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Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:
Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.
"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."
"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."
"We've had enough of the same old thing."
The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick."
Here we go....Obama is sinking fast. I thought the Obamessiah was above this
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Same could be said for Obama.....if you polish a turd, it's still a turd!
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Same could be said for Obama.....if you polish a turd, it's still a turd!
you admitted today that obama's economic plan could mean you lose your home, right?
I'm suddenly thinking everything you post about him comes thru the eyes of a desperate man who loses everything if this guy gets in. For most of us, it'll just be a little tax difference no matter who gets in. But you're right at the point where youre totally fuckked if he gets in.
So even if Obama was right about something - it would totally not benefit you to admit it, huh?
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you admitted today that obama's economic plan could mean you lose your home, right?
I'm suddenly thinking everything you post about him comes thru the eyes of a desperate man who loses everything if this guy gets in. For most of us, it'll just be a little tax difference no matter who gets in. But you're right at the point where youre totally fuckked if he gets in.
So even if Obama was right about something - it would totally not benefit you to admit it, huh?
Tell Coach not to worry, I'll buy it. :)
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U failed the Bar remember..ur burger king check won't cover it.
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lol, but I had the good sense to pick a well-off dad and a wealthy grandfather.
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lol, but I had the good sense to pick a well-off dad and a wealthy grandfather.
We can't choose our relatives.
What are YOU doing to distinguish yourself...
Or are you following family lines? Not bashing, just curious.
Sandra
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Wow...u go girl.
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you admitted today that obama's economic plan could mean you lose your home, right?I'm suddenly thinking everything you post about him comes thru the eyes of a desperate man who loses everything if this guy gets in. For most of us, it'll just be a little tax difference no matter who gets in. But you're right at the point where youre totally fuckked if he gets in.
So even if Obama was right about something - it would totally not benefit you to admit it, huh?
I never said I would lose my home, where did you get that from? No, your right, it wouldn't benefit me but all be damned if I'm going to give my money and liberal or not, I don't think anyone on here would want that either. What person in their right mind would want to vote to give up half of their paycheck?
It's communism and I ain't freaking Robin Hood.
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he's losing it
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Yeah...there are issues and u have to wonder whats going on.
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Tell Coach not to worry, I'll buy it. :)
$2.3mil and it's yours.
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$2.3mil and it's yours.
Or I could wait a year and pick it up for half a million (in real money) less. Huntington Beach, right?
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Yeah...there are issues and u have to wonder whats going on.
Me?
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Me?
haha no he's talking about Obama
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Rove said it best...Obama has never been in a real campaign.
When he ran for the House, his opponent was caught up in a sex scandal, when he ran for Senate the Republican front runner was caught up in a even bigger sex scandal, and then when he went up against Hillary, he crossed the finish line but just barely.
To top this off, the Dems have a commercial coming out with the issue of special needs children....apparently Palin did not give enough money to programs for children in need with disorders....the Dems are going to kick the bucket with that
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I never said I would lose my home, where did you get that from? No, your right, it wouldn't benefit me but all be damned if I'm going to give my money and liberal or not, I don't think anyone on here would want that either. What person in their right mind would want to vote to give up half of their paycheck?
It's communism and I ain't freaking Robin Hood.
No, Coach.
We’d still have private ownership, so it’s just socialism for now.
See?
Not communism; just socialism…
Nothing to worry about there.
Have a good night’s sleep.
;)
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Same could be said for Obama.....if you polish a turd, it's still a turd!
Well put.
the septic tank will allways fill with shit no matter how big it is.
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I never said I would lose my home, where did you get that from? No, your right, it wouldn't benefit me but all be damned if I'm going to give my money and liberal or not, I don't think anyone on here would want that either. What person in their right mind would want to vote to give up half of their paycheck?
It's communism and I ain't freaking Robin Hood.
i agree it's bullshit.
but if you ask some walmart clerk making $18,000 a year about it... what is she going to say?
"Lady, you can keep an extra $800 under Obama, or some rich guy in Cali living in a 2.3 million home can get an extra bill for $40k this year."
She's taking the 700 bucks and not giving an F about you.
The problem is, obama is able to milk a lot of voters who used to be middle class, who are broke now. They don't care about what's right or wrong. They just care about that extra 700 bucks.
Aren't you the same way, Joe? Aren't all of us?
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For the record, I didn't say my home was worth 2.3mil.....I said he could have it for that..LOL!
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For the record, I didn't say my home was worth 2.3mil.....I said he could have it for that..LOL!
How big is your lot?
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Why?
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Why?
He wants to ask you out for dinner, and ask if you support same sex civil unions
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He wants to ask you out for dinner, and ask if you support same sex civil unions
Actually, I'd rather make you "squeal like a pig"
Have a feeling you'd probably like it anyway.
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Actually, I'd rather make you "squeal like a pig"
Have a feeling you'd probably like it anyway.
So your saying you have a feeling, because you've done it before, and know the feeling? Or you have a feeling because it's an urge you want to satisfy?
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So your saying you have a feeling, because you've done it before, and know the feeling? Or you have a feeling because it's an urge you want to satisfy?
blah blah blah
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blah blah blah
I thought a pig squeals?
Blah blah blah? Is that the noise you hear often, when your making "pigs squeal"
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I never said I would lose my home, where did you get that from? No, your right, it wouldn't benefit me but all be damned if I'm going to give my money and liberal or not, I don't think anyone on here would want that either. What person in their right mind would want to vote to give up half of their paycheck?
It's communism and I ain't freaking Robin Hood.
where did you get this figure from?
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Uhhh..."lipstick on a pig" is a commonly used phrase. Sarah "I Don't Do Interviews Unless You Promise To Kiss My Fanny" Palin does not own the rights to the word "lipstick" because she used it in a speech. ::)
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
John McCain in Iowa on 10/11/2007 referring to Hillary Clinton's health care plan as putting "lipstick on the pig, but it's still a pig"
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I don't think this is a significant issue or problem.
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I don't think this is a significant issue or problem.
New york media loves drama. they're running with it today. Yes, the 'leftist lib media'.
Cheney used it, mccain used it. it's a common phrase.
however, since palin is the only one in the race with a lipstick, and she's always making lipstick jokes, they are saying he was attacking her, and now you have mccain campaign talking about how offensive that was to women.
They should harden the fvck up. When Putin sets up a middle eastern missile defense shield, is she going to have women's groups crying on MSNBC about how offended they are?
I want a TOUGH Muther Fvcker running the USA in this tough world. I don't want someone whining about how offended they are all day long.
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Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:
Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.
"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."
"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."
"We've had enough of the same old thing."
The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick."
Here we go....Obama is sinking fast. I thought the Obamessiah was above this
This looks like typical polical BS where he's playing to his base. I don't see what makes it special or why it would indicate Obama is sinking fast.
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Obamas comment was directed at McCain's newfound claim that he is an agent of change. It had nothing to do with Palin and I'm sure McCain knows this.
McCain seems to be repeating this strategy of pretending to be offended over non-existent insults.
The irony is that Palins sole purpose seems to be to launch insults at both Obama/Biden while at the same time demanding that she be treated with deference and respect (direct quote from Rick Davis - McCain's campaign manager).
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If/when palin overplays the offended woman card - just as Hilary did - the backlash could be rough.
Hilary had some initial success from followers with her whining about the boys piling on. however, because of it, she lost. She lost that veneer of toughness. If palin is dumb enough to grab a mic and complain about it, you'll see a lot of her testosterone vote realize "this chick isn't tough after all - if she's complaining on FOX News because of one lipstick comment, how in the world can she handle Iran or Russia cutting oil or starting a war?"
Mccain has issues, but he is tough. Biden too. Obama also - he's not the one whining on tv about being offended. Palinary is the only one doing that.
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If/when palin overplays the offended woman card - just as Hilary did - the backlash could be rough.
Hilary had some initial success from followers with her whining about the boys piling on. however, because of it, she lost. She lost that veneer of toughness. If palin is dumb enough to grab a mic and complain about it, you'll see a lot of her testosterone vote realize "this chick isn't tough after all - if she's complaining on FOX News because of one lipstick comment, how in the world can she handle Iran or Russia cutting oil or starting a war?"
Mccain has issues, but he is tough. Biden too. Obama also - he's not the one whining on tv about being offended. Palinary is the only one doing that.
McCain/Palin about an non-existent insult which, IMO, is even more pathetic.
All I've heard from Palin are insults directed at Obama and misleading (at best) claims about her own record.
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Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:
Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.
"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."
"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."
"We've had enough of the same old thing."
The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick."
Here we go....Obama is sinking fast. I thought the Obamessiah was above this
LOL....Yeah these issues and policies huh ::) ....you guys make me fuckin sick..soundbyte media shit, 2 phrases that become a story. Fuckin children
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Its an issue because Obama is for change and not the same old politics....blah blah blah...well he's as full of shit as the rest of them except he has no experience.
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he has no experience.
Does she?
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Its an issue because Obama is for change and not the same old politics....blah blah blah...well he's as full of shit as the rest of them except he has no experience.
Experience is really not important unless the candidate has no idea how government works. At this point, all the candidates have a pretty good idea of the mechnisms of government.
Yeah, Obama does give into rhetorical excesses, no doubt. Ideas are what this is election is about. It's what all elections are about--good ideas, bad ideas, fabricated postions, mischaracterized priorities. In that sense, McCain's economic plan is more 'borrow and spending' where we are under the veil of a 'head-in-the-sand' approach to government. Everything's great with the economy and the debt...have another tax cut sport!
That approach is literally bankrupting this country. The US cannot afford another Bush term and that's what McCain will deliver.
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Sure enough.
Today, camp mccain's efforts are totally devoted to announcing how upset they are about Obama's sexism.
They're acting like little bitches. Palin returns to alaska today, under the shadow of obama attacking her as a pig.
man the fvck up, republicans. stop acting like offended bitches.
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Sure enough.
Today, camp mccain's efforts are totally devoted to announcing how upset they are about Obama's sexism.
They're acting like little bitches. Palin returns to alaska today, under the shadow of obama attacking her as a pig.
man the fvck up, republicans. stop acting like offended bitches.
punk ass sound byte politics...
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Does she?
She's not the Republican nominee for president. She would appear to be aiding the ticket and kicking the dogshit out of Obama..as opposed to the Dem VP, who we barely hear from...but she's doing more to get McCain elected then anybody else.
240 Obama whines incessantly about unfair media, whats off limits, what people can say..what questions he can be asked...give me a break.
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She's not the Republican nominee for president. She would appear to be aiding the ticket and kicking the dogshit out of Obama..as opposed to the Dem VP, who we barely hear from...but she's doing more to get McCain elected then anybody else.
240 Obama whines incessantly about unfair media, whats off limits, what people can say..what questions he can be asked...give me a break.
Obama could have stooped to repub levels and just went in on her family like the repubs would have done him if the tables were turned. But he said that goin in on Palins family was over the line.
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Ah..in case u missed it, it was the Dems who went after her family. ::)
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apparently some are grasping at straws... since they can't grasp issues... hypocrisy is a bitch
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A Piggish Debate
September 09, 2008 8:42 PM
Last October, asked about Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was blunt.
McCain said Clinton's proposal was “eerily” similar to the ill-fated plan she devised in 1993.
“I think they put some lipstick on a pig,” he said, “but it’s still a pig.”
A common expression, right?
McCain surely wasn't calling Clinton a pig.
After all, McCain's former press secretary, Torie Clarke, wrote a book called "Lipstick on a Pig: Winning in the No-Spin Era."
Elizabeth Edwards told some health journalists that McCain's health care plan was like “painting lipstick on a pig.”
Tonight Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of McCain painting himself as a change agent, "You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."
The crowd rose and applauded.
(Some of them no doubt were thinking he may have been in some way alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.")
"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years. We’ve had enough of the same old thing! It’s time to bring about real change to Washington. And that’s the choice you’ve got in this election."
Obama's campaign insisted that he was not alluding to Palin at all.
"That expression is older than my grandfather's grandfather," said Obama campaign spox Jen Psaki, "and it means that you can dress something up but it doesn't change what it is. He was talking pretty clearly about the fact that you can't just call yourself change when you've voted with George Bush 90 percent of the time."
Obama has used the expression before. Last September, around the time McCain said it about Clinton's health care plan.
"I think that both Gen. Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment," Obama said in a telephone interview. "George Bush has given a mission to Gen. Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig."
Why should anyone believe McCain didn't mean it about Hillary Clinton, but Obama meant it about Palin?
And yet, the inaugural conference call of what the McCain-Palin campaign is calling the "Palin Truth Squad" addressed Obama's remark.
And interestingly, the Truth Squad call was full of half-truths and statements that weren't true at all.
Speaking on behalf of the McCain campaign, former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift tonight flatly stated that Obama had called Palin a pig.
"[T]he formation of the Palin Truth Squad couldn't have happened too soon, as we saw when Sen. Obama in Lebanon, Va., this evening uttered what I can only deem to be disgraceful comments comparing our vice presidential nominee Gov. Palin to a pig," Swift said.
"Sen. Obama owes Gov. Palin an apology," she said.
Asked why she was so confident Obama was "comparing" Palin to a pig, she said Palin was the only one of the four candidates on both parties' tickets who wears lipstick.
"She is the only one of the four candidates for president, or the only vice presidential candidate who wears lipstick," Swift said. "I mean, it seemed to me a very gendered comment."
But, Swift added, if "as part of his apology Sen. Obama wants to say, no, he was calling Sen. McCain -- who is a true hero in our country -- a pig, then I suppose we could wait en masse for an apology to that, as well."
It was pointed out to Swift that, after the line about the pig, Obama had said, "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,' it's still gonna stink after eight years."
Swift then suggested that Obama was calling McCain a fish.
"I have a fourth-grader and two second-graders at home," she said. "I would not teach them that this is sort of a high-minded debate on policy issues when they are calling people rotten old fish or a pig. In fact, it sounds a lot like some of the least intelligent debates on the playground sound like at our elementary school."
A reporter then reminded Swift that in December, McCain was asked about criticisms coming his way from then-opponent Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., and McCain replied, "Never get into a wrestling match with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it."
Was McCain calling Romney a pig? a reporter asked Swift.
Of course not, Swift said.
It seems to me we should have one rule. If Obama was calling Palin a pig, then McCain was calling Hillary Clinton one. If McCain wasn't, then Obama wa
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Obama is a fake.
Just recently in an interview with MSNBC, Obama stated that the media should "POLICE" McCain and the Republicans.
I don't think it is the media's job to "police" anyone. Their job is to report the facts and what either candidate says.
"Police". Very bad word to use. Seems like Obama is not too good of a speaker without a teleprompter and without memorizing a prepared speech.
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Obama is a fake.
Just recently in an interview with MSNBC, Obama stated that the media should "POLICE" McCain and the Republicans.
I don't think it is the media's job to "police" anyone. Their job is to report the facts and what either candidate says.
"Police". Very bad word to use. Seems like Obama is not too good of a speaker without a teleprompter and without memorizing a prepared speech.
SOUNDBYTE POLITICS AGAIN....FUCKIN KIDS
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SOUNDBYTE POLITICS AGAIN....FUCKIN KIDS
Yet, you can't argue against it.
If "SOUNDBYTE POLITICS AGAIN" is the best response you have, please do us a favor and drown yourself in a septic tank.
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Obama is a fake.
Just recently in an interview with MSNBC, Obama stated that the media should "POLICE" McCain and the Republicans.
I don't think it is the media's job to "police" anyone. Their job is to report the facts and what either candidate says.
"Police". Very bad word to use. Seems like Obama is not too good of a speaker without a teleprompter and without memorizing a prepared speech.
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Spot on....i think u could play a drinking game on how many times he says um but u'd die of alcohol poisoning
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Yet, you can't argue against it.
If "SOUNDBYTE POLITICS AGAIN" is the best response you have, please do us a favor and drown yourself in a septic tank.
Yo chill with all that septic shit...
now....
Soundbyte, catch phrase politics is a dumb ass way to choose a public offical. "He said this and it dosent sound good"
Are you shittin me? You sound like a bitchy ass girl...Look at policies and how they will affect you and your family. Not waiting for some kind of verbal slip up to jump on. Fuckin child
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Sure enough.
Today, camp mccain's efforts are totally devoted to announcing how upset they are about Obama's sexism.
They're acting like little bitches. Palin returns to alaska today, under the shadow of obama attacking her as a pig.
man the fvck up, republicans. stop acting like offended bitches.
Democrats have been doing that for years.......
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Democrats have been doing that for years.......
no denying that.
But in the Mccain/palin vs. Biden/Obama contest, it's been pretty one-sided.
Obama attacks policies, and mccain team attacks personlity. Hell, mccain campaign ADMITS it's not about issues.
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Seriously... This is as ridiculous as you can get.
Lipstick on a pig is all of a sudden to Palin?
If this doesn't show people that she was nothing more than a gimmick VP nomination, then nothing will.
Poor woman being called a pig.
If she'd stop getting knocked up she wouldn't look like such a damn porker 1/2 her life.
::)
How can all of these "manly" conservatives give their vote for a group that is such a bunch of whining bitches?
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How can all of these "manly" conservatives give their vote for a group that is such a bunch of whining bitches?
I listen to Sean hannity's radio show almost every afternoon. He's a major conservative radio host, and talked about his desire to 'derail the obama express'. He says he knows he isn't objective, and his only job is to make repubs look good and expose dems. No fair balanced- he says his partner Colmes is for that.
Anyway, all hannity talks about is how offended he is by everything obama and biden say. 20 times an hour. Him whining about how much he's been offended. Grow a set already.
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240, would you say that Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro being called racists by the Obama campaign qualifies as "growing a pair" or having a pair so to speak?
The republicans are doing what liberals have made a living off of for years. You cant pick and choose when to be PC. Either everything goes under a microscope or nothing goes under a microscope. The strategy being employed- ie using their own words to bury them, is an effective one.
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240, would you say that Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro being called racists by the Obama campaign qualifies as "growing a pair" or having a pair so to speak?
The republicans are doing what liberals have made a living off of for years. You cant pick and choose when to be PC. Either everything goes under a microscope or nothing goes under a microscope. The strategy being employed- ie using their own words to bury them, is an effective one.
Actually, McCain used it against Hillary first.
Hillary didn't whine like a bitch though about it.
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McCain used what on Hillary first? What the fuck are you talking about?
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McCain used what on Hillary first? What the fuck are you talking about?
McCain called Hillary's healthcare plan "Lipstick on a Pig".
Hillary didn't get all fucking offended about it... This seriously makes the Republicans look like bitches.
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Ok- And you are going to sit there with a straight face and tell me you cant name 10000 other things the democrats have bitched and moaned at since the election started ( even against their own party members) concerning non PC quotations?
Cmon man, you and I both know the republicans are playing the democrats game.
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240, would you say that Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro being called racists by the Obama campaign qualifies as "growing a pair" or having a pair so to speak?
The republicans are doing what liberals have made a living off of for years. You cant pick and choose when to be PC. Either everything goes under a microscope or nothing goes under a microscope. The strategy being employed- ie using their own words to bury them, is an effective one.
obama was a bith there, sure. he introduced race as an issue, and clintons beat him for it.
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McCain called Hillary's healthcare plan "Lipstick on a Pig".
Hillary didn't get all fucking offended about it... This seriously makes the Republicans look like bitches.
Hilary didn't use the phrase "They say the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull.........LIPSTICK", just a few days prior to McCain's statement, either.
That's the point. That phrase became rather catchy, to the point where any political association with lipstick flies immediately to Sarah Palin. Obama had to know that. Yet he, intentionally or not (and I believe it's not), walked right into that.
With Biden and an Obama spokesman, ALSO using a lipstick reference shortly after Palin's speech, Obama's comment didn't help matters.
At the end of the day, the Democrats are rattled. Even Democratic commentators on talk shows are getting flustered. They're worried that Obama keeps setting himself up to get hammered and may throw this election away. They're also frustrated that, so far, they can't get to Sarah Palin.
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Hilary didn't use the phrase "They say the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull.........LIPSTICK", just a few days prior to McCain's statement, either.
That's the point. That phrase became rather catchy, to the point where any political association with lipstick flies immediately to Sarah Palin. Obama had to know that. Yet he, intentionally or not (and I believe it's not), walked right into that.
With Biden and an Obama spokesman, ALSO using a lipstick reference shortly after Palin's speech, Obama's comment didn't help matters.
At the end of the day, the Democrats are rattled. Even Democratic commentators on talk shows are getting flustered. They're worried that Obama keeps setting himself up to get hammered and may throw this election away. They're also frustrated that, so far, they can't get to Sarah Palin.
Jesus H. Christ i cant believe this is noteworthy.
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I seriously don't think he said to offend anyone....but it does show he's too stupid to realize whats comes out of his mouth.
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I seriously don't think he said to offend anyone....but it does show he's too stupid to realize whats comes out of his mouth.
Dude stupid?...serious..a harvard grad is stupid... ::)
amazing
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Dude stupid?...serious..a harvard grad is stupid... ::)
amazing
You've never met a stupid Harvard grad?
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Hilary didn't use the phrase "They say the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull.........LIPSTICK", just a few days prior to McCain's statement, either.
That's the point. That phrase became rather catchy, to the point where any political association with lipstick flies immediately to Sarah Palin. Obama had to know that. Yet he, intentionally or not (and I believe it's not), walked right into that.
With Biden and an Obama spokesman, ALSO using a lipstick reference shortly after Palin's speech, Obama's comment didn't help matters.
At the end of the day, the Democrats are rattled. Even Democratic commentators on talk shows are getting flustered. They're worried that Obama keeps setting himself up to get hammered and may throw this election away. They're also frustrated that, so far, they can't get to Sarah Palin.
nonsense - just because Palin make a lipstick comment doesn't change the context of Obama statement.
It had nothing to do with Palin
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If he had graduated from Queens college could we call him stupid Mal?
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Obama was obviously referring to Palin's lipstick comment from the most watched VP speech in American history. It was a dumb comment. He should just apologize and drop it. But he won't, because he appears to be incapable of admitting mistakes.
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Hilary didn't use the phrase "They say the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull.........LIPSTICK", just a few days prior to McCain's statement, either.
That's the point. That phrase became rather catchy, to the point where any political association with lipstick flies immediately to Sarah Palin. Obama had to know that. Yet he, intentionally or not (and I believe it's not), walked right into that.
With Biden and an Obama spokesman, ALSO using a lipstick reference shortly after Palin's speech, Obama's comment didn't help matters.
At the end of the day, the Democrats are rattled. Even Democratic commentators on talk shows are getting flustered. They're worried that Obama keeps setting himself up to get hammered and may throw this election away. They're also frustrated that, so far, they can't get to Sarah Palin.
So you're saying that the republicans really ARE little bitches now then?
HAHA!!! NO ONE can get to Sarah Palin.
She is completely unavailable and will not stop to talk to anyone... She has been told to say these 3 sound bites and not do any interviews... How people will vote for someone that is basically avoiding any discussion is beyond me.
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Obama was obviously referring to Palin's lipstick comment from the most watched VP speech in American history. It was a dumb comment. He should just apologize and drop it. But he won't, because he appears to be incapable of admitting mistakes.
Bullshit.
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Just because he's a Harvard grad doesn't mean he has any commonsense.
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You've never met a stupid Harvard grad?
I may have met one or two that lacked common sense. But "stupid?" No, I haven't.
I've certainly never met a former president of the Harvard Law Review and law professor at the University of Chicago that would be qualified as "stupid." Have you, "Mr. BUM?" Or you, "Mr. WHOREwell?"
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Just because he's a Harvard grad doesn't mean he has any commonsense.
So you think that Obama is somehow a dumb person?
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Just because he's a Harvard grad doesn't mean he has any commonsense.
Are you implying that this commonly used phrase is only used by those lacking common sense, Bum?
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Just because he's a Harvard grad doesn't mean he has any commonsense.
Oh Coach... cut the crap... You guys talk about "backlash"... This absolute deriding of everything he says is going to backlash all over the Republicans.
The guy is using a phrase that is older than anyone on this board.
If he wanted to allude to something she said in that phrase anyone he would have just called her a bitch... She's the one who said she was a pitbull with lipstick in the first place.
This will end well for Obama... because anyone with commonsense knows this is bullshit.
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I'm saying if he had any commonsense he wouldn't have said it at all.
No bigmal, I didnt say he was stupid, what I meant was it was a stupid thing to say. Sorry, I should have clarified that.
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I'm saying if he had any commonsense he wouldn't have said it at all.
No bigmal, I didnt say he was stupid, what I meant was it was a stupid thing to say. Sorry, I should have clarified that.
So "Coach", you are saying it lacks common sense to use that particular phrase? ???
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Didn't mean to say he was stupid, I persoanlly think hes a smart person....he just lacks commonsense, theres a big difference.
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I may have met one or two that lacked common sense. But "stupid?" No, I haven't.
I've certainly never met a former president of the Harvard Law Review and law professor at the University of Chicago that would be qualified as "stupid." Have you, "Mr. BUM?" Or you, "Mr. WHOREwell?"
I have met more than one person with an Ivy League education who I don't consider very bright. I have met more than one person who did not attend any college who I consider extremely bright.
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Didn't mean to say he was stupid, I persoanlly think hes a smart person....he just lacks commonsense, theres a big difference.
How so? Are you saying it lacks common sense to use that particular phrase? ???
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Bullshit.
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Why the swirly eyes bum?
Because it's true?
Let's face it... You WANT it to be about her... You WANT it to be Obama being a big mean old black guy... but it's not.
You're projecting.
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I have met more than one person with an Ivy League education who I don't consider very bright.
Depends on how you define "bright." Certainly, an ivy league degree does not mean you are a genius or well versed on every subject.
I have met more than one person who did not attend any college who I consider extremely bright.
Sure, I imagine we all know such people.
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Obama was obviously referring to Palin's lipstick comment from the most watched VP speech in American history. It was a dumb comment. He should just apologize and drop it. But he won't, because he appears to be incapable of admitting mistakes.
haha - apologize for what?
What is OBVIOUS to me is that the comment had nothing to do with Palin.
McCain just knows he can pretend to be offended and his less intelligent supporters will follow right along
McCain knows he has nothing to talk about so he's got to muddy with the waters and keep people distracted and to that end, it seems to be working
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Why the swirly eyes bum?
Because it's true?
Let's face it... You WANT it to be about her... You WANT it to be Obama being a big mean old black guy... but it's not.
You're projecting.
lol. Can you do my work for me today too, since you've got my whole thought process figured out?
I stand by what I said. He was obviously playing off of Palin's lipstick comments from her speech. It was a dumb comment. Given that McCain is actually running a campaign ad and the talking heads are all over it, he clearly shouldn't have made the comments. If he apologizes and moves on, the whole thing goes away. But he apparently doesn't have the good sense and/or the right advisors to do that.
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lol. Can you do my work for me today too, since you've got my whole thought process figured out?
I stand by what I said. He was obviously playing off of Palin's lipstick comments from her speech. It was a dumb comment. Given that McCain is actually running a campaign ad and the talking heads are all over it, he clearly shouldn't have made the comments. If he apologizes and moves on, the whole thing goes away. But he apparently doesn't have the good sense and/or the right advisors to do that.
Stand by it all you want... makes you look pathetic on this one.
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Depends on how you define "bright." Certainly, an ivy league degree does not mean you are a genius or well versed on every subject.
Sure, I imagine we all know such people.
I probably mean "common sense" more often than not when I use the terms "bright," "smart," etc., although I understand they are not synonymous.
There are a lot of people who think Bush is stupid, not bright, etc. and he has two Ivy League degrees.
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Stand by it all you want... makes you look pathetic on this one.
I will.
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I will.
He's comfortable looking pathetic, tu_holmes. After all, he is a self-professed bum.
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Stand by it all you want... makes you look pathetic on this one.
So I guess all the women that took it the same way, are pathetic?
Since your so familiar with BB's though process, care to tell us the crowd's thought process of why they laughed at the comment "lipstick on a pig" seems if it was not directed as a joke towards Palin, no one would have laughed at such a "common saying"
Go ahead psychologist Holmes
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So I guess all the women that took it the same way, are pathetic?
Since your so familiar with BB's though process, care to tell us the crowd's thought process of why they laughed at the comment "lipstick on a pig" seems if it was not directed as a joke towards Palin, no one would have laughed at such a "common saying"
Go ahead psychologist Holmes
maybe they were laughing at the actual context of the comment which was McCain trying to redefine himself as an agent of change. That is a laughable all by itself.
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maybe they were laughing at the actual context of the comment which was McCain trying to redefine himself as an agent of change. That is a laughable all by itself.
Careful, you are nearing a substantive topic re McCain's newfound role as the insider's outsider.
We must get back to the joke.
The joke is what is important.
Always mention the joke...and its pernicious effect.
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Careful, you are nearing a substantive topic re McCain's newfound role as the insider's outsider.
We must get back to the joke.
The joke is what is important.
Always mention the joke...and its pernicious effect.
Exactly, the joke that is costing Obama all of his white women voters, haha.
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Exactly, the joke that is costing Obama all of his white women voters, haha.
How do you know, did you poll each woman? (hahahaha)
And McCain's childish strategy makes you happy I see.
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How do you know, did you poll each woman? (hahahaha)
And McCain's childish strategy makes you happy I see.
Obama was ahead McCain with 8% of White women voters after the DNC, but now McCain is ahead by 12% among white women voters
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Obama was ahead McCain with 8% of White women voters after the DNC, but now McCain is ahead by 12% among white women voters
I still think McCain wins the election by 4% b/c america will not elect a black president.
The notion that Big Mac is even in striking distance of Obama is a testimonial to the intelligence of the herd out there. It's difficult to articulate the full damage the Bush administration brought to this country. McCain has run on Bush's 2004 re-election platform....more Bush with McCain. (hahahaha) And McCain is going to win this thing.
Electing a candidate that for all intents and purposes is a repeat of the prior presidential failure is emblematic of the substantial decline of our educational system and the victory of our dogmatic on-demand, television culture.
As for the vicissitudes of ongoign polling, I don't follow them.
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I still think McCain wins the election by 4% b/c america will not elect a black president.
The notion that Big Mac is even in striking distance of Obama is a testimonial to the intelligence of the herd out there. It's difficult to articulate the full damage the Bush administration brought to this country. McCain has run on Bush's 2004 re-election platform....more Bush with McCain. (hahahaha) And McCain is going to win this thing.
Electing a candidate that for all intents and purposes is a repeat of the prior presidential failure is emblematic of the substantial decline of our educational system and the victory of our dogmatic on-demand, television culture.
As for the vicissitudes of ongoign polling, I don't follow them.
Decker, I agree, but you also have to notice that neither candidates are talking about education REFORM, Obama is touting that teachers should get paid more, and those that don't perform be fired? I think the schools handle that issue of giving teachers increased pay, and firing the ones that don't perform. We need to focus on science and math more, and get back to increasing thses subjects that we have lagged behind for so many years now...decades. School vouchers, increased pay....all that is hogwash, without a structure in place for the students, then we can talk about pay, vouchers, and incentives.
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Exactly, the joke that is costing Obama all of his white women voters, haha.
taint true, but keep on believing that myth
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How so? Are you saying it lacks common sense to use that particular phrase? ???
Well.....I personally think that most liberals lack commonsense, that was just an example.
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I seriously don't think he said to offend anyone....but it does show he's too stupid to realize whats comes out of his mouth.
Good take on it.
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The notion that Big Mac is even in striking distance of Obama is a testimonial to the intelligence of the herd out there.
Decker do you think that people who are voting for McCain are less intelligent than you (or anyone voting for Obama)?
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Only Obama can say 100% what he meant by that comment but it appears to me that the right is over-reacting. A large # of the crowd responded to the comment abnormally so to many in the audience immediately assumed it was a hit on Palin. So, the only thing we can say with certainty is that it was a poor choice of words since it follows on the heels of Palin's VP nomination speech just referencing lipstick in a punchline.
Its funny how many of you jump on this when there has been so much immature distastefully bullshit written about Palin in the last two weeks that you let slide. If its wrong (and I agree it is), then its wrong on both sides. This is what sucks about our politics. Too much us vs them with the Dems and Repubs. Illogical bullshit on both sides.
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Decker do you think that people who are voting for McCain are less intelligent than you (or anyone voting for Obama)?
How would you characterize the situation?
We have 8 years of failed policy--foreign and domestic--under Bush, and McCain is running on the same platform.
How would you frame the phenomenon that people have been through 8 years of failure, and McCain offers 4 more years of the same policies there are people that want that?
Would you think that is indicative of well thoughout decisions by the voters or would you characterize that as willful stupidity?
Isn't the cliche' definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
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How would you characterize the situation?
We have 8 years of failed policy--foreign and domestic--under Bush, and McCain is running on the same platform.
How would you frame the phenomenon that people have been through 8 years of failure, and McCain offers 4 more years of the same policies there are people that want that?
Would you think that is indicative of well thoughout decisions by the voters or would you characterize that as willful stupidity?
Isn't the cliche' definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
I think a number of people look at the candidates, decide which one can best lead the country, and vote for who they think is the best candidate. Some vote party line. Some vote against a candidate. Some are completely uninformed and simply guess.
I would never call someone stupid solely because they disagree with me. That's pretty arrogant.
But that doesn't answer my question.
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So I guess all the women that took it the same way, are pathetic?
Yes.
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joan Walsh of salon is pointing out that much of Palin's power comes from her strength and toughness.
And that the more she acts offended and upset, the less tough she appears.
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I think a number of people look at the candidates, decide which one can best lead the country, and vote for who they think is the best candidate. Some vote party line. Some vote against a candidate. Some are completely uninformed and simply guess.
I would never call someone stupid solely because they disagree with me. That's pretty arrogant.
But that doesn't answer my question.
I'm not a touchy-feely guy concerned with the esteem of the american voters. For the most part, they are an under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot.
If you want to call that 'arrogance' then go ahead. These voters are narrow-minded enough to let their personal wedge issues dictate their support even if it hurts the country. Does that sound broad-minded to you?
Do I think I'm smarter than these Bush supporters? How the hell do I know? But when I see a patently stupid move--like voting for McCain--I can't say, "Well Biff, everyone's entitled to their own opinion" or "Everyone should vote their conscience" or "at least I'm stepping up to the plate to do my civic duty...."
I have no respect for that decision. Good people can disagree and stupid people can vote for a candidate "of change" running on Bush's platform from 2004.
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Obama goes on Letterman tonight to laugh about the nonsense of it lal, and point out that even if it was intended to belittle her, she has it backwards. Mccain would be the pig, and palin would be the lipstick intended to make the pig (mccain and his positions) look better.
OWNED!
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I'm not a touchy-feely guy concerned with the esteem of the american voters. For the most part, they are an under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot.
If you want to call that 'arrogance' then go ahead. These voters are narrow-minded enough to let their personal wedge issues dictate their support even if it hurts the country. Does that sound broad-minded to you?
Do I think I'm smarter than these Bush supporters? How the hell do I know? But when I see a patently stupid move--like voting for McCain--I can't say, "Well Biff, everyone's entitled to their own opinion" or "Everyone should vote their conscience" or "at least I'm stepping up to the plate to do my civic duty...."
I have no respect for that decision. Good people can disagree and stupid people can vote for a candidate "of change" running on Bush's platform from 2004.
Thanks for answering. Yes, I do consider that pretty arrogant. Are you saying the majority of all voters or just McCain voters are an "under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot"?
Are you really assuming that all McCain voters are
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Exactly.
The Republicans have officially become whining bitches.
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Obama goes on Letterman tonight to laugh about the nonsense of it lal, and point out that even if it was intended to belittle her, she has it backwards. Mccain would be the pig, and palin would be the lipstick intended to make the pig (mccain and his positions) look better.
OWNED!
Hahaha. I'll send them a $100 more if he really says that.
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Hahaha. I'll send them a $100 more if he really says that.
lol... i'll post the youtube as soon as it's avaiable, late tonight or early tomorrow. NBC broke that story at 5:00, right after letterman taping at 4.
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lol... i'll post the youtube as soon as it's avaiable, late tonight or early tomorrow. NBC broke that story at 5:00, right after letterman taping at 4.
That would be classic. Axelrod might have the fat bitch Rove's no. after all.
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Hilary didn't use the phrase "They say the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull.........LIPSTICK", just a few days prior to McCain's statement, either.
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/hmmm.gif)
So ...in essence, ...we have Palin referring to herself as a ...BITCH!
I'm sure the female vote will be happy with that analogy, ...NOT!
ps: There's a reason why that breed of DOG is banned in many areas around the world. ;)
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Anybody know if Obama dusted his shoulders off after he said that McCain('s policies) is the pig.
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Obama goes on Letterman tonight to laugh about the nonsense of it lal, and point out that even if it was intended to belittle her, she has it backwards. Mccain would be the pig, and palin would be the lipstick intended to make the pig (mccain and his positions) look better.
OWNED!
Exactly who is Obama owning?
He's losing his cool, slipping in the polls, has his supporters biting their nails, and letting McCain basically do his thing, promoting his policies, while Obama and Biden are affixed on Palin.
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/hmmm.gif)
So ...in essence, ...we have Palin referring to herself as a ...BITCH!
I'm sure the female vote will be happy with that analogy, ...NOT!
ps: There's a reason why that breed of DOG is banned in many areas around the world. ;)
You must have a short memory. The women at the RNC (you do realize that female vote doesn't merely consist of liberal women) were cracking it up. In fact, at the rally in Virginia, there were plenty of women with "Read our Lipstick" signs. And last time I checked some of the polls, McCain got a spike in female voters, since adding Palin into the mix.
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(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/hmmm.gif)
So ...in essence, ...we have Palin referring to herself as a ...BITCH!
I'm sure the female vote will be happy with that analogy, ...NOT!
ps: There's a reason why that breed of DOG is banned in many areas around the world. ;)
Don't blame the dog. Blame the asshat owners.
Both parties are asshats for making this an issue.
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Don't blame the dog. Blame the asshat owners.
Sorry. No dice.
That argument doesn't work for gun control or steroids either.
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Thanks for answering. Yes, I do consider that pretty arrogant. Are you saying the majority of all voters or just McCain voters are an "under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot"?
Are you really assuming that all McCain voters are
Is that same thing as you and others calling Obama a socialist implying that anyone voting for Obama is a socailist as well?
We've already seen that there isn't a plank in the Obama platform that can be called 'socialism' yet you keep grinding away with the allegation.
"Are all McCain voters...." What? I'll take a flier at it. No all McCain voters are not dumb. They are all incredibly selfish though b/c they ignore the dismal failure of the Bush/McCain policies in order to support their own wedge issues---abortion, guns, hate democrats, support their guy no matter how dangerously incompetent he/she may be...
In my warped view of life, country comes before party. Too bad the republicans can't understand that when voting for president.
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Is that same thing as you and others calling Obama a socialist implying that anyone voting for Obama is a socailist as well?
We've already seen that there isn't a plank in the Obama platform that can be called 'socialism' yet you keep grinding away with the allegation.
"Are all McCain voters...." What? I'll take a flier at it. No all McCain voters are not dumb. They are all incredibly selfish though b/c they ignore the dismal failure of the Bush/McCain policies in order to support their own wedge issues---abortion, guns, hate democrats, support their guy no matter how dangerously incompetent he/she may be...
In my warped view of life, country comes before party. Too bad the republicans can't understand that when voting for president.
I've called Obama a quasi-socialist. I've never said or implied that anyone voting for Obama is a socialist.
We disagree on whether Obama's healthcare plan is socialist.
We have different takes on the voting public. I think people who take the time to vote are more likely to have an interest in their country and are probably better informed than people who don't vote.
In my warped view of life, I would never describe these voters as an "under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot," just because they support a candidate I don't like. I would never assume that everyone who votes for a particular candidate is putting party before country. People have a variety of reasons for supporting their candidate, or opposing a candidate.
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How would you characterize the situation?
We have 8 years of failed policy--foreign and domestic--under Bush, and McCain is running on the same platform.
How would you frame the phenomenon that people have been through 8 years of failure, and McCain offers 4 more years of the same policies there are people that want that?
Would you think that is indicative of well thoughout decisions by the voters or would you characterize that as willful stupidity?
Isn't the cliche' definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
Just goes to show you who is really running the country and polls and the election. It has all ready been decided who the next President will be.
No one in their right mind would vote for McCain. However, he will be the next President.
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This whole Pig story has passed beyond obsurdity. Even the people who always talk about sticking to the issues have made this thread 5 pages long. Welcome to politics, Entertainment Tonight style.
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I've called Obama a quasi-socialist. I've never said or implied that anyone voting for Obama is a socialist.
We disagree on whether Obama's healthcare plan is socialist.
Beach Bum, who votes for socialist politicians? Rightwingers? Or socialists?
We have different takes on the voting public. I think people who take the time to vote are more likely to have an interest in their country and are probably better informed than people who don't vote.
Yes, I recall the 2004 republican convention where all delegates wore bandaids with little purple heart insignias along with flipflops. A well informed crowd indeed.
In my warped view of life, I would never describe these voters as an "under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot," just because they support a candidate I don't like. I would never assume that everyone who votes for a particular candidate is putting party before country. People have a variety of reasons for supporting their candidate, or opposing a candidate.
I'm not assuming anything like you are. I'm pointing out that support for McCain is support for Bush-style of governance. That governance has resulted in the worst foreign policy blunder in American history, doubling the national debt, spying on americans, supporting torture and on and on.
Yet here are the McCain voters--ignoring the very real destructive results of Bush's policies--voting for their guy.
Repeating failed policies and hoping for different results is not only insane, it is willful stupidity.
Would you care to point out the difference btn McCain's 2008 platform and Bush's 2004 platform?
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Beach Bum, who votes for socialist politicians? Rightwingers? Or socialists?
Yes, I recall the 2004 republican convention where all delegates wore bandaids with little purple heart insignias along with flipflops. A well informed crowd indeed.
I'm not assuming anything like you are. I'm pointing out that support for McCain is support for Bush-style of governance. That governance has resulted in the worst foreign policy blunder in American history, doubling the national debt, spying on americans, supporting torture and on and on.
Yet here are the McCain voters--ignoring the very real destructive results of Bush's policies--voting for their guy.
Repeating failed policies and hoping for different results is not only insane, it is willful stupidity.
Would you care to point out the difference btn McCain's 2008 platform and Bush's 2004 platform?
There are more than "rightwingers" and "socialists" voting in this election. I'm sure there will be independents and Republicans voting for the quasi-socialist in November. That doesn't make those voters socialist. I have a friend who is an admitted socialist who is voting for Obama and a friend who is conservative (but not a "rightwinger") who is voting for Obama. You have professed "Republicans" on the board saying they will vote for Obama.
Are you that much of a partisan that you have to insult an entire group of convention attendees? As if both parties don't have fringe elements?
I haven't done a comparison of the Bush 2004 and McCain 2008 platforms. Do you have a link?
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There are more than "rightwingers" and "socialists" voting in this election. I'm sure there will be independents and Republicans voting for the quasi-socialist in November. That doesn't make those voters socialist. I have a friend who is an admitted socialist who is voting for Obama and a friend who is conservative (but not a "rightwinger") who is voting for Obama. You have professed "Republicans" on the board saying they will vote for Obama.
Are you that much of a partisan that you have to insult an entire group of convention attendees? As if both parties don't have fringe elements?
I haven't done a comparison of the Bush 2004 and McCain 2008 platforms. Do you have a link?
"Quasi-socialist"...that's cute.
The Bush track record speaks for itself. According to his platform, McCain is going to continue that record. Anyone choosing McCain is putting party ahead of country.
At the 2004 convention, the entire herd was wearing the 'purple hearts' and flipflops. It's not partisan to point out herdlike mentality and acts.
Here's one link of many sites illustrating the the sameness of Bush/McCain:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/03/12/mccain/index1.html
(http://midwestpoet.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/bush_dailymirror_dumb_people.jpg)
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"Quasi-socialist"...that's cute.
The Bush track record speaks for itself. According to his platform, McCain is going to continue that record. Anyone choosing McCain is putting party ahead of country.
At the 2004 convention, the entire herd was wearing the 'purple hearts' and flipflops. It's not partisan to point out herdlike mentality and acts.
Here's one link of many sites illustrating the the sameness of Bush/McCain:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/03/12/mccain/index1.html
(http://midwestpoet.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/bush_dailymirror_dumb_people.jpg)
Decker I can't believe you are saying anyone who votes for McCain "is putting party ahead of country." That assumes that no Democrats or independents will vote for McCain. It also assumes that every Republican who is voting for McCain is doing so solely because McCain is a Republican.
I don't recall all of the delegates wearing flip-flops at the 2004 convention. I guess it's possible, but I don't believe that. Sounds like an overstatement.
I read the link. Thanks. It says McCain agrees with Bush on Iraq, tax cuts, and NAFTA. Not exactly a mirror image.
I was watching Larry King last night and here is what Ari Fleischer had to say:
FLEISCHER: I think very close. I think the key for Obama is to do just what Arianna is trying to do, which is link John McCain to George Bush.
But having worked for George Bush, Larry, all I can tell us is John was a regular thorn in our side on a lot of issues. On global warming, he opposed George Bush. The treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, he opposed George Bush. He's for stem cell research.
If John McCain is George Bush, then I'm Arianna Huffington. There is no connection. I think it's far-fetched. People say he voted with Bush 90 percent of the time. Half of those were JOHN journal votes and other meaningless votes that the Senate takes all the time.
John has brought this so such a close election because he is so independent. He is a maverick. And he's really got the Obama people off stride because he's re-enforcing that message with Sarah Palin.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/10/lkl.01.html
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I haven't done a comparison of the Bush 2004 and McCain 2008 platforms. Do you have a link?
Coming right up! Check out the Youtube video below: The similarities are uncanny. Same shit... different election!
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Voting for Bush in 2000 was understandable in my opinion.
Voting for Bush in 2004 was completely irresponsible, the people who re-elected him did this country a great disservice.
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Voting for Bush in 2000 was understandable in my opinion.
Voting for Bush in 2004 was completely irresponsible, the people who re-elected him did this country a great disservice.
And voting for a continuation of his policies in 2008 is like committing suicide.
There's a reason they call you OUT in baseball after 3 strikes.
But unlike baseball, ...you won't get another go at bat. It's the bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, the bases are loaded you're 3 runs behind, and you're up at bat. Your choices are... Pop fly McCain ... or Grand Slam Obama.
Mess it up this time, ...and it's game over. You will be fully deserving of the country you end up with!
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And voting for a continuation of his policies in 2008 is like committing suicide.
There's a reason they call you OUT in baseball after 3 strikes.
But unlike baseball, ...you won't get another go at bat. It's the bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, the bases are loaded you're 3 runs behind, and you're up at bat. Your choices are... Pop fly McCain ... or Grand Slam Obama.
Mess it up this time, ...and it's game over. You will be fully deserving of the country you end up with!
And, what happens if we "mess it up this time"? Are you and the other non-Americans are going to hold your breaths and turn blue?
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And, what happens if we "mess it up this time"? Are you and the other non-Americans are going to hold your breaths and turn blue?
no. but the dollar will likely collapse. hope you're ready for the caveman ages to return.
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no. but the dollar will likely collapse. hope you're ready for the caveman ages to return.
The dollar's problems have little to do with who's in the White House.
Coming right up! Check out the Youtube video below: The similarities are uncanny. Same shit... different election!
And, if the Dems don't get their heads out their behind, it will yield the same results: Another LOSS for another tax-and-spend liberal.
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Another LOSS for another tax-and-spend liberal.
As opposed to the borrow and spend even more Cocksucking Repugs?
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Its a major overexaggeration to say that McCain is Bush III. Yes there are some similarities but historic differences as well. The big question is how much do you want to be controlled and regulated by the government. McCain can make a lot of changes without increasing government control and power. McCain swung more to the right to secure the repub base, but historically he has been more independent...whereas, Obama has always been to the left of the democratic party. We really don't know exactly what either of them will end up doing so you vote on record, personality, character and general philosophies. Many things will change as soon as they get to the white house.
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Its a major overexaggeration to say that McCain is Bush III. Yes there are some similarities but historic differences as well. The big question is how much do you want to be controlled and regulated by the government.
No, ...the big question how much do you want to be controlled and regulated by Saudi sheiks, Iraqi warmongers, Zaire & Nigerian dictators, Somali warlords etc., etc., ...because these are the ones who worked for McCains campaign for free. Do you think these guys did that out of the goodness of their hearts because they are true conservatives who want to see conservative evangelical christian values triumph, ...or do you think they want something out of the deal if he becomes president? What happens when they finally decide they want to be paid.
McCain can make a lot of changes without increasing government control and power.
Of course he can. He won't need any more government power, nor would he want it,
...he'd have Presidential power thanks to Bush/Cheney, and would seek to curtail any government oversight.
McCain swung more to the right to secure the repub base, but historically he has been more independent...whereas, Obama has always been to the left of the democratic party.
So what you're saying is that McCain will blow anyway the wind does?
We really don't know exactly what either of them will end up doing so you vote on record, personality, character and general philosophies. Many things will change as soon as they get to the white house.
We don't know what McCain would do other than to extend more warfare, more unemployment, and more crappy economy. He's already exhibited he is just another paid prostitute ...'cept it's the USA and the entire free world that will be fvcked. He's got bad judgement, and he's a selfish senile old coot. I don't know what it's going to take short of a major heart attack or stroke on the campaign trail to wake up many of you right wing types to realize the danger he & his decisions pose for America and the world.
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Jaguar do you ever make any observation that isn't spoon fed to you from a left-wing blog or that you didnt invent out of thin air because you "think" you know whats going on?
Actually, my question is this- In the history of mankind has any liberal ever done anything wrong politically or personally? Thats all. No strings attached. Just a simple question.
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Bump for answer. Didn't think so.
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Decker I can't believe you are saying anyone who votes for McCain "is putting party ahead of country." That assumes that no Democrats or independents will vote for McCain. It also assumes that every Republican who is voting for McCain is doing so solely because McCain is a Republican.
I don't recall all of the delegates wearing flip-flops at the 2004 convention. I guess it's possible, but I don't believe that. Sounds like an overstatement.
I read the link. Thanks. It says McCain agrees with Bush on Iraq, tax cuts, and NAFTA. Not exactly a mirror image.
I was watching Larry King last night and here is what Ari Fleischer had to say:
FLEISCHER: I think very close. I think the key for Obama is to do just what Arianna is trying to do, which is link John McCain to George Bush.
But having worked for George Bush, Larry, all I can tell us is John was a regular thorn in our side on a lot of issues. On global warming, he opposed George Bush. The treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, he opposed George Bush. He's for stem cell research.
If John McCain is George Bush, then I'm Arianna Huffington. There is no connection. I think it's far-fetched. People say he voted with Bush 90 percent of the time. Half of those were JOHN journal votes and other meaningless votes that the Senate takes all the time.
John has brought this so such a close election because he is so independent. He is a maverick. And he's really got the Obama people off stride because he's re-enforcing that message with Sarah Palin.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/10/lkl.01.html
You make far too many assumptions with your with your assessment of the argument. You are restating the matter at hand when it doesn't need to be restated to account for your assumptions.
The opinion of Ari Fleischer is irrelevant. That jackass lied with impunity and answered critics by warning them to watch what they say.
I'll look at the issues instead. On that point, the only way McCain is 'independent' is if the Bush administration never existed. They are damn near identical. Only McCain is even more likely to use military force in foreign affairs. http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/28/bush_mccain/
McCain's 2008 platfor is Bush's 2004 platform:
Iraq--more resources with an open ended commitment
Taxes--the more tax cuts across the board, the better
Soc. Sec--privatization
Prisoner interrogation--torture
Foreign policy: fight the terrorists in IRAQ so we don't fight them here;
Domestic policy: tax cuts, deregulation and staunch abortion/gun allegiance.
Voting for Bush's 3rd term for whatever reason is putting party/selfinterest ahead of country. We've seen the Bush policies in action and they are disasterous.
What do you think? Those policies got better with age?
McCain: “On The Transcendent Issues, The Most Important Issues Of Our Day, I Have Been Totally In Agreement And Support Of President Bush.” In a June 2005 interview on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” John McCain stated that he was a strong supporter of President Bush: “I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I have been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. So have we had some disagreements on some issues—particularly domestic issues? Yes. But I will argue my conservative record voting with anyone’s, and I will also submit that my support for President Bush has been active and very impassioned on issues that are important to the American people. And I’m particularly talking about the war on terror, the war in Iraq, national security, national defense, support of men and women in the military, fiscal discipline, a number of other issues. So I strongly disagree with any assertion that I’ve been more at odds with the president of the United States than I have been in agreement with him.” [NBC, “Meet The Press,” 6/19/05]
McCain: Bush Is Just As Great A Leader As I Would Be. Chris Matthews: “Is he as good as you?” McCain: “Of course.” Chris Matthews: “Is he as good a leader as you’d be today?” McCain: “I’m sure he is. Yes. I don’t — I couldn’t compare myself to the president of the United States.” [MSNBC, 2/25/04]
McCain To Bush: “I Am Proud Of The Job You Are Doing.” McCain has also acted as a voice of support for the President personally, as he recounted. “I said, ‘… I’m proud of the job you are doing, and I wanted you to know that I will continue to do what I can to help.’” The New York Times reported that “Bush and Senator John McCain of Arizona are building a deepening if impersonal relationship that is serving the political needs of both men.” [New York Times, 7/3/06; Washington Post, 7/10/06]
McCain: I Will Defend George Bush’s Record. “I am proud of President Bush’s record on defense. And I will defend President Bush’s record.” [Fox News, 5/12/04]
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'Lipstick on a pig' is a common thing to say when refering to something windowdressed. Get it right, Gi-Joe.
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no. but the dollar will likely collapse. hope you're ready for the caveman ages to return.
hahahahahahah stfu drama queen ;D
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According to 240 ( who is a phony independent that claims hes never voted democrat) America is on the verge of collapse, the dollar is going to be worth less than the paper its printed on and all the nations of the world are going to collaborate with Al-Queda and invade the country. Dont worry 240, I'm sure the new Euro-Queda regime will need a boot licking lackey around to tell them how smart and good looking they are. If American society collapses, you'll do OK.
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You make far too many assumptions with your with your assessment of the argument. You are restating the matter at hand when it doesn't need to be restated to account for your assumptions.
The opinion of Ari Fleischer is irrelevant. That jackass lied with impunity and answered critics by warning them to watch what they say.
I'll look at the issues instead. On that point, the only way McCain is 'independent' is if the Bush administration never existed. They are damn near identical. Only McCain is even more likely to use military force in foreign affairs. http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/28/bush_mccain/
McCain's 2008 platfor is Bush's 2004 platform:
Iraq--more resources with an open ended commitment
Taxes--the more tax cuts across the board, the better
Soc. Sec--privatization
Prisoner interrogation--torture
Foreign policy: fight the terrorists in IRAQ so we don't fight them here;
Domestic policy: tax cuts, deregulation and staunch abortion/gun allegiance.
Voting for Bush's 3rd term for whatever reason is putting party/selfinterest ahead of country. We've seen the Bush policies in action and they are disasterous.
What do you think? Those policies got better with age?
McCain: “On The Transcendent Issues, The Most Important Issues Of Our Day, I Have Been Totally In Agreement And Support Of President Bush.” In a June 2005 interview on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” John McCain stated that he was a strong supporter of President Bush: “I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I have been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. So have we had some disagreements on some issues—particularly domestic issues? Yes. But I will argue my conservative record voting with anyone’s, and I will also submit that my support for President Bush has been active and very impassioned on issues that are important to the American people. And I’m particularly talking about the war on terror, the war in Iraq, national security, national defense, support of men and women in the military, fiscal discipline, a number of other issues. So I strongly disagree with any assertion that I’ve been more at odds with the president of the United States than I have been in agreement with him.” [NBC, “Meet The Press,” 6/19/05]
McCain: Bush Is Just As Great A Leader As I Would Be. Chris Matthews: “Is he as good as you?” McCain: “Of course.” Chris Matthews: “Is he as good a leader as you’d be today?” McCain: “I’m sure he is. Yes. I don’t — I couldn’t compare myself to the president of the United States.” [MSNBC, 2/25/04]
McCain To Bush: “I Am Proud Of The Job You Are Doing.” McCain has also acted as a voice of support for the President personally, as he recounted. “I said, ‘… I’m proud of the job you are doing, and I wanted you to know that I will continue to do what I can to help.’” The New York Times reported that “Bush and Senator John McCain of Arizona are building a deepening if impersonal relationship that is serving the political needs of both men.” [New York Times, 7/3/06; Washington Post, 7/10/06]
McCain: I Will Defend George Bush’s Record. “I am proud of President Bush’s record on defense. And I will defend President Bush’s record.” [Fox News, 5/12/04]
I didn't make any assumptions. I quoted you. And instead of drawing inferences from your quotes, I asked you to clarify. It sounds like I have a higher opinion of people who disagree with me than you do. You've had your nose buried in those law books too long. :)
Ari Fleischer irrelevant? He knows what was going on in the White House better than either of us. His comments are consistent with what many others have said. In fact, when McCain was closing in on the nomination, there were a number of people on this board who called McCain a "liberal." A number of conservative talking heads called McCain a liberal. I don't recall anyone ever calling Bush a liberal.
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Jaguar do you ever make any observation that isn't spoon fed to you from a left-wing blog or that you didnt invent out of thin air because you "think" you know whats going on?
Actually, my question is this- In the history of mankind has any liberal ever done anything wrong politically or personally? Thats all. No strings attached. Just a simple question.
yes, ...but not as often as those $hit for brains republicans :D
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Hahaha. I'll send them a $100 more if he really says that.
Get your checkbook out baby! :P You can send that $100 into Obama for me since I can't do it myself.
Barack Obama on Letterman
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According to 240 ( who is a phony independent that claims hes never voted democrat) America is on the verge of collapse, the dollar is going to be worth less than the paper its printed on and all the nations of the world are going to collaborate with Al-Queda and invade the country. Dont worry 240, I'm sure the new Euro-Queda regime will need a boot licking lackey around to tell them how smart and good looking they are.
240 will probably be happy to know that BeachBum won't be suffering from unemployment in such a scenario.
Rob would be very sad to see such a gifted sycophant like Beachbum wasteing away with no one to fellate.
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OK, as long as we are clear on that.
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Decker I can't believe you are saying anyone who votes for McCain "is putting party ahead of country." That assumes that no Democrats or independents will vote for McCain. It also assumes that every Republican who is voting for McCain is doing so solely because McCain is a Republican.
There are the assumptions you added to twist the argument. Those assumptions are not needed to conclude that McCain is a repeat of failed Bush policies.
Arie Fleischer irrelevant?
I go to the trouble of comparing the identical platforms of Bush and Big Mac and you thrust a character witness into the mix?
Yes, Fleischer is irrelevant.
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There are the assumptions you added to twist the argument. Those assumptions are not needed to conclude that McCain is a repeat of failed Bush policies.
I go to the trouble of comparing the identical platforms of Bush and Big Mac and you thrust a character witness into the mix?
Yes, Fleischer is irrelevant.
Dude. Do you read your own posts? Here you are categorizing all McCain voters:
"Are all McCain voters...." What? I'll take a flier at it. No all McCain voters are not dumb. They are all incredibly selfish though b/c they ignore the dismal failure of the Bush/McCain policies in order to support their own wedge issues---abortion, guns, hate democrats, support their guy no matter how dangerously incompetent he/she may be...
In my warped view of life, country comes before party. Too bad the republicans can't understand that when voting for president.
Here you say anyone who votes for McCain is putting party ahead of country:
Anyone choosing McCain is putting party ahead of country.
Now what assumption did I made what exactly did I twist?
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Dude. Do you read your own posts? Here you are categorizing all McCain voters:
Here you say anyone who votes for McCain is putting party ahead of country:
Now what assumption did I made what exactly did I twist?
You add democrats or independents to the mix. If one votes republican, then for the election, that person is a republican.
McCain is a Bush third term. Bush is a failure as president. Anyone voting for Big Mac is voting for more failure. Anyone voting for more failure is willfully hurting this country. Why would anyone hurt the country they live in on purpose? Sounds pretty damn stupid to me.
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lol... i've never voted dem in my life, and I don't plan to, ever.
i just am not thrilled with the republican option at the moment.
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You add democrats or independents to the mix. If one votes republican, then for the election, that person is a republican.
McCain is a Bush third term. Bush is a failure as president. Anyone voting for Big Mac is voting for more failure. Anyone voting for more failure is willfully hurting this country. Why would anyone hurt the country they live in on purpose? Sounds pretty damn stupid to me.
That's a difficult thing to say.
Let me ask you these questions...
What is the most important issue to you at the moment?
What can the President directly do to fix that issue?
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lol... i've never voted dem in my life, and I don't plan to, ever.
stupid, stupid man
you have lost your sense of open-mindedness at such a young age
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You add democrats or independents to the mix. If one votes republican, then for the election, that person is a republican.
McCain is a Bush third term. Bush is a failure as president. Anyone voting for Big Mac is voting for more failure. Anyone voting for more failure is willfully hurting this country. Why would anyone hurt the country they live in on purpose? Sounds pretty damn stupid to me.
Now that's a new one. Anyone who votes for a Republican is a Republican. Certainly a minority opinion.
You can’t really fault me for taking your words at face value, instead of the unique interpretation you have of voters.
Why would anyone vote for a candidate who represents more than 40 years of failure? The Democrats had control of Congress for decades and did not do so hot. Obama represents the most liberal wing of the old guard. He's not going to "change" anything. Democrats might as well run Ted Kennedy. What Obama brings to the table is the same old liberal policies that will drive us deeper into debt and help divide the country through class warfare.
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Now that's a new one. Anyone who votes for a Republican is a Republican. Certainly a minority opinion.
You can’t really fault me for taking your words at face value, instead of the unique interpretation you have of voters.
Why would anyone vote for a candidate who represents more than 40 years of failure? The Democrats had control of Congress for decades and did not do so hot. Obama represents the most liberal wing of the old guard. He's not going to "change" anything. Democrats might as well run Ted Kennedy. What Obama brings to the table is the same old liberal policies that will drive us deeper into debt and help divide the country through class warfare.
Fair enough to believe that, but what is McCain doing that's any different?
Do you not see that the Republican party is also running us deeper in debt in government programs, they're just not taxing anyone to pay for them.
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Now that's a new one. Anyone who votes for a Republican is a Republican....
You're right. Anyone voting republican for an election is really a democrat or an independent.
How foolish of me to think that a person voting R might be an R.
Why would anyone vote for a candidate who represents more than 40 years of failure? The Democrats had control of Congress for decades and did not do so hot. Obama represents the most liberal wing of the old guard. He's not going to "change" anything. Democrats might as well run Ted Kennedy. What Obama brings to the table is the same old liberal policies that will drive us deeper into debt and help divide the country through class warfare.
According to his platform, you remember issues right?, Obama offers up some big ideas CHANGE--out of Iraq, UHC, targeted tax cuts etc. The democrats have had congress for about 2 years. You referece 40 years of failure--can you quantify that? Tell me, Are you still pissed about the teapot dome scandal as well?
McCain offers more Bush....hahahaha and not just Palin.
Remember Beach Bum, it was solid liberal policies that saved this country back in FDR's time. It was only after big business truly corrupted the process did our government become a pale image of its former glory. The biggest apostatic failures of course were Reagan and Bush.
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That's a difficult thing to say.
Let me ask you these questions...
What is the most important issue to you at the moment?
What can the President directly do to fix that issue?
Iraq and energy.
The pres as commander in chief could decide not to initiate any more foriegn wars. The pres could wrap up the Iraq disaster instead of prolonging it.
Instead of holding secret meetings with Big Energy to set the country's energy policy, the pres. could lead the country into the arena of alternative fuels.
I'll try to answer more thoroughly later. The inlaws are coming over right now,.
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Fair enough to believe that, but what is McCain doing that's any different?
Do you not see that the Republican party is also running us deeper in debt in government programs, they're just not taxing anyone to pay for them.
All you have to do is look at McCain's history. He doesn't toe the party line. He reportedly almost left the Republican party several years back. He's not a Bush clone.
Both parties have been irresponsible when it comes to government spending.
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All you have to do is look at McCain's history. He doesn't toe the party line. He reportedly almost left the Republican party several years back. He's not a Bush clone.
Both parties have been irresponsible when it comes to government spending.
Since 2000, I'd wager he has voted a lot more FOR the party than against it... The 2000 McCain I really liked... The 2K8 version, not so much.
What has he done LATELY, that is against the grain.
He's going to the neo-con base just like Bush did... Why do you think he would be different?
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'Lipstick on a pig' is a common thing to say when refering to something windowdressed. Get it right, Gi-Joe.
We know that. It’s all about timing. Obama made that statement, just days after Palin’s instantly-popularized joke about LIPSTICK being the difference between hockey mom and pitbulls.
Add to that, the reaction of Obama’s audience to his statement and it’s not that hard to suspect that, whether Obama intended to do so or not, such a statement was aimed at the governor from Alaska.
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We know that. It’s all about timing. Obama made that statement, just days after Palin’s instantly-popularized joke about LIPSTICK being the difference between hockey mom and pitbulls.
Add to that, the reaction of Obama’s audience to his statement and it’s not that hard to suspect that, whether Obama intended to do so or not, such a statement was aimed at the governor from Alaska.
As Obama stated... EVEN IF that was the case... (which it wasn't).
She was the lipstick, not the pig.
;)
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As Obama stated... EVEN IF that was the case... (which it wasn't).
She was the lipstick, not the pig.
;)
The point, of course, is that the statement was ill-timed at best, and just plain DUMB, at worst.
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The point, of course, is that the statement was ill-timed at best, and just plain DUMB, at worst.
I don't see why anyone would want to change their general speech pattern just because it's a certain week.
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Since 2000, I'd wager he has voted a lot more FOR the party than against it... The 2000 McCain I really liked... The 2K8 version, not so much.
What has he done LATELY, that is against the grain.
He's going to the neo-con base just like Bush did... Why do you think he would be different?
I bet he always voted with Republicans more often than not. That isn't saying much.
He sounds okay to me. Based on his history, I think he will try and do the right thing, whether the "right thing" is consistent with his party or not. He's not a puppet.
He's also far more experience than Obama and will make a much better Commander in Chief than Obama.