Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'

[240 is Back]

I seriously don't think he said to offend anyone....but it does show he's too stupid to realize whats comes out of his mouth.

Good take on it.

[Dos Equis]

The notion that Big Mac is even in striking distance of Obama is a testimonial to the intelligence of the herd out there. 

Decker do you think that people who are voting for McCain are less intelligent than you (or anyone voting for Obama)? 

[shootfighter1]

Only Obama can say 100% what he meant by that comment but it appears to me that the right is over-reacting.  A large # of the crowd responded to the comment abnormally so to many in the audience immediately assumed it was a hit on Palin.  So, the only thing we can say with certainty is that it was a poor choice of words since it follows on the heels of Palin's VP nomination speech just referencing lipstick in a punchline.

Its funny how many of you jump on this when there has been so much immature distastefully bullshit written about Palin in the last two weeks that you let slide.  If its wrong (and I agree it is), then its wrong on both sides.  This is what sucks about our politics.  Too much us vs them with the Dems and Repubs.  Illogical bullshit on both sides.

[Decker]

Decker do you think that people who are voting for McCain are less intelligent than you (or anyone voting for Obama)? 

How would you characterize the situation?

We have 8 years of failed policy--foreign and domestic--under Bush, and McCain is running on the same platform.

How would you frame the phenomenon that people have been through 8 years of failure, and McCain offers 4 more years of the same policies there are people that want that?

Would you think that is indicative of well thoughout decisions by the voters or would you characterize that as willful stupidity?

Isn't the cliche' definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

[Dos Equis]

How would you characterize the situation?

We have 8 years of failed policy--foreign and domestic--under Bush, and McCain is running on the same platform.

How would you frame the phenomenon that people have been through 8 years of failure, and McCain offers 4 more years of the same policies there are people that want that?

Would you think that is indicative of well thoughout decisions by the voters or would you characterize that as willful stupidity?

Isn't the cliche' definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

I think a number of people look at the candidates, decide which one can best lead the country, and vote for who they think is the best candidate.  Some vote party line.  Some vote against a candidate.  Some are completely uninformed and simply guess. 

I would never call someone stupid solely because they disagree with me.  That's pretty arrogant.   

But that doesn't answer my question. 

[tu_holmes]

So I guess all the women that took it the same way, are pathetic?

Yes.

[240 is Back]

joan Walsh of salon is pointing out that much of Palin's power comes from her strength and toughness.

And that the more she acts offended and upset, the less tough she appears.

[Decker]

I think a number of people look at the candidates, decide which one can best lead the country, and vote for who they think is the best candidate.  Some vote party line.  Some vote against a candidate.  Some are completely uninformed and simply guess. 

I would never call someone stupid solely because they disagree with me.  That's pretty arrogant.   

But that doesn't answer my question. 

I'm not a touchy-feely guy concerned with the esteem of the american voters.  For the most part, they are an under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot.

If you want to call that 'arrogance' then go ahead.  These voters are narrow-minded enough to let their personal wedge issues dictate their support even if it hurts the country.  Does that sound broad-minded to you?

Do I think I'm smarter than these Bush supporters?  How the hell do I know?  But when I see a patently stupid move--like voting for McCain--I can't say, "Well Biff, everyone's entitled to their own opinion" or "Everyone should vote their conscience" or "at least I'm stepping up to the plate to do my civic duty...."

I have no respect for that decision.  Good people can disagree and stupid people can vote for a candidate "of change" running on Bush's platform from 2004.

[240 is Back]

Obama goes on Letterman tonight to laugh about the nonsense of it lal, and point out that even if it was intended to belittle her, she has it backwards.  Mccain would be the pig, and palin would be the lipstick intended to make the pig (mccain and his positions) look better.

OWNED!

[Dos Equis]

I'm not a touchy-feely guy concerned with the esteem of the american voters.  For the most part, they are an under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot.

If you want to call that 'arrogance' then go ahead.  These voters are narrow-minded enough to let their personal wedge issues dictate their support even if it hurts the country.  Does that sound broad-minded to you?

Do I think I'm smarter than these Bush supporters?  How the hell do I know?  But when I see a patently stupid move--like voting for McCain--I can't say, "Well Biff, everyone's entitled to their own opinion" or "Everyone should vote their conscience" or "at least I'm stepping up to the plate to do my civic duty...."

I have no respect for that decision.  Good people can disagree and stupid people can vote for a candidate "of change" running on Bush's platform from 2004.

Thanks for answering.  Yes, I do consider that pretty arrogant.  Are you saying the majority of all voters or just McCain voters are an "under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot"? 


Are you really assuming that all McCain voters are

[Hugo Chavez]

[tu_holmes]

Exactly.

The Republicans have officially become whining bitches.

[calmus]

Obama goes on Letterman tonight to laugh about the nonsense of it lal, and point out that even if it was intended to belittle her, she has it backwards.  Mccain would be the pig, and palin would be the lipstick intended to make the pig (mccain and his positions) look better.

OWNED!

Hahaha. I'll send them a $100 more if he really says that.

[240 is Back]

Hahaha. I'll send them a $100 more if he really says that.

lol... i'll post the youtube as soon as it's avaiable, late tonight or early tomorrow.  NBC broke that story at 5:00, right after letterman taping at 4.

[calmus]

lol... i'll post the youtube as soon as it's avaiable, late tonight or early tomorrow.  NBC broke that story at 5:00, right after letterman taping at 4.

That would be classic. Axelrod might have the fat bitch Rove's no. after all. 

[24KT]

Hilary didn't use the phrase "They say the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull.........LIPSTICK", just a few days prior to McCain's statement, either.

So ...in essence, ...we have Palin referring to herself as a ...BITCH!
I'm sure the female vote will be happy with that analogy, ...NOT!

ps: There's a reason why that breed of DOG is banned in many areas around the world.  

[calmus]

Anybody know if Obama dusted his shoulders off after he said that McCain('s policies) is the pig.

[MCWAY]

Obama goes on Letterman tonight to laugh about the nonsense of it lal, and point out that even if it was intended to belittle her, she has it backwards.  Mccain would be the pig, and palin would be the lipstick intended to make the pig (mccain and his positions) look better.

OWNED!

Exactly who is Obama owning?

He's losing his cool, slipping in the polls, has his supporters biting their nails, and letting McCain basically do his thing, promoting his policies, while Obama and Biden are affixed on Palin.

So ...in essence, ...we have Palin referring to herself as a ...BITCH!
I'm sure the female vote will be happy with that analogy, ...NOT!

ps: There's a reason why that breed of DOG is banned in many areas around the world.  

You must have a short memory. The women at the RNC (you do realize that female vote doesn't merely consist of liberal women) were cracking it up. In fact, at the rally in Virginia, there were plenty of women with "Read our Lipstick" signs. And last time I checked some of the polls, McCain got a spike in female voters, since adding Palin into the mix.

[w8tlftr]

So ...in essence, ...we have Palin referring to herself as a ...BITCH!
I'm sure the female vote will be happy with that analogy, ...NOT!

ps: There's a reason why that breed of DOG is banned in many areas around the world. 

Don't blame the dog. Blame the asshat owners.

Both parties are asshats for making this an issue.

[Hereford]

Don't blame the dog. Blame the asshat owners.

Sorry. No dice.

That argument doesn't work for gun control or steroids either.

[Decker]

Thanks for answering.  Yes, I do consider that pretty arrogant.  Are you saying the majority of all voters or just McCain voters are an "under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot"? 


Are you really assuming that all McCain voters are

Is that same thing as you and others calling Obama a socialist implying that anyone voting for Obama is a socailist as well?

We've already seen that there isn't a plank in the Obama platform that can be called 'socialism' yet you keep grinding away with the allegation.

"Are all McCain voters...." What?  I'll take a flier at it.  No all McCain voters are not dumb.  They are all incredibly selfish though b/c they ignore the dismal failure of the Bush/McCain policies in order to support their own wedge issues---abortion, guns, hate democrats, support their guy no matter how dangerously incompetent he/she may be...

In my warped view of life, country comes before party.  Too bad the republicans can't understand that when voting for president.

[Dos Equis]

Is that same thing as you and others calling Obama a socialist implying that anyone voting for Obama is a socailist as well?

We've already seen that there isn't a plank in the Obama platform that can be called 'socialism' yet you keep grinding away with the allegation.

"Are all McCain voters...." What?  I'll take a flier at it.  No all McCain voters are not dumb.  They are all incredibly selfish though b/c they ignore the dismal failure of the Bush/McCain policies in order to support their own wedge issues---abortion, guns, hate democrats, support their guy no matter how dangerously incompetent he/she may be...

In my warped view of life, country comes before party.  Too bad the republicans can't understand that when voting for president.

I've called Obama a quasi-socialist.  I've never said or implied that anyone voting for Obama is a socialist. 

We disagree on whether Obama's healthcare plan is socialist. 

We have different takes on the voting public.  I think people who take the time to vote are more likely to have an interest in their country and are probably better informed than people who don't vote. 

In my warped view of life, I would never describe these voters as an "under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot," just because they support a candidate I don't like.  I would never assume that everyone who votes for a particular candidate is putting party before country.  People have a variety of reasons for supporting their candidate, or opposing a candidate.         

[Mark Kerr]

How would you characterize the situation?

We have 8 years of failed policy--foreign and domestic--under Bush, and McCain is running on the same platform.

How would you frame the phenomenon that people have been through 8 years of failure, and McCain offers 4 more years of the same policies there are people that want that?

Would you think that is indicative of well thoughout decisions by the voters or would you characterize that as willful stupidity?

Isn't the cliche' definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

Just goes to show you who is really running the country and polls and the election. It has all ready been decided who the next President will be.

No one in their right mind would vote for McCain. However, he will be the next President.

[Bindare_Dundat]

This whole Pig story has passed beyond obsurdity. Even the people who always talk about sticking to the issues have made this thread 5 pages long. Welcome to politics, Entertainment Tonight style.

[Decker]

I've called Obama a quasi-socialist.  I've never said or implied that anyone voting for Obama is a socialist. 

We disagree on whether Obama's healthcare plan is socialist. 

Beach Bum, who votes for socialist politicians?  Rightwingers?  Or socialists?

We have different takes on the voting public.  I think people who take the time to vote are more likely to have an interest in their country and are probably better informed than people who don't vote.

Yes, I recall the 2004 republican convention where all delegates wore bandaids with little purple heart insignias along with flipflops.  A well informed crowd indeed.

In my warped view of life, I would never describe these voters as an "under-educated, morally bankrupt, lazy lot," just because they support a candidate I don't like.  I would never assume that everyone who votes for a particular candidate is putting party before country.  People have a variety of reasons for supporting their candidate, or opposing a candidate. 

I'm not assuming anything like you are.  I'm pointing out that support for McCain is support for Bush-style of governance.  That governance has resulted in the worst foreign policy blunder in American history, doubling the national debt, spying on americans, supporting torture and on and on.

Yet here are the McCain voters--ignoring the very real destructive results of Bush's policies--voting for their guy.

Repeating failed policies and hoping for different results is not only insane, it is willful stupidity.

Would you care to point out the difference btn McCain's 2008 platform and Bush's 2004 platform?