This **** needs to be tortured 24 hours a day for the rest of his life

[The Master]

Too vague and too many contingencies to answer definitively. Jared Diamond and S.J. Gould (particularly in his 'Mis-measure of Man') answer these questions and others related to biological determinism much better than I could anyway. I'll defer to them. I will say that I do count my blessings that I live where I have access to the world's best technology and pastimes rather than trying to eke out a miserable life/living/ in some basket-case country led by the kleptocrat-of-the-day.   

Where do you live? In penis land?

[dr.chimps]

Where do you live? In penis land?

LOL. No. Right next door in Canuckistan.

[The Master]

LOL. No. Right next door in Canuckistan.

Seems great. Debussey lives part time in the alien space ship still, where the 6 hour daily rapings with the anal prove still persists

[Sharma]

America , land of the free

[The Master]

America , land of the free

Not if your vision of how a society should be = the reality

[dr.chimps]

Not if your vision of how a society should be = the reality

Here's a question for ya, Debussey. I remember reading about one's guy's thesis about the life cycle of empires, and it included (I think) establishment, growth and expansion, complacency and finally collapse. I wonder if we are seeing the complacency part in the US right now? This ring a bell with you or who the guy was?   

/pissing me off that i can't trace this down 

[Ex Coelis]

that's not DMX

[Option D]

..the research is certainly mounting, but I don't see the point of the racial distinctions relating to a 5 point drift when the variation among a random sample of people is anything up to 50 points.

For example, rather than separating people by race you could draw lines based on glasses wearing... people who need glasses/contacts due to myopia (short-sightedness) have higher IQs (on average).

But the mechanism here is well understood, abundant quality calories throughout gestation and early childhood raise insulin levels to the point that the eye is shortened (or lengthened, can't remember)... hence, well fed wealthy people are more likely to have short sighted children... and that's enough to skew the IQ average.

Anyway, there are bigger scandals brewing in medical circles than a simple black/white IQ discrepancy.


There are a few circumstances under which this guy could actually walk with no jail time (based on medical research).

The Luke

teh mal has new respect for teh luke...

[The Master]

teh mal has new respect for teh luke...

Your new name: JazzMal.

[dan18]

What sort of sick fuck is this guy, I hope the prison population run a train on his ass.


NEW YORK - An ex-convict went on trial Thursday on charges of raping, torturing and burning a Columbia University graduate student in a 19-hour attack during which her eyelids were slit and she was forced to take so many painkillers that her liver failed.

Robert Williams, 31, sat with chained arms and legs, his head lowered, as the prosecutor delivered an opening statement that left several people in the courtroom weeping.

Williams turned the victim's small one-bedroom apartment into "his torture chamber" and violated the 23-year-old woman "in every way imaginable and in some ways unimaginable," Assistant District Attorney Ann Prunty told the jury.
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Prunty said Williams stopped the torture only after the victim — who at one point during the ordeal tried to kill herself — blacked out from hours of pain caused by knife wounds, boiling water, battering and sexual assaults.

"Then he could no longer feel power over another human being," Prunty said.

Life in prison if convicted
Williams is charged with kidnapping, arson, burglary and sexual assault. He faces life in prison if convicted.

The defendant's lawyer, Arnold Levine, tried but failed to have Williams declared mentally unfit for trial. Levine did not make an opening statement.

The victim, a Columbia University journalism graduate student, found Williams in her building's elevator in the Hamilton Heights neighborhood of Upper Manhattan when she came home around 9:30 p.m. on April 13, 2007, Prunty said. She said he followed her to her fifth-floor apartment and attacked her.

During the brutal ordeal, Prunty told jurors, Williams raped the victim, poured boiling water over her, hurled a pot of bleach in her face, ordered her to gouge out her own eyes with a pair of scissors, sealed her lips shut with glue and duct tape and slit her eyelids with a butcher's knife.

After one assault, he forced the woman to swallow a fistful of pills from her medicine cabinet and wash them down with four beers, Prunty said.

Doctors later said the woman's liver had failed, probably because of the medicine, and that a liver transplant might be necessary. Fortunately, the transplant was not needed, Prunty said.

The woman at one point tried to plunge a pair of scissors into her own neck in a bid to commit suicide.

After about 19 hours, Prunty said, Williams tied the naked, unconscious woman to a futon with computer cables and set it on fire. The woman awoke and smelled smoke, broke free and made her way to the hallway, where she was rescued.

Prunty said Williams' DNA was found on the victim and her clothing, and her DNA was found on his clothing. Security cameras captured him trying to withdraw money with the woman's ATM card, she said.

During the time she was conscious, Prunty said, the victim studied Williams closely. Prunty said every scar and feature she later described to police matched the appearance of the defendant.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24993223/

And they cant get a cab in ny 

[Heywood]

Stereotypes are usually fueled by racism. Therefore debussey=stereotyping racist. 

Uh, yeah.  And sterotypes are also fueled by fear as well.  

If a white woman doesn't get on an elevator with a black man she doesn't know, that's not racism, that's fear.

[Method101]

don't say he didnt warn you. 

[The Luke]

Dr Chimps,


I think what you are referring to is Dr (Prof?) Jared Diamond's books "Guns, Germs and Steel" and more relevantly his new book "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail".

Diamond's theories are certainly on the right track... but I think the issue at the core of this current discussion is DYSGENIA.

Dysgenic cultures are those in which societal pressures cause a drop in median IQ (the IQ which the most people have: it's about 96 in most cultures where the AVERAGE is 100), there are very few examples of human societies that were actively EUGENIC in the true sense... and that's given eugenics a bad name: the Nazis are a perfect example of a group practicing genocidal dysgenics under the guise of eugenics (ie: a group of sheep-stupid morons culling an ethnic group with above average IQs: European Jews).


Caveman culture is passively eugenic (which caused the evolution of big-brained humans from earlier hominids in the first place), but sadly, agricultural/industrial society is passively dysgenic and therefore intrinsically unstable... lower IQ people out-breed the higher IQ caste which in turn leads to societal collapse (the "complacency" before the collapse).


The Luke

[The Master]

Dr Chimps,


I think what you are referring to is Dr (Prof?) Jared Diamond's books "Guns, Germs and Steel" and more relevantly his new book "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail".

Diamond's theories are certainly on the right track... but I think the issue at the core of this current discussion is DYSGENIA.

Dysgenic cultures are those in which societal pressures cause a drop in median IQ (the IQ which the most people have: it's about 96 in most cultures where the AVERAGE is 100), there are very few examples of human societies that were actively EUGENIC in the true sense... and that's given eugenics a bad name: the Nazis are a perfect example of a group practicing genocidal dysgenics under the guise of eugenics (ie: a group of sheep-stupid morons culling an ethnic group with above average IQs: European Jews).


Caveman culture is passively eugenic (which caused the evolution of big-brained humans from earlier hominids in the first place), but sadly, agricultural/industrial society is passively dysgenic and therefore intrinsically unstable... lower IQ people out-breed the higher IQ caste which in turn leads to societal collapse (the "complacency" before the collapse).


The Luke

Great post

That society allows low IQ people to breed tons of sub - 80IQ bastards =  &%#/&%Q/#¤.

Luckily, genetic engineering will put a stop to this, at least to a certain degree.

Eugenics = needed.

[The Master]

Here's a question for ya, Debussey. I remember reading about one's guy's thesis about the life cycle of empires, and it included (I think) establishment, growth and expansion, complacency and finally collapse. I wonder if we are seeing the complacency part in the US right now? This ring a bell with you or who the guy was?   

/pissing me off that i can't trace this down 

Will comment on this later.

[Fulgorre]

I am sure she was just another white b*tch to him!  I didn't even read but I am assuming she is white correct?

[Oki_Rej]

just f_ckn sad that someone could do shit like that

[Matt C]

Too vague and too many contingencies to answer definitively. Jared Diamond and S.J. Gould (particularly in his 'Mis-measure of Man') answer these questions and others related to biological determinism much better than I could anyway. I'll defer to them. I will say that I do count my blessings that I live where I have access to the world's best technology and pastimes rather than trying to eke out a miserable life/living/ in some basket-case country led by the kleptocrat-of-the-day.   

Chimps, would you agree [and indeed as stated at Wikipedia] that Diamond's contention is that Europeans have been successful [at building civilizations] purely due to environmental forces?  That European civilization is purely a result of environmental need rather than an innate ability?  That the success of Europeans at civilization building isn't based in genetics, but rather, is environmental?  That the driver is to be found within a groups reaction to ecological factors rather than anything at the ethnocentric level thereof?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Diamond

Would you agree?

[jonsande]

You guys are fucking morons, rambling on about lower IQs in black people in some feeble attempt to 'scientifically' justify your ignorant and unsophisticated world views.  Jesus tapdancing Christ, it's 2008.  Read a book.

The amount of genetic separation that sets apart black people from white people (or any race from any other race) is so absurdly minuscule that it's not even worth a discussion, let alone an attempt to explain why one group's IQ is lower than another. 

What's at work here is completely left to social factors, which is a whole other discussion that I won't even bother to get into. 

And when it comes to the OP's topic, rest assured that this guy will be dead within a few months of his sentence.  As soon as the other prisoners find out the details about what he did, he's done.  Prison justice never fails.

[youandme]

Dr Chimps,


I think what you are referring to is Dr (Prof?) Jared Diamond's books "Guns, Germs and Steel" and more relevantly his new book "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail".

Diamond's theories are certainly on the right track... but I think the issue at the core of this current discussion is DYSGENIA.

Dysgenic cultures are those in which societal pressures cause a drop in median IQ (the IQ which the most people have: it's about 96 in most cultures where the AVERAGE is 100), there are very few examples of human societies that were actively EUGENIC in the true sense... and that's given eugenics a bad name: the Nazis are a perfect example of a group practicing genocidal dysgenics under the guise of eugenics (ie: a group of sheep-stupid morons culling an ethnic group with above average IQs: European Jews).


Caveman culture is passively eugenic (which caused the evolution of big-brained humans from earlier hominids in the first place), but sadly, agricultural/industrial society is passively dysgenic and therefore intrinsically unstable... lower IQ people out-breed the higher IQ caste which in turn leads to societal collapse (the "complacency" before the collapse).


The Luke

Go read another book. Professors, Academics, and some of the best authors in the world stood behind Hitler during WWII and the genocide including Thomas Mann. Highly misinformed

[240 is Back]

She should have pulled her legally concealed handgun and gave the kid a brain eviction in that elevator shaft.

[Matt C]

You guys are fucking morons, rambling on about lower IQs in black people in some feeble attempt to 'scientifically' justify your ignorant and unsophisticated world views.  Jesus tapdancing Christ, it's 2008.  Read a book.

The amount of genetic separation that sets apart black people from white people (or any race from any other race) is so absurdly minuscule that it's not even worth a discussion, let alone an attempt to explain why one group's IQ is lower than another. 

What's at work here is completely left to social factors, which is a whole other discussion that I won't even bother to get into. 

And when it comes to the OP's topic, rest assured that this guy will be dead within a few months of his sentence.  As soon as the other prisoners find out the details about what he did, he's done.  Prison justice never fails.

Read a book written by whom?  The scientific consensus does not agree that what is at work here is "completely left to social factors", but clearly you know better than the majority of scientists right? 

And 1% or even 0.1% of genetic variation is EXTREMELY significant in biological terms.

[sgt. d]

She should have pulled her legally concealed handgun and gave the kid a brain eviction in that elevator shaft.

She had a gun and didnt use it

[Danimal77]

I am sure she was just another white b*tch to him!  I didn't even read but I am assuming she is white correct?

And you're just another illiterate ass.

[dr.chimps]

Chimps, would you agree [and indeed as stated at Wikipedia] that Diamond's contention is that Europeans have been successful [at building civilizations] purely due to environmental forces?  That European civilization is purely a result of environmental need rather than an innate ability?  That the success of Europeans at civilization building isn't based in genetics, but rather, is environmental?  That the driver is to be found within a groups reaction to ecological factors rather than anything at the ethnocentric level thereof?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Diamond

Would you agree?

Hi Matt. Late to the party. Actually, that was the charge leveled against Diamond for Guns, Germs and Steel, although I thought he went to great lengths to argue against such a determinative argument. I really did. His following book, Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed addresses this criticism nicely as well as further arguing his point.