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believe it or not there are people who eat right, train hard and do the right things and make only minimal gains because their genetics don't allow for it....
Discuss....
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believe it or not there are people who eat right, train hard and do the right things and make only minimal gains because their genetics don't allow for it....
Discuss....
They are called naturals...
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They are called naturals...
There do exist the odd genetic freaks though! ;D
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They are called naturals...
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There do exist the odd genetic freaks though! ;D
there are not 5-10 genetic freaks in every gym, though; deicide... maybe 1 out of every 20 black dudes will be able to be ripped and muscular at the same time naturally... other than that.. your not gonna be big AND ripped naturally...
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there are not 5-10 genetic freaks in every gym, though; deicide... maybe 1 out of every 20 black dudes will be able to be ripped and muscular at the same time naturally... other than that.. your not gonna be big AND ripped naturally...
I disagree. I'm 205, 7%bf, at 5' 7". Not over 6' and 250lbs, but enough mass, and lean, no drugs. Most people simply don't have the consistency over time to make great gains for themselves. Genetics help, but to radically change one's physique, is attainable for everyone.
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I disagree. I'm 205, 7%bf, at 5' 7". Not over 6' and 250lbs, but enough mass, and lean, no drugs. Most people simply don't have the consistency over time to make great gains for themselves. Genetics help, but to radically change one's physique, is attainable for everyone.
Radically change is quite relative...
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Radically change is quite relative...
Gain or lose 40lbs roughly. Even 30lbs is a drastic change.
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Maybe you are putting a bit too much emphasis and focusing on genetics a bit too much. Sure there are some out there with awesome genetics (and before you ask, no that group does not include myself ;D), but anyone can see results.
But what do you mean by "minimal gains"? Like you just can't shed bodyfat? struggle putting on mass?
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before and after. I was 25 years old... 125 pounds at 5 foot 10. a bone rack. you can only go so far. I'm 180 today.
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before and after. I was 25 years old... 125 pounds at 5 foot 10. a bone rack. you can only go so far. I'm 180 today.
ALL BASS PLAYING
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Maybe you are putting a bit too much emphasis and focusing on genetics a bit too much. Sure there are some out there with awesome genetics (and before you ask, no that group does not include myself ;D), but anyone can see results.
But what do you mean by "minimal gains"? Like you just can't shed bodyfat? struggle putting on mass?
I struggled to put on muscle mass and I struggle to srop body fat. I have doubly cursed genetics; possible exception being my legs. This is an older shot and I dropped some fat since then.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/quads.jpg)
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I disagree. I'm 205, 7%bf, at 5' 7". Not over 6' and 250lbs, but enough mass, and lean, no drugs. Most people simply don't have the consistency over time to make great gains for themselves. Genetics help, but to radically change one's physique, is attainable for everyone.
at 5'7, you're claiming that you'd be roughly 199 pounds (just doing some quick arithmetic and using chick's estimate of being 4% bf on stage) in contest conditioning. natural.
i believe, good sir, that this would place you amongst the elitest of natural bodybuilders, as i believe many of the "cheaters" in the WNBF step on stage at that size, which is particularly incredible given your height as even the 200 pounders there tend to be more along the lines of 5'10 or so.
so congratulations, you're bigger than the best natural bodybuilders, including the ones who probably aren't actually natural, and within 10 pounds of contest conditioning to boot.
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at 5'7, you're claiming that you'd be roughly 199 pounds (just doing some quick arithmetic and using chick's estimate of being 4% bf on stage) in contest conditioning. natural.
i believe, good sir, that this would place you amongst the elitest of natural bodybuilders, as i believe many of the "cheaters" in the WNBF step on stage at that size, which is particularly incredible given your height as even the 200 pounders there tend to be more along the lines of 5'10 or so.
so congratulations, you're bigger than the best natural bodybuilders, including the ones who probably aren't actually natural, and within 10 pounds of contest conditioning to boot.
lol, interesting...
He must be a damn good natty, or damn good at giving getbig stats :-\
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lol, interesting...
He must be a damn good natty, or damn good at giving getbig stats :-\
I choose the latter.
Even though we know what he looks like he will not post a recent pic of his superb genetics. Why do they own themselves?
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I choose the latter.
Even though we know what he looks like he will not post a recent pic of his superb genetics. Why do they own themselves?
I have the worst BB genetics on getbig.
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I have the worst BB genetics on getbig.
I doubt that..... but you don't claim 7% year round conditioning at 200 lbs natural.
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I doubt that..... but you don't claim 7% year round conditioning at 200 lbs natural.
Dude, I have never even seen my abs and I would bet I DO have the worst genetics of anyone here.
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at 5'7, you're claiming that you'd be roughly 199 pounds (just doing some quick arithmetic and using chick's estimate of being 4% bf on stage) in contest conditioning. natural.
i believe, good sir, that this would place you amongst the elitest of natural bodybuilders, as i believe many of the "cheaters" in the WNBF step on stage at that size, which is particularly incredible given your height as even the 200 pounders there tend to be more along the lines of 5'10 or so.
so congratulations, you're bigger than the best natural bodybuilders, including the ones who probably aren't actually natural, and within 10 pounds of contest conditioning to boot.
He's probably more along the lines of 12%.
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He's probably more along the lines of 12%.
Doesn't sound natural.
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Doesn't sound natural.
Which indeed is still very, very good for a drug free guy.
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Dude, I have never even seen my abs and I would bet I DO have the worst genetics of anyone here.
I bet I got you beat in the shitty genetics department,and seeing your abs is a matter of dedication to your diet,has nothing to do with genetics at all.
If a person is natural or clean,he has to train hard and be consistant as well as eat right and never miss a meal,that is taking into account that he wants to look his best and not just decent.
Most don`t do this and then they bitch about it.
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I disagree. I'm 205, 7%bf, at 5' 7". Not over 6' and 250lbs, but enough mass, and lean, no drugs. Most people simply don't have the consistency over time to make great gains for themselves. Genetics help, but to radically change one's physique, is attainable for everyone.
This is true, most people don't have the consistency to make changes, drugs or not.
Genetics make the difference in structure and in some cases ability to gain muscle mass or get ripped. If anyone has seen Jay Cutler's pics after 5 years training - there is no way anyone could look like that after 5 years unless they had freaky genetics no matter what quantity of drugs they took.
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at 5'7, you're claiming that you'd be roughly 199 pounds (just doing some quick arithmetic and using chick's estimate of being 4% bf on stage) in contest conditioning. natural.
i believe, good sir, that this would place you amongst the elitest of natural bodybuilders, as i believe many of the "cheaters" in the WNBF step on stage at that size, which is particularly incredible given your height as even the 200 pounders there tend to be more along the lines of 5'10 or so.
so congratulations, you're bigger than the best natural bodybuilders, including the ones who probably aren't actually natural, and within 10 pounds of contest conditioning to boot.
he admitted he used to take steroids
so he is not natural
end of argument
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I disagree. I'm 205, 7%bf, at 5' 7". Not over 6' and 250lbs, but enough mass, and lean, no drugs. Most people simply don't have the consistency over time to make great gains for themselves. Genetics help, but to radically change one's physique, is attainable for everyone.
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Perhaps Croatch is bitter that when he was juicing his head off, he never saw any good results :-\
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croatch's stats are bullshit.
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croatch's stats are bullshit.
Maybe they were from when he was juicing?
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Maybe they were from when he was juicing?
You have great genetics.
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You have great genetics.
Finally.
I was going to post a pic to remind you. No need now.
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Finally.
I was going to post a pic to remind you. No need now.
No, I already know you are a beast. ;D
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Perhaps Croatch is bitter that when he was juicing his head off, he never saw any good results :-\
Yes this phenomenon is called "Sevastasyndrome"
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Yes this phenomenon is called "Sevastasyndrome"
ohhhhh, sounds serious...
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believe it or not there are people who eat right, train hard and do the right things and make only minimal gains because their genetics don't allow for it....
Discuss....
Yes. ABsolutely.
But how many people have dveloped their natural ability of body to the limit?
Nobody.
So shut up,train hard and diet hard!
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Obviously genetics is the wild card but I still say 90% of how a natural looks is diet.
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After what kind of training have you come to this conclusion Deicide?
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at 5'7, you're claiming that you'd be roughly 199 pounds (just doing some quick arithmetic and using chick's estimate of being 4% bf on stage) in contest conditioning. natural.
i believe, good sir, that this would place you amongst the elitest of natural bodybuilders, as i believe many of the "cheaters" in the WNBF step on stage at that size, which is particularly incredible given your height as even the 200 pounders there tend to be more along the lines of 5'10 or so.
so congratulations, you're bigger than the best natural bodybuilders, including the ones who probably aren't actually natural, and within 10 pounds of contest conditioning to boot.
I don't think Croatch is natural even now. Most likely using "pro-hormones" at the very least which GetItOnNYC supplies him with.
:D
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After what kind of training have you come to this conclusion Deicide?
Ich habe mehr oder weniger alles ausprobiert, aber die Grundsache bleibt die, dass nach etwa 5 Jahren Training man einen gewissen Erwartungshorizont bekommt, der klein oder gross aussehen kann. Ich bin von Natur aus schmal gebaut z.B., daher werde ich nie ein breites Tier werden. Ich sage nur, dass ich keiner bin, der nur die Hanteln anschaut und dann waechst. Ich musste fuer alles kaempfen und das ist ziemlich wenig. Ich bin auch nicht sehr stark. Ich bin erbaermlich, was das Bankdruecken angeht; ich meine, es waere ein Traum, wenn ich 100kg fuer eine Wiederholung schaffen koennte. Natuerlich gibt es negative Faktoren, wie Stress, Umziehen, Arbeit, usw, aber ich ich denke halt, dass ein Mensch mit einer guten Genetik das relativ schnell rausfindet, oder meinst Du das nicht?
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before and after. I was 25 years old... 125 pounds at 5 foot 10. a bone rack. you can only go so far. I'm 180 today.
Nice strip club pic. hahahahahha
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Goudy and Falcon have good genetics.
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I disagree. I'm 205, 7%bf, at 5' 7". Not over 6' and 250lbs, but enough mass, and lean, no drugs. Most people simply don't have the consistency over time to make great gains for themselves. Genetics help, but to radically change one's physique, is attainable for everyone.
hahaaaa u r hilarious man,,,,ur either fat or one of those getbig closet juicers
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Ich habe mehr oder weniger alles ausprobiert, aber die Grundsache bleibt die, dass nach etwa 5 Jahren Training man einen gewissen Erwartungshorizont bekommt, der klein oder gross aussehen kann. Ich bin von Natur aus schmal gebaut z.B., daher werde ich nie ein breites Tier werden. Ich sage nur, dass ich keiner bin, der nur die Hanteln anschaut und dann waechst. Ich musste fuer alles kaempfen und das ist ziemlich wenig. Ich bin auch nicht sehr stark. Ich bin erbaermlich, was das Bankdruecken angeht; ich meine, es waere ein Traum, wenn ich 100kg fuer eine Wiederholung schaffen koennte. Natuerlich gibt es negative Faktoren, wie Stress, Umziehen, Arbeit, usw, aber ich ich denke halt, dass ein Mensch mit einer guten Genetik das relativ schnell rausfindet, oder meinst Du das nicht?
So, so - I see ^^
Am wichtigstens is, dass das Gesamtpacket was gleichschaut... ob du 50 oder 110kg wiegst is eher egal.
Die Sache mit der Kraft is doch bestens - viel schlimmer waer es wenn du z.B.: 140-180kg Bankdruecken schaffst und genauso aussiehst wie immer.
Was hast du fuer wie lang probiert?
Mir is klar, dass 95-97% der Leute net wirklich talentiert sin fuers Bodybuilding, bin da keine Ausnahme.
Ich kenne nur !einen! Typen, von dem ich "weiss", dass er ohne Testosteron und Konsorten sehr gute Ziele erreichte.
Der Einzige.
Is so 181 gross und hat einen Koerperbau wie Cutler... schaut eam auch aehnlich ... is ein Bauer vom Land... Naturviech zu 110%.
Is mittlerweile jetzt auch drauf und stieg von 105 auf 125kg... mit sixpack... god's own people.
Von meinen sehr bescheidenen Knowhow kann ich nur weitergeben...
1) Konsistenz - immer am Ball bleiben... egal wie wenig oder viel du zulegst
2) mehr Gewicht mit gleichguter Form - mehr Muskeln. Ich habe ca. 10 Jahre gepumpt(jedoch mit Scheissdiet) und war koerperlicher Fruehschwimmer ^^ [1]
3) Viel Fett(gut und schlecht), maessig Eiweiss, eher wenig Kohlehydrate
4) Logbuch + Mehrgelenkuebungen
5) Zeit
Du weisst das sicher alles, aber vielleicht is es ja ne schlechte Kombination einiger Ereignisse oder Gewohnheiten, die dir die Resultate vermiest.
[1] drueckte immer 60-70kg auf der Bank. Steigerte mich nie, dachte mir nix dabei. Dann is ein paar mal ein Freund vorbeikommen und das hat mich motiviert - in 4 Wochen war ich bei 90-100kg und nach 2 Monaten haben mich einige dauernd gefragt, ob ich was nehme.
Stell dir jetz net was besonderes vor, aber wesentlich is - der Unterschied is oft im Kopf.
Du erscheinst zu skeptisch und ein wenig negativ - aendere das.
Egal ob du nur 1 oder 10kg mehr Muskeln bekommst, der Erfolg wird dir Recht geben.
Probiers.
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So, so - I see ^^
Am wichtigstens is, dass das Gesamtpacket was gleichschaut... ob du 50 oder 110kg wiegst is eher egal.
Die Sache mit der Kraft is doch bestens - viel schlimmer waer es wenn du z.B.: 140-180kg Bankdruecken schaffst und genauso aussiehst wie immer.
Was hast du fuer wie lang probiert?
Mir is klar, dass 95-97% der Leute net wirklich talentiert sin fuers Bodybuilding, bin da keine Ausnahme.
Ich kenne nur !einen! Typen, von dem ich "weiss", dass er ohne Testosteron und Konsorten sehr gute Ziele erreichte.
Der Einzige.
Is so 181 gross und hat einen Koerperbau wie Cutler... schaut eam auch aehnlich ... is ein Bauer vom Land... Naturviech zu 110%.
Is mittlerweile jetzt auch drauf und stieg von 105 auf 125kg... mit sixpack... god's own people.
Von meinen sehr bescheidenen Knowhow kann ich nur weitergeben...
1) Konsistenz - immer am Ball bleiben... egal wie wenig oder viel du zulegst
2) mehr Gewicht mit gleichguter Form - mehr Muskeln. Ich habe ca. 10 Jahre gepumpt(jedoch mit Scheissdiet) und war koerperlicher Fruehschwimmer ^^ [1]
3) Viel Fett(gut und schlecht), maessig Eiweiss, eher wenig Kohlehydrate
4) Logbuch + Mehrgelenkuebungen
5) Zeit
Du weisst das sicher alles, aber vielleicht is es ja ne schlechte Kombination einiger Ereignisse oder Gewohnheiten, die dir die Resultate vermiest.
[1] drueckte immer 60-70kg auf der Bank. Steigerte mich nie, dachte mir nix dabei. Dann is ein paar mal ein Freund vorbeikommen und das hat mich motiviert - in 4 Wochen war ich bei 90-100kg und nach 2 Monaten haben mich einige dauernd gefragt, ob ich was nehme.
Stell dir jetz net was besonderes vor, aber wesentlich is - der Unterschied is oft im Kopf.
Du erscheinst zu skeptisch und ein wenig negativ - aendere das.
Egal ob du nur 1 oder 10kg mehr Muskeln bekommst, der Erfolg wird dir Recht geben.
Probiers.
Damn you spanish people get pissed!
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no way in hell you are 5'7'' 205 and 7% bodyfat croatch
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no way in hell you are 5'7'' 205 and 7% bodyfat croatch
This thread too. I can post another shot of me @215lbs @10%, if you want. It's not that hard, if you have the right genetics, discipline, and have been training for years.
With no drugs to do it. Exactly why I don't respect so many clowns who boast about their 2 cent bloat steroid gains, it's sad to me. ;)
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This thread too. I can post another shot of me @215lbs @10%, if you want. It's not that hard, if you have the right genetics, discipline, and have been training for years.
With no drugs to do it. Exactly why I don't respect so many clowns who boast about their 2 cent bloat steroid gains, it's sad to me. ;)
post a pic!
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post a pic!
Croatch does video editing and used to post pics nonstop. I"m sure he'll post one shortly.
5'7'' 205 and 7% bodyfat is outstanding, but if you've seen the old clips of him, you know he is a wide guy.
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you guys are clowns if you believe that claim
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Croatch does video editing and used to post pics nonstop. I"m sure he'll post one shortly.
5'7'' 205 and 7% bodyfat is outstanding, but if you've seen the old clips of him, you know he is a wide guy.
i do enjoy his youtube videos...moser maker ruled
im pro croatch
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This thread too. I can post another shot of me @215lbs @10%, if you want. It's not that hard, if you have the right genetics, discipline, and have been training for years.
With no drugs to do it. Exactly why I don't respect so many clowns who boast about their 2 cent bloat steroid gains, it's sad to me. ;)
so you're sticking to your claim to be bigger than champion natural bodybuilders, including the cheaters.
if you're currently at 7%, you should diet down for a few weeks, do a show, pick up a trophy, and establish yourself as one of the best natural bodybuilders of all time.
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so you're sticking to your claim to be bigger than champion natural bodybuilders, including the cheaters.
if you're currently at 7%, you should diet down for a few weeks, do a show, pick up a trophy, and establish yourself as one of the best natural bodybuilders of all time.
Bodybuilding is about illusion. Take a guy with a 28" waist, shredded, low lats, etc...he could weigh 170lbs, but look 10x better.
I have a blocky waist, poor triceps, high lat inserts, calves are too big for quads, etc.
I have zero interest in putting on a thong and oiling myself up. Any time someone comes up to me and says, "You should compete." I say, "Why bother?" haha That's great is you're into, I've never been, aside from lifting. Nor do I think I'd rule the natural bb scene either. Plenty of natural guys who look awesome, that compete.
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you guys are clowns if you believe that claim
Croatch may be semi retarded and a dicks length away from being a midget, but he's a big dude. I believe his claim, props to him. Just lay off busting the juicers balls(whats left of them) ;D
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Damn you spanish people get pissed!
thats not spanish dude...
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Croatch may be semi retarded and a dicks length away from being a midget, but he's a big dude. I believe his claim, props to him. Just lay off busting the juicers balls(whats left of them) ;D
Dude, that had me rolling. A dicks length away from being a midget...haha ;D
Getbig, funnier than any sitcom...other than The Office.
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thats not spanish dude...
Chinese?
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Chinese?
German.
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German.
I know dude just seeing how many people would fall for it and correct me! 2 for 2
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i believe croatch. i saw a youtube of him being in love with himself and his physique looked very strong and powerful. i said to myself ' i think he must train 5x5 or 1/2 sets to failure, very, very heavy.
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I know dude just seeing how many people would fall for it and correct me! 2 for 2
Team Third Reich always at your service!
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I know dude just seeing how many people would fall for it and correct me! 2 for 2
Great Post.... On the money as usual
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Bodybuilding is about illusion. Take a guy with a 28" waist, shredded, low lats, etc...he could weigh 170lbs, but look 10x better.
I have a blocky waist, poor triceps, high lat inserts, calves are too big for quads, etc.
I have zero interest in putting on a thong and oiling myself up. Any time someone comes up to me and says, "You should compete." I say, "Why bother?" haha That's great is you're into, I've never been, aside from lifting. Nor do I think I'd rule the natural bb scene either. Plenty of natural guys who look awesome, that compete.
this has nothing to do with shape or illusion, doofus. the basic rule of thumb is that a natural under six feet tall will almost never (key word being almost) be on stage at 200 pounds. yet, five inches under the six foot mark you claim you could do it.
thus, you're claiming to have genetics in somewhere around the 99.9th percentile.
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Great Post.... On the money as usual
Nice Post... Spot on as Usual
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thus, you're claiming to have genetics in somewhere around the 99.9th percentile.
and a person like that could very well wind up on a bodybuilding board. in fact, its very likely they would.
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this has nothing to do with shape or illusion, doofus. the basic rule of thumb is that a natural under six feet tall will almost never (key word being almost) be on stage at 200 pounds. yet, five inches under the six foot mark you claim you could do it.
thus, you're claiming to have genetics in somewhere around the 99.9th percentile.
Hi GH15.
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Team Third Reich always at your service!
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Verunglimpfung arischer Werte - wir sprechen uns im Fuehrerbunker du Arsch ;D
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They are called naturals...
Next topic......
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the quest for maximum and utlimate mass as a natural is pointless.
naturals can only achieve chiseled and sculpted HEALTHY physiques, nothing else.
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shoot anyone who wants that ay flag?
not everyone can afford let alone be bothered with the extra hassles juice can bring (i'd consider it, but atm no)