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What sort of sick fuck is this guy, I hope the prison population run a train on his ass.
(http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/04/20/amd_rape_suspect.jpg)
NEW YORK - An ex-convict went on trial Thursday on charges of raping, torturing and burning a Columbia University graduate student in a 19-hour attack during which her eyelids were slit and she was forced to take so many painkillers that her liver failed.
Robert Williams, 31, sat with chained arms and legs, his head lowered, as the prosecutor delivered an opening statement that left several people in the courtroom weeping.
Williams turned the victim's small one-bedroom apartment into "his torture chamber" and violated the 23-year-old woman "in every way imaginable and in some ways unimaginable," Assistant District Attorney Ann Prunty told the jury.
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Prunty said Williams stopped the torture only after the victim — who at one point during the ordeal tried to kill herself — blacked out from hours of pain caused by knife wounds, boiling water, battering and sexual assaults.
"Then he could no longer feel power over another human being," Prunty said.
Life in prison if convicted
Williams is charged with kidnapping, arson, burglary and sexual assault. He faces life in prison if convicted.
The defendant's lawyer, Arnold Levine, tried but failed to have Williams declared mentally unfit for trial. Levine did not make an opening statement.
The victim, a Columbia University journalism graduate student, found Williams in her building's elevator in the Hamilton Heights neighborhood of Upper Manhattan when she came home around 9:30 p.m. on April 13, 2007, Prunty said. She said he followed her to her fifth-floor apartment and attacked her.
During the brutal ordeal, Prunty told jurors, Williams raped the victim, poured boiling water over her, hurled a pot of bleach in her face, ordered her to gouge out her own eyes with a pair of scissors, sealed her lips shut with glue and duct tape and slit her eyelids with a butcher's knife.
After one assault, he forced the woman to swallow a fistful of pills from her medicine cabinet and wash them down with four beers, Prunty said.
Doctors later said the woman's liver had failed, probably because of the medicine, and that a liver transplant might be necessary. Fortunately, the transplant was not needed, Prunty said.
The woman at one point tried to plunge a pair of scissors into her own neck in a bid to commit suicide.
After about 19 hours, Prunty said, Williams tied the naked, unconscious woman to a futon with computer cables and set it on fire. The woman awoke and smelled smoke, broke free and made her way to the hallway, where she was rescued.
Prunty said Williams' DNA was found on the victim and her clothing, and her DNA was found on his clothing. Security cameras captured him trying to withdraw money with the woman's ATM card, she said.
During the time she was conscious, Prunty said, the victim studied Williams closely. Prunty said every scar and feature she later described to police matched the appearance of the defendant.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24993223/
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animal >:(
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very sad.
irrelevant mnove to another board though please
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They should execute that bastard.
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After seeing his picture, Debussey = not suprised.
From 1976 until 2004, despite their comprising approximately 12% of the population, African-Americans comprised the majority (52%) of criminal offenders arrested and convicted of homicide (murder and manslaughter), and a large proportion (46.9%) of homicide victims
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Black and bald. He should be a bodybuilder.
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A disgusting crime and a major setback for black men in elevators.
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i need to know whether this girl was hot or ugly before i decide on the severity of my rage.
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Ahh what I would give to have him chained up in one of those rooms like the movie Hostle with all those tools at my disposal. That would be the only even close to appropriate punishment for that animal.
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They should execute that bastard.
they should torture him for a few weeks, then kill the bastard.. :(
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What an animal.
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Ahh what I would give to have him chained up in one of those rooms like the movie Hostle with all those tools at my disposal. That would be the only even close to appropriate punishment for that animal.
Then you'd be no better as this is pretty much what he did to that poor girl.
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i need to know whether this girl was hot or ugly before i decide on the severity of my rage.
I need to know the level of her promiscuity. I don't care for whores.
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This guy is such an inferior human being.
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maybe she cheated on him?
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maybe she cheated on him?
Maybe he is a muslim?
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Among men, blacks (28.5%) are about six times more likely than whites (4.4%) to be admitted to prison during their life. Among women, 3.6% of blacks and 0.5% of whites will enter prison at least once. (U.S. Department of Justice) Based on current rates of incarceration, an estimated 7.9% of black males compared to 0.7% of white males will enter State of Federal prison by the time they are age 20 and 21.4% of black males versus 1.4% of white males will be incarcerated by age 30. (U.S. Department of Justice) Some have noted that more black men are in prison in America than are in college. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128)
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I think a brain dissection is in order here... this behaviour is so aberrant it would indicate a total lack of empathy, which most probably is the result of some sort of syndrome, pathology or genetic variation.
This sort of thing has happened before (the BTK case comes to mind) and execution always deprives the scientific community of their test subjects.
I believe an enlightened society would study such people under a controlled environment as their actions are so beyond the Pale as to belie some sort of special circumstance... something that might be identifiable... detectable... possibly even preventable.
The Luke
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I think a brain dissection is in order here... this behaviour is so aberrant it would indicate a total lack of empathy, which most probably is the result of some sort of syndrome, pathology or genetic variation.
This sort of thing has happened before (the BTK case comes to mind) and execution always deprives the scientific community of their test subjects.
I believe an enlightened society would study such people under a controlled environment as their actions are so beyond the Pale as to belie some sort of special circumstance... something that might be identifiable... detectable... possibly even preventable.
The Luke
Do you believe the research that claims africans are less intelligent than whites, and that this partially is a result of genetic differences? :D
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i need to know whether this girl was hot or ugly before i decide on the severity of my rage.
I need to know the level of her promiscuity. I don't care for whores.
You guys are scums
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Maybe he is a muslim?
Um, try and understand that muslims in the US are generally educated and contribute; totally unlike Europe. This is true even though I'll admit it's a disgusting religion.
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maybe she cheated on him?
Epic not reading the article. The savage attacked her by following her into her apartment.
New York State needs to have the death penalty for these animals
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Then you'd be no better as this is pretty much what he did to that poor girl.
So anyone pulling the switch on a murderer is no better too?
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Be good to know what prison he will go to and if anyone knows someone in that prison, and inform that person in prison to spread the word...He will most likely be in solitary...Ofcourse the gaurds might arrange a accidental meeting with him and other prisoners....I cannot imagine the gaurds letting him get away with this....The crime is just so horrid...
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They're all savages anyway so why would they want to even shitlist this guy?
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His crime goes beyond any comprehension and i think even hardened criminals would not appreciate this scum in their presence....
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No doubt, this guy probably had an IQ in the 80s somewhere. A total failure in life, before even being born.
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Do you believe the research that claims africans are less intelligent than whites, and that this partially is a result of genetic differences? :D
..the research is certainly mounting, but I don't see the point of the racial distinctions relating to a 5 point drift when the variation among a random sample of people is anything up to 50 points.
For example, rather than separating people by race you could draw lines based on glasses wearing... people who need glasses/contacts due to myopia (short-sightedness) have higher IQs (on average).
But the mechanism here is well understood, abundant quality calories throughout gestation and early childhood raise insulin levels to the point that the eye is shortened (or lengthened, can't remember)... hence, well fed wealthy people are more likely to have short sighted children... and that's enough to skew the IQ average.
Anyway, there are bigger scandals brewing in medical circles than a simple black/white IQ discrepancy.
There are a few circumstances under which this guy could actually walk with no jail time (based on medical research).
The Luke
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..the research is certainly mounting, but I don't see the point of the racial distinctions relating to a 5 point drift when the variation among a random sample of people is anything up to 50 points.
The drift is 1SD, 15 IQ points (blacks = 85 average IQ)
For example, rather than separating people by race you could draw lines based on glasses wearing... people who need glasses/contacts due to myopia (short-sightedness) have higher IQs (on average).
Yes, about 7 points. The myopia gene = found in high quantities among Mensa members (they did a study on it)
But the mechanism here is well understood, abundant quality calories throughout gestation and early childhood raise insulin levels to the point that the eye is shortened (or lengthened, can't remember)... hence, well fed wealthy people are more likely to have short sighted children... and that's enough to skew the IQ average.
Might be. At the same time, the black/white IQ gap holds true even between whites of a lower socioeconomic class (household income 20000/year) than blacks (household income 70000/year). Also, the researchers in the field have tried checking for tons of other variables, the IQ gap still remains.
Anyway, there are bigger scandals brewing in medical circles than a simple black/white IQ discrepancy.
There are a few circumstances under which this guy could actually walk with no jail time (based on medical research).
The Luke
Interesting.
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obviously, this is a classic psycopath or sociopath. he's a sick pup!
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After seeing his picture, Debussey = not suprised.
Racist.
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Racist.
If you knew the definition of racism, you would know that Debusseys statement = not racist.
It is just an objective observation, based upon statistics.
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Just one more useless, unproductive member of the prison system. It will cost millions to keep him alive for "life", pennies for a bullet.
Which would the taxpayers choose?
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Torture him and finish him off.
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Just one more useless, unproductive member of the prison system. It will cost millions to keep him alive for "life", pennies for a bullet.
Which would the taxpayers choose?
That would never happen. We're too politically correct.
The day you'd try bringing back the death penalty is the day you'd have people crying racism. Hell, look how much uproar there was over executing a murderer and gang leader like Tookie Williams.
I think you have to have a seperate trail for the death penalty in most states.. Where's JohnnyVegas when you need him?
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Among men, blacks (28.5%) are about six times more likely than whites (4.4%) to be admitted to prison during their life. Among women, 3.6% of blacks and 0.5% of whites will enter prison at least once. (U.S. Department of Justice) Based on current rates of incarceration, an estimated 7.9% of black males compared to 0.7% of white males will enter State of Federal prison by the time they are age 20 and 21.4% of black males versus 1.4% of white males will be incarcerated by age 30. (U.S. Department of Justice) Some have noted that more black men are in prison in America than are in college. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128)
You know of course, as soon as these facts are presented, this board is always flooded by apologists that will claim these statistics are false and "Socio-economic factors " are the reason this individual committed this horrendous crime. It gets silly after a while. Just be glad you don't live in the US, Debussey, and have to deal with this stuff. You can't have a lot of this crap in Norway, can you?
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what's the purpose of posting this?
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"President Bush does not like black people"
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If you knew the definition of racism, you would know that Debusseys statement = not racist.
It is just an objective observation, based upon statistics.
Stereotypes are usually fueled by racism. Therefore debussey=stereotyping racist. ;)
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You know of course, as soon as these facts are presented, this board is always flooded by apologists that will claim these statistics are false and "Socio-economic factors " are the reason this individual committed this horrendous crime. It gets silly after a while. Just be glad you don't live in the US, Debussey, and have to deal with this stuff. You can't have a lot of this crap in Norway, can you?
Some of it. Blacks = vastly over-represented on the rape statistics, and many are fed up with the muslims. In Europe, muslims have become a huge problem.
Black immigrants from Somalia = also extremely overrepresented on every negative statistics you can find.
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You know of course, as soon as these facts are presented, this board is always flooded by apologists that will claim these statistics are false and "Socio-economic factors " are the reason this individual committed this horrendous crime. It gets silly after a while. Just be glad you don't live in the US, Debussey, and have to deal with this stuff. You can't have a lot of this crap in Norway, can you?
hahaha, he doesn't know how lucky he is. Europe could be strict and all its problems would be gone.
Not like that in the US. Everyone is forced into an appolgist role to bad black people. Shitting all over neighborhoods, commiting most of the violent crimes, milking the government, and you name it, these fuckers do it! Living in NYC I can tell you first hand that these things have hardly anything to do with socio-economic factors, and everything to do with the people themselves.
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hahaha, he doesn't know how lucky he is. Europe could be strict and all its problems would be gone.
Not like that in the US. Everyone is forced into an appolgist role to black people. Shitting all over neighborhoods, commiting most of the violent crimes, milking the government, and you name it, these fuckers do it! Living in NYC I can tell you first hand that these things have hardly anything to do with socio-economic factors, and everything to do with the people themselves.
Of course it has everything to do with the people themselves. Both the cultural, and most likely some genetic factors play a role here.
As long as people = appologistic towards them, they will never ever ever dig their way out of the grave.
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hahaha, he doesn't know how lucky he is. Europe could be strict and all its problems would be gone.
Not like that in the US. Everyone is forced into an appolgist role to bad black people. Shitting all over neighborhoods, commiting most of the violent crimes, milking the government, and you name it, these fuckers do it! Living in NYC I can tell you first hand that these things have hardly anything to do with socio-economic factors, and everything to do with the people themselves.
Racist.
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what's the purpose of posting this?
Would you prefer a post on "which Falcon has the best glutes?",Bast000?
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obviously, this is a classic psycopath or sociopath. he's a sick pup!
...not necessarily.
If I were his defence lawyer I'd have him tested for all possible mitigating circumstances:
-concussion damage/atrophy with the central brain (common among violent offenders with poor impulse control)
-viral (meningitis) brain damage
-altered brain chemistry
-full liver metabolite tests (some people produce an LSD analogue within their livers)
-ergot poisoning (it's a fungus that grows on grain and causes everything from violence to cannibalism)
-alcohol/ethanol psychosis (some people can have a sip of whiskey and wake up three days later having
killed their whole family and chewed off their own fingers)
-altered choline metabolism (acetyl-choline cascades are the leading candidate for explaining classical Lycanthropy ("werewolfism") animal behaviour in humans)
-early stage porphyria (a genetic disorder which, coupled with outbreaks of ergot poisoning, was the historic basis of the vampire legend)
...the depravity of the crime would seem to warrant further study, not that such medical conditions condone such actions... but they might legally reduce the offenders culpability.
The Luke
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Some of it. Blacks = vastly over-represented on the rape statistics, and many are fed up with the muslims. In Europe, muslims have become a huge problem.
True. It seems the Muslims can't seem to get along with people anywhere..whether it's Indonesia, Pakistan, the Phillipines. They're always blowing up innocent people or rioting about stupid cartoons. Ridiculous group of people.
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(http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/04/20/amd_rape_suspect.jpg)
The defendant's lawyer, Arnold Levine, tried but failed to have Williams declared mentally unfit for trial. Levine did not make an opening statement.
1) If he is mentally unfit, why is he in society? If he is allowed to live and be in society, then he should be perfectly fit to stand trial. I know it is not as cut and dry as that, but in this case I certainly think he is mentally fit enough to go to the chair, given some of the things the bastard did to torture the poor victim.
2) I'm with Wes....the guy should be executed. But only after similar treatment like that he treated his victim with. In extreme cases like this, I'm all for "tooth for a tooth, eye for an eye!"
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...not necessarily.
If I were his defence lawyer I'd have him tested for all possible mitigating circumstances:
-concussion damage/atrophy with the central brain (common among violent offenders with poor impulse control)
-viral (meningitis) brain damage
-altered brain chemistry
-full liver metabolite tests (some people produce an LSD analogue within their livers)
-ergot poisoning (it's a fungus that grows on grain and causes everything from violence to cannibalism)
-alcohol/ethanol psychosis (some people can have a sip of whiskey and wake up three days later having
killed their whole family and chewed off their own fingers)
-altered choline metabolism (acetyl-choline cascades are the leading candidate for explaining classical Lycanthropy ("werewolfism") animal behaviour in humans)
-early stage porphyria (a genetic disorder which, coupled with outbreaks of ergot poisoning, was the historic basis of the vampire legend)
...the depravity of the crime would seem to warrant further study, not that such medical conditions condone such actions... but they might legally reduce the offenders culpability.
The Luke
A bullet and the gun together would cost less than all those tests.
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Among men, blacks (28.5%) are about six times more likely than whites (4.4%) to be admitted to prison during their life. Among women, 3.6% of blacks and 0.5% of whites will enter prison at least once. (U.S. Department of Justice) Based on current rates of incarceration, an estimated 7.9% of black males compared to 0.7% of white males will enter State of Federal prison by the time they are age 20 and 21.4% of black males versus 1.4% of white males will be incarcerated by age 30. (U.S. Department of Justice) Some have noted that more black men are in prison in America than are in college. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128)
Do these statistics show the difference percentage wise between black and white people born in poverty? Are there statistics showing who is more likely to be a criminal between those in poverty and lower middle class?
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Do these statistics show the difference percentage wise between black and white people born in poverty? Are there statistics showing who is more likely to be a criminal between those in poverty and lower middle class?
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So being poor excuses criminal activity?
Being poor makes it OK to commit murder, rape, drug dealing, etc?
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Do these statistics show the difference percentage wise between black and white people born in poverty? Are there statistics showing who is more likely to be a criminal between those in poverty and lower middle class?
Yeah, everyone knows the white trash in their trailers are out car-jacking people, joining gangs, and killing each other in record numbers. The answers are quite simple if one takes the politically correct blinders off.
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So being poor excuses criminal activity?
Being poor makes it OK to commit murder, rape, drug dealing, etc?
I was not making that arguement, thats your words, not mine....
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I was not making that arguement, thats your words, not mine....
Not sure gotta check it up.
At the same time, some of the poverty can be explained through the IQ gap that research indicates is part genetic (blacks = shit outa luck).
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(blacks = shit outa luck).
Again, a racist post.
Obama= next president ;) George Bush= moron
Debussy= wrong
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Again, a racist post.
Obama= next president ;) George Bush= moron
Debussy= wrong
Mark Kerr=NO
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Again, a racist post.
Obama= next president ;) George Bush= moron
Debussy= wrong
No he's not. Blacks on average have lower IQ. Just like blacks on average have larger lips.
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Yeah, everyone knows the white trash in their trailers are out car-jacking people, joining gangs, and killing each other in record numbers. The answers are quite simple if one takes the politically correct blinders off.
Just say "no" to political correctness.
Just be correct.
Moosejay approved
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was the victim white black or Hispanic ??? i wonder which ethnic gang is going to beat him to death in prison
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was the victim white black or Hispanic ??? i wonder which ethnic gang is going to beat him to death in prison
Either way I'm sure the guards will be otherwise occupied.
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Again, a racist post.
Obama= next president ;) George Bush= moron
Debussy= wrong
It is still not racism. It is just refering to facts, and making a statement that having genes that probably leads to a low IQ (that correlates with income, criminal behaviour, academic achievement and so on) means one is already at a disadvantage compared to the average person with an IQ of 100 the moment one is born. It is still not a "value" judgement, just an observation.
Blacks probably also have better genes on average for becoming sprinters (not 100% sure about this one). Saying that blacks are lucky at birth if they want career in sports = not racist, now is it? ::)
If you think it is racism, please write solid arguments for it being so.
;)
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Again, a racist post.
Obama= next president ;) George Bush= moron
Debussy= wrong
Seems to me that Kerr is racist against morons
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i wonder if she was white. i can't believe this did not make the national news on tv...then again..yes i can. if he was white..they would hang him
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In a better world, his parents would have had their low quality genes detected and then they would have been sterilized to secure the future of civilization.
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Would you prefer a post on "which Falcon has the best glutes?",Bast000?
that would be more uplifting i suppose, but things of this nature haven't and won't be posted.
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It is still not racism. It is just refering to facts, and making a statement that having genes that probably leads to a low IQ (that correlates with income, criminal behaviour, academic achievement and so on) means one is already at a disadvantage compared to the average person with an IQ of 100 the moment one is born. It is still not a "value" judgement, just an observation.
Blacks probably also have better genes on average for becoming sprinters (not 100% sure about this one). Saying that blacks are lucky at birth if they want career in sports = not racist, now is it? ::)
If you think it is racism, please write solid arguments for it being so.
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I'm sure you have found some reliable statistics on www.whitesupremacy.com, however, there are some black people who are not good at sprinting. Go to the local prison and look for yourself. Also there are some low IQ white people; trailer park residents, squadfather, etc. ;)
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I'm sure you have found some reliable statistics on www.whitesupremacy.com, however, there are some black people who are not good at sprinting. Go to the local prison and look for yourself. Also there are some low IQ white people; trailer park residents, squadfather, etc. ;)
Are you retarded? When talking about "the average", the individuals that deviates from the average = not relevant.
And no, the research = done by experts on the field. Your ignorant presuppositions about the research (without doing any research on it yourself) = irrelevant. If you want to disagree with it, at least check it up, read it, and make your own informed opinion.
You = not very intelligent.
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Are you retarded? When talking about "the average", the individuals that deviates from the average is not relevant.
And no, the research = done by experts on the field. Your ignorant presuppositions about the research (without doing any research on it yourself) = irrelevant. If you want to disagree with it, at least check it up, read it, and make your own informed opinion.
You = not very intelligent.
i'm sure these guys acting politically correct cross the street when they see a man of similar appearance walking towards.
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i'm sure these guys acting politically correct cross the street when they see a man of similar appearance walking towards.
;)
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Are you retarded? When talking about "the average", the individuals that deviates from the average = not relevant.
And no, the research = done by experts on the field. Your ignorant presuppositions about the research (without doing any research on it yourself) = irrelevant. If you want to disagree with it, at least check it up, read it, and make your own informed opinion.
You = not very intelligent.
Let me tell you something about intelligence, arguing over the internet and getting as worked up about it as you does not = intelligent. Also, in your previous posts, moron, you made a generalized statement about people of different races. Some of your comments were indeed racist. I was trying to joke with you earlier in my post, but I guess someone with low intelligence can't understand sarcasm. I am not the ignorant, person debussey. I am just another dude on the internet fucking with you. My informed opinion, debussy= schmuck.
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Let me tell you something about intelligence, arguing over the internet and getting as worked up about it as you does not = intelligent.
This is a statement about character and the "online persona", not intelligence as related to IQ.
Also, in your previous posts, moron, you made a generalized statement about people of different races. Some of your comments were indeed racist.
No they were not. Please write a logical argument that points to the specific comment you view as racism and link it up to the definition of racism.
I was trying to joke with you earlier in my post, but I guess someone with low intelligence can't understand sarcasm.
When did comprehension of the humor of stupid people become a criteria for measuring intelligence?
I am not the ignorant, person debussey. I am just another dude on the internet fucking with you. My informed opinion, debussy= schmuck.
Actually, you are ignorant and dumb. And you would not get to fuck DEbussey unles syou paid it 1 million dollars for 1 hour.
:D
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This is a statement about character and the "online persona", not intelligence as related to IQ.
No they were not. Please write a logical argument that points to the specific comment you view as racism and link it up to the definition of racism.
When did comprehension of the humor of stupid people become a criteria for measuring intelligence?
Actually, you are ignorant and dumb. And you would not get to fuck DEbussey unles syou paid it 1 million dollars for 1 hour.
:D
Again, you are a schmuck.
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Again, you are a schmuck.
Happy to be an asshole, but you still lost this discussion because you lack brainpower.
And losing against DEbussey must suck, because Debusseys IQ = 53.
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>:(
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was the victim white black or Hispanic ??? i wonder which ethnic gang is going to beat him to death in prison
"black man tortures white girl" not to be seen anywherez. Razor blades in balloons up his rectum. yep yep.
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After seeing his picture, Debussey = not suprised.
From 1976 until 2004, despite their comprising approximately 12% of the population, African-Americans comprised the majority (52%) of criminal offenders arrested and convicted of homicide (murder and manslaughter), and a large proportion (46.9%) of homicide victims
Amen
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Nig should be tortured just as he tortured the girl, kept alive for years, and every month someone re tortures him
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Nig should be tortured just as he tortured the girl, kept alive for years, and every month someone re tortures him
If convicted (being politically correct) he should be sentenced to a daily raping.
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After seeing his picture, Debussey = not suprised.
From 1976 until 2004, despite their comprising approximately 12% of the population, African-Americans comprised the majority (52%) of criminal offenders arrested and convicted of homicide (murder and manslaughter), and a large proportion (46.9%) of homicide victims
Are you saying that skin colour is not arbitrary and there may be genetic components explaining why black people commit seven times the violent crime as white people?
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If convicted (being politically correct) he should be sentenced to a daily raping.
lol
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Sorry, but did the victim actually gouge out her own eye balls?
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If convicted (being politically correct) he should be sentenced to a daily raping.
Absolutely my brutha. When you do something that heinous you deserve an "eye for an eye", and then some.
I feel bad for the girl's family. What an awful way to remember your daughter/sister/niece's last days. Nobody deserves that.
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My 2 cents...Our government doesn't care about people like this...They don't care if he kills, drugs or whatever as long as he does this to middle to lower class citizens...The fact that she was a Colombia grad with a journalism degree basically will seal this guys fate in prison...
My guess is he will be taken out within 3 to 5 years in prison...If he did this to a lower class citizen, then it wouldn't matter
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It sounds like the victim may be still alive. Is she or did she die after the incident?
Died.
Doctors later said the woman's liver had failed, probably because of the medicine, and that a liver transplant might be necessary. Fortunately, the transplant was not needed, Prunty said.
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Died.
I think your wrong. The word fortunatly would mean she survived, if she died they would've said unfortunatly; also his charges don't include murder
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My Q is: How, how, can people be so evil?? And.. I have a feeling that this is happening more in USA then in any other country, why is it so?
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My Q is: How, how, can people be so evil?? And.. I have a feeling that this is happening more in USA then in any other country, why is it so?
We have a nosier press corps? ???
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We have a nosier press corps? ???
That's definitely part of it. I wonder how much our glorification (mainly in film) of sick shit like this--like in the SAW and Hannibal Lecter movies (which I love BTW)--contributes to this. What I'm getting at is, these no-name sickos see a chance to make a name for themselves and maybe have a movie made about them..
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That's definitely part of it. I wonder how much our glorification (mainly in film) of sick shit like this--like in the SAW and Hannibal Lecter movies (which I love BTW)--contributes to this. What I'm getting at is, these no-name sickos see a chance to make a name for themselves and maybe have a movie made about them..
Yeah, that Korean dude who shot up VA tech knew he was going to be a "star" Seems like they all have manifestoes these days.
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That's definitely part of it. I wonder how much our glorification (mainly in film) of sick shit like this--like in the SAW and Hannibal Lecter movies (which I love BTW)--contributes to this. What I'm getting at is, these no-name sickos see a chance to make a name for themselves and maybe have a movie made about them..
They get those movies in other countries too - but they don't seem to have as much of a problem with psychos.
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My Q is: How, how, can people be so evil?? And.. I have a feeling that this is happening more in USA then in any other country, why is it so?
The only way people are evil in this way is if they have a total lack of empathy. It hurts me to know someone suffers, but some feel absolutely nothing in regards to others suffering. In some cases people even feel joy. I have to disagree on your second comment about more in US. There are other countries that make what happens in US kindergarden....Nigeria, South Africa, Columbia etc. In some countries there is very little press so situations like this are easy to hide.
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Are you saying that skin colour is not arbitrary and there may be genetic components explaining why black people commit seven times the violent crime as white people?
Probably arises from the same genetic component that makes you idiotically insert your inflammatory racial bigotry into as many threads as you can. ::)
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Probably arises from the same genetic component that makes you idiotically insert your inflammatory racial bigotry into as many threads as you can. ::)
Some people on this board may consider this beeing a fine example of Matt"Swastika"C getting owned by Dr.Chimps
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If convicted (being politically correct) he should be sentenced to a daily raping.
well, he would like that...then it would not be a 'torture' dont you think? ???
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What sort of sick fuck is this guy, I hope the prison population run a train on his ass.
(http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/04/20/amd_rape_suspect.jpg)
NEW YORK - An ex-convict went on trial Thursday on charges of raping, torturing and burning a Columbia University graduate student in a 19-hour attack during which her eyelids were slit and she was forced to take so many painkillers that her liver failed.
Robert Williams, 31, sat with chained arms and legs, his head lowered, as the prosecutor delivered an opening statement that left several people in the courtroom weeping.
Williams turned the victim's small one-bedroom apartment into "his torture chamber" and violated the 23-year-old woman "in every way imaginable and in some ways unimaginable," Assistant District Attorney Ann Prunty told the jury.
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Prunty said Williams stopped the torture only after the victim — who at one point during the ordeal tried to kill herself — blacked out from hours of pain caused by knife wounds, boiling water, battering and sexual assaults.
"Then he could no longer feel power over another human being," Prunty said.
Life in prison if convicted
Williams is charged with kidnapping, arson, burglary and sexual assault. He faces life in prison if convicted.
The defendant's lawyer, Arnold Levine, tried but failed to have Williams declared mentally unfit for trial. Levine did not make an opening statement.
The victim, a Columbia University journalism graduate student, found Williams in her building's elevator in the Hamilton Heights neighborhood of Upper Manhattan when she came home around 9:30 p.m. on April 13, 2007, Prunty said. She said he followed her to her fifth-floor apartment and attacked her.
During the brutal ordeal, Prunty told jurors, Williams raped the victim, poured boiling water over her, hurled a pot of bleach in her face, ordered her to gouge out her own eyes with a pair of scissors, sealed her lips shut with glue and duct tape and slit her eyelids with a butcher's knife.
After one assault, he forced the woman to swallow a fistful of pills from her medicine cabinet and wash them down with four beers, Prunty said.
Doctors later said the woman's liver had failed, probably because of the medicine, and that a liver transplant might be necessary. Fortunately, the transplant was not needed, Prunty said.
The woman at one point tried to plunge a pair of scissors into her own neck in a bid to commit suicide.
After about 19 hours, Prunty said, Williams tied the naked, unconscious woman to a futon with computer cables and set it on fire. The woman awoke and smelled smoke, broke free and made her way to the hallway, where she was rescued.
Prunty said Williams' DNA was found on the victim and her clothing, and her DNA was found on his clothing. Security cameras captured him trying to withdraw money with the woman's ATM card, she said.
During the time she was conscious, Prunty said, the victim studied Williams closely. Prunty said every scar and feature she later described to police matched the appearance of the defendant.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24993223/
i can take care of him. i have some ideas for him :D
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That's definitely part of it. I wonder how much our glorification (mainly in film) of sick shit like this--like in the SAW and Hannibal Lecter movies (which I love BTW)--contributes to this.
Always an interesting question.
'The Strangers', which features one of the characters getting his face blown off, opened May 30th. Less than a week later, Amanda Savell dies of an apparent gunshot blast to the face.
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The guy is a vicious animal. No American prison is capable of turning him into a person.
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Always an interesting question.
'The Strangers', which features one of the characters getting his face blown off, opened May 30th. Less than a week later, Amanda Savell dies of an apparent gunshot blast to the face.
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The guy is a vicious animal. No American prison is capable of turning him into a person.
there is no logic in this (IMHO)...movies ARE made of someones imagination OR based in real facts some times...unfortunately, real life is always more frightening than movies...
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They should execute that bastard.
in the exact manner as he did her....19 hrs worth of pain..
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What comes into a persons mind making him do a thing like this?
Why did he gouge the eyeballs for example?
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People will talk all kind of shit.
And No one NO ONE will do anything about it.
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What comes into a persons mind making him do a thing like this?
Why did he gouge the eyeballs for example?
well, its a mind of a psicopath..there is no logic to it, or at least, there is no 'reasonable' logic to it...you will never understand his reasons. 'Normal' people always have somekind of moral, of good sense that prevents you to do some things....like when someone say something to you and you think' i would kill that motherf*cker' but you dont do it..well, some people dont have this kind of block...
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Then you'd be no better as this is pretty much what he did to that poor girl.
HAHHAHAHHAHAH Your a tard.
He did what he did for no another reason except to enjoy it. It turned him on and he got off on what he did.
Doing it to him would be punishment. I see a very big diff in the 2.
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I'm sure you have found some reliable statistics on www.whitesupremacy.com, however, there are some black people who are not good at sprinting. Go to the local prison and look for yourself. Also there are some low IQ white people; trailer park residents, squadfather, etc. ;)
There are always going to be exceptions.
The majority of blacks are better runners (better athletes in general)
The majority of whites have an higher IQ.
Facts or not racist.
Being politicaly correct is killing this country.
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And to think America wants a fucking jungle monkey as their president. Fucking blacks are animals plain and simple. Fuckers should be made into slaves again.
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I thought you were Jamaican? ???
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Are you saying that skin colour is not arbitrary and there may be genetic components explaining why black people commit seven times the violent crime as white people?
Absolutely.
Let us compare the black/white stuff to ant colonies. Ant colonies are perversely complex, with millions of ants working to creates thousands of halls, food stortage rooms, egg rooms and so on. The whole colony works great, yet, NOBODY is in real time control. The complexity of the ant colony is created from spontaneous interaction between millions of ants with simple instructions for interaction and behaviour that is encoded in their genes. On the single ant level, the interactions might seem almost completely spontane! Thus, the ant colony is a non linear system with chaotic phenomena that is in large determined by the single instructions in each ant, when the ants spontaneously interact. Change the initial conditions just a little bit, and the whole ant colony would change completely.
The same probably holds true for humans. The prime reasons for the original difference (before teh mixing) between the "blacks/whites/oriental" societies = probably that the complexity that evolved (the complex society) became different because of slight differences in each average humans genes (= initial conditions).
And since these differences in "initial conditions" are still with us, many blacks might have more problems surviving and thriving in a modern western society because their programmed set of rules simply does not work with the complexity in which the person is supposed to live. It would be like putting a bee inside an ant farm: It does not play out well for the ant colony. (brutal extreme example).
Of course, this is highly speculative, but indicated by how different the historical societies of different races are (even if we take different living conditions out of it), and how we still see the differences in the individuals today (all the genetic differences between the races, even the IQ ones ;D )
Of course, this is highly speculative, and not to be taken as a fact. But the suspicion that this might be the case = there. The ant colony works best when most ants have the same initial conditions programmed in, as the complexity that evolves serves the "common good" and can more easily be predicted.
Some fools might doubt the main idea here, so lets examplify this: If you make an entire society up out of people with an average IQ of 120 or 130, and remove genetical predispositions for diseases and so on, the main output of this society, if given 100 units of resources W I L L be completely different than if you make up another society that gets 100 units of resources, a society with the same amount of members that have an average IQ of 90, and that are not stripped of genetical predispositions for diseases. Simple concept really: Different initial conditions = a different result when the system develops over time.
Also, if you take IQ and shit out of the equation, but simply look at the "behavioural encoding" of each individual, having different encodings that leads to a poorly functioning system = a bad idea (and since these encodings = in teh genes, well well :o ). Some of it might be possible to overcome with social conditioning, but the problem will still remain, and it can probably not be fixed with wealth, social conditioning or squat. It is just like the ant farm. It does not work if each ant is not programmed with the exact rules that forms the complex ant colony when the ants spontaneously interact.
This is all fucked up really, because in a modern human society, nobody is really in real time control, yet, the development of the society, albeit a result of chaotic occurences on many levels still has some order to it, it leads to a certain direction, and this is a result of how each individual is (again, due to the average individual being the "intial conditions", and the emerging complexity albeit being seemingly random is in reality eventually decided to a large degree by the initial conditions). Thus, the average quality and "make up" of the individual might eventually be the best predictor of where the society = headed. So, the most successful society = probably the one that most cynically controls the "initial conditions", meaning, the ones that are the most politically incorrect. ;D
Debusseys theory: The first society that "designs" every citizen via genetic engineering while be at the leading edge, no doubt about it, while the societies that does not do this eventually will perish.
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People will talk all kind of shit.
And No one NO ONE will do anything about it.
cus none of us are in jail with him
luckily prisons across america are filled with codes and this mofo will see some shit happen to him from some mexicans or some aryan gang
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this 'man 'needs to be stabbed in the left eye with a knife . his eye socket will then be gangraped. his belly opened with a motor saw, then huge amounts of vomit and poo need to be dumped into his gaping belly. hands and feet chopped off then deep fried infront of him before they too are placed in his belly. top of his head needs to be removed as he is still alive and acid is dropped on his brain. his legs will then be submerged into boiling water and a hand grenade placed into his rectum. what is left will be fed to pigs.
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this 'man 'needs to be stabbed in the left eye with a knife . his eye socket will then be gangraped. his belly opened with a motor saw, then huge amounts of vomit and poo need to be dumped into his gaping belly. hands and feet chopped off then deep fried infront of him before they too are placed in his belly. top of his head needs to be removed as he is still alive and acid is dropped on his brain. his legs will then be submerged into boiling water and a hand grenade placed into his rectum. what is left will be fed to pigs.
That sounds like fun :D
Although the best bet for the future is sterilizing the parents of these kinds of people, making it impossible for them to spread their genes, thus, eventually removing risk elements like this from society to a large degree.
Simply: Only let the fit breede. The payoff would eventually become enormous, and the "cost" would just be going against values that are not serving the future of mankind anyway. :D
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They need to bust the midevil torture deviced for this fellow.
How's about that coffin with nails? They used that for peagan witches and stuff, so why not this scum too? :)
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That sounds like fun :D
Although the best bet for the future is sterilizing the parents of these kinds of people, making it impossible for them to spread their genes, thus, eventually removing risk elements like this from society to a large degree.
Simply: Only let the fit breede. The payoff would eventually become enormous, and the "cost" would just be going against values that are not serving the future of mankind anyway. :D
Ukergenics
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That sounds like fun :D
Although the best bet for the future is sterilizing the parents of these kinds of people, making it impossible for them to spread their genes, thus, eventually removing risk elements like this from society to a large degree.
Simply: Only let the fit breede. The payoff would eventually become enormous, and the "cost" would just be going against values that are not serving the future of mankind anyway. :D
all i want is some one on one time with the pig. i have a good imagination. id mengelize him.
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so, which are the superiour race?
Whites or Blacks ;D
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Ukergenics
(http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/uecker_f.jpg)
If you forget all political ideas, and just look at the "benign form of eugenics" idea (hey Chris Langan), it is the best way to improve mankind, and ensure the future for us all. It will eventually be done anyway, and the dumb values of today will be forgotten for a superior and more pragmatic system of values based on scientific knowledge that leads to the most optimal civilization, instead of irrational values that does not help anybody because they lead to results most people today can not predict because it is beyond them.
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No doubt, this guy probably had an IQ in the 80s somewhere. A total failure in life, before even being born.
Actually, the average IQ of violent black criminals is 77. 85 is the average IQ of blacks. With an average IQ of 77 and 30% more testosterone than whites, black criminals are too stupid and aggressive to not assault, rape or kill.
A man with an IQ of 130 who has very high testosterone might take out his agressiveness by doing MMA and relieve his strong lust by having lots of protected sex with prostitutes. He won't go around picking fights, killing people, raping women or having lots of unprotected sex with several different women because his high intelligence allows him to understand and predict the consequences of his actions.
However, a black man with an IQ of 77 is too stupid to understand that Society has organized itself in a way that punishes men who use force to get what they want out of life, and that in 99% of cases the cost-benefit of robbing, raping and murdering isn't worth it. And his high testosterone makes him impulsive and aggressive. High testosterone without the breaks of high intelligence equals disaster. If I were a lawyer, I would vouch for a mental incompetence plea. It is ridiculous to execute a man with an IQ of 77 because that is the brain power a white child has at age 10. Would you execute a 10 year-old child if he killed someone? If criminals can get acquitted if it is proven that they are insane, then criminals should get acquitted also if it is proven that they are too stupid to understand what they're doing. A child at 12 cannot be legally prosecuted for a crime, and yet the child at that age has an IQ of 85 by adult standards, and yet we execute a man who has an IQ of 77? Riddle me that?
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If you forget all political ideas, and just look at the "benign form of eugenics" idea (hey Chris Langan), it is the best way to improve mankind, and ensure the future for us all. It will eventually be done anyway, and the dumb values of today will be forgotten for a superior and more pragmatic system of values based on scientific knowledge that leads to the most optimal civilization, instead of irrational values that does not help anybody because they lead to results most people today can not predict because it is beyond them.
Good idea, of course, but in places like the US, where they are bending over backwards to accommodate evey third world illegal alien, insist on forcing children of vastly different learning abilities and behavior to share classrooms, thus destroying a once great educational system, and acting as apologists for chronic deviate behavior of certain segments of the population, how do you think it can ever get to the level where the government would allow genetic manipulation for intelligence. We're moving in reverse, not forward. When you see the white kid, speaking in the ghetto slang with his underwear showing out his pants, you know we're moving towards a de-evolution of society.
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Actually, the average IQ of violent black criminals is 77. 85 is the average IQ of blacks. With an average IQ of 77 and 30% more testosterone than whites, black criminals are too stupid and aggressive to not assault, rape or kill.
A man with an IQ of 130 who has very high testosterone might take out his agressiveness by doing MMA and relieve his strong lust by having lots of protected sex with prostitutes. He won't go around picking fights, killing people, raping women or having lots of unprotected sex with several different women because his high intelligence allows him to understand and predict the consequences of his actions.
However, a black man with an IQ of 77 is too stupid to understand that Society has organized itself in a way that punishes men who use force to get what they want out of life, and that in 99% of cases the cost-benefit of robbing, raping and murdering isn't worth it. And his high testosterone makes him impulsive and aggressive. High testosterone without the breaks of high intelligence equals disaster. If I were a lawyer, I would vouch for a mental incompetence plea. It is ridiculous to execute a man with an IQ of 77 because that is the brain power a white child has at age 10. Would you execute a 10 year-old child if he killed someone? If criminals can get acquitted if it is proven that they are insane, then criminals should get acquitted also if it is proven that they are too stupid to understand what they're doing. A child at 12 cannot be legally prosecuted for a crime, and yet the child at that age has an IQ of 85 by adult standards, and yet we execute a man who has an IQ of 77? Riddle me that?
The best thing to do is to institutionalize a testing program where parents suspectible to getting kids with 77IQ's would be legally sterilized or prohibited from having children. It is not fair to anyone (even the 77IQ person) to allow people like that to be born in mass quantities, because people like this simply ain't fit to make their own way in society, and they are a danger to everybody. Call it racist, call it whatever you want, but the results speak for themselves. The society that thrives in the future is the society that institutionalize efforts that ensures that people like that is never born. It is not fair to anyone. Eventually, when genetic engineering becomes sufficiently advanced, parents with "77IQ" genes can have kids when the egg can be manipulated to ensure a kid with genes that ensure that the kid is fit to make its own way in society.
Debussey thinks a high testosterone/77 IQ person should be spent as little resources on as possible, and an execution can be performed.
Let us face it: As long as 77IQ people are in society, crime will be a huge problem, no matter how much money and shit you throw at them.
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Good idea, of course, but in places like the US, where they are bending over backwards to accommodate evey third world illegal alien, insist on forcing children of vastly different learning abilities and behavior to share classrooms, thus destroying a once great educational system, and acting as apologists for chronic deviate behavior of certain segments of the population, how do you think it can ever get to the level where the government would allow genetic manipulation for intelligence. We're moving in reverse, not forward. When you see the white kid, speaking in the ghetto slang with his underwear showing out his pants, you know we're moving towards a de-evolution of society.
You forget a few things. 1: Almost every parent wants the best for its children, even the dumbest fools are hardwired to feel that way. Thus, when someone gets a chance to improve the genes of their child so that the child gets much better chances in life, most people would jump on that opportunity as long as they have access to it (that would require a change in society though. If the technology became available today, only rich people would get access to it, as it probably would become outlawed and/or extremely expensive).
The "de-evolution" of society is not really a long term concept, given that the technology to enhanche ourselves becomes available within 30 - 50 years. Society is progressing in many ways, but as usual, it is the top 10 - 20% that = responsible for it. When we get the technology to make everyone "top 20%", it might solve a lot of things.
The "white gangstas" argument is not sufficient enough to describe the "de-evolution" in society, although Debussey agrees that the trend is seen in many areas. For example: Stupid people with low IQ's replicate at a far higher rate than smart people with high quality genes, thus, the average citizen becomes dumber and dumber. Fortunately, this will be solved with genetic engineering. Also remember that the "numbers" of people in a group is a declining "power factor". INtelligence and control over resources (that makes human workers more and more obsolete) and technology = the new "power factors", and those belong to the elite. So high resource people = probably not losing a lot of control although they are a declining portion of humanity (for the time being).
Debussey understands that its statements might seem "morally dead" if analyzed by todays values/paradigm, but todays values/paradigm = inferior because it produces a society that is declining in many ways, and todays paradigm = simply not solving the many problems humanity = facing. Todays paradigm = even contradicting science in many ways.
Debusseyworld! :D
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Debusseyworld! :D
Is this one of those fun parks with rides and shit or is it some dystopic nightmare place replete with mirrors and countless doors that lead nowhere? ;)
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Is this one of those fun parks with rides and shit or is it some dystopic nightmare place replete with mirrors and countless doors that lead nowhere? ;)
It is the world of transhumans with a tint of Gary Buseys genes in them. Debusseyworlds themepark is fun, with a nice roller coaster ride.
In Debusseyworld, everybody wears this:
(http://codebrigade.com/images/Gary-Busey-1sm.gif)
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Probably arises from the same genetic component that makes you idiotically insert your inflammatory racial bigotry into as many threads as you can. ::)
statistical facts are not racist.
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statistical facts are not racist.
Not so fast there, Big_Tymer. Empiricism and statistics are different countries. Given a premise, I can 'prove' almost anything with statistics. Benjamin Disraeli was noted as saying "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Gotta be VERY careful with being declarative and definitive in regards to statistics, let alone the inferences drawn from them.
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Not so fast there, Big_Tymer. Empiricism and statistics are different countries. Given a premise, I can 'prove' almost anything with statistics. Benjamin Disraeli was noted as saying "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Gotta be VERY careful with being declarative and definitive in regards to statistics, let alone the inferences drawn from them.
Do you personally believes that africans on average have worse genetics for intelligence than whites? Do you believe africans have slightly different "behavioral programming" in their genes? ;D
-> A super small difference in genetically programmed behavioural programs and average aptitude can create a society vastly different.
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It is the world of transhumans with a tint of Gary Buseys genes in them. Debusseyworlds themepark is fun, with a nice roller coaster ride.
In Debusseyworld, everybody wears this:
(http://codebrigade.com/images/Gary-Busey-1sm.gif)
LOL. I can deal, although I don't know if I have the gompers to complete the look. Does entrance to the park require a dark side, lower companion? :D
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LOL. I can deal, although I don't know if I have the gompers to complete the look. Does entrance to the park require a dark side, lower companion? :D
Entrance to the park require that you either wear the yellow CODE shirt, or this:
(http://codebrigade.com/images/Gary-Busey-2sm.gif)
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From 08:55 -> to the end. Brutal goosebumps.
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Do you personally believes that africans on average have worse genetics for intelligence than whites? Do you believe africans have slightly different "behavioral programming" in their genes? ;D
-> A super small difference in genetically programmed behavioural programs and average aptitude can create a society vastly different.
Too vague and too many contingencies to answer definitively. Jared Diamond and S.J. Gould (particularly in his 'Mis-measure of Man') answer these questions and others related to biological determinism much better than I could anyway. I'll defer to them. I will say that I do count my blessings that I live where I have access to the world's best technology and pastimes rather than trying to eke out a miserable life/living/ in some basket-case country led by the kleptocrat-of-the-day. :)
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Too vague and too many contingencies to answer definitively. Jared Diamond and S.J. Gould (particularly in his 'Mis-measure of Man') answer these questions and others related to biological determinism much better than I could anyway. I'll defer to them. I will say that I do count my blessings that I live where I have access to the world's best technology and pastimes rather than trying to eke out a miserable life/living/ in some basket-case country led by the kleptocrat-of-the-day. :)
Where do you live? In penis land?
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Where do you live? In penis land?
LOL. No. Right next door in Canuckistan.
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LOL. No. Right next door in Canuckistan.
Seems great. Debussey lives part time in the alien space ship still, where the 6 hour daily rapings with the anal prove still persists >:(
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America , land of the free
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America , land of the free
Not if your vision of how a society should be = the reality ;)
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Not if your vision of how a society should be = the reality ;)
Here's a question for ya, Debussey. I remember reading about one's guy's thesis about the life cycle of empires, and it included (I think) establishment, growth and expansion, complacency and finally collapse. I wonder if we are seeing the complacency part in the US right now? This ring a bell with you or who the guy was? ???
/pissing me off that i can't trace this down >:(
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that's not DMX
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..the research is certainly mounting, but I don't see the point of the racial distinctions relating to a 5 point drift when the variation among a random sample of people is anything up to 50 points.
For example, rather than separating people by race you could draw lines based on glasses wearing... people who need glasses/contacts due to myopia (short-sightedness) have higher IQs (on average).
But the mechanism here is well understood, abundant quality calories throughout gestation and early childhood raise insulin levels to the point that the eye is shortened (or lengthened, can't remember)... hence, well fed wealthy people are more likely to have short sighted children... and that's enough to skew the IQ average.
Anyway, there are bigger scandals brewing in medical circles than a simple black/white IQ discrepancy.
There are a few circumstances under which this guy could actually walk with no jail time (based on medical research).
The Luke
teh mal has new respect for teh luke...
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teh mal has new respect for teh luke...
Your new name: JazzMal.
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What sort of sick fuck is this guy, I hope the prison population run a train on his ass.
(http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/04/20/amd_rape_suspect.jpg)
NEW YORK - An ex-convict went on trial Thursday on charges of raping, torturing and burning a Columbia University graduate student in a 19-hour attack during which her eyelids were slit and she was forced to take so many painkillers that her liver failed.
Robert Williams, 31, sat with chained arms and legs, his head lowered, as the prosecutor delivered an opening statement that left several people in the courtroom weeping.
Williams turned the victim's small one-bedroom apartment into "his torture chamber" and violated the 23-year-old woman "in every way imaginable and in some ways unimaginable," Assistant District Attorney Ann Prunty told the jury.
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Prunty said Williams stopped the torture only after the victim — who at one point during the ordeal tried to kill herself — blacked out from hours of pain caused by knife wounds, boiling water, battering and sexual assaults.
"Then he could no longer feel power over another human being," Prunty said.
Life in prison if convicted
Williams is charged with kidnapping, arson, burglary and sexual assault. He faces life in prison if convicted.
The defendant's lawyer, Arnold Levine, tried but failed to have Williams declared mentally unfit for trial. Levine did not make an opening statement.
The victim, a Columbia University journalism graduate student, found Williams in her building's elevator in the Hamilton Heights neighborhood of Upper Manhattan when she came home around 9:30 p.m. on April 13, 2007, Prunty said. She said he followed her to her fifth-floor apartment and attacked her.
During the brutal ordeal, Prunty told jurors, Williams raped the victim, poured boiling water over her, hurled a pot of bleach in her face, ordered her to gouge out her own eyes with a pair of scissors, sealed her lips shut with glue and duct tape and slit her eyelids with a butcher's knife.
After one assault, he forced the woman to swallow a fistful of pills from her medicine cabinet and wash them down with four beers, Prunty said.
Doctors later said the woman's liver had failed, probably because of the medicine, and that a liver transplant might be necessary. Fortunately, the transplant was not needed, Prunty said.
The woman at one point tried to plunge a pair of scissors into her own neck in a bid to commit suicide.
After about 19 hours, Prunty said, Williams tied the naked, unconscious woman to a futon with computer cables and set it on fire. The woman awoke and smelled smoke, broke free and made her way to the hallway, where she was rescued.
Prunty said Williams' DNA was found on the victim and her clothing, and her DNA was found on his clothing. Security cameras captured him trying to withdraw money with the woman's ATM card, she said.
During the time she was conscious, Prunty said, the victim studied Williams closely. Prunty said every scar and feature she later described to police matched the appearance of the defendant.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24993223/
And they cant get a cab in ny ::)
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Stereotypes are usually fueled by racism. Therefore debussey=stereotyping racist. ;)
Uh, yeah. And sterotypes are also fueled by fear as well.
If a white woman doesn't get on an elevator with a black man she doesn't know, that's not racism, that's fear.
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don't say he didnt warn you. :D
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Dr Chimps,
I think what you are referring to is Dr (Prof?) Jared Diamond's books "Guns, Germs and Steel" and more relevantly his new book "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail".
Diamond's theories are certainly on the right track... but I think the issue at the core of this current discussion is DYSGENIA.
Dysgenic cultures are those in which societal pressures cause a drop in median IQ (the IQ which the most people have: it's about 96 in most cultures where the AVERAGE is 100), there are very few examples of human societies that were actively EUGENIC in the true sense... and that's given eugenics a bad name: the Nazis are a perfect example of a group practicing genocidal dysgenics under the guise of eugenics (ie: a group of sheep-stupid morons culling an ethnic group with above average IQs: European Jews).
Caveman culture is passively eugenic (which caused the evolution of big-brained humans from earlier hominids in the first place), but sadly, agricultural/industrial society is passively dysgenic and therefore intrinsically unstable... lower IQ people out-breed the higher IQ caste which in turn leads to societal collapse (the "complacency" before the collapse).
The Luke
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Dr Chimps,
I think what you are referring to is Dr (Prof?) Jared Diamond's books "Guns, Germs and Steel" and more relevantly his new book "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail".
Diamond's theories are certainly on the right track... but I think the issue at the core of this current discussion is DYSGENIA.
Dysgenic cultures are those in which societal pressures cause a drop in median IQ (the IQ which the most people have: it's about 96 in most cultures where the AVERAGE is 100), there are very few examples of human societies that were actively EUGENIC in the true sense... and that's given eugenics a bad name: the Nazis are a perfect example of a group practicing genocidal dysgenics under the guise of eugenics (ie: a group of sheep-stupid morons culling an ethnic group with above average IQs: European Jews).
Caveman culture is passively eugenic (which caused the evolution of big-brained humans from earlier hominids in the first place), but sadly, agricultural/industrial society is passively dysgenic and therefore intrinsically unstable... lower IQ people out-breed the higher IQ caste which in turn leads to societal collapse (the "complacency" before the collapse).
The Luke
Great post 8)
That society allows low IQ people to breed tons of sub - 80IQ bastards = &%#/&%Q/#¤.
Luckily, genetic engineering will put a stop to this, at least to a certain degree.
Eugenics = needed.
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Here's a question for ya, Debussey. I remember reading about one's guy's thesis about the life cycle of empires, and it included (I think) establishment, growth and expansion, complacency and finally collapse. I wonder if we are seeing the complacency part in the US right now? This ring a bell with you or who the guy was? ???
/pissing me off that i can't trace this down >:(
Will comment on this later.
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I am sure she was just another white b*tch to him! I didn't even read but I am assuming she is white correct?
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just f_ckn sad that someone could do shit like that
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Too vague and too many contingencies to answer definitively. Jared Diamond and S.J. Gould (particularly in his 'Mis-measure of Man') answer these questions and others related to biological determinism much better than I could anyway. I'll defer to them. I will say that I do count my blessings that I live where I have access to the world's best technology and pastimes rather than trying to eke out a miserable life/living/ in some basket-case country led by the kleptocrat-of-the-day. :)
Chimps, would you agree [and indeed as stated at Wikipedia] that Diamond's contention is that Europeans have been successful [at building civilizations] purely due to environmental forces? That European civilization is purely a result of environmental need rather than an innate ability? That the success of Europeans at civilization building isn't based in genetics, but rather, is environmental? That the driver is to be found within a groups reaction to ecological factors rather than anything at the ethnocentric level thereof?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Diamond
Would you agree?
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You guys are fucking morons, rambling on about lower IQs in black people in some feeble attempt to 'scientifically' justify your ignorant and unsophisticated world views. Jesus tapdancing Christ, it's 2008. Read a book.
The amount of genetic separation that sets apart black people from white people (or any race from any other race) is so absurdly minuscule that it's not even worth a discussion, let alone an attempt to explain why one group's IQ is lower than another.
What's at work here is completely left to social factors, which is a whole other discussion that I won't even bother to get into.
And when it comes to the OP's topic, rest assured that this guy will be dead within a few months of his sentence. As soon as the other prisoners find out the details about what he did, he's done. Prison justice never fails.
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Dr Chimps,
I think what you are referring to is Dr (Prof?) Jared Diamond's books "Guns, Germs and Steel" and more relevantly his new book "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail".
Diamond's theories are certainly on the right track... but I think the issue at the core of this current discussion is DYSGENIA.
Dysgenic cultures are those in which societal pressures cause a drop in median IQ (the IQ which the most people have: it's about 96 in most cultures where the AVERAGE is 100), there are very few examples of human societies that were actively EUGENIC in the true sense... and that's given eugenics a bad name: the Nazis are a perfect example of a group practicing genocidal dysgenics under the guise of eugenics (ie: a group of sheep-stupid morons culling an ethnic group with above average IQs: European Jews).
Caveman culture is passively eugenic (which caused the evolution of big-brained humans from earlier hominids in the first place), but sadly, agricultural/industrial society is passively dysgenic and therefore intrinsically unstable... lower IQ people out-breed the higher IQ caste which in turn leads to societal collapse (the "complacency" before the collapse).
The Luke
Go read another book. Professors, Academics, and some of the best authors in the world stood behind Hitler during WWII and the genocide including Thomas Mann. Highly misinformed
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She should have pulled her legally concealed handgun and gave the kid a brain eviction in that elevator shaft.
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You guys are fucking morons, rambling on about lower IQs in black people in some feeble attempt to 'scientifically' justify your ignorant and unsophisticated world views. Jesus tapdancing Christ, it's 2008. Read a book.
The amount of genetic separation that sets apart black people from white people (or any race from any other race) is so absurdly minuscule that it's not even worth a discussion, let alone an attempt to explain why one group's IQ is lower than another.
What's at work here is completely left to social factors, which is a whole other discussion that I won't even bother to get into.
And when it comes to the OP's topic, rest assured that this guy will be dead within a few months of his sentence. As soon as the other prisoners find out the details about what he did, he's done. Prison justice never fails.
Read a book written by whom? The scientific consensus does not agree that what is at work here is "completely left to social factors", but clearly you know better than the majority of scientists right? ::)
And 1% or even 0.1% of genetic variation is EXTREMELY significant in biological terms.
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She should have pulled her legally concealed handgun and gave the kid a brain eviction in that elevator shaft.
She had a gun and didnt use it ???
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I am sure she was just another white b*tch to him! I didn't even read but I am assuming she is white correct?
And you're just another illiterate ass.
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Chimps, would you agree [and indeed as stated at Wikipedia] that Diamond's contention is that Europeans have been successful [at building civilizations] purely due to environmental forces? That European civilization is purely a result of environmental need rather than an innate ability? That the success of Europeans at civilization building isn't based in genetics, but rather, is environmental? That the driver is to be found within a groups reaction to ecological factors rather than anything at the ethnocentric level thereof?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Diamond
Would you agree?
Hi Matt. Late to the party. Actually, that was the charge leveled against Diamond for Guns, Germs and Steel, although I thought he went to great lengths to argue against such a determinative argument. I really did. His following book, Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed addresses this criticism nicely as well as further arguing his point. :)
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Go read another book. Professors, Academics, and some of the best authors in the world stood behind Hitler during WWII and the genocide including Thomas Mann. Highly misinformed
Umm, Thomas Mann, like a lot of German writers found refuge in the USA during WWII precisely because they found the Nazi regime so hideous. Mann was particularly noted for his Sunday brunches in Hollywood. Sorry. Try again. :-\
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Hi Matt. Late to the party. Actually, that was the charge leveled against Diamond for Guns, Germs and Steel, although I thought he went to great lengths to argue against such a determinative argument. I really did. His following book, Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed addresses this criticism nicely as well as further arguing his point. :)
The [unambiguous] question was:
Chimps, would you agree [and indeed as stated at Wikipedia] that Diamond's contention is that Europeans have been successful [at building civilizations] purely due to environmental forces? That European civilization is purely a result of environmental need rather than an innate ability? That the success of Europeans at civilization building isn't based in genetics, but rather, is environmental? That the driver is to be found within a groups reaction to ecological factors rather than anything at the ethnocentric level thereof?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Diamond
Would you agree?
To be clear, the above rhetorical question stated Diamond's position; I'm simply seeking clarification from you that the above Diamond position is one you fully agree with? After all, you have already stated you defer to Diamond, or has that now changed?
Do you agree with Diamond's notion re: environment, not genetics?
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I think a brain dissection is in order here... this behaviour is so aberrant it would indicate a total lack of empathy, which most probably is the result of some sort of syndrome, pathology or genetic variation.
This sort of thing has happened before (the BTK case comes to mind) and execution always deprives the scientific community of their test subjects.
I believe an enlightened society would study such people under a controlled environment as their actions are so beyond the Pale as to belie some sort of special circumstance... something that might be identifiable... detectable... possibly even preventable.
The Luke
Yes. And no pain killers required. A live brain dissection and some electrical wires touching parts of the brain. Be a nice experiance for him. 8)
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Read a book written by whom? The scientific consensus does not agree that what is at work here is "completely left to social factors", but clearly you know better than the majority of scientists right? ::)
And 1% or even 0.1% of genetic variation is EXTREMELY significant in biological terms.
Who said 1% or 0.1%? Those figures are from your mouth, not mine. The idea behind my statement was actually that such genetic difference as expressed by 'race' would be far less than those percentages you popped out of nowhere. I clearly know better than 'the majority of scientists' just like you can read for comprehension.
And what is this 'scientific consensus' and 'majority of scientists' that you speak of? I can tell you this much; there's no credible 'science' that supports any biological or genetic disparity between different races IQs. You, my friend, are making things up.
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America , land of the free
There are currently 2,350,000 Americans in jails & prisons. More than ANY country in the entire world. Land of the free... ;D ;D
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The [unambiguous] question was:
To be clear, the above rhetorical question stated Diamond's position; I'm simply seeking clarification from you that the above Diamond position is one you fully agree with? After all, you have already stated you defer to Diamond, or has that now changed?
Do you agree with Diamond's notion re: environment, not genetics?
See that's the problem. You want black and white; a definitive answer. Only a moron would offer up such a thing. Intelligence is an amazing amalgam of things. Did you know ( I'm sure you do, being the smart nipper you are) that Einstein' s brain was/is measured at just mere average size and weight. Intelligence obviously has more to do with just empirical measurements; it dependent on many things like consciousness, things that may never be fully understood - yet here you are trying to offer 'definitive' explanations! And, c'mon, let's face it it, you're neither a scientist, nor a geneticist, nor objective...you're only goal here on Getbig is to be divisive by inserting your inflammatory racist polemic. You're not looking for 'clarification' or anything of the sort - you tipped your hand long ago with your Jew/media conspiracy thesis. You're nothing but a bigot who is still trying to assume the mantle of the 'intellectual' but who is neither objective, nor scientific, nor anyone I would care to associate with. Sad.
/yeah, yeah. I know. read gould's 'mis-measure of man' before you take your toys home. that'll refute both your statistical and your biological determinism arguments.
//and the fact that you hold woten in such high regard is embarrassing. think for yourself!
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Who said 1% or 0.1%? Those figures are from your mouth, not mine. The idea behind my statement was actually that such genetic difference as expressed by 'race' would be far less than those percentages you popped out of nowhere. I clearly know better than 'the majority of scientists' just like you can read for comprehension.
And what is this 'scientific consensus' and 'majority of scientists' that you speak of? I can tell you this much; there's no credible 'science' that supports any biological or genetic disparity between different races IQs. You, my friend, are making things up.
You have to understand that Matt is incapable of talking or thinking off-the-cuff. If he is not referring to script...he is lost. He is like Hal from 2001 that cannot see beyond the contradictions in his directives and thus he f*cks up the mission. As my old supervisor observed of an applicant, 'he'll be nothing better than a county level cricket player.' Apt, I think. :-\
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Yes. And no pain killers required. A live brain dissection and some electrical wires touching parts of the brain. Be a nice experiance for him. 8)
The brain is insensitive to pain, which is the reason why surgeries to treat Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's are done wihout anesthesia. So putting electrical wires in his brain won't do a thing to him.
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NEW YORK - A Columbia University graduate student who was raped and tortured during 19 hours of nightmarish sadism pointed out Monday the man on trial for the attack as the one who drove her to ask for death and try to kill herself.
Her gaze steady and her jaw tightly set, the 24-year-old woman pointed directly at Robert Williams in court Monday when asked whether she saw her attacker in the courtroom.
The woman identified him as she resumed testimony she had begun Friday to describe an almost unimaginable ordeal of searing pain, degradation and fear at the hands of her attacker.
Williams, a 31-year-old ex-convict who had refused to come to court Friday but was forced to appear Monday, stared straight ahead.
His lawyer, Arnold Levine, agreed that the identification hurt the defendant, although Williams has offered no discernible defense.
"It's always damning when a witness identifies your client," he said.
Levine had no questions for the witness after her direct testimony.
'I was sure I was going to die'
The witness described at least seven instances of rape, sodomy and forced oral sex over the 19 hours her assailant was in her apartment in upper Manhattan.
At one point, the woman testified she was able to grab a pair of scissors the man had made her use to cut her shoulder-length hair to an inch long in some spots.
"I tried to stab him in the neck," she testified, adding that she cut two of her fingers on the scissors' blades. "He grabbed my hand and threw me into the corner."
The witness said she tried to stab Williams because "when he started raping me again, I was sure I was going to die."
"I asked him, 'How does this end?' and he said, 'You know how this ends,'" she testified. "I took that to mean he was going to kill me."
During the ordeal, the attacker also forced her to ingest massive doses of painkillers that caused liver failure, and ordered her to gouge out her own eyes with a butcher's knife.
When she refused, she said he twice threw bleach in her face in an attempt to blind her.
"I was burning all over," the woman said. "He threw the rest of the bleach into my face, but I was able to close my eyes in time. I was breathing it in. My lungs were burning.
"I was trying to pretend that I couldn't see so he wouldn't pour more bleach in my face. I was nearly hysterical. I was shaking and crying."
She said that when Williams started to gather up her things, as if preparing to leave, that was the first time she thought, "I might get out alive," and she started to memorize his features and scars.
Ordered to stab out her own eyes
Williams later twice poured boiling water over her and sliced her eyelids with the knife, the woman said. Prosecutors showed photographs of her scarred eyelids to the jury.
It was after the second scalding that she asked her attacker to kill her.
"I was screaming and crying and in so much pain and agony," she testified. "I said, 'Just kill me. You know you're going to kill me anyway. Just kill me.'"
But the torturer refused, telling her, "No, you're not good enough for that," the witness said.
The assailant again ordered the woman to stab out her own eyes. This time she nodded her head to indicate she would do it.
"I was in so much pain I decided to aim for my neck, and if I died it would be so much quicker than how he was going to do it," the woman testified. She said she fell toward the knife he had propped up in a pile of clothes, but she missed.
She said this enraged the attacker, and "he hit me with something really heavy." She said she believed it was her TV set or record turntable.
The woman said that after slashing her eyelids her attacker began "beating my face, my eye sockets, with the blunt end of the knife," and she screamed until she blacked out.
Tied to futon with apartment set afire
When she woke, she was alone in her fifth-floor apartment and tied to the frame of her futon sofa bed. Her attacker had started a fire, and soon she smelled smoke. She moved the futon and saw flames behind it.
The woman said she tried but failed to undo her bonds, so she tried to burn them off. The fire "was spreading really fast," but she was able to break free of the futon frame and run out the front door.
Downstairs she found a middle-aged couple who took her to their apartment building superintendent. He helped her get free of the cords and cables she was tied with, and the other man called 911.
The woman said she was hospitalized 2 1/2 weeks in three institutions, including a special burn facility. After months of physical therapy and outpatient burn treatment, her movement and mobility have returned to normal, she said.
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Umm, Thomas Mann, like a lot of German writers found refuge in the USA during WWII precisely because they found the Nazi regime so hideous. Mann was particularly noted for his Sunday brunches in Hollywood. Sorry. Try again. :-\
Nope, try again. He only questioned it later. He did not move to the Us to find refuge, he moved here for that reason to have lavish parties off of his wifes money.
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Who said 1% or 0.1%? Those figures are from your mouth, not mine. The idea behind my statement was actually that such genetic difference as expressed by 'race' would be far less than those percentages you popped out of nowhere. I clearly know better than 'the majority of scientists' just like you can read for comprehension.
And what is this 'scientific consensus' and 'majority of scientists' that you speak of? I can tell you this much; there's no credible 'science' that supports any biological or genetic disparity between different races IQs. You, my friend, are making things up.
You fucking moron.
Lewontin's fallacy; heard of it?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12879450
Which scientists subscribe to it? Dawkins, Risch et al; heard of them?
"genetic differentiation is greatest when defined on a continental basis" - Neil Risch
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=139378
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See that's the problem. You want black and white; a definitive answer. Only a moron would offer up such a thing. Intelligence is an amazing amalgam of things. Did you know ( I'm sure you do, being the smart nipper you are) that Einstein' s brain was/is measured at just mere average size and weight. Intelligence obviously has more to do with just empirical measurements; it dependent on many things like consciousness, things that may never be fully understood - yet here you are trying to offer 'definitive' explanations! And, c'mon, let's face it it, you're neither a scientist, nor a geneticist, nor objective...you're only goal here on Getbig is to be divisive by inserting your inflammatory racist polemic. You're not looking for 'clarification' or anything of the sort - you tipped your hand long ago with your Jew/media conspiracy thesis. You're nothing but a bigot who is still trying to assume the mantle of the 'intellectual' but who is neither objective, nor scientific, nor anyone I would care to associate with. Sad.
/yeah, yeah. I know. read gould's 'mis-measure of man' before you take your toys home. that'll refute both your statistical and your biological determinism arguments.
//and the fact that you hold woten in such high regard is embarrassing. think for yourself!
No, you stated you would defer to Diamond.
Diamond's position is unambiguous, he is clear in this regard.
What has happened as far as you are concerned, is that you have attempted to spin out vague bullshit on a subject you have no knowledge of hence your need to employ vague references to Diamond in an effort to obfuscate an inability on your part to cough up anything substantial.
You have been called out and revealed for the know nothing you so clearly are.
Thanks for playing.
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The best thing to do is to institutionalize a testing program where parents suspectible to getting kids with 77IQ's would be legally sterilized or prohibited from having children. It is not fair to anyone (even the 77IQ person) to allow people like that to be born in mass quantities, because people like this simply ain't fit to make their own way in society, and they are a danger to everybody. Call it racist, call it whatever you want, but the results speak for themselves. The society that thrives in the future is the society that institutionalize efforts that ensures that people like that is never born. It is not fair to anyone. Eventually, when genetic engineering becomes sufficiently advanced, parents with "77IQ" genes can have kids when the egg can be manipulated to ensure a kid with genes that ensure that the kid is fit to make its own way in society.
Debussey thinks a high testosterone/77 IQ person should be spent as little resources on as possible, and an execution can be performed.
Let us face it: As long as 77IQ people are in society, crime will be a huge problem, no matter how much money and shit you throw at them.
Sterilize them and then put them into indentured servitude.
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You fucking moron.
Lewontin's fallacy; heard of it?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12879450
Which scientists subscribe to it? Dawkins, Risch et al; heard of them?
"genetic differentiation is greatest when defined on a continental basis" - Neil Risch
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=139378
Meltdown.
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No, you stated you would defer to Diamond.
Diamond's position is unambiguous, he is clear in this regard.
What has happened as far as you are concerned, is that you have attempted to spin out vague bullshit on a subject you have no knowledge of hence your need to employ vague references to Diamond in an effort to obfuscate an inability on your part to cough up anything substantial.
You have been called out and revealed for the know nothing you so clearly are.
Thanks for playing.
::)
/even your 'dis' is unoriginal
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Then you'd be no better as this is pretty much what he did to that poor girl.
What ever happened to "an eye for an eye".
Would you feel differently if the girl was your wife/girlfriend, sister or daughter?
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MattCock = winning this discussions over retards like "Jon Sande" once again.
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MattCock = winning this discussions over retards like "Jon Sande" once again.
Yes I am and thank you for pointing it out. I'm not going to go easy on the raft of morons on this board ever again. I'm going to embarrass them every chance I get. It's fun making them look like idiots who have no clue what they're talking about.
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Yes I am and thank you for pointing it out. I'm not going to go easy on the raft of morons on this board ever again. I'm going to embarrass them every chance I get. It's fun making them look like idiots who have no clue what they're talking about.
Remember what Debussey wrote in that PM baby: The # of people with very high IQ's (or lower IQ people that has made an extraordinary effort to become enlightened/generally knowledgeable) = very few, perhaps 2 - 5% in a WESTERN society.
You have to learn to deal with morons wherever you go.
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regardless of how you feel about race everyone should agree he deserves the death sentence for what he did,.
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Yes. And no pain killers required. A live brain dissection and some electrical wires touching parts of the brain. Be a nice experiance for him. 8)
id love to stick my cock into his exposed brain.
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A person that has to make someone look bad in intellect to prove their noteworthy intellect proves they have a mind of a child, or lack of maturity....Lack of maturity shows lack of intellect and wisdom....
What does this mean in the long run? absolutely nothing...Does not take much intellect and wisdom to be successful in this world, and being successful in this society is all that matters....
However, you can have good intellect and wisdom and be unsuccesful and living in absolute poverty....
In short though, its easy to look like a fool either way....Which if you dont really mind or care, that does not matter either...That is where confidence, and self esteem comes into play i guess....
Anyways, all the statistics and logic put forth in these arguements on who has the lowest IQs "proven" by genetics does not make any sense to me...In other words, saying black people have lower intelligence as any other race to me personally, is superbly rediculous....My OWN common sense does not compute this as possible....Infact, this belief that black people are inferior physically and mentally has gone on for a couple of centuries that im aware of, most notably in our own american history....Knowing that, i believe personally that the science behind proving that black people are inferior is superbly racist, and biased....
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Remember what Debussey wrote in that PM baby: The # of people with very high IQ's (or lower IQ people that has made an extraordinary effort to become enlightened/generally knowledgeable) = very few, perhaps 2 - 5% in a WESTERN society.
You have to learn to deal with morons wherever you go.
Yes. Morons:
I was in staples recently making a small purchase. I was due about 4 dollars and change back from my $20 bill.
The post high school cashier became so befuddled at counting the change...even having difficulty opening the register (I mean, you hadda be there)...and, being pressed for time as I always am...I told the next person in line that she looked like a nice lady and she could have my change, as I could not tolerate waiting and experiencing the kid's ineptitude any longer.
Morons everywhere.
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A person that has to make someone look bad in intellect to prove their noteworthy intellect proves they have a mind of a child, or lack of maturity....Lack of maturity shows lack of intellect and wisdom....
What does this mean in the long run? absolutely nothing...Does not take much intellect and wisdom to be successful in this world, and being successful in this society is all that matters....
However, you can have good intellect and wisdom and be unsuccesful and living in absolute poverty....
In short though, its easy to look like a fool either way....Which if you dont really mind or care, that does not matter either...That is where confidence, and self esteem comes into play i guess....
Anyways, all the statistics and logic put forth in these arguements on who has the lowest IQs "proven" by genetics does not make any sense to me...In other words, saying black people have lower intelligence as any other race to me personally, is superbly rediculous....My OWN common sense does not compute this as possible....Infact, this belief that black people are inferior physically and mentally has gone on for a couple of centuries that im aware of, most notably in our own american history....Knowing that, i believe personally that the science behind proving that black people are inferior is superbly racist, and biased....
This was a terrible post, filled with more irrationality than dinner in kindergarden. You have not understood a single thing in this thread.
Your personal beliefs and your definition of "wisdom" = worthless.
Go play in traffic.
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You fucking moron.
Lewontin's fallacy; heard of it?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12879450
Which scientists subscribe to it? Dawkins, Risch et al; heard of them?
"genetic differentiation is greatest when defined on a continental basis" - Neil Risch
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=139378
Lewontin's fallacy has nothing to do with associating IQ with genetics and race. It's simply an argument that refutes being unable to classify different races by taxonomy. To understate, it's quite a huge leap to go from that to an attempt to claim that there exists a genetic cause in differences between IQ and race. So the fact that you point out two scientists that acknowledge it's correctness (it is in fact correct) says nothing about the truth of race and intelligence as defined by genetics.
The second link, which you probably didn't even read completely before you posted it, speaks about human classification along biomedical lines; specifically, disease. What, I ask, does that have to do with intelligence? Nothing.
Thirdly, I don't know anything about Risch, but Dawkins has NEVER said anything to support the relationship between genetics, race, and IQ. As a matter of fact, it many of his books, he goes out of his way to point out to his readers how we a species overplay differences between race, and how we'd be better off looking at things from a genetic point of view. Here's a couple quotes, both from the Ancestor's tale:
"...and voice my strong support for Lewontin's statement that racial classification can be actively destructive of social and human relations - especially when people use racial classification as a way of treating people differently..."
"Whatever we may think as observers of superficial appearances, the human species today is, to a geneticist, especially uniform".
How about this: You find me some legitimate science that supports IQ being tied genetically to race, because so far, you're just blowing a lot of hot gas and not supporting any argument of your own, but trying (and failing, so far) to strike down mine.
And I don't want to see any bullshit about skull measurements, either. ::)
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it's in the dark nature of these African types. they don't have the intelligence to assimilate into Western cultures. other ethic groups do. it's not exactly a surprise that Africans have the lowest IQs in the world.
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does he smoke Kool's or Newports?
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Then you'd be no better as this is pretty much what he did to that poor girl.
So be it. Let's cut him up. I'll make us all lunch afterwards
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The brain is insensitive to pain, which is the reason why surgeries to treat Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's are done wihout anesthesia. So putting electrical wires in his brain won't do a thing to him.
Well that wont be fun at all then. >:(
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So be it. Let's cut him up. I'll make us all lunch afterwards
you wouldnt do shit to him in the real world. i love all these ice cold internet 'killers' ;D
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So be it. Let's cut him up. I'll make us all lunch afterwards
id love to do the cutting and stabbing.
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id love to do the cutting and stabbing.
HAHA another internet toughguy/ stone cold killer ;D ;D ;D
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it's in the dark nature of these African types. they don't have the intelligence to assimilate into Western cultures. other ethic groups do. it's not exactly a surprise that Africans have the lowest IQs in the world.
ROFL ;D
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ROFL ;D
seriously, you can't reason with a black man as reason is not something he comes equipped with.
they simply shouldn't be here. never mind cutting this guy up, take them back to the jungle
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seriously, you can't reason with a black man as reason is not something he comes equipped with.
they simply shouldn't be here. never mind cutting this guy up, take them back to the jungle
R O F L ;D
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stick my cock into his eye socket. eye fuck him. motor saw in his butthole.
stick a tube down his throat and use it to pump sulfuric acid into him so he liquifies from within.
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stick my cock into his eye socket. eye fuck him. motor saw in his butthole.
stick a tube down his throat and use it to pump sulfuric acid into him so he liquifies from within.
hunting him would be fun
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stick my cock into his eye socket. eye fuck him. motor saw in his butthole.
stick a tube down his throat and use it to pump sulfuric acid into him so he liquifies from within.
Even better: Scan everybody in the whole world and sterilize everybody with genetics for IQ below 100.
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Even better: Scan everybody in the whole world and sterilize everybody with genetics for IQ below 100.
dont spifflicate yourself.
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dont spifflicate yourself.
What does "spifflicate" mean?
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What does "spifflicate" mean?
tackle the problem as candizzleslell would.
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Even better: Scan everybody in the whole world and sterilize everybody with genetics for IQ below 100.
Mass scanning of IQ = not a viable option for 6 billion+ people
Utilising peer-reviewed race/intelligence and sociological data to segment and sterilise accordingly would prove to be successful.
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Mass scanning of IQ = not a viable option for 6 billion+ people
Utilising peer-reviewed race/intelligence and sociological data to segment and sterilise accordingly would prove to be successful.
In Debusseyworld! robots will do all the testing. All negros are automatically placed below 100.
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William Gareth Jacob shall guide you into the shoes of limp shaktrahowitz
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Gayer than Debussey making jokes on behalf of our friends down @ 85.
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Debussey in this world of intelligent people would bodybuilding as we know it still exist?
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Debussey in this world of intelligent people would bodybuilding as we know it still exist?
TO a certain extent. It would be seen as a way to maximize emotional well being by admitting that our appearance = still a factor linked to happiness for a normal humanoid, and that the maximization of happiness = the most intelligent goal one can pursue.
It would only be included if it could be mathematically proven that the time spent on BB would be the optimal happiness generating activity for that that time. This would require gathering data about the emotional effect of BB on each individual.
THe BB drugs used would be much better of course, and everybodys health would be monitored daily.
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This was a terrible post, filled with more irrationality than dinner in kindergarden. You have not understood a single thing in this thread.
Your personal beliefs and your definition of "wisdom" = worthless.
Go play in traffic.
Instead of exposing my post with a mature arguement, you resort to classroom antics...The irony of your insults is you prove my point that you have to try and insult someones intelligence to make yourself FEEL superior... Typical of someone that is racist....
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Instead of exposing my post with a mature arguement, you resort to classroom antics...The irony of your insults is you prove my point that you have to try and insult someones intelligence to make yourself FEEL superior... Typical of someone that is racist....
Do you want a rational answer to your post that picks you apart bit by bit? :)
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A person that has to make someone look bad in intellect to prove their noteworthy intellect proves they have a mind of a child, or lack of maturity....Lack of maturity shows lack of intellect and wisdom....
What does this mean in the long run? absolutely nothing...Does not take much intellect and wisdom to be successful in this world, and being successful in this society is all that matters....
However, you can have good intellect and wisdom and be unsuccesful and living in absolute poverty....
In short though, its easy to look like a fool either way....Which if you dont really mind or care, that does not matter either...That is where confidence, and self esteem comes into play i guess....
Anyways, all the statistics and logic put forth in these arguements on who has the lowest IQs "proven" by genetics does not make any sense to me...In other words, saying black people have lower intelligence as any other race to me personally, is superbly rediculous....My OWN common sense does not compute this as possible....Infact, this belief that black people are inferior physically and mentally has gone on for a couple of centuries that im aware of, most notably in our own american history....Knowing that, i believe personally that the science behind proving that black people are inferior is superbly racist, and biased....
Need i say more?
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Need i say more?
Do you want a rational answer to your post that picks you apart bit by bit? :)
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better alternative would'nt you say? Instead of showing your imaturity?
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How about this: You find me some legitimate science that supports IQ being tied genetically to race, because so far, you're just blowing a lot of hot gas and not supporting any argument of your own, but trying (and failing, so far) to strike down mine.
And I don't want to see any bullshit about skull measurements, either. ::)
LOL, when you are ready to refute all of the work of Rushton, Lynn et al, not to mention the recent work of Pinker and Harpending, then we will dance; speaking of Pinker, lets move on...
Lewontin's fallacy has nothing to do with associating IQ with genetics and race. It's simply an argument that refutes being unable to classify different races by taxonomy. To understate, it's quite a huge leap to go from that to an attempt to claim that there exists a genetic cause in differences between IQ and race.
No, moron, the point was that it is indeed possible to group humans into taxonomic groups according to race, that is all.
Nobody has said a gene sequence for intelligence has been found. My consistent line - as is the line of Pinker, Harpending, Risch et al - is that it's highly likely that said genes will be found within ten years; why do we think this? Simply because all of the historical data along with the current psychometric data reveals differences in intelligence between the races, thus, we can conclude it will be only a matter of time before genetics provides the "third pillar" and provides the biological explanations to said differences.
Pinker, Risch et al are already postulating various reasons for intelligence differences between the races; ironically - and to lampoon your fucking ignorance even further - Pinker, Cochran et al have based their postulations on possible links between evolved intelligence [of certain races] and the affect disease may have within.
The paper was published in The Journal of Biosocial Science, published by Cambridge University Press in England.
Of course, we wont wait for you to a) find the post where I have said such genes have yet been found, b) concede this high level science meets your standards, or c) apologize after you graphically fail to fulfill points "a" and "b"
The second link, which you probably didn't even read completely before you posted it, speaks about human classification along biomedical lines; specifically, disease. What, I ask, does that have to do with intelligence? Nothing.
As I have just outlined - you silly twat - the point was to first state that human races do in fact exist; that in many fields of science academics do in fact group humans according to race; that these racial groups are not mere social constructs; that different races are susceptible to [for example] different diseases; that - and here is the unifying part that reveals you for the dumb fuck you are - science, as stated, is now exploring the impact of natural selection upon various diseases that may effect the evolved intelligence of certain racial groups i.e: intelligence differences at the racial level and what causes them.
Thirdly, I don't know anything about Risch
Finally, you have stated something that is correct; although you should have suffixed it with "because I'm a fucking moron".
but Dawkins has NEVER said anything to support the relationship between genetics, race, and IQ. As a matter of fact, it many of his books, he goes out of his way to point out to his readers how we a species overplay differences between race, and how we'd be better off looking at things from a genetic point of view. Here's a couple quotes, both from the Ancestor's tale:
"...and voice my strong support for Lewontin's statement that racial classification can be actively destructive of social and human relations - especially when people use racial classification as a way of treating people differently..."
"Whatever we may think as observers of superficial appearances, the human species today is, to a geneticist, especially uniform".
Are you dumb? I simply said, Dawkins subscribes to Lewontin's fallacy, that it is indeed possible to arrange humans into races; that when viewing all the data (whether that data concerns susceptibility to disease, psychometric/intelligence testing, propensity to commit crime) one can clearly see differences between racial groups.
Dawkins - being the genteel gentleman that he is - still doesn't want to understand the human implications of kin selection and thus the implications for racial grouping; that humans naturally tend to discriminate in favor of relatives; that humans engage primarily in endogamy rather than exogamy; that a racial group is simply a partly inbred extended family - see what we've done there, idiot?
If, as Dawkins supposes, the human species is especially uniform based around mere superficial differences, then it would not be possible to [for example] take a blood sample from a subject (a subject that is unknown to the geneticist) and then ask said geneticist to identify the racial group to which the said subject self identifies?
Now, king of clowns, this is where you get body-slammed by your profound ignorance of Neil Risch and reveal your lack of authority to discuss the matter.
Let's Welcome in Neil Risch, a geneticist from Stanford University. He led a group who concluded that racial groups can differ from one another genetically and that the differences can have medical importance.
Risch was driven to perform his work after reading an article in the New England Journal of Medicine asserting that race was biologically meaningless.
Risch carried out the EXACT test that I outlined above.
Neil Risch, widely regarded as one of the world's leading geneticists, has been a key figure in the still emotion-charged debate. Mr. Risch has argued that small genetic differences have evolved between races because of the geographic isolation of generations of sub-Saharan Africans, Caucasians, Asians, Pacific Islanders and Native Americans.
Mr. Risch has shown that researchers, by analyzing DNA, can correctly match an individual's self-described race in 99.9 per cent of cases. There was a greater chance, he said, that researchers would incorrectly guess an individual's self-described gender.
"There is great validity in racial/ethnic self-categorizations, both from research and public policy points of view," Mr. Risch, now director of the Center for Human Genetics at the University of California, concluded in a 2002 paper in Nature Genetics."
Risch's study was the largest study to find genetic differences between races, got that? You fool.
Don't blame anyone other than yourself for being ignorant of the data in these fields and the sterling work of elite academics of the calibre of Pinker, Risch and Lynn.
Now, you scurrilous little shit, fuck off and re-read the links and ALL the data that has been published many times before.
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LOL, when you are ready to refute all of the work of Rushton, Lynn et al, not to mention the recent work of Pinker and Harpending, then we will dance; speaking of Pinker, lets move on...
I'm not refuting their work; I'm refuting your charge that you can genetically justify lower IQ in non-handicapped humans by race. Those two aren't related.
No, moron, the point was that it is indeed possible to group humans into taxonomic groups according to race, that is all.
Agreed. What does this have to do with the relationship between race, genes, and IQ? You still haven't answered that question, 4 or 5 posts later.
Nobody has said a gene sequence for intelligence has been found.
There we are!!! Now we're getting somewhere. Then what are you arguing about, then?
My consistent line - as is the line of Pinker, Harpending, Risch et al - is that it's highly likely that said genes will be found within ten years;
Drop me a ring in ten years when this happens, and then you might have a real argument.
Pinker, Risch et al are already postulating various reasons for intelligence differences between the races; ironically - and to lampoon your fucking ignorance even further - Pinker, Cochran et al have based their postulations on possible links between evolved intelligence [of certain races] and the affect disease may have within.
The paper was published in The Journal of Biosocial Science, published by Cambridge University Press in England.
Care to explain these 'postulations'? You've already demonstrated your tremendous ability to read for clarity and comprehension. Coming from you, it wouldn't surprised me if you've completely fucked up the 'take home' points of the paper you mentioned. How about you give me the specific journal issue and date so I can look it up, read it, and spell out for you what it's really saying. Honestly, haven't you learned anything since your last post? You just can't spit things out without seeing if they really fit in with your argument.
Of course, we wont wait for you to a) find the post where I have said such genes have yet been found, b) concede this high level science meets your standards, or c) apologize after you graphically fail to fulfill points "a" and "b"
Why not? I've already given you two quotes directly from the mouth of one of the authors you tried to 'rally behind your cause', and when you failed, discredited him. How hard could it be for you to give me some real, verifiable quotes from any of the names you mention...you know, just to get me started, perhaps? ::)
As I have just outlined - you silly twat - the point was to first state that human races do in fact exist; that in many fields of science academics do in fact group humans according to race; that these racial groups are not mere social constructs; that different races are susceptible to [for example] different diseases;
Of course. But who's arguing against this? Not me. Did you ever hear me say that there "aren't races", or that there isn't varying susceptibility to diseases? Definitely not. Jeez, first you pull percentages from nowhere, then you put words in my mouth I didn't even come close to saying. Epic inability to debate.
and here is the unifying part that reveals you for the dumb fuck you are - science, as stated, is now exploring the impact of natural selection upon various diseases that may effect the evolved intelligence of certain racial groups i.e: intelligence differences at the racial level and what causes them.
That's great, but 'starting to explore' most definitely doesn't mean 'scientifically supported'. Furthermore, I highly doubt the purpose of such study is to justify some claim that blacks (or any other race) have lower IQs because of their genes. Let's stay on topic here.
Finally, you have stated something that is correct; although you should have suffixed it with "because I'm a fucking moron".
Am I touching a nerve, here? ;D
Are you dumb? I simply said, Dawkins subscribes to Lewontin's fallacy, that it is indeed possible to arrange humans into races; that when viewing all the data (whether that data concerns susceptibility to disease, psychometric/intelligence testing, propensity to commit crime) one can clearly see differences between racial groups.
We've dealt with this already - of course we can arrange humans into races. For susceptibility to disease, skin color, hair type, face structure; physiological characteristics. But again, for the millionth time here - intelligence testing and especially propensity to commit crime don't fit into such an arrangement. You can say with ease, 'there are a proportionally higher number of blacks in jail in America' and be unequivocally correct. But that's obviously different, and wrong, from saying that it's genetics.
And Dawkins doesn't 'subscribe' to Lewontin's fallacy. Here's a quote from Lewontin, the source of his fallacy:
"Human racial classification is of no social value and is positively destructive of social and human relations. Since such racial classification is now seen to be of virtunally no genetic or taxonomic significance either, no justification can be offered for its continuance".
And now Dawkins (Ancestor's tale, Rendezvous 26), concerning Lewontin's comment:
We can all happily agree that human racial classification is of no social value and is positively destructive of social and human relations...but that doesn't mean race is of 'virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance'...the information content of a statement is measured as reduction in prior uncertainty...what if I tell you Suzy is Chinese, how much is your prior uncertainty reduced? You're pretty certain that her hair is straight and black...
...and so on. That's the point here. You shouldn't interpret Lewontin's fallacy as support for a genetic relationship between race and IQ. To do so is to take an extraordinary lengthy jump of reasoning. Period.
Dawkins - being the genteel gentleman that he is - still doesn't want to understand the human implications of kin selection and thus the implications for racial grouping; that humans naturally tend to discriminate in favor of relatives; that humans engage primarily in endogamy rather than exogamy; that a racial group is simply a partly inbred extended family - see what we've done there, idiot?
Oh brother, now Matt C knows more than the one of the foremost and respected evolutionary biologists of our time...I guess I am an idiot, then. ::)
If, as Dawkins supposes, the human species is especially uniform based around mere superficial differences, then it would not be possible to [for example] take a blood sample from a subject (a subject that is unknown to the geneticist) and then ask said geneticist to identify the racial group to which the said subject self identifies?
Who denies that? You can bet your life Richard Dawkins doesn't. Nor do I. And what does this have to do with IQ again? You're hopeless. Really. Dr. Chimps is right about you. ;D
Now, king of clowns, this is where you get body-slammed by your profound ignorance of Neil Risch and reveal your lack of authority to discuss the matter.
Let's Welcome in Neil Risch, a geneticist from Stanford University. He led a group who concluded that racial groups can differ from one another genetically and that the differences can have medical importance.
Risch was driven to perform his work after reading an article in the New England Journal of Medicine asserting that race was biologically meaningless.
Risch carried out the EXACT test that I outlined above.
Neil Risch, widely regarded as one of the world's leading geneticists, has been a key figure in the still emotion-charged debate. Mr. Risch has argued that small genetic differences have evolved between races because of the geographic isolation of generations of sub-Saharan Africans, Caucasians, Asians, Pacific Islanders and Native Americans.
Mr. Risch has shown that researchers, by analyzing DNA, can correctly match an individual's self-described race in 99.9 per cent of cases. There was a greater chance, he said, that researchers would incorrectly guess an individual's self-described gender.
"There is great validity in racial/ethnic self-categorizations, both from research and public policy points of view," Mr. Risch, now director of the Center for Human Genetics at the University of California, concluded in a 2002 paper in Nature Genetics."
Risch's study was the largest study to find genetic differences between races, got that? You fool.
*sigh* Again, no one is denying this. How many times do I have to say it? This says nothing about a genetic relationship between race and IQ.
Don't blame anyone other than yourself for being ignorant of the data in these fields and the sterling work of elite academics of the calibre of Pinker, Risch and Lynn.
No Matt, I don't blame you for your repeated failure to stay on topic. I don't blame you for your inability reason. I don't blame you for your misuse of the 'sterling work of elite academics' in favor of your unscientific and primitive implication. I don't blame you for progressively getting whinier and illogical with each post you make in this topic. I don't blame you for assuming to know the positions of authors, when in fact, you don't. And when I show that you don't, I don't blame you for flip-flopping worse than the 2000 elections in a laughably pathetic attempt to discredit that author.
Now, you scurrilous little shit, fuck off and re-read the links and ALL the data that has been published many times before.
Spoken like a true gentleman ;D I suggest you go back and re-read those published papers. And some Dawkins; he'll do you nicely.
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Drop me a ring in ten years when this happens, and then you might have a real argument.
Do you also need me to drop you a ring whenever archaeologists dig up all transitional forms of various species before you will believe in evolution.
Science is a self-correcting paradigm which offers the best possible explanation given the totality of the currently available data.
Science says nothing of what truth is - science merely gives us the best possible guess as to what is going on. Bet your life savings on the accuracy of science and you are making a pretty good bet. That's not to say it can't be wrong though.
Dawkins' position is clear; that there are separate races but the differences are merely skin deep; no matter his denial to the contrary.
Dawkins gets caught up making the assumption that race, while it exists, is all about surface features:
"Inter-observer agreement suggests that racial classification is not totally uninformative, but what does it inform about? About things like eye shape and hair curliness. For some reason it seems to be the superficial, external, trivial characteristics that are correlated with race - perhaps especially facial characteristics."
....unfortunately, Dawkins doesn't offer any persuasive evidence for the cliché that race is just skin deep.
Dawkins also says:
"W.D. Hamilton is a good candidate for the title of most distinguished Darwinian since Darwin."
As stated earlier, Dawkins still doesn't "want to" understand the human implications of what Hamilton was driving at with his theory of kin selection: that humans naturally tend to discriminate in favor of relatives, and a racial group is simply a partly inbred extended family.
He - whether you like it or not - does subscribe to Lewontin's fallacy; he is simply to cowardly to concede that, preferring instead to hide behind his "skin deep" crap. He - while pointing out differences - certainly hasn't presented any evidence to support his "it's merely skin deep" bullshit; quite frankly he wants to have his cake and eat it too. Context is everything; while you may be a one dimensional dullard, don't assume there is any inconsistency with my referencing of Dawkins here.
Just because you lack the necessary intellect to challenge Dawkins - much less think for yourself - don't assume the same is true for others.
Your ignorance of the surrounding issues (including but not limited to: psychometric testing together with historical observation) allow us to fully understand why you cannot grasp what is being said here; why you have not even heard of the CHH paper.
You do realize that - as Pinker pointed out - a blue-ribbon panel appointed by the American Psychological Association defined the consensus view as embracing intelligence as a real and stable property; that IQ is a good measure of it; that it is a good predictor of success in life; and it is from 50 - 80% heritable.
^^^ re-read that if it went over your head the first time.
Now, here is the paper in question:
http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf
Historical observation, psychometric evidence all leading to the construction of the Cochran-Hardy-Harpending Hypothesis. As Cochran et al themselves say: "the hypothesis is consistent with the neo-Darwinian synthesis, the historical record, and the genetic and psychometric data"; it is, in short, a work that will be proven true at the biological level.
No one has yet presented an alternative to the Cochran-Hardy-Harpending theory that can match it for documentation, but go ahead, feel free to provide your alternative - oh hang on, you can't, you didn't even know about the CHH paper in the first place so it will be interesting to see how you use your Google-fu to work around that inconvenient little fact, oops.
Dimwit.
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Do you think he was on creatine?
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What sort of sick fuck is this guy, I hope the prison population run a train on his ass.
(http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/04/20/amd_rape_suspect.jpg)
NEW YORK - An ex-convict went on trial Thursday on charges of raping, torturing and burning a Columbia University graduate student in a 19-hour attack during which her eyelids were slit and she was forced to take so many painkillers that her liver failed.
Robert Williams, 31, sat with chained arms and legs, his head lowered, as the prosecutor delivered an opening statement that left several people in the courtroom weeping.
Williams turned the victim's small one-bedroom apartment into "his torture chamber" and violated the 23-year-old woman "in every way imaginable and in some ways unimaginable," Assistant District Attorney Ann Prunty told the jury.
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Prunty said Williams stopped the torture only after the victim — who at one point during the ordeal tried to kill herself — blacked out from hours of pain caused by knife wounds, boiling water, battering and sexual assaults.
"Then he could no longer feel power over another human being," Prunty said.
Life in prison if convicted
Williams is charged with kidnapping, arson, burglary and sexual assault. He faces life in prison if convicted.
The defendant's lawyer, Arnold Levine, tried but failed to have Williams declared mentally unfit for trial. Levine did not make an opening statement.
The victim, a Columbia University journalism graduate student, found Williams in her building's elevator in the Hamilton Heights neighborhood of Upper Manhattan when she came home around 9:30 p.m. on April 13, 2007, Prunty said. She said he followed her to her fifth-floor apartment and attacked her.
During the brutal ordeal, Prunty told jurors, Williams raped the victim, poured boiling water over her, hurled a pot of bleach in her face, ordered her to gouge out her own eyes with a pair of scissors, sealed her lips shut with glue and duct tape and slit her eyelids with a butcher's knife.
After one assault, he forced the woman to swallow a fistful of pills from her medicine cabinet and wash them down with four beers, Prunty said.
Doctors later said the woman's liver had failed, probably because of the medicine, and that a liver transplant might be necessary. Fortunately, the transplant was not needed, Prunty said.
The woman at one point tried to plunge a pair of scissors into her own neck in a bid to commit suicide.
After about 19 hours, Prunty said, Williams tied the naked, unconscious woman to a futon with computer cables and set it on fire. The woman awoke and smelled smoke, broke free and made her way to the hallway, where she was rescued.
Prunty said Williams' DNA was found on the victim and her clothing, and her DNA was found on his clothing. Security cameras captured him trying to withdraw money with the woman's ATM card, she said.
During the time she was conscious, Prunty said, the victim studied Williams closely. Prunty said every scar and feature she later described to police matched the appearance of the defendant.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24993223/
THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED... THIS IS NOT WHAT THE NEWS REPORTED WHEN THIS STORY FIRST BROKE...
This college slut wanted a night of S&M, RAPE and BRUTALITY and she found someone who was willing to provide her that pleasure. She paid the guy to do this to her and when she came down off of her night of extreme drug use she panicked at what she found out about herself: THAT SHE IS A SLUT...so to cover for herself she claimed RAPE. Now supposedly she was tied up and raped and all of these terrible things done to her, but she willingly let the guy into the building, there was no forced entry, she did not bare the marks of rape and this whole ordeal went on for hours according to her. The guy even supposedly took her ATM card and went and withdrew money from her account...WHOA! That means there was a lengthy period of time that she could have screamed and alerted neighbors to what was happening to her, but alas NO SCREAMS, NO NEIGHBORS, NO COPS....Give me a FUCKING BREAK... SHE IS A SLUT...she hated finding out she is a SLUT and now this IDIOT who engaged her ass in this S&M, BRUTALITY session will now face JAIL TIME for her lies.
All of this reminds me of the Katalyn Farber bitch who claimed Kobe Bryant RAPED her...only to find out the slut had fucked two other men right before Kobe...now how NASTY is that? She didn't even take a shower after the three men fucked her, because the semen and pubic hairs of all three men were found around her vagina...Kobe's dumb ass better be lucky he didn't get AIDS or something. Her goal was to fuck Kobe, then claim RAPE and tehn get PAID through lawsuits and/or BLACKMAIL...
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THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED... THIS IS NOT WHAT THE NEWS REPORTED WHEN THIS STORY FIRST BROKE...
This college slut wanted a night of S&M, RAPE and BRUTALITY and she found someone who was willing to provide her that pleasure. She paid the guy to do this to her and when she came down off of her night of extreme drug use she panicked at what she found out about herself: THAT SHE IS A SLUT...so to cover for herself she claimed RAPE. Now supposedly she was tied up and raped and all of these terrible things done to her, but she willingly let the guy into the building, there was no forced entry, she did not bare the marks of rape and this whole ordeal went on for hours according to her. The guy even supposedly took her ATM card and went and withdrew money from her account...WHOA! That means there was a lengthy period of time that she could have screamed and alerted neighbors to what was happening to her, but alas NO SCREAMS, NO NEIGHBORS, NO COPS....Give me a FUCKING BREAK... SHE IS A SLUT...she hated finding out she is a SLUT and now this IDIOT who engaged her ass in this S&M, BRUTALITY session will now face JAIL TIME for her lies.
All of this reminds me of the Katalyn Farber bitch who claimed Kobe Bryant RAPED her...only to find out the slut had fucked two other men right before Kobe...now how NASTY is that? She didn't even take a shower after the three men fucked her, because the semen and pubic hairs of all three men were found around her vagina...Kobe's dumb ass better be lucky he didn't get AIDS or something. Her goal was to fuck Kobe, then claim RAPE and tehn get PAID through lawsuits and/or BLACKMAIL...
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Earth to Samson...Earth to Samson...Come in Samson.
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THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED... THIS IS NOT WHAT THE NEWS REPORTED WHEN THIS STORY FIRST BROKE...
This college slut wanted a night of S&M, RAPE and BRUTALITY and she found someone who was willing to provide her that pleasure. She paid the guy to do this to her and when she came down off of her night of extreme drug use she panicked at what she found out about herself: THAT SHE IS A SLUT...so to cover for herself she claimed RAPE. Now supposedly she was tied up and raped and all of these terrible things done to her, but she willingly let the guy into the building, there was no forced entry, she did not bare the marks of rape and this whole ordeal went on for hours according to her. The guy even supposedly took her ATM card and went and withdrew money from her account...WHOA! That means there was a lengthy period of time that she could have screamed and alerted neighbors to what was happening to her, but alas NO SCREAMS, NO NEIGHBORS, NO COPS....Give me a FUCKING BREAK... SHE IS A SLUT...she hated finding out she is a SLUT and now this IDIOT who engaged her ass in this S&M, BRUTALITY session will now face JAIL TIME for her lies.
All of this reminds me of the Katalyn Farber bitch who claimed Kobe Bryant RAPED her...only to find out the slut had fucked two other men right before Kobe...now how NASTY is that? She didn't even take a shower after the three men fucked her, because the semen and pubic hairs of all three men were found around her vagina...Kobe's dumb ass better be lucky he didn't get AIDS or something. Her goal was to fuck Kobe, then claim RAPE and tehn get PAID through lawsuits and/or BLACKMAIL...
Earth to Samson...Earth to Samson...Come in Samson.
No, the earth doesn't need Samson. Leave him out there with this Robert Williams dirtbag. >:(
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No, the earth doesn't need Samson. Leave him out there with this Robert Williams dirtbag. >:(
WHY ARE YOU HATING ON ME LAURA????
I have not spoken any untruths....The story printed above is NOT what was originally said of this case. This story is like a COLORIZED black and white movie....FAKE.
Columbia students like New York University students have been involved and caught up in all manner of DEVIANT BEHAVIOR in the past and as soon as there are REPERCUSSION to their behavior, suddenly the student(s) are portrayed as INNOCENT and their behavior or activity is roundly dismissed. Just like the recent case of the college students in California who were selling DRUGS and were busted by the police. Suddenly all of the students were being described a GOOD, HARD WORKING, STUDIOUS, FROM GOOD FAMILIES etc etc...YEAH RIGHT...they are ALL STILL DRUG DEALERS AND USERS...LOWLIFES!!!
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WHY ARE YOU HATING ON ME LAURA????
I have not spoken any untruths....The story printed above is NOT what was originally said of this case. This story is like a COLORIZED black and white movie....FAKE.
Columbia students like New York University students have been involved and caught up in all manner of DEVIANT BEHAVIOR in the past and as soon as there are REPERCUSSION to their behavior, suddenly the student(s) are portrayed as INNOCENT and their behavior or activity is roundly dismissed. Just like the recent case of the college students in California who were selling DRUGS and were busted by the police. Suddenly all of the students were being described a GOOD, HARD WORKING, STUDIOUS, FROM GOOD FAMILIES etc etc...YEAH RIGHT...they are ALL STILL DRUG DEALERS AND USERS...LOWLIFES!!!
Where is your version in print?
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THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED... THIS IS NOT WHAT THE NEWS REPORTED WHEN THIS STORY FIRST BROKE...
This college slut wanted a night of S&M, RAPE and BRUTALITY and she found someone who was willing to provide her that pleasure. She paid the guy to do this to her and when she came down off of her night of extreme drug use she panicked at what she found out about herself: THAT SHE IS A SLUT...so to cover for herself she claimed RAPE. Now supposedly she was tied up and raped and all of these terrible things done to her, but she willingly let the guy into the building, there was no forced entry, she did not bare the marks of rape and this whole ordeal went on for hours according to her. The guy even supposedly took her ATM card and went and withdrew money from her account...WHOA! That means there was a lengthy period of time that she could have screamed and alerted neighbors to what was happening to her, but alas NO SCREAMS, NO NEIGHBORS, NO COPS....Give me a FUCKING BREAK... SHE IS A SLUT...she hated finding out she is a SLUT and now this IDIOT who engaged her ass in this S&M, BRUTALITY session will now face JAIL TIME for her lies.
just for the sake of arguing lets say everything you wrote is true. do you believe that since she is into s&m ect and she invited him to her apartment that she deserved what happened to her. come on you aren't that stupid.
All of this reminds me of the Katalyn Farber bitch who claimed Kobe Bryant RAPED her...only to find out the slut had fucked two other men right before Kobe...now how NASTY is that? She didn't even take a shower after the three men fucked her, because the semen and pubic hairs of all three men were found around her vagina...Kobe's dumb ass better be lucky he didn't get AIDS or something. Her goal was to fuck Kobe, then claim RAPE and tehn get PAID through lawsuits and/or BLACKMAIL...
Earth to Samson...Earth to Samson...Come in Samson.
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Do you also need me to drop you a ring whenever archaeologists dig up all transitional forms of various species before you will believe in evolution.
When did I say that I didn't believe in evolution? This is the third instance of you pulling left-field assumptions. And for the record, you don't 'believe' in something scientific. There are either facts to support its actuality, or there isn't. Evolution is real because evidence for it is overwhelmingly clear. Therefore you're technically right; I don't 'believe' in it but acknowledge it for the truth that it is.
Science is a self-correcting paradigm which offers the best possible explanation given the totality of the currently available data.
Science says nothing of what truth is - science merely gives us the best possible guess as to what is going on. Bet your life savings on the accuracy of science and you are making a pretty good bet. That's not to say it can't be wrong though.
Another left-field comment. This doesn't relate to our discussion. You almost certainly don't even understand what you just wrote.
Do you also need me to drop you a ring whenever archaeologists dig up all transitional forms of various species before you will believe in evolution.
When did I say that I didn't believe in evolution? This is the third instance of you pulling left-field assumptions. And for the record, you don't 'believe' in something scientific. There are either facts to support its actuality, or there isn't. Evolution is real because evidence for it is overwhelmingly clear. Therefore you're technically right; I don't 'believe' in it but acknowledge it for the truth that it is.
Dawkins' position is clear.
Dawkins gets caught up making the assumption that race, while it exists, is all about surface features:
"Inter-observer agreement suggests that racial classification is not totally uninformative, but what does it inform about? About things like eye shape and hair curliness. For some reason it seems to be the superficial, external, trivial characteristics that are correlated with race - perhaps especially facial characteristics."
....unfortunately, Dawkins doesn't offer any persuasive evidence for the cliché that race is just skin deep.
He offers evidence for it in the form of multiple books. And to repeat; it's laughable that you presume to know more than he does about anything, let alone biology. When your argument depends on assaulting the position of a scientist who has revolutionized the fields of zoology and evolutionary biology, you can't make it more clear that you're scrambling to get out of the quicksand. Stick to the gym, champ.
Dawkins also says:
"W.D. Hamilton is a good candidate for the title of most distinguished Darwinian since Darwin."
And?
As stated earlier, Dawkins still doesn't "want to" understand the human implications of what Hamilton was driving at with his theory of kin selection: that humans naturally tend to discriminate in favor of relatives, and a racial group is simply a partly inbred extended family.
He - whether you like it or not - does subscribe to Lewontin's fallacy; he is simply to cowardly to concede that. He - while pointing out differences - certainly hasn't presented any evidence to support his "it's merely skin deep" bullshit; quite frankly he wants to have his cake and eat it too. Context is everything; while you may be a one dimensional dullard, don't assume there is any inconsistency with my referencing of Dawkins here.
You don't know what he 'wants'. You can't accuse him of being a 'coward'. When you said earlier that he subscribes to Lewontin's fallacy, I have you a direct quote straight from him that proves that he doesn't, and all you can manage to belch out is that he's a coward because he actually does subscribe to it. What sense does that make? Where's your proof that he's "simply too cowardly to concede that"? You're really hopeless. I've lost all confidence in your ability to reason.
Just because you lack the necessary intellect to challenge Dawkins - much less think for yourself - don't assume the same is true for others.
I don't assume the same is true for others. Just you. You're in no position to challenge him. With your spurious sense of logic, weak ability to process even the most simplest of statements, and repeated left-field statements, you can't even challenge me, let alone someone as respected as Dawkins. You're simply delusional.
Your ignorance of the surrounding issues (including but not limited to: psychometric testing together with historical observation) allow us to fully understand why you cannot grasp what is being said here; why you have not even heard of the CHH paper.
Epic red herring. You're just blowing more hot gas.
You do realize that - as Pinker pointed out - a blue-ribbon panel appointed by the American Psychological Association defined the consensus view as embracing intelligence as a real and stable property; that IQ is a good measure of it; that it is a good predictor of success in life; and it is from 50 - 80% heritable.
Of course intelligence is a real and stable property. But where are the genetic ties with it to race? Oh, that's right, you already admitted in your post before last that there aren't currently any. :o
^^^ re-read that if it went over your head the first time.
Not necessary.
Now, here is the paper in question:
http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf
I'll read this when I'm home from work later tonight.
Historical observation, psychometric evidence all leading to the construction of the Cochran-Hardy-Harpending Hypothesis. As Cochran et al themselves say: "the hypothesis is consistent with the neo-Darwinian synthesis, the historical record, and the genetic and psychometric data"; it is, in short, a work that will be proven true at the biological level.
"Will be proven true" doesn't mean "is true". And for that matter, how do you know if it's going to be proven true or not? You don't. When you say "will be proven true", you actually mean (assuming that this 'CHH hypothesis' even relates to this discussion, which for now I'll bet that it doesn't) "I hope it will turn out to be true".
No one has yet presented an alternative to the Cochran-Hardy-Harpending theory that can match it for documentation, but go ahead, feel free to provide your alternative - oh hang on, you can't, you didn't even know about the CHH paper in the first place so it will be interesting to see how you use your Google-fu to work around that inconvenient little fact, oops.
Dimwit.
Google-fu? I haven't given you a single electronic link in any of my posts. I have, however, referenced direct quotes from books. Since you've given me three electronic links, including one just beforeyou accuse me of "Google-fu", it seems as though you're the one guilty of this; not me.
Concluding thoughts - You couldn't even respond to the outstanding majority of my last post, where I owned you completely and thoroughly. You make spurious claims, then I refute them, then you switch focus to something else out of left field. You continually lose focus to my argument so many times that I'm left only to believe that you have to be doing it deliberately in an attempt to piss me off (which you're still unable to do). You specialize in the logical fallacy of the red-herring: introducing irrelevant topics in a feeble attempt to argue.
You introduce scientists and their 'hypotheses' with (Google) links, but don't even make an attempt to explain how they relate to the argument at hand - GENETIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RACE AND IQ - NOT EVOLUTION, NOT DISEASE, NOT PHYSIOLOGICAL CHARACTERISTICS, NOT TAXONOMY OR CLASSIFICATION - and still have the audacity to accuse me of "Google-fu".
Your continual insults to me - calling me 'idiot', 'dimwit', 'moron', and etc demonstrates to me that you're very insecure about your intelligence, and on a subconcious level realizing that you've been destroyed here which is making you angrier and angrier with each word you type.
You've done nothing to support the contention that you can genetically justify a lower IQ in certain races. Rather, You've made several posts of weak, unrelated arguments, provided fuzzy and fallacious logic, and hurled childish, pathetically insecure personal attacks.
I'm a busy man, and thus have no more time to waste on you or this thread. You really are completely and utterly incapable of off-the-cuff thinking as Dr. Chimps so accurately stated, as well as extremly stubborn because you haven't yet admitted, nor will you admit, that you can't prove that there's a genetic relationship between race and IQ.
I leave your owning to be viewed for all posterity. Embrace it and learn from the experience, my son.
Our paths will no doubt cross many times to come on this board. I don't now, nor will I, hold anything against you, personally. Enjoy your day, and best regards.
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WHY ARE YOU HATING ON ME LAURA????
I have not spoken any untruths....The story printed above is NOT what was originally said of this case. This story is like a COLORIZED black and white movie....FAKE.
Columbia students like New York University students have been involved and caught up in all manner of DEVIANT BEHAVIOR in the past and as soon as there are REPERCUSSION to their behavior, suddenly the student(s) are portrayed as INNOCENT and their behavior or activity is roundly dismissed. Just like the recent case of the college students in California who were selling DRUGS and were busted by the police. Suddenly all of the students were being described a GOOD, HARD WORKING, STUDIOUS, FROM GOOD FAMILIES etc etc...YEAH RIGHT...they are ALL STILL DRUG DEALERS AND USERS...LOWLIFES!!!
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Where is your version in print?
They don't have printers in the hood, it's street talk, he must have got the smoke signals and the flying pigeons mixed up
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THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED... THIS IS NOT WHAT THE NEWS REPORTED WHEN THIS STORY FIRST BROKE...
This college slut wanted a night of S&M, RAPE and BRUTALITY and she found someone who was willing to provide her that pleasure. She paid the guy to do this to her and when she came down off of her night of extreme drug use she panicked at what she found out about herself: THAT SHE IS A SLUT...so to cover for herself she claimed RAPE. Now supposedly she was tied up and raped and all of these terrible things done to her, but she willingly let the guy into the building, there was no forced entry, she did not bare the marks of rape and this whole ordeal went on for hours according to her. The guy even supposedly took her ATM card and went and withdrew money from her account...WHOA! That means there was a lengthy period of time that she could have screamed and alerted neighbors to what was happening to her, but alas NO SCREAMS, NO NEIGHBORS, NO COPS....Give me a FUCKING BREAK... SHE IS A SLUT...she hated finding out she is a SLUT and now this IDIOT who engaged her ass in this S&M, BRUTALITY session will now face JAIL TIME for her lies.
All of this reminds me of the Katalyn Farber bitch who claimed Kobe Bryant RAPED her...only to find out the slut had fucked two other men right before Kobe...now how NASTY is that? She didn't even take a shower after the three men fucked her, because the semen and pubic hairs of all three men were found around her vagina...Kobe's dumb ass better be lucky he didn't get AIDS or something. Her goal was to fuck Kobe, then claim RAPE and tehn get PAID through lawsuits and/or BLACKMAIL...
everyone that plays the race card always brings up kobe. if a women is a slut i guess she deserves to raped then..come on even you aren't that stupid. forget the kobe incident you honestly believe this woman wanted her eyelids cut and bleach thrown on her.
as far as the your atm theory goes he probably had her tied and gagged thats why she couldn;t yell for help
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THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED... THIS IS NOT WHAT THE NEWS REPORTED WHEN THIS STORY FIRST BROKE...
This college slut wanted a night of S&M, RAPE and BRUTALITY and she found someone who was willing to provide her that pleasure. She paid the guy to do this to her and when she came down off of her night of extreme drug use she panicked at what she found out about herself: THAT SHE IS A SLUT...so to cover for herself she claimed RAPE. Now supposedly she was tied up and raped and all of these terrible things done to her, but she willingly let the guy into the building, there was no forced entry, she did not bare the marks of rape and this whole ordeal went on for hours according to her. The guy even supposedly took her ATM card and went and withdrew money from her account...WHOA! That means there was a lengthy period of time that she could have screamed and alerted neighbors to what was happening to her, but alas NO SCREAMS, NO NEIGHBORS, NO COPS....Give me a FUCKING BREAK... SHE IS A SLUT...she hated finding out she is a SLUT and now this IDIOT who engaged her ass in this S&M, BRUTALITY session will now face JAIL TIME for her lies.
All of this reminds me of the Katalyn Farber bitch who claimed Kobe Bryant RAPED her...only to find out the slut had fucked two other men right before Kobe...now how NASTY is that? She didn't even take a shower after the three men fucked her, because the semen and pubic hairs of all three men were found around her vagina...Kobe's dumb ass better be lucky he didn't get AIDS or something. Her goal was to fuck Kobe, then claim RAPE and tehn get PAID through lawsuits and/or BLACKMAIL...
everyone that plays the race card always brings up kobe. if a women is a slut i guess she deserves to raped then..come on even you aren't that stupid. forget the kobe incident you honestly believe this woman wanted her eyelids cut and bleach thrown on her.
as far as the your atm theory goes he probably had her tied and gagged thats why she couldn;t yell for help
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everyone that plays the race card always brings up kobe. if a women is a slut i guess she deserves to raped then..come on even you aren't that stupid. forget the kobe incident you honestly believe this woman wanted her eyelids cut and bleach thrown on her.
as far as the your atm theory goes he probably had her tied and gagged thats why she couldn;t yell for help
Yeh tied up in public without any strangers helping ::)
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THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED... THIS IS NOT WHAT THE NEWS REPORTED WHEN THIS STORY FIRST BROKE...
This college slut wanted a night of S&M, RAPE and BRUTALITY and she found someone who was willing to provide her that pleasure. She paid the guy to do this to her and when she came down off of her night of extreme drug use she panicked at what she found out about herself: THAT SHE IS A SLUT...so to cover for herself she claimed RAPE. Now supposedly she was tied up and raped and all of these terrible things done to her, but she willingly let the guy into the building, there was no forced entry, she did not bare the marks of rape and this whole ordeal went on for hours according to her. The guy even supposedly took her ATM card and went and withdrew money from her account...WHOA! That means there was a lengthy period of time that she could have screamed and alerted neighbors to what was happening to her, but alas NO SCREAMS, NO NEIGHBORS, NO COPS....Give me a FUCKING BREAK... SHE IS A SLUT...she hated finding out she is a SLUT and now this IDIOT who engaged her ass in this S&M, BRUTALITY session will now face JAIL TIME for her lies.
All of this reminds me of the Katalyn Farber bitch who claimed Kobe Bryant RAPED her...only to find out the slut had fucked two other men right before Kobe...now how NASTY is that? She didn't even take a shower after the three men fucked her, because the semen and pubic hairs of all three men were found around her vagina...Kobe's dumb ass better be lucky he didn't get AIDS or something. Her goal was to fuck Kobe, then claim RAPE and tehn get PAID through lawsuits and/or BLACKMAIL...
Your claim that she "discovered" that she enjoyed rape and panicked makes no sense since you're also claiming that she engineered the whole thing, meaning she knew very well what she enjoyed beforehand.
There's a world of difference between indulging darker sexual desires like a rape fantasy and being the victim of violent crime and disfigurement. The problem is that the perp is an idiot who can't tell the difference. Just like you.
Always respect the safeword kids.
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Do you think he was on creatine?
Thats like a legal steroid right?
everyone that plays the race card always brings up kobe. if a women is a slut i guess she deserves to raped then..come on even you aren't that stupid. forget the kobe incident you honestly believe this woman wanted her eyelids cut and bleach thrown on her.
as far as the your atm theory goes he probably had her tied and gagged thats why she couldn;t yell for help
Exactly. The Kobe case was a joke. So was the supposed Duke rape (where a black stripper accused white students of rape). In soccer there have been similar "Kobe cases" against Cristiano Ronaldo and Robin van Persie. The pattern here is clearly that a poor, lowlife woman wants to make a buck out of a rich guy. Here we have a rich woman and a bum with a criminal record.
Anyway, anybody with half a brain cell can see here that she was abused and raped by some lowlife thug.
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Oh dear, from you we are gifted so many paragraphs, yet so little substance; I thought the final SEVEN, YES SEVEN from your last post were pure gold; we have found your raw nerve LOL, Google boy.
Evolution Racial difference in intelligence is real because evidence for it is overwhelmingly clear.
So the evidence for evolution is clear to you?
The reason I highlighted your post and changed it to the from "evolution" to the subject of race based intelligence, was that you don't realize - due to being ignorant of the psychometric and historical evidence - that you are hanging himself by your own petard; that all the available evidence - as with evolution - for racial difference in intelligence and the genetic explanation for it - is clear.
You made a statement that applies equally to race based intelligence as much as it does to evolution.
You really didn't grasp my analogy with evolution and how it relates to the work of Cochran et al and the CHH paper, did you? You truly are out of your depth here.
But it's nice to see you in agreement with me.
Thanks for playing, now fuck off, read up on Cochran, Harpending, Risch et al, then come back and pretend you knew something about them all along.
You ignorant fool.
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Did this guy kill a man who was oiled up and wearing a thong? Otherwise there's no reason for this to be here.
MODS! ???
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You boys are taking this thread way off topic here. This is a worthless man that has brought unimaginable torment into this world, who cares if he is is from Hong Kong or the north pole, he is a sick man without a soul. Having a small IQ is the least of his worries.
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Certain death shall cross his path.