations of corruption involving Paul Chua and concluded Milos was to blame so suspended him. Talk about irony! That is the stuff you see happening in Third World countries and not in an enlightened organization. I hope Milos sees the joke here. A good lesson to all re how the IFBB works. They didn't let Serge Nubret have a go at running for president so I can't see Milos being allowed to run, either. That is not going to happen.
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Don't tell me Big Steve W is on the committee, too. What a bunch of stooges. There is a conflict of interest if an athlete's rep can vote about the athletes. I don't expect hapless Chick to fathom this. He just does what Jim M tells him to do.
Wonder why there has been no information about why Lee Priest was reinstated. Must be because he might have gone to another federation. Love the way Chick gets credit when there is no disclosure at all. Sounds like a typical back room meeting by the inner clique in bodybuilding. As if Chick has anything to say about what happens to the pros. If he does he shouldn't be doing that job.
It remains a joke about Milos's suspension from the IFBB. The IFBB promised to thoroughly investigate allegations of corruption involving Paul Chua and concluded Milos was to blame so suspended him. Talk about irony! That is the stuff you see happening in Third World countries and not in an enlightened organization. I hope Milos sees the joke here. A good lesson to all re how the IFBB works. They didn't let Serge Nubret have a go at running for president so I can't see Milos being allowed to run, either. That is not going to happen.
i was so happy i actually thought you died!
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Don't tell me Big Steve W is on the committee, too. What a bunch of stooges. There is a conflict of interest if an athlete's rep can vote about the athletes. I don't expect hapless Chick to fathom this. He just does what Jim M tells him to do.
Wonder why there has been no information about why Lee Priest was reinstated. Must be because he might have gone to another federation. Love the way Chick gets credit when there is no disclosure at all. Sounds like a typical back room meeting by the inner clique in bodybuilding. As if Chick has anything to say about what happens to the pros. If he does he shouldn't be doing that job.
It remains a joke about Milos's suspension from the IFBB. The IFBB promised to thoroughly investigate allegations of corruption involving Paul Chua and concluded Milos was to blame so suspended him. Talk about irony! That is the stuff you see happening in Third World countries and not in an enlightened organization. I hope Milos sees the joke here. A good lesson to all re how the IFBB works. They didn't let Serge Nubret have a go at running for president so I can't see Milos being allowed to run, either. That is not going to happen.
Glad to see you back, Basile...still as clueless and retarded as ever.
Yeah...what a conflict of interest, an athletes rep having a vote on what happens to the athletes....fuckin buffoon...THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING REPRESENTATION
Regarding Lee...yeah, thats it...they were afraid of him going to another federation...the very reason he was suspended in the first place. God, you are a moron...BTW..you can email Lee yourself to get his comments on my involvement.
Go back to chasing chubbies...
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Glad to see you back, Basile...still as clueless and retarded as ever.
Yeah...what a conflict of interest, an athletes rep having a vote on what happens to the athletes....fuckin buffoon...THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING REPRESENTATION
Regarding Lee...yeah, thats it...they were afraid of him going to another federation...the very reason he was suspended in the first place. God, you are a moron...BTW..you can email Lee yourself to get his comments on my involvement.
Go back to chasing chubbies...
firt time i agree with you chick
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Glad to see you back, Basile...still as clueless and retarded as ever.
Those of us who are retarted don't suffer fools forever. If you represent athletes then you do it somewhat like a lawyer represents clients. He doesn't have a vote about what happens to the client. Guess you are so confused about stuff you believe you are important. If you are in there with Weinberger then surely the lunatics have taken over the asylum. No wonder Milos is still suspended.
Lee will do whatever is in his interest to do. You guys have stuffed him around for far too long and you, Chick, should be ashamed of yourself for any involvement re his suspension. I can't expect you to fathom a concept like justice, can I? Oh, wait I forgot to include this photo:
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Those of us who are retarted don't suffer fools forever. If you represent athletes then you do it somewhat like a lawyer represents clients. He doesn't have a vote about what happens to the client. Guess you are so confused about stuff you believe you are important. If you are in there with Weinberger then surely the lunatics have taken over the asylum. No wonder Milos is still suspended.
Lee will do whatever is in his interest to do. You guys have stuffed him around for far too long and you, Chick, should be ashamed of yourself for any involvement re his suspension. I can't expect you to fathom a concept like justice, can I? Oh, wait I forgot to include this photo:
Hey you little anal cock machine :-*
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Bodybuilding theory shouldn't have a test of truth involving a bet of $100,000. That just avoids having to demonstrate anything. No one will present to challenge Milos. I am personally sceptical that he can demonstrate this in advanced or even intermediate bodybuilders. Eg. put on 40 pounds of muscle in 30 or 31 days on a man who is 5-9 and who has 17 inch arms and weighs 190 pounds. It might be possible but this sounds like a big exaggeration. Doggcrapp training claims to add rapid gains in size but not that much lean tissue in a month. I wouldn't be that brave to boast such success. Milos claims he has done that with 5 other clients/subjects. Can he name these individuals and their previous muscular history? We have seen a rapid gain on a depleted pro bodybuilder so I put that 'success' in the Colorado camp. Casey Viator gained a lot of lean tissue in a short time but everyone dismisses the Colorado Experiment of Arthur Jones as untypical because Casey regained lost size.
I have put on alot of lean tissue on people usually in 6 months to a years time, but NO I couldnt in a million years put 40 pounds of TRUE muscle mass on a (currently training, [currently juicing or non juicing] athlete) in a month, not even remotely close. The only feasible way I could think it could be accomplished and why I put brackets around it above is if you had someone who cleaned out and had a layoff...and you could use muscle memory and anabolics to accomplish it. But thats muscle memory and I think Milos is talking about brand new muscle gains. Unless someone was doing their first cycle or again the muscle memory situation......thats the only way I can comprehend accomplishing it. But I know I couldnt pull that trick with someone, not a chance in hell.....not even close. I took a 100% natural lean former US marine with mesomorphic traits from 208 up to 262 lean + clean as a whistle in 11 months...and he was my roommate back then,...and I oversaw every meal over those 11 months, made him take every supplement I wanted him too, made him train with me every single workout.....and that was some of the greatest muscle mass gains Ive ever seen anyone make.....but he had genetics on his side. But 40 pounds of true muscle mass in a month? I have my serious doubts but its Milos so that makes me pause for a second and listen.
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It would be interesting to have a seminar with Doggcrapp and Milos. By seminar I mean like they have in graduate school where everyone contributes. It would be interesting to hear the various theories re muscle growth. I have my ideas, Doggcrapp has his and Milos has his. We could invite Bryan Haycock and that little MacDonald guy plus a few of the scientific enthusiasts and really put something interesting together. Surely the bodybuilding world has been waiting for a comprehensive theory of hypertrophy/hyperplasia for a very long time. In the absence of such a theory just about anyone is an expert in this field.
It would take a very brave scientist who could predict 10 pounds lean mass gain on an advanced bodybuilder in a month. If you want to see how much that is then go to the grocery shop and pick up 10 pounds of lean beef. That is a lot of muscle. 40 pounds is just unlikely in the extreme and we await some demonstration from Milos.
Let us refine this to talking about measurements. Suppose we start with an average size man who has trained in a gym for years and years. He has 17 inch arms and is natural. How many inches can Milos or anyone else put on this man in a month and do it naturally? It might be possible to put on 2 inches but I doubt anyone could gain 3 inches. I have gained 1 inch in a month but much of that was regained size from a long time ago. It is still possible to put on muscle size at any age. I find I can gain easier now than when I was competing.
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I find I can gain easier now than when I was competing.
HAHAAHAHA ;D
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It would be interesting to have a seminar with Doggcrapp and Milos. By seminar I mean like they have in graduate school where everyone contributes. It would be interesting to hear the various theories re muscle growth. I have my ideas, Doggcrapp has his and Milos has his. We could invite Bryan Haycock and that little MacDonald guy plus a few of the scientific enthusiasts and really put something interesting together. Surely the bodybuilding world has been waiting for a comprehensive theory of hypertrophy/hyperplasia for a very long time. In the absence of such a theory just about anyone is an expert in this field.
It would take a very brave scientist who could predict 10 pounds lean mass gain on an advanced bodybuilder in a month. If you want to see how much that is then go to the grocery shop and pick up 10 pounds of lean beef. That is a lot of muscle. 40 pounds is just unlikely in the extreme and we await some demonstration from Milos.
Let us refine this to talking about measurements. Suppose we start with an average size man who has trained in a gym for years and years. He has 17 inch arms and is natural. How many inches can Milos or anyone else put on this man in a month and do it naturally? It might be possible to put on 2 inches but I doubt anyone could gain 3 inches. I have gained 1 inch in a month but much of that was regained size from a long time ago. It is still possible to put on muscle size at any age. I find I can gain easier now than when I was competing.
Hi Vince good to see you're alive
I've seen before/after photos of a few of Milos' and DC clients posted here and other places and the results speak for themselves. Can you post some pictures of your clients who have followed your hypertrophy theories. I know everyone responds differently, and there are a multitude of different factors involved; but I am just curious how your expertise translates to real world results.
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I haven't been able to recruit any disciples as guinea pigs. Everyone I approach knows vastly more than I do so I am ignored. One lad was approached 4 times re training and eating and he still looks the same. I can't get through to this kind of individual. I would require a person who would have the capacity for independent thought and who would be willing to abandon cherished beliefs. In bodybuilding circles there is no such person. It remains that I will have to experiment on myself but I haven't been sufficiently motivated to do much at all. I am interested in the contribution of growth to longevity or at least the feeling of well being in old age. It might be possible to slow the ageing process if hypertrophy can be sustained.
There is so much to learn re bodybuilding that it amazes me that so many think they know everything. Real experts are extremely rare in the sport. I consider myself a student of hypertrophy.
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Those of us who are retarted don't suffer fools forever. If you represent athletes then you do it somewhat like a lawyer represents clients. He doesn't have a vote about what happens to the client. Guess you are so confused about stuff you believe you are important. If you are in there with Weinberger then surely the lunatics have taken over the asylum. No wonder Milos is still suspended.
Lee will do whatever is in his interest to do. You guys have stuffed him around for far too long and you, Chick, should be ashamed of yourself for any involvement re his suspension. I can't expect you to fathom a concept like justice, can I? Oh, wait I forgot to include this photo:
Wow...
The reps of all the respective divisions have a vote...as it's only fair to have a say in what happens to US as a whole...thats why we fought for reps in the first place.
Only a buffoon like yourself would actually be complaining that the reps have a vote for our own interests....
I had no involvement in his suspension...Lee did that all on his own. I had an involvement in representing him in getting him reinstated.
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Bob, Bob, Bob, I will have to take you through this one easy step at a time.
1. You are a current IFBB pro.
2. You are the appointed athletes rep
3. You are supposed to represent all athletes including yourself.
4. Since you represent yourself as a competitor you shouldn't be able to vote about other athletes.
5. What don't you comprehend about conflict of interest?
Hope this helps but I know it can't possibly get through.
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Bob, Bob, Bob, I will have to take you through this one easy step at a time.
1. You are a current IFBB pro.
2. You are the appointed athletes rep
3. You are supposed to represent all athletes including yourself.
4. Since you represent yourself as a competitor you shouldn't be able to vote about other athletes.
5. What don't you comprehend about conflict of interest?
Hope this helps but I know it can't possibly get through.
Vince, Vince, Vince...you're dumber than I gave you credit for.
1. I retired 2 years ago
2. I vote in the best interests of the athletes
3. What I vote on 99% of the time, is in the interest of ALL of the athletes, including myself.
What aren't YOU getting here?
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Vince, Vince, Vince...you're dumber than I gave you credit for.
1. I retired 2 3 years ago (the bb.com Master's Pro doesn't really count)
2. I vote in the best interests of the athletes whoever is currently writing my paychecks.
3. What I vote on 99% of the time, is in the interest of ALL of the athletes, including myself. things I really don't understand, I just do what Jim tells me to do.
What aren't YOU getting here?
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Bob, I don't need any validation about my intelligence. I think you and Jim look forward to my posts. However, my comments do embarrass you because your self-interest got you in over your head in the ass-kissing organization called the IFBB. Since you have benefited from that association you are hardly going to bite the hand that feeds you. In other words, you do everything they ask and defend them to the death.
Why don't you disclose the minutes of those meetings you attended for the athletes. How would anyone know what you voted for? Seems to us you probably voted to have Lee and Milos suspended or whatever it was that happened to them. The point here is you are involved in the shit that happens to people. Why should you mix yourself up in that stuff? I don't think you have any idea why the IFBB needs a stooge like yourself. If they were truly running bodybuilding contests for the athletes and the sport then why on earth is so much crap happening? I mean, they can't even get the judging system right. Poke a fork in the IFBB because they have been done for decades now.
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Bob, I don't need any validation about my intelligence. I think you and Jim look forward to my posts. However, my comments do embarrass you because your self-interest got you in over your head in the ass-kissing organization called the IFBB. Since you have benefited from that association you are hardly going to bite the hand that feeds you. In other words, you do everything they ask and defend them to the death.
Why don't you disclose the minutes of those meetings you attended for the athletes. How would anyone know what you voted for? Seems to us you probably voted to have Lee and Milos suspended or whatever it was that happened to them. The point here is you are involved in the shit that happens to people. Why should you mix yourself up in that stuff? I don't think you have any idea why the IFBB needs a stooge like yourself. If they were truly running bodybuilding contests for the athletes and the sport then why on earth is so much crap happening? I mean, they can't even get the judging system right. Poke a fork in the IFBB because they have been done for decades now.
LOL...classic Basile!!
"The IFBB have been done for DECADES"
awesome...!
The minutes from every IFBB pro league meeting are public domain, and available for viewing...I've posted the minutes myself after every meeting over the last 3 years.
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Let us refine this to talking about measurements. Suppose we start with an average size man who has trained in a gym for years and years. He has 17 inch arms and is natural. How many inches can Milos or anyone else put on this man in a month and do it naturally? It might be possible to put on 2 inches but I doubt anyone could gain 3 inches. I have gained 1 inch in a month but much of that was regained size from a long time ago. It is still possible to put on muscle size at any age. I find I can gain easier now than when I was competing.
Under the right stimulation, I can gain about 3 inches of tissue in about 30 seconds or so.
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I haven't been able to recruit any disciples as guinea pigs. Everyone I approach knows vastly more than I do so I am ignored. One lad was approached 4 times re training and eating and he still looks the same. I can't get through to this kind of individual. I would require a person who would have the capacity for independent thought and who would be willing to abandon cherished beliefs. In bodybuilding circles there is no such person. It remains that I will have to experiment on myself but I haven't been sufficiently motivated to do much at all. I am interested in the contribution of growth to longevity or at least the feeling of well being in old age. It might be possible to slow the ageing process if hypertrophy can be sustained.There is so much to learn re bodybuilding that it amazes me that so many think they know everything. Real experts are extremely rare in the sport. I consider myself a student of hypertrophy.
HRT, DHEA helps
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Getting divorced 3 times, and making progress on the 4th helps
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I will call you and let you know exactely when.
I am waiting...
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...still waiting...
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Maybe the ninja's took away "the coach" his phone, milos?