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In the US I still see tons of SUV/Trucks with only 1 person in it. Those things are gas guzzlers yet people are still driving them. Also the average American car is pretty large.
I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.
Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand. This can be accomplished by taxing gasoline to the point where it reaches $10+/ gallon.
Also keep in mind that current price of gas $4.50+- is not because there is less oil available, but because the suppliers are setting they see fit.
This will also provide a financial incentive for Americans to buy more fuel effiecients cars, which in turn would start a cycle of car manufacturers making cheaper and more efficient cars (win/win). And also make us look at alternative options.
we don't need short terms fixes, we need long term solutions unfortunately no politician will would be elected under those conditions.
if you are against please state why.
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In the US I still see tons of SUV/Trucks with only 1 person in it. Those things are gas guzzlers yet people are still driving them. Also the average American car is pretty large.
I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.
Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand. This can be accomplished by taxing gasoline to the point where it reaches $10+/ gallon.
Also keep in mind that current price of gas $4.50+- is not because there is less oil available, but because the suppliers are setting they see fit.
This will also provide a financial incentive for Americans to buy more fuel effiecients cars, which in turn would start a cycle of car manufacturers making cheaper and more efficient cars (win/win). And also make us look at alternative options.
we don't need short terms fixes, we need long term solutions unfortunately no politician will would be elected under those conditions.
if you are against please state why.
i already wrote that a few days ago.
;D ;D
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I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.
That's because the speed limits are much higher or nonexistant. The solution is for everyone to drive much, much faster. Put your foot down for the planet, Betty.
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In the US I still see tons of SUV/Trucks with only 1 person in it. Those things are gas guzzlers yet people are still driving them. Also the average American car is pretty large.
I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.
Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand. This can be accomplished by taxing gasoline to the point where it reaches $10+/ gallon.
Also keep in mind that current price of gas $4.50+- is not because there is less oil available, but because the suppliers are setting they see fit.
This will also provide a financial incentive for Americans to buy more fuel effiecients cars, which in turn would start a cycle of car manufacturers making cheaper and more efficient cars (win/win). And also make us look at alternative options.
we don't need short terms fixes, we need long term solutions unfortunately no politician will would be elected under those conditions.
if you are against please state why.
well when you are paying out the ass for everything from food to electronics you will see the flaw in this-----------the trucking industry is a huge part of America and at $10 a gallon----everything we take for granted now will be 3-5times the cost
stupid and not very well thought out argument :-\
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well when you are paying out the ass for everything from food to electronics you will see the flaw in this-----------the trucking industry is a huge part of America and at $10 a gallon----everything we take for granted now will be 3-5times the cost
stupid and not very well thought out argument :-\
from my understand most trucks run on Diesel, the tax increase would not extend to Diesel
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i already wrote that a few days ago.
;D ;D
cool, this has been on my mind for a while yet the average person seem not able to grasp this concept.
this would immediately make people start to use mass transit or seek alternative options ( bikes, mopeds, car pool, diesel, electric, walk). But as stated no politician would get elected if he mentioned this, this is the long answer that we need.
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That's because the speed limits are much higher or nonexistant. The solution is for everyone to drive much, much faster. Put your foot down for the planet, Betty.
lol, brutal bullshit here, i hope you are kidding.
Only country without general speed limits is germany, and even here we have lots of speed limits - plus, the amount of used gasoline is rising enormously when you speed.
Americans tned to drive big cars with big engines, while i.e. in italy and france, the bestsellers are small cars with small engines.
cool, this has been on my mind for a while yet the average person seem not able to grasp this concept.
this would immediately make people start to use mass transit or seek alternative options ( bikes, mopeds, car pool, diesel, electric, walk). But as stated no politician would get elected if he mentioned this, this is the long answer that we need.
Plus it would free us from the arabs and save the environment.
Problem would be the transition time until new methods are available. With rising gas prices, EVERYTHING from living to food to entertainment will be super-expensive.
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I heard it will be $8 a gallon by the end of the summer. >:(
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lol, brutal bullshit here, i hope you are kidding.
Only country without general speed limits is germany, and even here we have lots of speed limits - plus, the amount of used gasoline is rising enormously when you speed.
Americans tned to drive big cars with big engines, while i.e. in italy and france, the bestsellers are small cars with small engines.
Plus it would free us from the arabs and save the environment.
Problem would be the transition time until new methods are available. With rising gas prices, EVERYTHING from living to food to entertainment will be super-expensive.
not really, just need to announce a plan like
"We will add a $1 tax to gas every calendar year for the next 5 years". Immediately people will start to buy the diesel and alternative options.
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I heard it will be $8 a gallon by the end of the summer. >:(
Don't cry, it was your country that decided to "stir things up a little" in the middle east... ;D ;D
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not really, just need to announce a plan like
"We will add a $1 tax to gas every calendar year for the next 5 years". Immediately people will start to buy the diesel and alternative options.
Diesel is more expensive than gasoline in europe.
Diesel = oil.
Hope this helps.
What you need is Hydrogen fuel, solar power or sth like that.
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lol, brutal bullshit here, i hope you are kidding.
;D
You have to remember that a lot of American drivers will panic at speeds over 120 kph. More fatalities = less drivers, lessening the drain on the planet's resources. A high proportion of them will probably be obese since fat people have poor reaction time.
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Gas/petrol and diesel is already £5/10 dollars a gallon in the U.K
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You have to remember that a lot of American drivers will panic at speeds over 120 kph. More fatalities = less drivers, lessening the drain on the planet's resources. A high proportion of them will probably be obese since fat people have poor reaction time.
how about just putting a ban on anything bigger than a smart?
fat people cannot fit in so the problem will be solved as 70% americans = overweight.
(http://myhongkong.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/smart.jpg)
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Don't cry, it was your country that decided to "stir things up a little" in the middle east... ;D ;D
There are no tears in my post. that's a pissed off smiley. >:(
...and when did I become president that you can blame me for the "stir up in the middle east"? ??? (not that - that is the reason for the fuel increase anyway)
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Gas/petrol and diesel is already £5/10 dollars a gallon in the U.K
But if the dollar recovers it will only be 7 or 8 dollars per gallon, so you'll be feeling some relief.
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There are no tears in my post. that's a pissed off smiley. >:(
...and when did I become president that you can blame me for the "stir up in the middle east"? ??? (not that - that is the reason for the fuel increase anyway)
Who did you vote? ;D ;D
But if the dollar recovers it will only be 7 or 8 dollars per gallon, so you'll be feeling some relief.
Never gonna happen.
Greedy fat idiots with too many credit cards killed the dollar. ;D
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this would immediately make people start to use mass transit or seek alternative options ( bikes, mopeds, car pool, diesel, electric, walk). But as stated no politician would get elected if he mentioned this, this is the long answer that we need.
I heard it will be $8 a gallon by the end of the summer. >:(
This is prolly drivel, as comparing the driving we do to that those in larger nations do is nowhere near an accurate measure - but we are at $8 a gallon now, and no one is thinking to catch a bus.
Not a thought, gov tried some campaign to encourage us to bus it and that was met with hyena like laughs and disbelief of government while we drove around in our cars.
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Who did you vote? ;D ;D
Not for the current. ;D
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Not for the current. ;D
i hope you vote for the right person this year... ;D ;D
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What would you do to get a flying car?
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What would you do to get a flying car?
I LOVE THAT CLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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In the US I still see tons of SUV/Trucks with only 1 person in it. Those things are gas guzzlers yet people are still driving them. Also the average American car is pretty large.
I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.
Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand. This can be accomplished by taxing gasoline to the point where it reaches $10+/ gallon.
Also keep in mind that current price of gas $4.50+- is not because there is less oil available, but because the suppliers are setting they see fit.
This will also provide a financial incentive for Americans to buy more fuel effiecients cars, which in turn would start a cycle of car manufacturers making cheaper and more efficient cars (win/win). And also make us look at alternative options.
we don't need short terms fixes, we need long term solutions unfortunately no politician will would be elected under those conditions.
if you are against please state why.
Not against it, but i don't think it would change this.
I still remember years ago listening to a talk show where they made your exact claim, this was when gas was over 2.50/gallon...they said, "gas should be $5 per gallon, then nobody would be driving an SUV or not commuting anymore"
lol...well, we've seen how that worked out ::)
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25 mpg? I don't know anyone who has ever gotten over 20 mpg (daily average) in real world driving.
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What is your reasoning why we shouldnt drive gas guzzlers? Oh wait, you must think global warming is real...
lmfao hahahahhahhaha. Another mindless lib.
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not really, just need to announce a plan like
"We will add a $1 tax to gas every calendar year for the next 5 years". Immediately people will start to buy the diesel and alternative options.
diesel here in the south is $4.75 now....and 87 octane is $3.80+
why would i move to deisel? vege oil? the conversion kits cost another $3500....probably another 2k to have put in.....
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Some people will be able to afford it so the SUV will live.
Others will buy more fuel efficient cars.
Others will move closer to work.
Some will buy motorcycles and scooters. (I did)
Some will take mass transit.
There needs to be money dumped into mass transit like trains and rail for the long term. Also alternative fuels like wind solar water veggie ect...
Problem is a lot of money is funneled through politics by big oil and oil product users which make government turn a blind eye.
Most Americans are against the war we just have a dumb azz in office right now and the possibility of getting his twin dumb azz elected. Some people just dont get it...
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Even here SUV's are getting trendy - pretty idiotic if you take into account that in austria/vienna streets are narrow and parking lots microsized.
Not the SUV's but the trend is shitty.
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In the US I still see tons of SUV/Trucks with only 1 person in it. Those things are gas guzzlers yet people are still driving them. Also the average American car is pretty large.
I see one retarded homosexual president in america riding in a commercial jet called AIR FORCE ONE and he is the only person on the plane being chauffeured from Washington to his retarded daughters wedding in Texas. Politicians are very contradictory would you say?
I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.
The very small cars average those milages...not the BMW, Mercedes, Audis etc or the cars imported to america. Europeans also use an rather extensive train system with high speed trains to get to and fro. America only has a decrepit Amtrak that shakes uncontrollably once it hits 60 miles per hour
Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand. This can be accomplished by taxing gasoline to the point where it reaches $10+/ gallon.
YEAH ...why don't we just give the god damn petrochemical industry our entire check, this way we won't have to worry about what we are paying at the pump any more. Truth is they want all of our money in their pockets anyway...lets just save them the trouble of creating more lies in order to get it.
Also keep in mind that current price of gas $4.50+- is not because there is less oil available, but because the suppliers are setting they see fit.
You just contradicted yourself with your statement above. You imply that the reason gas is going up is due to low supply "Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand, then you say in this statement that the reason gas is going up has nothing to do with there being less oil...but because suppliers are settting what they see fit" YES...THAT IS THE GREED OF THE AMERICAN PETROCHEMICAL INDUSTRY
This will also provide a financial incentive for Americans to buy more fuel efficients cars, which in turn would start a cycle of car manufacturers making cheaper and more efficient cars (win/win). And also make us look at alternative options.
With GM about to close down and the other american automotive manufacturers about to do the same, with americans losing their jobs to the tune of 3 to 4 hundred thousand per week, with he cost of all other goods skyrocketing WHO THE HELL HAS MONEY TO BUY ANOTHER CAR???? You are now incurring a massive debt in order to SAVE MONEY?...That is irrational thinking. And in the end the gas will still continue to rise to the petrochemicals greedy desire
we don't need short terms fixes, we need long term solutions unfortunately no politician will would be elected under those conditions.
What america needs is to get out of the CAPITALISM game...It is extremely destructive,promotes poverty, wars, criminal activity (on the corporate level), promotes a grossly uneven dispensing of wealth to a few and because of such, puts the power to control government in the hands of the same
if you are against please state why.
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This is prolly drivel, as comparing the driving we do to that those in larger nations do is nowhere near an accurate measure - but we are at $8 a gallon now, and no one is thinking to catch a bus.
Not a thought, gov tried some campaign to encourage us to bus it and that was met with hyena like laughs and disbelief of government while we drove around in our cars.
you live on a small island that has 1 bus..tell gov to buy a second thus increasing productivity 100%
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Diesel is more expensive than gasoline in europe.
Diesel = oil.
Hope this helps.
What you need is Hydrogen fuel, solar power or sth like that.
you should look up the process of seperating the hydrogen atom from water...guess what..that process uses oil :-\
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This is prolly drivel, as comparing the driving we do to that those in larger nations do is nowhere near an accurate measure - but we are at $8 a gallon now, and no one is thinking to catch a bus.
Not a thought, gov tried some campaign to encourage us to bus it and that was met with hyena like laughs and disbelief of government while we drove around in our cars.
good, that means that the general population has the money to absorb the price thus paying a higher tax to the gov.
the people that are able to use the mass transit system will save a fortune..
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good, that means that the general population has the money to absorb the price thus paying a higher tax to the gov.
Yup, we absorb it no issue, recall we drive less. Tax is not the issue causing the price, it's the logistical issues a small island creates actually.
you live on a small island that has 1 bus..tell gov to buy a second thus increasing productivity 100%
LOL. We have a full scale bus system, as well as fast ferries, both islandwide. Most people here are not willing to give up the conveniences of driving to wait in 95 degree temps for a bus/boat to save cash of that amount. That's here, my people, can't speak for others.
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you should look up the process of seperating the hydrogen atom from water...guess what..that process uses oil :-\
The process does not require oil...what it does require is a small amount of electricity to break the atoms of hydrogen and oxygen apart. The two gases can be captured and used as fuel with the exhaust being water.
In Washington DC a number of universities put on a large display of energy efficient homes about two years ago. I believe it was the University of Virginia that created an entire system of capturing rain water off of the roof of a home, storing it in a barrel sized container, using solar panels to create enough electricity to provide the power to split the atoms and (batteries to store excess power for cloudy days) into singular hydrogen and oxygen gases, convert these gases to a form usable in stoves, water heaters, furnaces etc and all at no cost to the home owner except for the cost of buying the equipment. Of course the petrochemical industry came out and DEMONIZED the students and university's idea (even thought they had a full working model in a home) was idiotic and unfeasible. You have to understand that the petrochemical industry does not want anyone off of OIL and will do whatever to keep you shackled to it....EVEN IF THAT MEAN LIE AND DEMONIZE YOUR PRODUCT!!!
BTW you know why solar is so expensive and not in use like it should???...It is because the petrochemical industry owns the rights to solar power!!!!!!!
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In the US I still see tons of SUV/Trucks with only 1 person in it. Those things are gas guzzlers yet people are still driving them. Also the average American car is pretty large.
I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.
Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand. This can be accomplished by taxing gasoline to the point where it reaches $10+/ gallon.
Also keep in mind that current price of gas $4.50+- is not because there is less oil available, but because the suppliers are setting they see fit.
This will also provide a financial incentive for Americans to buy more fuel effiecients cars, which in turn would start a cycle of car manufacturers making cheaper and more efficient cars (win/win). And also make us look at alternative options.
we don't need short terms fixes, we need long term solutions unfortunately no politician will would be elected under those conditions.
if you are against please state why.
You obviously mean well but even you are misguided. SUVs are not the problem; the problem is that we are still driving vehicles that run on gasoline. In 2008 we have the technology to build vehicles that run on alternative renewable fuels: hydrogen, water, solar, electric, air, etc. but the political and consumer will to make these vehicles and sell them is simply not there yet. There are very powerful forces committed to keeping Americans (and the world) in cars that run on gasoline.
Even the hybrids that have proven so popular buy into this paradigm; it doesn’t matter how good the vehicle’s mileage is: if it runs on gasoline we are still in the same boat: sending our kids to war over oil, drilling in the ANWR, etc. :'(
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You obviously mean well but even you are misguided. SUVs are not the problem; the problem is that we are still driving vehicles that run on gasoline. In 2008 we have the technology to build vehicles that run on alternative renewable fuels: hydrogen, water, solar, electric, air, etc. but the political and consumer will to make these vehicles and sell them is simply not there yet. There are very powerful forces committed to keeping Americans (and the world) in cars that run on gasoline.
Even the hybrids that have proven so popular buy into this paradigm; it doesn’t matter how good the vehicle’s mileage is: if it runs on gasoline we are still in the same boat: sending our kids to war over oil, drilling in the ANWR, etc. :'(
Gayer than mostly agreeing with Bay. (except for the drilling in ANWR issue... until we actually lay down the infrastructure to get there, we need to tap as many domestic sources as possible)
I've said this before... the ultimate answer is hydrogen fuel cells, with the hydrogen being produced by electricity generated primarily from nuclear supplemented by solar where feasible. On the way there we should be using plug-in hybrids as much as possible. (vehicles you plug in that run primarily on electric drive and L-ion batteries, with a gasoline or diesel motor that kicks in when the electric range is exceeded.)
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somebody google "algae fuel".
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Bay and Goat, my intention is to get the American public off our addiction to petro. Ofcourse the end goal is a renew/reusable form of fuel. I am merely presented and idea to get us to reduce our demand for it.
My point is that without financial motivation we will never change.
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Gayer than mostly agreeing with Bay. (except for the drilling in ANWR issue... until we actually lay down the infrastructure to get there, we need to tap as many domestic sources as possible)
I've said this before... the ultimate answer is hydrogen fuel cells, with the hydrogen being produced by electricity generated primarily from nuclear supplemented by solar where feasible. On the way there we should be using plug-in hybrids as much as possible. (vehicles you plug in that run primarily on electric drive and L-ion batteries, with a gasoline or diesel motor that kicks in when the electric range is exceeded.)
Gayer than eventually making oil = not needed, thus eventually rendering the arab world bankrupt. 8)
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Bay and Goat, my intention is to get the American public off our addiction to petro. Ofcourse the end goal is a renew/reusable form of fuel. I am merely presented and idea to get us to reduce our demand for it.
My point is that without financial motivation we will never change.
Gayer than europeans thinking taxation is the answer to everything. ;D
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Gayer than europeans thinking taxation is the answer to everything. ;D
Gayer than the US running with a budget deficit for 29 out of the last 31 years, while the "socialist" Norwegian gouvernment not having more than 1 year in teh deficit during the same time period.
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Europeans have I fuel costs because of high taxes. Also, their cars have to be smaller because they live in tight-knit metro areas and not the sprawling suburban areas that we in the U.S. do. That means tighter turns and narrower/smaller roads. This is also why their cars are tuned to handle better. They also have less emissions and safety restrictions than the U.S. does, which allows for lighter cars and more efficient engines b/c of a lack of power sapping and weighty emissions equipment. This then allows them to use highly efficient diesel engines.
With all of the regulations, and they grow every year, manufacturers have a much harder time meeting these regulations. Saftey systems and structures = more weight, which leads to the need for a more powerful engine..and so on.
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Gayer than the US running with a budget deficit for 29 out of the last 31 years, while the "socialist" Norwegian gouvernment not having more than 1 year in teh deficit during the same time period.
Gayer than your lack of appreciation for musical talent. ;D
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Gayer than your lack of appreciation for musical talent. ;D
Gayer than Debussey being a huge fan or real music, while despising quack jobs and talentless goth bitches >:(
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Gayer than Debussey being a huge fan or real music, while despising quack jobs and talentless goth bitches >:(
Gayer than Debussey not appreciating goth bitches.
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Is this sleek and stylish mobile from that runs on compressed air not a step in the right direction? Only has a 125 mile range at this time, but they are working on some crap so you can jet around and refill at the same time. Max speed about 70mph. Going to production lines now...
(http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/31/the_air_car_2.jpg)
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Is this sleek and stylish mobile from that runs on compressed air not a step in the right direction? Only has a 125 mile range at this time, but they are working on some crap so you can jet around and refill at the same time. Max speed about 70mph. Going to production lines now...
(http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/31/the_air_car_2.jpg)
What is the name of that car?
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What is the name of that car?
its called "purple egg death trap"
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I just got a sweet deal on a "H-1"
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A better solution would be for the US and EU to take over the middle eastern countries and produce as much gasoline as we see fit. It would never happen due to the politically correct society we live in, but in ancient or roman times those sand n*ggers would have been conquered long ago for their resources.
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What is the name of that car?
"Air Car" made by Tata Motors. Was a thread about them on the politics board.
Quite the beauty is it not :D
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Is this sleek and stylish mobile from that runs on compressed air not a step in the right direction? Only has a 125 mile range at this time, but they are working on some crap so you can jet around and refill at the same time. Max speed about 70mph. Going to production lines now...
Gayer than CQ failing to follow format. >:(
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Gayer than CQ failing to follow format. >:(
Gayer than saying sorry - but in my defense I honestly feel that posting that pic of that car was so gay that needed no more additon to assist. :-[
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"Air Car" made by Tata Motors. Was a thread about them on the politics board.
Quite the beauty is it not :D
Gayer than CQ thinking anyone would drive that rolling death-trap on a typical US freeway.
That's a city car and that's it, which is about useless most places in America.
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Gayer than CQ thinking anyone would drive that rolling death-trap on a typical US freeway.
That's a city car and that's it, which is about useless most places in America.
Gayer than pointing out I personally wouldn't be caught dead in that thing if I got one for free, and have said many times gas is high and I just pay it and am not really pertubed. But people are mentioning alternatives, and well - as ridiculous as that contraption looks - it seemed fitting to mention as it does not run off gas.
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Gayer than pointing out I personally wouldn't be caught dead in that thing if I got one for free, and have said many times gas is high and I just pay it and am not really pertubed. But people are mentioning alternatives, and well - as ridiculous as that contraption looks - it seemed fitting to mention as it does not run off gas.
I think that's the big reason people are so put off by alternative vehicles, because manufacturers put out crap like that that most people wouldn't be caught dead in. Americans will not drive shit like that, no matter what Europeans are doing. That's why I think the best short-term answer is plug-in hybrids, that will run all-electric for the number of miles the average daily commuter drives on a single charge, but that has a gasoline or diesel engine as well. You can make one of those out of a normal car like an Accord or Camry. But seriously, producing cars that look like glorified golf carts contributes to the problem, it doesn't solve it.
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In the US I still see tons of SUV/Trucks with only 1 person in it. Those things are gas guzzlers yet people are still driving them. Also the average American car is pretty large.
I read that in Europe they are average nearly 40 mpg while we are averaging 25 mpg.
Since we can't control supply (OPEC), I contend that we should control our demand. This can be accomplished by taxing gasoline to the point where it reaches $10+/ gallon.
Also keep in mind that current price of gas $4.50+- is not because there is less oil available, but because the suppliers are setting they see fit.
This will also provide a financial incentive for Americans to buy more fuel effiecients cars, which in turn would start a cycle of car manufacturers making cheaper and more efficient cars (win/win). And also make us look at alternative options.
we don't need short terms fixes, we need long term solutions unfortunately no politician will would be elected under those conditions.
if you are against please state why.
Terrible idea. Why not make it $20 a gallon? Even less will be used?
Other countries dictate the price of our gas, not just America. When their usage goes up, we see a hit. Due to a weak US dollar, we also see a price increase.
There's no doubt we have our share of assclowns in this country driving Hummers/Escalades sucking up twice the gas and "living large". To drop the energy usage down slightly, stop selling oversized cars to assholes. There's a good law to pass.
I'd say 5% of the people who own a truck/SUV, actually need them. Or, tax them more at the pump. If you drive a oversized SUV for no reason, you pay $8 per gallon, a Neon pays $2 per gallon. Almost like taxing the rich more, however it's not. You shouldn't be penalized for being successful, something the democrats have failed to figure out, with all their Section 8 hand outs, which in return=votes. The SUV tax would help people make better decisions, while picking up a car. If you use your truck for work, it's a write off, so $8ga works still.
Any Hummer with rims, $20ga...oversized car/asshole tax. ;) A Ferrari, regular $4. So, it's not biased against successful people, just the douchebags.
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Other countries dictate the price of our gas, not just America. When their usage goes up, we see a hit. Due to a weak US dollar, we also see a price increase.
Gee... someone who actually understands economics. :D
I get seriously tired of the uneducated masses who think the price of oil has something to do with the government, the Iraq war, or oil companies just pulling prices out of their asses.
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I think that's the big reason people are so put off by alternative vehicles, because manufacturers put out crap like that that most people wouldn't be caught dead in. Americans will not drive shit like that, no matter what Europeans are doing. That's why I think the best short-term answer is plug-in hybrids, that will run all-electric for the number of miles the average daily commuter drives on a single charge, but that has a gasoline or diesel engine as well. You can make one of those out of a normal car like an Accord or Camry. But seriously, producing cars that look like glorified golf carts contributes to the problem, it doesn't solve it.
Same here, magnified really due to our size. We are that small that in a 10 min drive you see like 5 people you know. So, I am totally serious when I say I could get one free and would not drive it. People would call me up and ask am I losing my mind. Very uncool.
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Economics and the "free market" will take care of the push to more fuel efficient vehicles, less driving, demand etc. The intermediate step is to explore and exploit the U.S. domestic energy potential. Coal, oil and natural gas. After that a shift to nuclear, wind, and solar should be used to make up a much larger percentage of our power generation. The problem with the U.S. is that our Congress' best idea for a relevant energy plan has nothing in it about energy production...how can the U.S. become energy independent if we still buy 500 billion dollars of oil from OPEC? And if we refuse to exploit our own ample energy supplies? Call me old fashioned, but I just don't get it.
Hydrogen is cute, but the infrastructure isn't even within a light year of being ready to service an entire fleet of hydrogen powered cars.
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how about just putting a ban on anything bigger than a smart?
fat people cannot fit in so the problem will be solved as 70% americans = overweight.
(http://myhongkong.files.wordpress.com/2006/11/smart.jpg)
A friend of mine that weighs 130kgs, having huge arms and legs can drive a smart feeling very confortable!
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Hydrogen is cute, but the infrastructure isn't even within a light year of being ready to service an entire fleet of hydrogen powered cars.
Which is why it's the long-term answer, not the short or medium term one. With regard to hydrogen and the free market, you've got a "chicken/egg" problem... automakers won't build hydrogen fuel cell cars if there is no infrastructure to service them, and energy companies won't build the infrastructure if there are no hydrogen cars that use their product. Someone needs to prime the pump, and only government is in a position to do that.
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In the future, new technologies will replace petrol products. That is the day when the arab world dies.
Of course, we might have to deal with some AI billions of times smarter than humans and its potential to wipe us all out.
The exponential growth of technology will create a future completely different than the status quo based linear predictions of silly humanoids with no knowledge.
Debussey welcomes the future, in which Debussey will become a cyborg.
And Goatboy: Fuck you and your ugly talentless goth bitccces >:(
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My tanks for protection from da hatters.
Ill pay $10 a gallon at 18 miles per g
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And Goatboy: Fuck you and your ugly talentless goth bitccces >:(
;D
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from my understand most trucks run on Diesel, the tax increase would not extend to Diesel
i just filled my diesel truck up today at $4.89 a gallon
i filled up my gasoline truck and motorcycle up today at $3.80 a gallon
your idea seems a little flawed to me ;)
bench
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i just filled my diesel truck up today at $4.89 a gallon
i filled up my gasoline truck and motorcycle up today at $3.80 a gallon
your idea seems a little flawed to me ;)
bench
Hummer was $200 to fill this week.
Burban with bullet holes in it was $150 for reg
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Which is why it's the long-term answer, not the short or medium term one. With regard to hydrogen and the free market, you've got a "chicken/egg" problem... automakers won't build hydrogen fuel cell cars if there is no infrastructure to service them, and energy companies won't build the infrastructure if there are no hydrogen cars that use their product. Someone needs to prime the pump, and only government is in a position to do that.
Good point. The auto makes have, especially Honda and GM, have all fielded workable and usable hydrogen powered cars, but the problem is that there is no where to fill them up. Maybe someone should take the step in a few years and start an infrastructure at dealerships...
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Hummer was $200 to fill this week.
Burban with bullet holes in it was $150 for reg
f350 diesel was $140
chevy 1500 was $76
these two were not empty,i just decided to top them off
honda 929rr erion racing series was completly out of gas and i had to use premium :o
it ony cost me $18.00 dollars though,and it gets over 40 mpg ;D
bench
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THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1.30 PER GALLON.
This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer, take time to read this please.
Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!
I hear we are going to hit close to $ 5.00 a gallon by next summer, and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $2.00 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $3.79 for regular unleaded in my town.
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive act ion to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.
The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL.
If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to r each literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers.
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!
< BR>If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.
How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days !!!
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference.
If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $2.00 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
Keep it going!!!
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THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1.30 PER GALLON.
This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer, take time to read this please.
Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!
I hear we are going to hit close to $ 5.00 a gallon by next summer, and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $2.00 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $3.79 for regular unleaded in my town.
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive act ion to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.
The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL.
If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to r each literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers.
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!
< BR>If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.
How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days !!!
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference.
If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $2.00 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
Keep it going!!!
that actually makes sense to me
bench
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Won't work. Crude oil in a world commodity. Instead of selling it to exxon or mobil gas stations (which are all owned by independant businessmen anyway), XOM would simply sell it to others at market price. The only ways to lower the price are to increase supply or reduce damand.
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Buy more gas
Makes my family more money
I just prob became popular on this board 8)
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THIS IS NOT THE 'DON'T BUY' GAS FOR ONE DAY, BUT IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW WE CAN GET GAS BACK DOWN TO $1.30 PER GALLON.
This was sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. If you are tired of the gas prices going up AND they will continue to rise this summer, take time to read this please.
Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! It's worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!!
I hear we are going to hit close to $ 5.00 a gallon by next summer, and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $2.00 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $3.79 for regular unleaded in my town.
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive act ion to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action.
The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.
How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL.
If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to r each literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers.
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!
If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!
< BR>If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.
How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days !!!
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you!
Acting together we can make a difference.
If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $2.00 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
Keep it going!!!
The footnotes for all the lazy readers...this is all you need to read from the above post:
" For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL."