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I've been following the Georgian-Russian conflict pretty closely. Major wars have broken out over a lot less. Seems like things are just a powder keg over there.
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I don't give Noori's Coast to Coast AM much credence but it was interesting. Putin will not back down. And they will not simply sit back and let us attack Iran without any repercussions. Same thing with China.
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McCain/Palin will ensure things only escalate.
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McCain/Palin will ensure things only escalate.
obama will cut our military back to ensure that when shit does hit the fan we wont be able to do shit about it.
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Yes, we should immediately withdraw all aid and support for Georgia, endorse Russia's position and give them military support, that will calm things down and improve the worlds opinion of America.
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obama will cut our military back to ensure that when shit does hit the fan we wont be able to do shit about it.
I doubt that. Our entire economy right now is being propped up by the MI complex. Its not going anywhere anytime soon unless the democrats want to see rioting in the streets. America spends more on defense than the next 9 countries combined. That will never change unfortunately.
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we have 800+ known bases worldwide.
I think we're in okay shape.
the next biggest country with bases is China: 80 bases.
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we have 800+ known bases worldwide.
I think we're in okay shape.
the next biggest country with bases is China: 80 bases.
has nothing to do with R&DI doubt that. Our entire economy right now is being propped up by the MI complex. Its not going anywhere anytime soon unless the democrats want to see rioting in the streets. America spends more on defense than the next 9 countries combined. That will never change unfortunately.
How is that a bad thing?
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Because, we should give all of our national defense budget to less fortunate countries and to conduct aids research.
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has nothing to do with R&DHow is that a bad thing?
How is that a bad thing? Our country is bankrupt. We will have to be in a constant state of war for our country to survive. Is that what you want for your kids? Your grandkids? A country who's sole existence is propped up by a military industrial complex and empire building? We have plenty of domestic and social problems in America, let alone energy problems that defense spending could be better used for. Why don't we bring all of our troops and ships and what not home put them in the Gulf, Pacific, and Atlantic and let any country including Russia try to do shit to us. Arm our shores, put up the most sophisticated missile defense system the world has ever seen etc. I have no problem with a strong military and protecting America. I have a huge problem with empire building and world hegemony.
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Because, we should give all of our national defense budget to less fortunate countries and to conduct aids research.
No we should strive to reduce the costs of higher education, keep jobs at home, rebuild our public infrastructure, invest in homegrown energy sources etc. Education is the key to a strong country. I have a coworker that is Russian and she has two kids. One is living in Russia right now and the other here. Both in third grade. Her daughter in the U.S. is learning how to multiply, subract, divide, etc. Her Russian counterpart is learning how to do algebra. This is in Russia. What do you think third graders in China and Japan and India are learning? College is becoming out of reach for most Americans. What does that say about our country? All the other bullshit aside..........if we can't affordably educate the masses there is no hope for any country no matter how fucking strong our military is. But that's exactly how the elite want us, dumbed down and gobbling up People magazine and American idol and Apple Iphones.
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How is that a bad thing? Our country is bankrupt. We will have to be in a constant state of war for our country to survive. Is that what you want for your kids? Your grandkids? A country who's sole existence is propped up by a military industrial complex and empire building? We have plenty of domestic and social problems in America, let alone energy problems that defense spending could be better used for. Why don't we bring all of our troops and ships and what not home put them in the Gulf, Pacific, and Atlantic and let any country including Russia try to do shit to us. Arm our shores, put up the most sophisticated missile defense system the world has ever seen etc. I have no problem with a strong military and protecting America. I have a huge problem with empire building and world hegemony.
LOL same could be said for well fair and the health care system...
The problem is that we have assets and allies over seas and you cant just let them go undefended. When an allie gets in shit you lend a hand, when your assets are threatned you defend them. Leaving all out military of our coast would open allies and assets up to attacks
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Who else here would be interested to see a China vs. Russia throwdown?
Conventional only, of course.
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No we should strive to reduce the costs of higher education, keep jobs at home, rebuild our public infrastructure, invest in homegrown energy sources etc. Education is the key to a strong country. I have a coworker that is Russian and she has two kids. One is living in Russia right now and the other here. Both in third grade. Her daughter in the U.S. is learning how to multiply, subract, divide, etc. Her Russian counterpart is learning how to do algebra. This is in Russia. What do you think third graders in China and Japan and India are learning? College is becoming out of reach for most Americans. What does that say about our country? All the other bullshit aside..........if we can't affordably educate the masses there is no hope for any country no matter how fucking strong our military is. But that's exactly how the elite want us, dumbed down and gobbling up People magazine and American idol and Apple Iphones.
cry me a fuking river i took out student loans to put myself through college and so can the next person, college isnt out of reach its hard and takes alot of time and energy and work thats why the kids today dont want to partake as much. The society has glamorized the shit stains of the country and not the ppl who should get the credit.
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M+M you are 100% correct. America is bankrupt and the only way for our economy to survive is by going to war. We should close all our military bases around the world, send home all our troops and spend our military budget on social justice and reform programs such as needle exchange programs, soup kitchens and free financial assistance seminars for those who live under the poverty line. In addition, all colleges and Universities should be manditorily free for everyone, as should healthcare, housing, clothing, food and property. All the victims of foreclosure should not only have their loans forgiven, but should be compensated directly from the coffers of our military budget. We need to shut down American industries that pollute the enviorment and make a move toward enviormentally friendly/ green energy policies. This wont prove to be expensive because we will simply take the money from our military budget.
We should only have a standing army on our shores, along with an electric titanium fence with a dome similar to what many baseball stadium have and a missle defense system with a super-computer that uses telepathy to determine if anyone will attack us at any given time.
We need to mobilize this movement and let the candidates know at the polls, that this is what we want, and we want it in NOVEMBER!
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LOL same could be said for well fair and the health care system...
The problem is that we have assets and allies over seas and you cant just let them go undefended. When an allie gets in shit you lend a hand, when your assets are threatned you defend them. Leaving all out military of our coast would open allies and assets up to attacks
Of course. This is not something that would happen over night because it's not something that was put in place over night. It took 50+ years to get in the mess we are in and it will probably take that long to get out of it. But if we can't even get the dialogue going and someone in the Presidency that will actually change course we are all headed for disaster. I mean do you realize that we are on the verge of economic collapse? Real, long term, and severe economic collapse in this country and around the world? Fannie and Freddie have just been taken over by the government so the mortgage banks and China can keep getting paid while our government basically gives a big fuck you to its citizens. Is that capitalism? Is that good government? Profits before people? Fuck our allies. It's time we quit worrying about and protecting everyone else and about time we start taking care of our own country. The only reason we have "allies" around the world is to extract what we think we need from them. To keep the American consumer consuming and in debt. The value of the dollar has dropped 50%. That's a 50% tax levied against you and me in the form of inflation and all you can do is talk about propping up an already bloated and corrupt foreign policy. LOL. Go vote for McCain and soon you'll need a wheel barrow full of dollars to buy a loaf of bread.
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Obama can do all that, AND provide every american with a puppy.
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cry me a fuking river i took out student loans to put myself through college and so can the next person, college isnt out of reach its hard and takes alot of time and energy and work thats why the kids today dont want to partake as much. The society has glamorized the shit stains of the country and not the ppl who should get the credit.
So did I. And your kids will have to take out twice as many student loans to put themselves through college. Unless you end up making lots of money you know what the chances are of you actually paying off your mortgage like our grandparents were able to do? You know what the chances of you actually being able to retire at 55 like our grandparents did? America has prided itself on giving future generations more opportunities and yes a better standard of living than prior ones. Is that a problem for you? Do you not want your kids to have it better than you did? Do you want them to have to struggle more than you? Have less opportunity and be indentured servants their entire existence? Haha......but you're probably one of those guys that is going to make a million bucks right? I mean hell isn't that what everyone should strive for in America?????? Let's all go into debt and bet the farm that we'll be ok cause we'll all be millionaires some day?
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So did I. And your kids will have to take out twice as many student loans to put themselves through college. Unless you end up making lots of money you know what the chances are of you actually paying off your mortgage like our grandparents were able to do? You know what the chances of you actually being able to retire at 55 like our grandparents did? America has prided itself on giving future generations more opportunities and yes a better standard of living than prior ones. Is that a problem for you? Do you not want your kids to have it better than you did? Do you want them to have to struggle more than you? Have less opportunity and be indentured servants their entire existence? Haha......but you're probably one of those guys that is going to make a million bucks right? I mean hell isn't that what everyone should strive for in America?????? Let's all go into debt and bet the farm that we'll be ok cause we'll all be millionaires some day?
again this to me is more of a cultrue thing than business, its called living within your means. Todays youth have no idea what that concept even is they dig themselves in debt and see no problem with it. A person who lived within their means would be able to retire earlier than most. I wont be a millionaire unless i hit the lotto, but that doesnt mean i have to be buried in debt either.
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again this to me is more of a cultrue thing than business, its called living within your means. Todays youth have no idea what that concept even is they dig themselves in debt and see no problem with it. A person who lived within their means would be able to retire earlier than most. I wont be a millionaire unless i hit the lotto, but that doesnt mean i have to be buried in debt either.
Dude if every American lived within their means our country and the world economy would grind to a damn halt. Don't you see your own hypocrisy? It's like my father in law. The guy is a multimillionaire. One of the hardest working yet frugal people I've ever known. But you know what he made a majority of his money in the stock market. If everyone was like him, i.e. no one spent anything and saved everything there wouldn't even be a stock market to invest in. America's debt ridden society keeps the entire world financial system afloat. 4% of the population consuming 25% of the worlds resources and every other developing country striving to emulate us? You don't see what's wrong with that picture? Didn't you say you are college educated!!!!!!?
CONSUMPTION + DEBT = BUSINESS
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again this to me is more of a cultrue thing than business, its called living within your means. Todays youth have no idea what that concept even is they dig themselves in debt and see no problem with it. A person who lived within their means would be able to retire earlier than most. I wont be a millionaire unless i hit the lotto, but that doesnt mean i have to be buried in debt either.
What area of the country to you live in? How old are you? How much money do you make a year? Do you live in a house/have a mortgage? Or do you rent? Do you own your car or do you have a car payment? What is living within your means? Do you invest in the stock market? Do you have stock in Sprint or any other major carrier? If so what would happen if everyone got rid of all their cellphones? 99% of people don't NEED a cell phone. Do you have a cell phone? See my point?
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Obama can do all that, AND provide every american with a puppy.
Hold it, he's still going to wash my car right?
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Dude if every American lived within their means our country and the world economy would grind to a damn halt. Don't you see your own hypocrisy? It's like my father in law. The guy is a multimillionaire. One of the hardest working yet frugal people I've ever known. But you know what he made a majority of his money in the stock market. If everyone was like him, i.e. no one spent anything and saved everything there wouldn't even be a stock market to invest in. America's debt ridden society keeps the entire world financial system afloat. 4% of the population consuming 25% of the worlds resources and every other developing country striving to emulate us? You don't see what's wrong with that picture? Didn't you say you are college educated!!!!!!?
CONSUMPTION + DEBT = BUSINESS
there is a difference between going into debt with the ability to pay it off down the road and going into debt without the abiliity of getting out which is what ppl do these days. Debt is not bad and is necessary but being able to pay off the debt is the key and what i was referring to in living within your means.
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there is a difference between going into debt with the ability to pay it off down the road and going into debt without the abiliity of getting out which is what ppl do these days. Debt is not bad and is necessary but being able to pay off the debt is the key and what i was referring to in living within your means.
Ok so let's take the average middle class white boy. Parents both earn what?? Isn't like $35K considered middle class in America? Let's say white boy has a total household income of $70K. According to FAFSA a middle class family should be able to put their son or daughter through 4 years of college with minimal student loans. Hell I had to get a private loan through citibank because the money I was eligible for through the government was ridiculously low. Anyways, so the average 4 year college costs about what? $20K a year including housing, tuition, books, etc? Let's say $15K/year. Thats 4 years of college for $60K. How many college graduates will get out making $60K a year? How long will it take to pay back that type of loan at 4-5% interest? Now the graduating student who sacrificed through college needs to buy a car. Maybe something that's not a total junker and possibly reliable? To get to his shitty ass $10/hr service job while he lands that big gig he thought a college degree was worth. Maybe a Honda Accord for $200/month? What about housing? A measly 1 one bedroom apartment in a decent neighborhood is atleast $1k a month. Do you think a college graduate just might deserve a nice new bed to sleep on? Maybe he slept on a twin bed his whole life and figure graduating college he just might deserve atleast a brand new full bed? Maybe he has to furnish an apartment with some dishes, plates and shit to eat off of? Or should he live within his means eating off paper plates and dixie cups? How is a college grad supposed to afford the basics in American society making $35K a year? Or even the cost of his education let's say $60K a year? Fuck bro this isn't even taking into account inflation which is a never ending battle and wages haven't kept up with inflation for decades.
How is a new grad supposed to come up with a measly deposit in a half way decent apartment? First and last months rent? Or should all college graduates still live with roomates because that's "living within their means"? And look what this situation does to society. It makes men and women reliant on each other. Men can't afford to live independently on their own. You know how many people shack up together because of finanical security?
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Ok so let's take the average middle class white boy. Parents both earn what?? Isn't like $35K considered middle class in America? Let's say white boy has a total household income of $70K. According to FAFSA a middle class family should be able to put their son or daughter through 4 years of college with minimal student loans. Hell I had to get a private loan through citibank because the money I was eligible for through the government was ridiculously low. Anyways, so the average 4 year college costs about what? $20K a year including housing, tuition, books, etc? Let's say $15K/year. Thats 4 years of college for $60K. How many college graduates will get out making $60K a year? How long will it take to pay back that type of loan at 4-5% interest? Now the graduating student who sacrificed through college needs to buy a car. Maybe something that's not a total junker and possibly reliable? To get to his shitty ass $10/hr service job while he lands that big gig he thought a college degree was worth. Maybe a Honda Accord for $200/month? What about housing? A measly 1 one bedroom apartment in a decent neighborhood is atleast $1k a month. Do you think a college graduate just might deserve a nice new bed to sleep on? Maybe he slept on a twin bed his whole life and figure graduating college he just might deserve atleast a brand new full bed? Maybe he has to furnish an apartment with some dishes, plates and shit to eat off of? Or should he live within his means eating off paper plates and dixie cups? How is a college grad supposed to afford the basics in American society making $35K a year? Or even the cost of his education let's say $60K a year? Fuck bro this isn't even taking into account inflation which is a never ending battle and wages haven't kept up with inflation for decades.
How is a new grad supposed to come up with a measly deposit in a half way decent apartment? First and last months rent? Or should all college graduates still live with roomates because that's "living within their means"? And look what this situation does to society. It makes men and women reliant on each other. Men can't afford to live independently on their own. You know how many people shack up together because of finanical security?
plz condense that i come on here to relax and chat not to read novels man
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plz condense that i come on here to relax and chat not to read novels man
Yeah sorry I forgot this is getbig.
How is a college grad with $40-$50K in student loans who gets out making $35-40$K (average salary for a college grad) supposed to afford to live on his own?
Apartment with first and last months rent or a hefty deposit
car
work clothes
food
furnishings to live on his own i.e. bed, plates, knives, spoons, maybe a telephone
car insurance
health insurance
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Yeah sorry I forgot this is getbig.
How is a college grad with $40-$50K in student loans who gets out making $35-40$K (average salary for a college grad) supposed to afford to live on his own?
Apartment with first and last months rent or a hefty deposit
car
work clothes
food
furnishings to live on his own i.e. bed, plates, knives, spoons, maybe a telephone
car insurance
health insurance
Thank you sir
Very possible, first though lets address the 40-50k in college loans depending on how many years they where in these ppl must not have been working during college? If the do have 40-50k in loans then chances are they werent living with parents anyway.
I think it is very possible, of course you arent living in the lap of luxury and your not going out every week but shit sacrifices have to be made. You will make do with what you have if you really want to, maybe you have to sale that 30k car and buy a hyundai or kia etc...but you can make do.
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Thank you sir
Very possible, first though lets address the 40-50k in college loans depending on how many years they where in these ppl must not have been working during college? If the do have 40-50k in loans then chances are they werent living with parents anyway.
I think it is very possible, of course you arent living in the lap of luxury and your not going out every week but shit sacrifices have to be made. You will make do with what you have if you really want to, maybe you have to sale that 30k car and buy a hyundai or kia etc...but you can make do.
So your saying college kids should live with their parents? LOL. Did you live with your parents. When my kids are 18 year are out of my house and either work, college, or military. That's how it should be. That how I was raised. None of this living with your parents bullshit while in college. That's the whole point of college, to make young people independent and self reliant. That's the whole problem with college nowadays.......they turn kids into reliant, needy, indebted consumers.
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Hold it, he's still going to wash my car right?
Why yes, and with environmentally friendly organic biodegradible car wash too.
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plz condense that i come on here to relax and chat not to read novels man
yea, Tony runs this place. Don't be typing out long ass posts. This place is for sarcastic 3 lines or less 90 IQ style of posting. Tony... Why don't you fucking start a thread in complaints to have me replaced. Clearly your retarded jackass dipshit ways are much more suited to modding this forum. I support Either Tony or Youandme to replace me as mod. We can get this place officially and fully inline with the owned or stoned crowed who have taken full control of getbig. I Know BB will love it.
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Hey mm have u ever traveled to Eastern Europe or ever been outside the US besides vacation. Russia is a shithole run by the Mob and petro dollars. Their military is third rate, regardless of size. There are very few opportunities to advance regardless of education, unless u pack up and move West.
As for our education etc....look its not my job to make sure eveybody gets an education. We need ditch diggers as well. To many people are in college as it is. Why do I care if some kid can't afford an apartment or a Honda. Most "poor" Americans have no idea what poor is. Travel overseas...those people can't even afford dirt. And guess what, unless u work ur ass off u arn't entitled to shit here. If u want a socialist utopia move!
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Hey mm have u ever traveled to Eastern Europe or ever been outside the US besides vacation. Russia is a shithole run by the Mob and petro dollars. Their military is third rate, regardless of size. There are very few opportunities to advance regardless of education, unless u pack up and move West.
As for our education etc....look its not my job to make sure eveybody gets an education. We need ditch diggers as well. To many people are in college as it is. Why do I care if some kid can't afford an apartment or a Honda. Most "poor" Americans have no idea what poor is. Travel overseas...those people can't even afford dirt. And guess what, unless u work ur ass off u arn't entitled to shit here. If u want a socialist utopia move!
Quoted for truth by HH6.
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Hey Hereford..were u or are u Marine?
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I am not.
I was all but signed up, then got into my first choice college on a football ride.
Did ROTC for awhile but had to drop (I was owned by the Uni)
Always regretted missing out tho....
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Its ur avatar...the latin is the motto of the 3rd MARDIV
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Its ur avatar...the latin is the motto of the 3rd MARDIV
That's where I got it from.
Had family in WW2 that were assigned.
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Good to go.......its fairly obsecure as the Corps has 1 motto etc.
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What unit are you with, If I may ask?
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I was with the 2nd Mar Div a long time ago before college and now I'm in the Army. I'm with the guys who developed the "Surge" etc....we're a group that evaluates units headed to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Hey mm have u ever traveled to Eastern Europe or ever been outside the US besides vacation. Russia is a shithole run by the Mob and petro dollars. Their military is third rate, regardless of size. There are very few opportunities to advance regardless of education, unless u pack up and move West.
As for our education etc....look its not my job to make sure eveybody gets an education. We need ditch diggers as well. To many people are in college as it is. Why do I care if some kid can't afford an apartment or a Honda. Most "poor" Americans have no idea what poor is. Travel overseas...those people can't even afford dirt. And guess what, unless u work ur ass off u arn't entitled to shit here. If u want a socialist utopia move!
For someone who's supposedly traveled abroad you have no idea how ignorant you actually come off. You think everyone wants to move to America because there is so much opportunity here? Haha you are clueless. Maybe 20-30 years ago. But these days there is opportunity all over the world. And you call me the socialist? You'd probably love to see America divided into the rich and the poor. All the ditch diggers you could ever want and all the good ol boys you could ever imagine to go off and fight your endless wars.
Haha Hereford you should really shut your mouth..........someone who puts football before his country..........a true American! ;D
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I'm fairly confident that Bob Barr's position on foreign policy could solve this problem.
Bob Barr on Abortion
Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted YES on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Bob Barr on Budget & Economy
Earmarks are an outrageous abuse by Congressmen to buy votes. (Apr 2008)
Remove both earmarks and cut the underlying spending. (Apr 2008)
Allow $3 on 1040 form to pay off National Debt. (Sep 2000)
Supports balanced budget amendment & line item veto. (Sep 1994)
Bob Barr on Civil Rights
Criticizes efforts to restrict rights of homosexuals. (Jun 2008)
Applying habeas in Guantanamo reaffirms fundamental liberty. (Jun 2008)
Authored Defense of Marriage Act. (May 2008)
Threats to liberty in post-9/11 world require libertarianism. (May 2008)
The Nanny State is getting increasingly intrusive. (Apr 2008)
Took post with ACLU based on fundamental common interests. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
Sponsored bill for "Privacy Impact Statement" on new rules. (Apr 2002)
Bob Barr on Corporations
Eliminate billions in corporate welfare. (Apr 2008)
Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Bob Barr on Crime
Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on maintaining right of habeas corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
More prisons, more enforcement, effective death penalty. (Sep 1994)
Bob Barr on Drugs
Favors the legalization of marijuana for medical purposes. (Jun 2008)
No national nannies: leave smokers alone. (Jun 2008)
In Congress, a strong supporter of the War on Drugs. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Ban federal funding for needle-exchange programs. (Mar 1999)
Bob Barr on Education
Don't let California home schooling ban spread. (Apr 2008)
Voted YES on requiring states to test students. (May 2001)
Voted YES on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)
Let schools display the words "God Bless America". (Oct 2001)
Supports requiring schools to allow prayer. (Jan 2001)
Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)
Bob Barr on Energy & Oil
Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)
Bob Barr on Environment
Human beings are more important than mussels. (Dec 2007)
Bob Barr on Families & Children
Voted YES on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Member of the Missing & Exploited Children's Caucus. (Jan 2001)
Use tax code to reinforce families. (Sep 1994)
Bob Barr on Foreign Policy
Neocon aggression opens can of worms: others will do same. (Dec 2003)
Voted NO on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
Voted YES on withholding $244M in UN Back Payments until US seat restored. (May 2001)
Voted NO on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
Voted NO on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)
Bob Barr on Free Trade
Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)
Bob Barr on Government Reform
Voted YES on banning soft money donations to national political parties. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999)
Restrict campaign donations from foreigners or 3rd parties. (May 1999)
Limit punitive damages; term limits on Congress. (Sep 1994)
Government is too big, too intrusive, too easy with money. (Sep 1994)
Bob Barr on Gun Control
Voted YES on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Sponsored bill banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jan 2001)
Bob Barr on Health Care
Voted YES on allowing suing HMOs, but under federal rules & limited award. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on subsidizing private insurance for Medicare Rx drug coverage. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on establishing tax-exempt Medical Savings Accounts. (Oct 1999)
Collect data on birth defects and present to the public. (Apr 1998)
Bob Barr on Homeland Security
Restore habeas corpus and protect citizens from government. (Apr 2008)
Restore military to defense; commit to non-intervention. (Apr 2008)
Real ID Act is Big Government at its worst. (Jan 2008)
Real ID Act is Big Government at its worst. (Jan 2008)
Loud Congressional critic of government's abuses of power. (Dec 2003)
Regrets voting for the USA PATRIOT Act. (Dec 2003)
Matrix system and TIA are privacy-invasive programs. (Dec 2003)
Military tribunals ok, if monitored & defined. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
Sponsored bill allowing assassination of terrorist leaders. (Jan 2001)
No US troops under UN command; more defense spending. (Sep 1994)
Bob Barr on Immigration
Be aggressive in securing our borders. (Apr 2008)
Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
Sponsored bill declaring English the US' official language. (Jan 1999)
Bob Barr on Jobs
Voted NO on $167B over 10 years for farm price supports. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on zero-funding OSHA's Ergonomics Rules instead of $4.5B. (Mar 2001)
Incentives to businesses create jobs & raise wages. (Sep 1994)
Bob Barr on Principles & Values
Seeks Ron Paul's supporters based on libertarian message. (Jun 2008)
On ballot in 48 states; working on last two. (Jun 2008)
Libertarian nominee hopes to be on ballot in all 50 states. (May 2008)
McCain is big-government; I am small-government. (May 2008)
Expects votes to come from those who would sit out election. (May 2008)
Rejects "spolier" label; expects to win electoral votes. (May 2008)
Served as US Attorney and as a CIA official. (Apr 2008)
Announces for president: time for principle over complacency. (Apr 2008)
Religious affiliation: Methodist. (Nov 2000)
Contract with America: 10 bills in 1st 100 days of Congress. (Sep 1994)
Bob Barr on Social Security
Voted YES on raising 401(k) limits & making pension plans more portable. (May 2001)
Voted YES on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on strengthening the Social Security Lockbox. (May 1999)
Create personal retirement accounts within Social Security. (Jul 2000)
Reduce taxes on Social Security earnings. (Sep 1994)
Bob Barr on Tax Reform
New tax revolt: both reduce and simplify taxes. (Jun 2008)
Lower taxes by dramatically cutting back size of government. (May 2008)
The FairTax replaces the IRS plus payroll taxes. (Apr 2008)
Repeal the 16th amendment & eliminate the income tax. (Apr 2008)
Voted YES on $99 B economic stimulus: capital gains & income tax cuts. (Oct 2001)
Voted YES on Tax cut package of $958 B over 10 years. (May 2001)
Voted YES on eliminating the Estate Tax ("death tax"). (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on eliminating the "marriage penalty". (Jul 2000)
Voted YES on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000)
Reduce the capital gains tax . (Jan 2001)
Phaseout the death tax. (Mar 2001)
Repeal marriage tax; cut middle class taxes. (Sep 1994)
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For someone who's supposedly traveled abroad you have no idea how ignorant you actually come off. You think everyone wants to move to America because there is so much opportunity here? Haha you are clueless. Maybe 20-30 years ago. But these days there is opportunity all over the world. And you call me the socialist? You'd probably love to see America divided into the rich and the poor. All the ditch diggers you could ever want and all the good ol boys you could ever imagine to go off and fight your endless wars.
Haha Hereford you should really shut your mouth..........someone who puts football before his country..........a true American! ;D
MM what branch did you serve in?
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So your saying college kids should live with their parents? LOL. Did you live with your parents. When my kids are 18 year are out of my house and either work, college, or military. That's how it should be. That how I was raised. None of this living with your parents bullshit while in college. That's the whole point of college, to make young people independent and self reliant. That's the whole problem with college nowadays.......they turn kids into reliant, needy, indebted consumers.
sorry i went and watched the football games I did for two years of college and I agree but my point stands and that is you live within your means and you will be fine. Its not the system that is totally fucked although there are problems its the people within the system.
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yea, Tony runs this place. Don't be typing out long ass posts. This place is for sarcastic 3 lines or less 90 IQ style of posting. Tony... Why don't you fucking start a thread in complaints to have me replaced. Clearly your retarded jackass dipshit ways are much more suited to modding this forum. I support Either Tony or Youandme to replace me as mod. We can get this place officially and fully inline with the owned or stoned crowed who have taken full control of getbig. I Know BB will love it.
Bite your fucking tongue boy ::)
dont be mad at me for your shortcomings
It was an innocent request with no animosity behind it and MM doesnt seem like he took offense to it at all so STFU and mind your own business...STALKER
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For someone who's supposedly traveled abroad you have no idea how ignorant you actually come off. You think everyone wants to move to America because there is so much opportunity here? Haha you are clueless. Maybe 20-30 years ago. But these days there is opportunity all over the world. And you call me the socialist? You'd probably love to see America divided into the rich and the poor. All the ditch diggers you could ever want and all the good ol boys you could ever imagine to go off and fight your endless wars.
Haha Hereford you should really shut your mouth..........someone who puts football before his country..........a true American! ;D
Again where have u traveled to exactly....I said West dipshit West...did I say America. I don't want them all coming here. We have enough. My endless war....dude do u have the Lib douchbag playbook open as u type. All we get from u are worthless garbage posts on how America keeps everybody down aqnd how we have to help each other. If u don't work hard here u get stepped on....
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Not to mention all the gloom and doom bullshit. I'm sorry i don't see bread lines anywhere...
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sorry i went and watched the football games I did for two years of college and I agree but my point stands and that is you live within your means and you will be fine. Its not the system that is totally fucked although there are problems its the people within the system.
I probably agree with you 90%. I think, however, we the responsible, through government and law, must occasionally protect people from themselves.
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To an extent.....flesh that out.
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To an extent.....flesh that out.
That's the debate isn't?
How much does the government need to be involved?
I say as little as possible.
The problem is at what point do they need to get involved to stop the suffering? And it what areas? As far as home loans..... Are they bailing out the mortgage companies because there are no others to take their place if they go under? As far as the people who got the loans..... they shouldn't be bailed out IMO. Maybe helped. But not bailed out.
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Maybe u get them more time...but if I can't afford the new loan payment today...what makes it better 3 months from now and then if I get bailed out...why won't i try again ina few years. Whats bullshit is that normal people who make decent money and have no issues will have a harder time getting loans because of this. I move all the time and will be buying another house in the next 2-3 years or sooner. I have actually used an arm because I get more house in a better neighborhood and then move way before the rate goes up. But if u can barely afford an arm and then have zero way to pay for the adjusted rate, u have no right nor business owning a home.
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Maybe u get them more time...but if I can't afford the new loan payment today...what makes it better 3 months from now and then if I get bailed out...why won't i try again ina few years. Whats bullshit is that normal people who make decent money and have no issues will have a harder time getting loans because of this. I move all the time and will be buying another house in the next 2-3 years or sooner. I have actually used an arm because I get more house in a better neighborhood and then move way before the rate goes up. But if u can barely afford an arm and then have zero way to pay for the adjusted rate, u have no right nor business owning a home.
Agreed.
Maybe they don't need to get bailed other than exception from any credit damage.
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Most of the people who are losing their homes today bought with an ARM, thinking they were going to flip the house for big money when it came time for the payments to go up. Now they are stuck.
Hell, I know several people who bought on 'interest-only' loans.
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Yeah..again those work if u move alot. Or u flip houses. Like u mentioned, way to many people got into flipping. People still think their houses are worth much more then they are.
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we have 800+ known bases worldwide.
I think we're in okay shape.
the next biggest country with bases is China: 80 bases.
Barbarians at the Gates.
History allways repeats itself. The roman empire was spread across all europe, middle east and even asian. Yet a bunch of half drunk barbarians from the north with laughable technologies destroyed Rome.
In the late 1800's Germans were only known to be performing clowns and comedians. Things slightly changed after 1914.
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Germany invaded France in 1870 and occupied paris, I think they were more then clowns. Rome had almost no standing army with very little experience. We have a moderately sized force with more experience then most armies and 3 times the tech advantage. The Chinese, while a massive force have serious drawbacks when it comes to leadership and experience. They have some advanced tech but its not intergrated like ours is....Look at the Russian/Georgian conflict....huge problems for Russia even as they smoked the Georgians.
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Not to mention all the gloom and doom bullshit. I'm sorry i don't see bread lines anywhere...
They are no longer called bread lines.
They are now soup kitchens and free school breakfasts and lunches for some school aged children.
Sandra
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I did a couple training exercises with the Russians in Poland a couple years ago. They are not very impressive, their officers are insane and the soldiers are all consripts who in general don't want to be there. We actually had to leave extra guards by our equipment because the Russians kept coming over to steal it. I think some of you guys have watched "Red Dawn" to many times. This is the same military that has half their fleet rusting in port, selling submarines on the black market and most likely pilots flying while intoxicated.
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Thanks.......pretty much sums it up. They had to carefully preposition the forces used in the "surprise" Georgian invasion of S.Ossetia. It took them days to take out targets that would take us a single sortie or drone flyby.
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Thanks.......pretty much sums it up. They had to carefully preposition the forces used in the "surprise" Georgian invasion of S.Ossetia. It took them days to take out targets that would take us a single sortie or drone flyby.
Haha. Then why doesn't the U.S. actually do something about Russia and Iran? We don't do shit. We haven't fought a real enemy since WWII. With all our expensive ass bombs and billion dollar planes we can't even find a terrorist hiding in a cave. The most sophisticated homeland defense system in the world and we couldn't stop a couple of commercial planes from flying into a building. We lost the Korean War, we lost the Vietnam war, we are losing the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Oh boo hoo your hands are tied because of the politicians and lawyers right? Bullshit! America fights its wars through other countries and proxy governments. We've turned into big old pussies and have let countries like China tell us when to jump and how high while we parade around the world puffing up our chest not doing shit. The War on Terror? Haha what a joke! We haven't attacked Iran yet because we all know it would create a shit storm for us. Instead of bombing the shit out of North Korea we keep swallowing their bullshit lies and deceit. Our country can't even police its own fucking borders or atleast it doesn't give a fuck about protecting its own citizens right here on our own soil. We leave our border security up to the Mexican Army. Americans are sick of wars and their government lying to them.
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I did a couple training exercises with the Russians in Poland a couple years ago. They are not very impressive, their officers are insane and the soldiers are all consripts who in general don't want to be there. We actually had to leave extra guards by our equipment because the Russians kept coming over to steal it. I think some of you guys have watched "Red Dawn" to many times. This is the same military that has half their fleet rusting in port, selling submarines on the black market and most likely pilots flying while intoxicated.
And what do you think is happening to the U.S. military numbnuts? They are recruiting Mexicans promising them citizenship, they have been excusing felons for years and letting hardened criminals into the military, high school dropouts etc. Plus a huge role of military reliance in Iraq consists of paid mercenaries i.e. Blackwater, yet you are talking about Russia's army as a bunch of conscripts? LOL Ironic!
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Muscle your absolutely right. The below post is totally consistent with your prior ones advocating we cut or defense budget, stop engaing in foreign conflicts and effectively move all of our foreign military bases and personel home- We haven't attacked Iran yet because we all know it would create a shit storm for us. Instead of bombing the shit out of North Korea we keep swallowing their bullshit lies and deceit
Please keep us updated for further brilliant decrees on miltary spending and foreign policy.
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My Guard unit was from Chicago so we had immigrants in my unit not illegal like your trying to imply. We had some polish, mexican and asian guys they all volunteered. Never met a "hardened criminal in the military". Just because you sign up doesn't mean your automatically in the Army. You have to go to basic training and that takes a certain amount of heart and dedication. So if a guy got caught smoking week when he was 17 or has a DUI I don't see why he can't serve in the US military.
Unfortunatly guys like you who have never served really have no idea what your talking about. For the record we would mop the floor with the russian army.
Its funny after 911 how much everyone supported the military when all you pillow biters where wetting your pants wondering if the world was going to end.
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My Guard unit was from Chicago so we had immigrants in my unit not illegal like your trying to imply. We had some polish, mexican and asian guys they all volunteered. Never met a "hardened criminal in the military". Just because you sign up doesn't mean your automatically in the Army. You have to go to basic training and that takes a certain amount of heart and dedication. So if a guy got caught smoking week when he was 17 or has a DUI I don't see why he can't serve in the US military.
Unfortunatly guys like you who have never served really have no idea what your talking about. For the record we would mop the floor with the russian army.
Its funny after 911 how much everyone supported the military when all you pillow biters where wetting your pants wondering if the world was going to end.
Hahahaha!!!
Thats awesome, so true... so true.
Now people like MM think they are in-the-know about things.
Classic.
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It amazes me how much people think they know about something just because they "googled it".
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My Guard unit was from Chicago so we had immigrants in my unit not illegal like your trying to imply. We had some polish, mexican and asian guys they all volunteered. Never met a "hardened criminal in the military". Just because you sign up doesn't mean your automatically in the Army. You have to go to basic training and that takes a certain amount of heart and dedication. So if a guy got caught smoking week when he was 17 or has a DUI I don't see why he can't serve in the US military.
Unfortunatly guys like you who have never served really have no idea what your talking about. For the record we would mop the floor with the russian army.
Its funny after 911 how much everyone supported the military when all you pillow biters where wetting your pants wondering if the world was going to end.
Thanks Mac for ur service and responding to dipshit. I will attmept to pick up where u left off.
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Haha. Then why doesn't the U.S. actually do something about Russia and Iran? We don't do shit. We haven't fought a real enemy since WWII. With all our expensive ass bombs and billion dollar planes we can't even find a terrorist hiding in a cave. The most sophisticated homeland defense system in the world and we couldn't stop a couple of commercial planes from flying into a building. We lost the Korean War, we lost the Vietnam war, we are losing the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Oh boo hoo your hands are tied because of the politicians and lawyers right? Bullshit! America fights its wars through other countries and proxy governments. We've turned into big old pussies and have let countries like China tell us when to jump and how high while we parade around the world puffing up our chest not doing shit. The War on Terror? Haha what a joke! We haven't attacked Iran yet because we all know it would create a shit storm for us. Instead of bombing the shit out of North Korea we keep swallowing their bullshit lies and deceit. Our country can't even police its own fucking borders or atleast it doesn't give a fuck about protecting its own citizens right here on our own soil. We leave our border security up to the Mexican Army. Americans are sick of wars and their government lying to them.
I don't know, We crushed the 4th largest army in 100 hours back in 1991, equiped with ur vaunted Soviet military equipment and doctrine. We crushed em again in 2003 and unlike u, i was there. It looked pretty real to me. It looked real when my platoons engaged the few T-72 tanks that came out to fight and my boys smoked em.
Ever been to Afghanistan dipshit................. ...................ok another place I've been to that u have not. Since u never will, please google earth the Hindu Kush and tell me how to cover that place entirely to find 1 asshole in a cave. Seriously u have no basis to talk.
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In only six days, outnumbered, without international help and against all odds, Israel crushed the Russian backed and equipped Arab nations in 1967. ;D
By the way, Russia admitted to have instigated the Six Day War in 1967 through lies and deception. They thought the Arabs would quickly and easily defeat Israel and thus send a message to the world that victory was for those who embraced the former Soviet Union.
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Exactly...what these guys don't get is that when u buy Russian crap, u generally have to use Russin doctrine to employ it correctly. I use the term correctly, loosely because ever time, as u justed pointed out, they do fight, they get crushed. The arabs got crushed by Israel several times, Iraq was crushed twice. Russia was crushed in Afghanistan and did poorly in Chechny until they decided to fight a total war, unhindered by morals, ethics or the media. A fact that is completely lost on the Western Press, because we're the bad guys.
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Exactly...what these guys don't get is that when u buy Russian crap, u generally have to use Russin doctrine to employ it correctly. I use the term correctly, loosely because ever time, as u justed pointed out, they do fight, they get crushed. The arabs got crushed by Israel several times, Iraq was crushed twice. Russia was crushed in Afghanistan and did poorly in Chechny until they decided to fight a total war, unhindered by morals, ethics or the media. A fact that is completely lost on the Western Press, because we're the bad guys.
The only reason Russia was "crushed" in Afghanistan was because the U.S. got involved and started fighting a proxy war through Afghanis.
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The only reason Russia was "crushed" in Afghanistan was because the U.S. got involved and started fighting a proxy war through Afghanis.
So your saying that even the US's bitches can outfight the mighty russian bear?
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The only reason Russia was "crushed" in Afghanistan was because the U.S. got involved and started fighting a proxy war through Afghanis.
You mean we gave them stingers?
So what? The whole thing collapsed their economy which lead to what we have now.
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It amazes me how much people think they know about something just because they "googled it".
agreed
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I'm so scared...live on your feet or die on your knees!
Perhaps if we just give these nice communists what they want they will just leave us alone. HAHAHA! Suckers, man up!
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Thanks Mac for ur service and responding to dipshit. I will attmept to pick up where u left off.
No, thanks you.... I did serve and I may join again in a reserve officer role. I have alot of probelms with the current "conflicts" but to bad mouth the US and the military is uncalled for.
It just amazes me what these arm chair "internet" generals think what really is going on... let me make a couple things clear.
We can't just pull out of Iraq over night or in six months or even a year.... logistically it's impossible.
The surge did work and is working, casualties have gone considerably down.
Were not losing the war in Afghanistan, we just don't have enough troops there, when we do we will kick there ass as well.
These Wars did make America safer... no attacks since 911.
Alot of people may feel that the Iraq war war unneccessay but after 911 we had to show the world we mean business because after Somalia, US cole and the Embassy bombings the terrorists thought they could due what ever they wished.
You hear alot of shit talk on Getbig between people from diffrent countries, What separates America is that we don't take shit from nobody and we will stand up and prove it.... PROOF! volunteer Military.
DISCLAIMER: the above author did not use google or any other source to form his argument.
I'm drunk going to bed
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No, thanks you.... I did serve and I may join again in a reserve officer role. I have alot of probelms with the current "conflicts" but to bad mouth the US and the military is uncalled for.
It just amazes me what these arm chair "internet" generals think what really is going on... let me make a couple things clear.
We can't just pull out of Iraq over night or in six months or even a year.... logistically it's impossible.
The surge did work and is working, casualties have gone considerably down.
Were not losing the war in Afghanistan, we just don't have enough troops there, when we do we will kick there ass as well.
These Wars did make America safer... no attacks since 911.
Alot of people may feel that the Iraq war war unneccessay but after 911 we had to show the world we mean business because after Somalia, US cole and the Embassy bombings the terrorists thought they could due what ever they wished.
You hear alot of shit talk on Getbig between people from diffrent countries, What separates America is that we don't take shit from nobody and we will stand up and prove it.... PROOF! volunteer Military.
DISCLAIMER: the above author did not use google or any other source to form his argument.
I'm drunk going to bed
Hahah yeah no attacks since 9/11 cause the entire thing was a scam.
The only reason the "surge" is working is because we started throwing a shitload of more money at the insurgents and Al-Sadr. As soon as we start pulling troops out or if we attack Iran things will get much worse in Iraq.
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Isn't Al Sadr dead?
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He's in Iran......he's been to an extent marginalized. His guys are either quiting, dead, many are just criminals looking to score.
Mac....i agree. Where does Mm get his intel....from the net....friggen anti-war websites or ct bullshit. I sit through secure VTC's with P4 once per month. I see the latest shit coming from Iraq. I do my best to atleast get people here to see whats going on. Most of the crap in Iraq isn't reported. Once the surge really took hold and joe stopped getting killed, the media dropped it. Now their on to Afghanistan. That place is 10 times more difficult to figure out...the issues way more complicated. The place has been rubble for 30 years...the people don't care beyond their villages. The country is near impossible to fight in. We truck most of our crap in. Helicopters can't go everywhere so joe has to hump his crap in. The government is semi worthless and its basically a Narco state. The Taliban can run into Pakistan. P4 is now the Centcom CDR and it looks like we're going into Pakistan more so i expect things to improve this year.