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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: technokc on June 21, 2008, 09:40:12 AM
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Okay when I went overseas I got some before I left to take on the plane with me since I have mild asthma and didnt want the hassle of trying to pass my inhaler through security. Now I'm thinking of using them for fat loss since my vacation was pretty rough on my body, no working out, bad food, and beer every day for 2 weeks.
Question: how many mg is suitable and safe for fat loss?
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Anywhere between 25 to 100. Just use what you need. Start at 25 and work your way up week by week. Don't use 100 if 75 works well.
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Anywhere between 25 to 100. Just use what you need. Start at 25 and work your way up week by week. Don't use 100 if 75 works well.
25 a day? Just take it once a day?
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25 a day? Just take it once a day?
right now im taking just once a day one hour pre workout. its my first week using it though, so ina week or so when i feel i need to bump it up then i will go to one in the morning and one post workout.
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25 a day? Just take it once a day?
There's no need to start with a max dose with a product like Bronchaid. At least not IMO.
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Take half of a tab twice a day (one tab total for those that cannot add), and combine that with half a tab 2x daily of caffeine (NoDoz, Stay Awake, or whatever pills your local Rx sells). That's 200mg of caffeine daily, and 25mg of ephedrine daily.
Slowly increase (every other week, or every week) over time. I've been using the stuff for about 2 months now, and always take a day off once a week, and I'll often just take one "full dose" of 200mg Caffeine/ 25mg Ephedrine. Sort of a conscious staggered approach.
I've taken a lot more in the past (up to 400mg of caffeine 2x daily with Rockstars to wash it down), but see no need to currently do so.
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I take 4 a day now. 2 at breakfast and 2 at lunch. Anything more than that just won't do anything IMO. I take it now more for breathing purposes than fat loss(its actual intended purpose).For anyone that gets a stuffy nose from dry areas, this stuff is a God send. I can actually breathe now for the first time in a long time. ;D
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I take 4 a day now. 2 at breakfast and 2 at lunch. Anything more than that just won't do anything IMO. I take it now more for breathing purposes than fat loss(its actual intended purpose).For anyone that gets a stuffy nose from dry areas, this stuff is a God send. I can actually breathe now for the first time in a long time. ;D
this shit is golden for allergies and asthma, probably the best drug avalible.
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this shit is golden for allergies and asthma, probably the best drug avalible.
Yeah thats why I originally bought it for my asthma, figured might as well get the extra benefits from it as well. I'll start off with one a day for now and go from there. Following the directions you could take up to 6 a day! I wonder how many people with asthma are using that amount and wondering why they are losing weight.
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Is this stuff prescription?
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Is this stuff prescription?
nope ! just gotta be 18 and have a valid gov. issue i.d.
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Anyone still dose with asprain? I know asprain is thought to slow muscle gain, but it also (supposedly) keeps the ephedrine active longer in the blood stream. It was a staple of the EC stack when it first became mainstream ("ECA stack"). I definitely made the greatest fat loss when I dosed it this way. I feel the repartitioning effect of the stack midigates any reduced muscle gain from the extra asprain.
I haven't ran it this way in a long time, but I think I will start again. I also drank a lot of grapefruit juice at the time, it was also supposed to keep the stimulant active longer as well. The downside with this regimen is the increase side effects and jitters, at least that is how it seemed at the time.
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nope ! just gotta be 18 and have a valid gov. issue i.d.
its availible in the states? i was online last night looking to buy some vasopro, is that comparable? legal to buy?
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its availible in the states? i was online last night looking to buy some vasopro, is that comparable? legal to buy?
Go to any Walgreens, Longs or CVS (I've only seen it at Walgreens where I'm at) and you can buy it where they keep the inhalers and chapstick type stuff. You pick a 4x5 blue and white card off the shelf and take it to your pharmacist and then they'll ring you up.
http://www.walgreens.com/store/product.jsp?CATID=100092&navAction=jump&navCount=0&skuid=sku352730&id=prod352729
The above is similar, but at half the does. I prefer the Bronkaid though.
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&q=Bronkaid&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title
There is about 40 places to choose from for ya!
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Anyone still dose with asprain? I know asprain is thought to slow muscle gain, but it also (supposedly) keeps the ephedrine active longer in the blood stream. It was a staple of the EC stack when it first became mainstream ("ECA stack"). I definitely made the greatest fat loss when I dosed it this way. I feel the repartitioning effect of the stack midigates any reduced muscle gain from the extra asprain.
I haven't ran it this way in a long time, but I think I will start again. I also drank a lot of grapefruit juice at the time, it was also supposed to keep the stimulant active longer as well. The downside with this regimen is the increase side effects and jitters, at least that is how it seemed at the time.
aspirin is not thought to slow muscle growth. nsaids are (advil tylenol ibuprofn). totally different. aspirin is not included to stop muscle pain.
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Mechanism of effect in weight loss
The effects of the ECA stack in weight loss are primarily due to the ephedrine component. Ephedrine acts both as a beta agonist and stimulates the release of norepinephrine. Increased circulating norepinephrine in the body then acts on white adipose tissue by increasing cAMP levels. This causes a thermogenic effect, raising body temperature and increasing the user's metabolism in conjunction with the rest of the stack.
However, the body's negative feedback system then activates to normalize the metabolism. This is done via the production of phosphodiesterase inside the cells, and prostaglandins outside the cell, which both lower cAMP levels within the cell.
Caffeine inhibits the production of phosphodiesterase inside the cell and therefore slows cAMP breakdown. It also binds with and competitively inhibits adenosine receptors in the brain, triggering the release of epinephrine and increasing cAMP levels further.
Aspirin inhibits prostaglandin production outside of the cells, which, in conjunction with caffeine, greatly prolongs the thermogenic effects and increased metabolism by sustaining elevated cAMP levels.
Ephedrine also has an anorectic, or appetite-suppressing, effect. However, these effects only last for about two weeks if the stack is not cycled, as the body becomes tolerant to ephedrine to some degree.[citation needed] It is estimated that 60%–75% of the weight loss from using the ECA stack comes from the anorectic effect, and the remainder from thermogenesis.
The final component in weight loss of the ECA stack is that of a simple stimulant; the higher epinephrine and norepinephrine levels result in increased aerobic exercise performance and less fatigue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECA_stack
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Go to any Walgreens, Longs or CVS (I've only seen it at Walgreens where I'm at) and you can buy it where they keep the inhalers and chapstick type stuff. You pick a 4x5 blue and white card off the shelf and take it to your pharmacist and then they'll ring you up.
thanks man! and props for mentioning Longs on GetBig! mahalo!
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aspirin is not thought to slow muscle growth. nsaids are (advil tylenol ibuprofn). totally different. aspirin is not included to stop muscle pain.
But asprain is still an NSAID, no?
anyway, not like a diet is a muscle gaining time, so I supose it doesn't matter
"Aspirin was the first-discovered member of the class of drugs known as non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) , not all of which are salicylates, although they all have similar effects and most have some mechanism of action which involves non-selective inhibition of the enzyme cyclooxygenase. Today, aspirin is one of the most widely used medications in the world, with an estimated 40,000 metric tons of it being consumed each year.[5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin
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But asprain is still an NSAID, no?
anyway, not like a diet is a muscle gaining time, so I supose it doesn't matter
"Aspirin was the first-discovered member of the class of drugs known as non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) , not all of which are salicylates, although they all have similar effects and most have some mechanism of action which involves non-selective inhibition of the enzyme cyclooxygenase. Today, aspirin is one of the most widely used medications in the world, with an estimated 40,000 metric tons of it being consumed each year.[5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin
yes it is, one issue i have with all this stim use is adrenal issues wrt constant catecholamine released induced by the ECA, over time your body will down regulate(lower its receptors) and tolerance will occur, pushing it more will lead to adrenal insufficiency which is not a legitamite disorder but is a cluster of real symptoms that involves low cortisol and poor stress management.
i would advise everyone to take some time off of stims and/rotate them in cycling fashions.
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I went to the local drug store and they said bronkaid and similar products now required a perscription. they said it changed two weeks ago. anyone aware of this?
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Where is "local?"
My grocery's pharmacy still had it out OTC not more than 3 days ago. Then again, my town is a little behind the times. ::)
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Where is "local?"
My grocery's pharmacy still had it out OTC not more than 3 days ago. Then again, my town is a little behind the times. ::)
Im in Honolulu, Hawaii right now. are you in the states? i figured if its controlled now then it would be the same everywhere? could i still buy it online?
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Im in Honolulu, Hawaii right now. are you in the states? i figured if its controlled now then it would be the same everywhere? could i still buy it online?
Here you go:
http://www.amazon.com/Bronkaid-Caplets-60/dp/B000FVY4BA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1214868588&sr=8-1
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Bronkaid. LOL. I still get true Ephedrine here, Yellow Bombers. 300mg Caf. and 27mg Eph. open it up and take half in AM and half in PM. Good stuff.. ;)
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Bronkaid. LOL. I still get true Ephedrine here, Yellow Bombers. 300mg Caf. and 27mg Eph. open it up and take half in AM and half in PM. Good stuff.. ;)
You live in a Thirld World shithole?
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ACUTALLY, I live in San Diego. That's in the U.S. for you that didn't finish first grade.
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ACUTALLY, I live in San Diego. That's in the U.S. for you that didn't finish first grade.
thats not ephedrine, thats EPHEDRA.. its an alkaloid extract plant shitty product nothing like bronkaid.
bronkai is nothing to laugh at. its made with pure ephedrine, made by PFIZER. as legit as it comes.
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No it's actually ephedrine, unless they spelled it wrong ;). I get it from a shop owner that stocked the sh1t out of the stuff before it was banned. Charges an arm and a leg, but it's worth it. And no they don't sell it to anyone in the open, just to some of the regular customers upon request.
The owner competes, so made sure to keep plenty on hand for prep.
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No it's actually ephedrine, unless they spelled it wrong ;). I get it from a shop owner that stocked the sh1t out of the stuff before it was banned. Charges an arm and a leg, but it's worth it. And no they don't sell it to anyone in the open, just to some of the regular customers upon request.
The owner competes, so made sure to keep plenty on hand for prep.
i know a guy who competes and owns a supp show and he does the same thing with "yellow bullets" and "lipodrene"... they are not ephedrine though, they are ephedra
go read the ingredient listing and tell me if it says "mua hang"...
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It does not say Mua Hung. And they are not yellow bullets...I know what those are,,they still sell that stuff on the shelves. I mean they sell lipodrene <sp> at 7/11 for pete's sake. :)
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It cracks me up that you are telling me what I have and you can't even see it. The label says ephedrine, not ephedra. Just like the old school hydroxy used to say. I know what I am talking about....I used it back in the day when they suggested 12 pills a day for hydroxy. Then changed it to like 6 or 9.....then made shi!!y caffeine free hydroxy..LoL....who's idea was that. ::)
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okay broski i believe you
bronkaid isnt something to laugh at tho... i guarantee bronkaid +caffiene tabs+ baby aspirin is much much cheaper than your yellow bombers
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prob. but I hate eating all those pills. I had bronkaid for a bit. Has glucofsen or some stuff right.
and you are limited on hoe much Bronkaid you can get at a time...
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yes, true and true.
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Here you go:
http://www.amazon.com/Bronkaid-Caplets-60/dp/B000FVY4BA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1214868588&sr=8-1
Thanks for that!
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prob. but I hate eating all those pills. I had bronkaid for a bit. Has glucofsen or some stuff right.
and you are limited on hoe much Bronkaid you can get at a time...
whats the limitation if i order it online? miss the days of ephedrine..i bought a whole bunch but eventually ran out.
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Im in Honolulu, Hawaii right now. are you in the states? i figured if its controlled now then it would be the same everywhere? could i still buy it online?
Yeah, I live in the eastern United States.
I’ve read in past threads similar stories where some (mostly small/privately owned) pharmacies have delivered the same “pseudo” explanation of such a policy.
It’s a shame our govt. feels the need to crack down with hard core restrictions on cold medicines.
I don’t exactly know what the crack is, but perhaps they are coming down hard(er) on “Mom & Pop” type pharmacies, and/or maybe many of them just don’t care to be bothered with it for whatever reason.
Hard to say.
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Ya it sucks, but its cause people use them to make meth :(
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Ok so i got my order of bronkaid from amazon in the mail last night. i took two pills this morning and an hour later i dont feel anything. whats the deal? would i be better off taking vasopro? i know its the same thing but so far bronkiad hasnt done jack! very dissapointed, ive taken ephedrine before and this is nothing like it. any advice?
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Ok so i got my order of bronkaid from amazon in the mail last night. i took two pills this morning and an hour later i dont feel anything. whats the deal? would i be better off taking vasopro? i know its the same thing but so far bronkiad hasnt done jack! very dissapointed, ive taken ephedrine before and this is nothing like it. any advice?
sucks to be you
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sucks to be you
yes..need..help...
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yes..need..help...
Did you include the caffeine?
Ephedrine has a 3-4 hour half-life, but that does not mean levels are high for the full 3-4 hours. In reality, they will peak early and then begin to decline quickly.
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Did you include the caffeine?
Ephedrine has a 3-4 hour half-life, but that does not mean levels are high for the full 3-4 hours. In reality, they will peak early and then begin to decline quickly.
No i didnt include the caffine directly after. previously when i took ephedrine i didnt need the caffine. so i assumed i didnt need it. i did however have a 20oz of diet pepsi max and two 20oz bottles of diet mt. dew and that helped a little. but the bronk didnt do anything. i guess ill try it with the caffine, although i didnt need it before to get the effects..im gonna purchase some vasopro see if thats any better although i know its the same. thanks Princess.
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Ephedrine has a 3-4 hour half-life...
Prin,
Is that half-life the same for both the sulfate and HCL forms?
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this shit is golden for allergies and asthma, probably the best drug avalible.
Agreed x100.
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Agreed x100.
Sh*t maybe i got a bad batch?!
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Why are you taking it?
Is it for energy or fat burning?
I’ve never gotten much of a “kick” from ephedrine alone – far, far less than caffeine.
The best results for both energy and fat burning that I’ve gotten has always come from at least 100mg caffeine with 25mg ephedrine about 20 min or so before my workout.
Either way, I think you would do well to combine the two as well.
And yes, I've used Bronkaid brand for the last two years and have been happy with the results.
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Why are you taking it?
Is it for energy or fat burning?
I’ve never gotten much of a “kick” from ephedrine alone – far, far less than caffeine.
The best results for both energy and fat burning that I’ve gotten has always come from at least 100mg caffeine with 25mg ephedrine about 20 min or so before my workout.
Either way, I think you would do well to combine the two as well.
And yes, I've used Bronkaid brand for the last two years and have been happy with the results.
im taking it for both actually, mostly to get a kick in the morning and fat loss is secondary i guess. i assumed that two bronkaid would have been the same a two of whatever ephedrine product i was taking previously which was a year ago or so. im gonna try and mix it with some caffine and aspirin tomorrow and see if it makes a difference.
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That’s cool.
I would research a bit more, though, before incorporating the Aspirin.
I don’t know/believe that it is an entirely necessary part of the equation despite the highly popular "ECA stack.”
Aspirin can carry some side effects, although lots of people certainly use it as described above. Just be careful.
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If I am going to bump up to 50mg should I take this all at once or 2 different times. Common sense would tell me 2 different times, but you never know. What do you guys think?
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If I am going to bump up to 50mg should I take this all at once or 2 different times. Common sense would tell me 2 different times, but you never know. What do you guys think?
It has a 6 hour half life, IIRC, so splitting it up (if you are using it for fat burning purposes) is best.
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If I am going to bump up to 50mg should I take this all at once or 2 different times. Common sense would tell me 2 different times, but you never know. What do you guys think?
2 times, but the most insane fat loss ever for me was 3x a day full ECA stack
6 am
12 pm
3 (or 4) pm
Felt like I was living in a David Lynch film though. :-\
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Do you ever get asked what you want it for?
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this is my first time using the ECA stack. Currently i'm running 1 bronkaid 25mg ephedrine sulfate 200mg caff. and a 81mg aspirin. The problem i'm running into is when i pee it does come out as fast, kinda like it's hard to pee but not. Anyone run into this problem before. I have always just ran a good fatburner with ephedra and never had any concerns
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Do you ever get asked what you want it for?
no your good to go dude they dont ask questions, and if they do tell FUCK OFF ;)
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this is my first time using the ECA stack. Currently i'm running 1 bronkaid 25mg ephedrine sulfate 200mg caff. and a 81mg aspirin. The problem i'm running into is when i pee it does come out as fast, kinda like it's hard to pee but not. Anyone run into this problem before. I have always just ran a good fatburner with ephedra and never had any concerns
How much water are you taking in? Maybe everything seems like it's happening slower....
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Do you ever get asked what you want it for?
They have no right to ask you anything – esp. if you’re in compliance.
Don’t draw attention to it. Don’t concoct some bullsh!t about a cough or congestion you can’t get rid of. And don’t start asking questions about it to sound naïve and innocent.
Don’t draw any attention to it.
Just go up to the counter and politely tell the pharmacist you would like to purchase a box of Broncaid. Have your DL and 12 bucks (or whatever) ready. Then, off you go.
Keep your receipt or pencil the purchase date on the box so that you know when you’re eligible to buy more again.
Then stock up before the asshole govt. implements more restrictions.
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Okay when I went overseas I got some before I left to take on the plane with me since I have mild asthma and didnt want the hassle of trying to pass my inhaler through security. Now I'm thinking of using them for fat loss since my vacation was pretty rough on my body, no working out, bad food, and beer every day for 2 weeks.
Question: how many mg is suitable and safe for fat loss?
What is the active component of this? If it is a beta agonist, then it might be worth something for lipolytic effects, although as with all beta agonist the sympathomimetic effects might be dangerous and not worth it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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this is my first time using the ECA stack. Currently i'm running 1 bronkaid 25mg ephedrine sulfate 200mg caff. and a 81mg aspirin. The problem i'm running into is when i pee it does come out as fast, kinda like it's hard to pee but not. Anyone run into this problem before. I have always just ran a good fatburner with ephedra and never had any concerns
Thats your prostate becoming inflamed by the product your using. Lay off for a few days and the prostate will shrink back to normal size
easing the pressure off of the urethra.
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Okay so I ran it a month and it did seem to help alot. Abs starting to come in and I am still hovering around 215, which is suprising, figured I would have to be around 205 for that. Really want to be under 200 by January with a full clean 6 pack, would be the first time since high school football(30 years old right now).
Anyway I quit after 1 box and am now looking to run it again, my fat loss is slowing down. This time I am looking for the full ECA stack, how many mg aspirin should I use?
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Okay so I ran it a month and it did seem to help alot. Abs starting to come in and I am still hovering around 215, which is suprising, figured I would have to be around 205 for that. Really want to be under 200 by January with a full clean 6 pack, would be the first time since high school football(30 years old right now).
Anyway I quit after 1 box and am now looking to run it again, my fat loss is slowing down. This time I am looking for the full ECA stack, how many mg aspirin should I use?
6 ambien, 12 bronkaids, six cups of coffee and 10 aspirin every four hours will cut you up quite nicely. :)
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6 ambien, 12 bronkaids, six cups of coffee and 10 aspirin every four hours will cut you up quite nicely. :)
You sure that is enough? I really want to get SHREDDED. Maybe I should do that stack every 3 hours instead?
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You sure that is enough? I really want to get SHREDDED. Maybe I should do that stack every 3 hours instead?
That would even better. However, you must start NOW.