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racist post reported.
what has this to do with bodybuilding?
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racist post reported.
what has this to do with bodybuilding?
Shoulda happened to the thread starter :D
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racist post reported.
what has this to do with bodybuilding?
IM JUST LETTIN PEOPLE KNOW A COUPLE VIEWS OF OUR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENCY....
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and I am with him 100%
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and I am with him 100%
Stavios is a smart man. i agree.
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Shoulda happened to the thread starter :D
I AGREE!!!!!!
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and I am with him 100%
You agree with letting babies who are born alive outside the mother to starve to death and not allow the doctor to provide treatment and care??????
Some guy you are!
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Have you seen how some women raise their kids? They get knocked up, don't really want the kids but figure "what the hell, why not?" After the kid is born and they realize that babies aren't toys and raising a child is not a game, they resent the child. Verbal, physical abuse and neglect often follow. There aren't enough abortions!!OBAMA, on point yet again. ;D
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Have you seen how some women raise their kids? They get knocked up, don't really want the kids but figure "what the hell, why not?" After the kid is born and they realize that babies aren't toys and raising a child is not a game, they resent the child. Verbal, physical abuse and neglect often follow. There aren't enough abortions!!OBAMA, on point yet again. ;D
exactly the way I see it.
the way I see some "parents"( ::)) acting, I'd hate to think the world could have even more bad parents
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Banks aren't lending, 183 old firms are going out of business, markets allover are down, and you are worried about whether this immaterial issue?
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exactly the way I see it.
the way I see some "parents"( ::)) acting, I'd hate to think the world could have even more bad parents
That is why we have what is called "adoption".
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Palin said in the 06 governors' debate that if her own underage daughter was raped, she'd require by law that she keep the baby.
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have you child murderers ever heard of adoption. >:(
go fvck yourselves >:(
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Palin said in the 06 governors' debate that if her own underage daughter was raped, she'd require by law that she keep the baby.
this kind of thinking is extremely dangerous. someone with views such as that cannot have a chance to become president of the usa. it is absolutely insane
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have you child murderers ever heard of adoption. >:(
go fvck yourselves >:(
Are you fostering a child? How many? How old are the kids?
Hands up everyone who is raising a child that was abandoned?
Those that rail againest abortion in all cases, and scream adoption really should go and adopt and raise an child that has been abandoned. Seriously, there are tons out there in your own back yards. USA has stacks of their own kids who need homes, and there are millions worldwide. People should put their money and their time where their mouth is.
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Starving a child to death is sick. I would beat the shit out of anyone who tried to do something like that.
With that said I hate abortion. You should take responsibility for your actions. But we all no that libs dont believe in that train of thought.
With that said I dont think there should be a law against abortion (early in a pregnancy). It is your choice to make a bad decision.
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Are you fostering a child? How many? How old are the kids?
Hands up everyone who is raising a child that was abandoned?
Those that rail againest abortion in all cases, and scream adoption really should go and adopt and raise an child that has been abandoned. Seriously, there are tons out there in your own back yards. USA has stacks of their own kids who need homes, and there are millions worldwide. People should put their money and their time where their mouth is.
yes you are right, lets just kill them all instead, along with all the junkies, the homeless, the sick, the elderly. ::)
you are going staight to hell
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Palin said in the 06 governors' debate that if her own underage daughter was raped, she'd require by law that she keep the baby.
its the only logical stance you can have if you dont support abortion...think about it if you say yes in some cases and no in others you are qualifying the situation a situation the baby had nothing to do with. Pro life ppl say that its wrong to kill a child so qualifying the situation doesnt change the fact that you are killing a child so logically you are either pro life in all circumstances or pro choice to a certain degree.
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Are you fostering a child? How many? How old are the kids?
Hands up everyone who is raising a child that was abandoned?
Those that rail againest abortion in all cases, and scream adoption really should go and adopt and raise an child that has been abandoned. Seriously, there are tons out there in your own back yards. USA has stacks of their own kids who need homes, and there are millions worldwide. People should put their money and their time where their mouth is.
CQ good train of thought but not thought through b/c as panda pointed out there are plenty of problems that ppl rant and rave about but dont really do much about im sure your guilty of the same thing as i know i am. Some ppl may not be able to afford another child but that doesnt mean they cant have an opinion on the subject.
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I found this interview very compelling.....
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I ignore any videos that come from fox news coach.... They have ZERO credibility...
I agree with Obama.... I don't personally like abortion, but its NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS choice whats right for a woman.... That's rather disrespectful...
Conservatives - want all of us to live their bible thumping life... want us to follow their rules because "GOD" says so...
Liberals - say.. MIND YOUR OWN FUCKIN BUSINESS, worry about your life and not mine...
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I ignore any videos that come from fox news coach.... They have ZERO credibility...
I agree with Obama.... I don't personally like abortion, but its NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS choice whats right for a woman.... That's rather disrespectful...
Conservatives - want all of us to live their bible thumping life... want us to follow their rules because "GOD" says so...
Liberals - say.. MIND YOUR OWN FUCKIN BUSINESS, worry about your life and not mine...
I don't care if you listen to Hannity or Colmes.....just listen to the girl. She survived a late term abortion.
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I ignore any videos that come from fox news coach.... They have ZERO credibility...
I agree with Obama.... I don't personally like abortion, but its NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS choice whats right for a woman.... That's rather disrespectful...
Conservatives - want all of us to live their bible thumping life... want us to follow their rules because "GOD" says so...
Liberals - say.. MIND YOUR OWN FUCKIN BUSINESS, worry about your life and not mine...
Here's where your agrument breaks down. If a human murders another human then you cant just mind your own bussiness. The law states that that person must be punished. What we are talking about here is a child as a sentient bieng who is bieng killed. The fact that these children have no rights are insane in my view. This has nothing to do with religion.
Im sorry but why are their even abortions in this day and age of goodness knows how many forms of birth control and even a day after pill.
I think in 50 years we will look back and see abortion as the biggest human holocuast in history. Even if a woman is raped and gets pregnant (god forbid) that baby is innocent of all wrong doing. Do you kill the child? or do you give it a chance at a life maybe you give it up for adoption.
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I ignore any videos that come from fox news coach.... They have ZERO credibility...
I agree with Obama.... I don't personally like abortion, but its NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS choice whats right for a woman.... That's rather disrespectful...
Conservatives - want all of us to live their bible thumping life... want us to follow their rules because "GOD" says so...
Liberals - say.. MIND YOUR OWN FUCKIN BUSINESS, worry about your life and not mine...
Liberals are pro choice for abortion, but for nothing else. Abortion is a sacrament to liberals, even if it means starving an already born child to death which is what ZERO pushed for. Look it up. ZERO pushed for a barbaric bill forbidding a doctor to help an already born child if the abortion did not work.
Sick.
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i find it quite telling that all the people so passionately against abortion in this thread are males. Don't pretend you understand what it's like for a woman who has made a mistake with some dirtbag and is left saddled with a child to raise on her own. Instead of thumping anti abortion, you should be going after all the loser fathers who leave woman to tend to children on their own. There are too many single parents in America and without abortion it would be staggeringly higher. Until men STEP up and start looking after their children abortion should always be an option.
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Starving a child to death is sick. I would beat the shit out of anyone who tried to do something like that.
With that said I hate abortion. You should take responsibility for your actions. But we all no that libs dont believe in that train of thought.
With that said I dont think there should be a law against abortion (early in a pregnancy). It is your choice to make a bad decision.
where did you hear obama said it was cool to starve a baby to death
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Liberals are pro choice for abortion, but for nothing else. Abortion is a sacrament to liberals, even if it means starving an already born child to death which is what ZERO pushed for. Look it up. ZERO pushed for a barbaric bill forbidding a doctor to help an already born child if the abortion did not work.
Sick.
don't let the facts get in the way of what you want to believe:
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/429328.aspx
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i find it quite telling that all the people so passionately against abortion in this thread are males. Don't pretend you understand what it's like for a woman who has made a mistake with some dirtbag and is left saddled with a child to raise on her own. Instead of thumping anti abortion, you should be going after all the loser fathers who leave woman to tend to children on their own. There are too many single parents in America and without abortion it would be staggeringly higher. Until men STEP up and start looking after their children abortion should always be an option.
It all comes down to accountability and taking responsibility for our actions, which in cases like these fall on the shoulders of the father and the mother. The problem is that there are too many people in this society who have a sense of entitlement, expect handouts, and blame everyone else when they f*** up. This attitude is probably the biggest thing that holds back minorities and poor whites from succeeding, not racism and/or elitism.
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You agree with letting babies who are born alive outside the mother to starve to death and not allow the doctor to provide treatment and care??????
Some guy you are!
I thought Barry wanted healthcare for everyone? Even the most hardcore pro-choice liberal would agree that life begins at birth, so its pretty sick when they vote against bills that would entitle these babies to receive healthcare.
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where did you hear obama said it was cool to starve a baby to death
Barry voted against bills that would require hospitals to provide medical care to babies that survive abortions. There is a young lady who is an abortion survivor who has appeared on a few news shows regarding this issue........
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It all comes down to accountability and taking responsibility for our actions, which in cases like these fall on the shoulders of the father and the mother. The problem is that there are too many people in this society who have a sense of entitlement, expect handouts, and blame everyone else when they f*** up. This attitude is probably the biggest thing that holds back minorities and poor whites from succeeding, not racism and/or elitism.
So you think that if a woman was raped and got pregnant that she had to have the baby?
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i find it quite telling that all the people so passionately against abortion in this thread are males. Don't pretend you understand what it's like for a woman who has made a mistake with some dirtbag and is left saddled with a child to raise on her own. Instead of thumping anti abortion, you should be going after all the loser fathers who leave woman to tend to children on their own. There are too many single parents in America and without abortion it would be staggeringly higher. Until men STEP up and start looking after their children abortion should always be an option.
LOL its equally the fault of the women and men ::) cry me a fuking river ahhh i made the decision to sleep with this duesch bag, i also made the decision to not use protection, i also made the decision to not take the morning after pill...but but but its his fault b/c he wont be there so im gonna get an abortion ahhh cry my a fuking river you made your bed you sleep in that shit. I dont see many women bitching and moaning about the unfairness of divorce settlements, do you?
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I think its so funny... Lets play out the GOP Senerio...
15 year old girl gets pregnant... was ONLY taught NO SEX until you get married!!! OR you go to hell!!! (Palinology 101, worked good in her family)
Now its... YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT!!!!!!!! They go on and on and on...
Parents are disgraced and Kick her out of the house (Palin did this to Bristol, Bristol lives with her Aunt)
She keeps it casue she was scared to "hell" by the warped religious nuts, now... shes 16 scared... no clue what to do... no education, no job, and a baby... goes on Welfare...
GOP... GET THIS LAZY BITCH OFF WELFARE!!!! She gets just enough to barely survive in poverty, and can't further herself, so she works at a gas station making 5.75/hour, no health insurance, cant afford a car, takes the city bus, her child gets raised by gov programs etc... CATCH MY DRIFT?
Conservatives are so worried about the UNBORN, have you ever looked around at the fucking BORN for once??? I dont see them worried about homeless vets, or homeless kids, they worry about IRAQI FREEDOM, and
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LOL its equally the fault of the women and men ::) cry me a fuking river ahhh i made the decision to sleep with this duesch bag, i also made the decision to not use protection, i also made the decision to not take the morning after pill...but but but its his fault b/c he wont be there so im gonna get an abortion ahhh cry my a fuking river you made your bed you sleep in that shit. I dont see many women bitching and moaning about the unfairness of divorce settlements, do you?
lol...laughin at you dudes
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don't let the facts get in the way of what you want to believe:
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/429328.aspx
Of course he is going to say that now that it has been brought out. He is covering his butt because of that brutual procedure he favored.
I am not a pro life nut or anything, but the line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I will send you the proof showing he pushed this and we can compare notes.
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I think its so funny... Lets play out the GOP Senerio...
15 year old girl gets pregnant... was ONLY taught NO SEX until you get married!!! OR you go to hell!!! (Palinology 101, worked good in her family)
Now its... YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT!!!!!!!! They go on and on and on...
Parents are disgraced and Kick her out of the house (Palin did this to Bristol, Bristol lives with her Aunt)
She keeps it casue she was scared to "hell" by the warped religious nuts, now... shes 16 scared... no clue what to do... no education, no job, and a baby... goes on Welfare...
GOP... GET THIS LAZY BITCH OFF WELFARE!!!! She gets just enough to barely survive in poverty, and can't further herself, so she works at a gas station making 5.75/hour, no health insurance, cant afford a car, takes the city bus, her child gets raised by gov programs etc... CATCH MY DRIFT?
Conservatives are so worried about the UNBORN, have you ever looked around at the fucking BORN for once??? I dont see them worried about homeless vets, or homeless kids, they worry about IRAQI FREEDOM, and
spoken for extreme truth that cant be denied
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I dont see many women bitching and moaning about the unfairness of divorce settlements, do you?
LOL ;D
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go ahead big mal point out the false logic i have used my friend or you can just use your
lol...laughin at you dudes
and contribute nothing
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So you think that if a woman was raped and got pregnant that she had to have the baby?
Did I say that? There's a big difference between a woman being raped and making bad decisions. In cases of rape or severe medical issues, it should be an option.
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don't let the facts get in the way of what you want to believe:
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/429328.aspx
Check this out. This is obviously right from the source and clearly contradicts ZERO's nonsense in that thing you posted.
http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000007034.cfm
ZERO is a liar and fraud and it is hard to believe even most pro-choice people would support this brutality.
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waiting big mal...
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go ahead big mal point out the false logic i have used my friend or you can just use your
and contribute nothing
I didnt really want to get it to it because im trying to cram. But I dont think that a bad decision should haunt you for life. A 15 year old who is horney as shit and dosent do the "pull out move" or a chick lies to him and says "im on the pill" could have his whole life swept from under him. im not cool with that. It kills me because the GOP is supposed to be for less Government involvement and to me it seems like all you want to do is monitor peoples lifestyle..Abortion, Gay Marriage etc...
So that kid who has a baby wayyy to young or had an unplanned baby with no skills or isnt prepared to take care of a puppy let alone is just forced to grow up (which rarely happens ) and because of lack of skills and lack of income the kid gets on welfare...so either way GOP looks down on him, so might as well have the abortion and not be a drain instead of trying to raise a kid with nothing.
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Check this out. This is obviously right from the source and clearly contradicts ZERO's nonsense in that thing you posted.
http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000007034.cfm
ZERO is a liar and fraud and it is hard to believe even most pro-choice people would support this brutality.
That video is from the Christian Broadcasting Network and it's the Candidate telling you in his own words
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I didnt really want to get it to it because im trying to cram. But I dont think that a bad decision should haunt you for life. A 15 year old who is horney as shit and dosent do the "pull out move" or a chick lies to him and says "im on the pill" could have his whole life swept from under him. im not cool with that. It kills me because the GOP is supposed to be for less Government involvement and to me it seems like all you want to do is monitor peoples lifestyle..Abortion, Gay Marriage etc...
So that kid who has a baby wayyy to young or had an unplanned baby with no skills or isnt prepared to take care of a puppy let alone is just forced to grow up (which rarely happens ) and because of lack of skills and lack of income the kid gets on welfare...so either way GOP looks down on him, so might as well have the abortion and not be a drain instead of trying to raise a kid with nothing.
LOL im publicly pro choice but would not want an abortion in my private life so you can throw that GOP horse shit out the window if you are referring to me at all.
you havent reffered to any of my post so why the laughing at you dudes comment? seems like you misspoke.
LOL so every teenage child who gets pregnant ends up on welfare? Like if you have one abortion then you should know and shouldnt be allowed two.
What about the liberal double standard of being ok with abortion but against the death penalty...LOL that doesnt seem wrong?
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I think its so funny... Lets play out the GOP Senerio...
15 year old girl gets pregnant... was ONLY taught NO SEX until you get married!!! OR you go to hell!!! (Palinology 101, worked good in her family)
Now its... YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT!!!!!!!! They go on and on and on...
Parents are disgraced and Kick her out of the house (Palin did this to Bristol, Bristol lives with her Aunt)
She keeps it casue she was scared to "hell" by the warped religious nuts, now... shes 16 scared... no clue what to do... no education, no job, and a baby... goes on Welfare...
GOP... GET THIS LAZY BITCH OFF WELFARE!!!! She gets just enough to barely survive in poverty, and can't further herself, so she works at a gas station making 5.75/hour, no health insurance, cant afford a car, takes the city bus, her child gets raised by gov programs etc... CATCH MY DRIFT?
Conservatives are so worried about the UNBORN, have you ever looked around at the fucking BORN for once??? I dont see them worried about homeless vets, or homeless kids, they worry about IRAQI FREEDOM, and
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LOL jag are you one of those who are for abortion but against the death penalty?
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That video is from the Christian Broadcasting Network and it's the Candidate telling you in his own words
And he a lying through his teeth based upon eyewitness testimony I provided you from actually occurred.
ZERO knows he is dead meat on this issue and the article I sent you was from eyewitnesses at the time who testified before the state senate when this was debated.
ZERO is a liar about this issue just like he is about everything else. Rev. Wright, Ayeres, etc etc.
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LOL im publicly pro choice but would not want an abortion in my private life so you can throw that GOP horse shit out the window if you are referring to me at all.
you havent reffered to any of my post so why the laughing at you dudes comment? seems like you misspoke.
LOL so every teenage child who gets pregnant ends up on welfare? Like if you have one abortion then you should know and shouldnt be allowed two.
What about the liberal double standard of being ok with abortion but against the death penalty...LOL that doesnt seem wrong?
Jesus h christ...
I never personally criticize any ones personal view of a topic. So when i say GOP i mean as a whole cha cha...
The laughin at you dudes comment was just expressing how the viewpoints of GOP humor me///
I dont know the numbers about teen preganacies and welfare. But no i didnt say evey kid that has a kid gets on welfare. Please be smart chief...no one works in absolutes per situations like that..but more times than not. In America if someone cant take care of a kid they get on welfere...
About the double standard, cant that be inverted and used against the GOP?
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Jesus h christ...
I never personally criticize any ones personal view of a topic. So when i say GOP i mean as a whole cha cha...
The laughin at you dudes comment was just expressing how the viewpoints of GOP humor me///
I dont know the numbers about teen preganacies and welfare. But no i didnt say evey kid that has a kid gets on welfare. Please be smart chief...no one works in absolutes per situations like that..but more times than not. In America if someone cant take care of a kid they get on welfere...
About the double standard, cant that be inverted and used against the GOP?
lol at the lets be smart comment...and the not generalizing but then generalizing me with the rest of the GOP...real smart
About the double standard not really no, you see the ppl being put to death with the death penalty have been convicted of a crime so they have been proven guilty of an action that warrants the death penalty. The children killed in abortions are innocent and have not been convicted of anything so NO this double standard cant really be turned around in this instance. Again what are your thoughts on this liberal double standard?
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lol at the lets be smart comment...and the not generalizing but then generalizing me with the rest of the GOP...real smart
About the double standard not really no, you see the ppl being put to death with the death penalty have been convicted of a crime so they have been proven guilty of an action that warrants the death penalty. The children killed in abortions are innocent and have not been convicted of anything so NO this double standard cant really be turned around in this instance. Again what are your thoughts on this liberal double standard?
Na cha cha...i didnt say generalize...i said absolute...again be smart...
And actually as a party, the GOP is Anti Abortion......yes...be smart
Im not Anti death penalty so i dont know what goes through the minds of people who who say abortion is a choice and are anti death penalty
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Na cha cha...i didnt say generalize...i said absolute...again be smart...
And actually as a party, the GOP is Anti Abortion......yes...be smart
Im not Anti death penalty so i dont know what goes through the minds of people who who say abortion is a choice and are anti death penalty
well im not publicly pro life so be smart and not every GOP member is anti abortion so be smart and nice way to avoid answering the question.
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well im not publicly pro life so be smart and not every GOP member is anti abortion so be smart and nice way to avoid answering the question.
you=tard...i said as a party GOP=anti abortion and didnt i say earlier that we dont work in absolutes...
Little lesson on the term Absolutes as per to this conversation.
Absolute is = all, every, none etc... Social matters, absolutes are rarely used
"As a Party"= isnt the same as an absolutle...
Per the Avoid the question comment. One who dosent share the same view of another would be hard pressed to explain the view of that other person.
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this thread is classic example of one issue voters
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this thread is classic example of one issue voters
im not that at all. i dont really care about abortion...i care about war, economy and healthcare..in that order....end of war takes some strain off economy
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I think its so funny... Lets play out the GOP Senerio...
15 year old girl gets pregnant... was ONLY taught NO SEX until you get married!!! OR you go to hell!!! (Palinology 101, worked good in her family)
Now its... YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT!!!!!!!! They go on and on and on...
Parents are disgraced and Kick her out of the house (Palin did this to Bristol, Bristol lives with her Aunt)
She keeps it casue she was scared to "hell" by the warped religious nuts, now... shes 16 scared... no clue what to do... no education, no job, and a baby... goes on Welfare...
GOP... GET THIS LAZY BITCH OFF WELFARE!!!! She gets just enough to barely survive in poverty, and can't further herself, so she works at a gas station making 5.75/hour, no health insurance, cant afford a car, takes the city bus, her child gets raised by gov programs etc... CATCH MY DRIFT?
Conservatives are so worried about the UNBORN, have you ever looked around at the fucking BORN for once??? I dont see them worried about homeless vets, or homeless kids, they worry about IRAQI FREEDOM, and
This scenario is rediculous. First how many parents these days kick their child out of the house like you talk about? I lean more repuplican and so is a vast majority of people I associate with. No one I would know would do this. You are generalizing. Also in what state can parents make you keep it? You can get confidential abortions without the parents ever knowing.
So hypothetically if she didnt use birth control, didnt use the day after pill and her parents are "making her her keep it alive" why the hell coudlnt she give the child up for adoption rather than killing it? I dont wanna get fat and go through pain for 3-18 hours so I will just kill it.
Heres the other thing smart guy. My mom was 15 when she had me. No court would take me away from her even when my dad tried to get custody. She worked her ass off to raise me and take care of me on her own. Sure she could have given me up for adoption which in retrospec im glad she didnt, but she manned up and took care of child.
She also could have had an abortion and and then I nor my children would be alive today. A life is a life and I dont need to be a woman to see that.
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this thread is classic example of one issue voters
Any voter that votes based on one issue doesnt derserve the right to vote imo.
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This scenario is rediculous. First how many parents these days kick their child out of the house like you talk about? I lean more repuplican and so is a vast majority of people I associate with. No one I would know would do this. You are generalizing. Also in what state can parents make you keep it? You can get confidential abortions without the parents ever knowing.
So hypothetically if she didnt use birth control, didnt use the day after pill and her parents are "making her her keep it alive" why the hell coudlnt she give the child up for adoption rather than killing it? I dont wanna get fat and go through pain for 3-18 hours so I will just kill it.
Heres the other thing smart guy. My mom was 15 when she had me. No court would take me away from her even when my dad tried to get custody. She worked her ass off to raise me and take care of me on her own. Sure she could have given me up for adoption which in retrospec im glad she didnt, but she manned up and took care of child.
She also could have had an abortion and and then I nor my children would be alive today. A life is a life and I don't need to be a woman to see that.
That scenario is not rediculious, inless you are out of touch with reality. A friend of mine right now is 24 single and pregnant, the condom broke, she got preg and her Boyfriend hauled ass to another state and said "too bad". She lives at home with her parents and she can't go to church with them anymore because her parents are afraid the community will look down on their family for having a child that is preg with out being married. Nice mentality!!! She's in her last year of college and will have to drop out hoping to go back in the future. They support her, but if she trys going to church with them they would kick her out. YES thats INSANE, but many people in our country LIVE THAT LIFE. Sara Palin kicked her daughter out and made her move in with her aunt 25 miles out of town. That's not reported much in the media but thats the word in Alaska. Notice she isnt out on the campaign at all anymore?
It happens a lot more than you and your Rep buddies even know about. It happened to my mom, she had me at 16, grandparents booted her, she moved in with my aunt and uncle and they all helped raise me, my mom has a 9th grade education and had to go on Gov programs. I lived in 18 homes before I graduated, went to 8 different schools in 4 different states, slept on couches because she couldn't afford a 1 bed apartment. She worked 2 jobs and still couldn't afford to take care of us...
If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, that's HER CHOICE, not yours, not conservatives, not anti- abortion protesters, not the GOV, HERS PERIOD. There is way too much shit going on in this world to worry about if a woman has an abortion or not. Start fixing the problems with the people who ARE here instead of worrying about people who are NOT here yet.
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where do you stand on the death penalty busted?
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where do you stand on the death penalty busted?
I see nothing wrong with it as long as there is undeniable evidence, science, confession etc... 100ccs of Potassium and Sodium Chloride.
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That scenario is not rediculious, inless you are out of touch with reality. A friend of mine right now is 24 single and pregnant, the condom broke, she got preg and her Boyfriend hauled ass to another state and said "too bad". She lives at home with her parents and she can't go to church with them anymore because her parents are afraid the community will look down on their family for having a child that is preg with out being married. Nice mentality!!! She's in her last year of college and will have to drop out hoping to go back in the future. They support her, but if she trys going to church with them they would kick her out. YES thats INSANE, but many people in our country LIVE THAT LIFE. Sara Palin kicked her daughter out and made her move in with her aunt 25 miles out of town. That's not reported much in the media but thats the word in Alaska. Notice she isnt out on the campaign at all anymore?
It happens a lot more than you and your Rep buddies even know about. It happened to my mom, she had me at 16, grandparents booted her, she moved in with my aunt and uncle and they all helped raise me, my mom has a 9th grade education and had to go on Gov programs. I lived in 18 homes before I graduated, went to 8 different schools in 4 different states, slept on couches because she couldn't afford a 1 bed apartment. She worked 2 jobs and still couldn't afford to take care of us...
If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, that's HER CHOICE, not yours, not conservatives, not anti- abortion protesters, not the GOV, HERS PERIOD. There is way too much shit going on in this world to worry about if a woman has an abortion or not. Start fixing the problems with the people who ARE here instead of worrying about people who are NOT here yet.
First forget Sarah Palin and Church. ( I dont agree with the way her church is behaving) We are talking about terminating pregnancies.
If your friend has the kid that is awesome. Its sucks that the dude did that to her, but again not the kids fault. My Mom never got past the 8th grade, but she always made sure I was taken care of. Later in life she got educated and made a decent life for herself before she died.
Would you rather your mother terminated her pregnancy? What is the difference if she had terminated you when you were in the womb vs 5 years old? Its her choice right? I dont buy the whole its not a life if it cant survive on its own bs...
If a woman doesnt want to have a baby she: a) Shouldnt have intercourse b) Make sure she AND the dude use contraception c) Take a morning after pill that will prevent fertilization
I am by no means putting this all on women as it takes two to tango and I think one Americas biggest problems is deadbeat fathers, but men lack the ability to concieve so if a woman does not wish to get pregnant these are her choices.
There are always situations where you have to bend as nothing is absolute, but this is how I feel. One day we will wakeup and realize what we have been doing and be appalled.
Do you even know how they perform abortions?
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Palin said in the 06 governors' debate that if her own underage daughter was raped, she'd require by law that she keep the baby.
The baby is an innocent.
Put it up for adoption.
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busted you run on and on about a womens right ot choose but you slander a man for choosing to not be involved in the childs life. Seems kinda hypocritical to rant and rave about a womens right to choose to have the child or not independent of the mans opinion and then condemn the man for not wanting anything to do with the child even if he may have wanted an abortion.
thoughts anybody discuss...
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First forget Sarah Palin and Church. ( I dont agree with the way her church is behaving) We are talking about terminating pregnancies.
If your friend has the kid that is awesome. Its sucks that the dude did that to her, but again not the kids fault. My Mom never got past the 8th grade, but she always made sure I was taken care of. Later in life she got educated and made a decent life for herself before she died.
Would you rather your mother terminated her pregnancy? What is the difference if she had terminated you when you were in the womb vs 5 years old? Its her choice right? I dont buy the whole its not a life if it cant survive on its own bs...
If a woman doesnt want to have a baby she: a) Shouldnt have intercourse b) Make sure she AND the dude use contraception c) Take a morning after pill that will prevent fertilization
I am by no means putting this all on women as it takes two to tango and I think one Americas biggest problems is deadbeat fathers, but men lack the ability to concieve so if a woman does not wish to get pregnant these are her choices.
There are always situations where you have to bend as nothing is absolute, but this is how I feel. One day we will wakeup and realize what we have been doing and be appalled.
Do you even know how they perform abortions?
Wow. So dont have sex thats the cure to less abortions? Thats part of the Palin-Bushology plan, that doesn't seem to work. COME DOWN TO REALITY. People are going to have sex, accidents happen, and if a woman wants to have an abortion that's her business not yours, not mine, not our presidents nobody's but hers.
If my mom would have had an abortion, well so be it, she didnt and here I am. Im sure the world wouldnt be different if "ole busted" didnt come into the world.
THESE are HER choices, your choices don't count, since you are not a woman.
a) Shouldnt have intercourse
b) Make sure she AND the dude use contraception
c) Take a morning after pill that will prevent fertilization
d) Have an abortion
e) Give it up for adoption
The bottom line is, I don't like abortion, I'm just tired of people trying to tell someone what they can and cant do with their own body that effects their life not yours.
As George carlin said "these people will do ANYTHING for the unborn, but once your born YOUR ON YOUR OWN!!! UNTIL, you reach MILITARY AGE!!!!!!"
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busted you run on and on about a womens right ot choose but you slander a man for choosing to not be involved in the childs life. Seems kinda hypocritical to rant and rave about a womens right to choose to have the child or not independent of the mans opinion and then condemn the man for not wanting anything to do with the child even if he may have wanted an abortion.
thoughts anybody discuss...
I don't know where to start with that incoherent rant you just spewed out...
let me get this straight, you are comparing a "IF" (IF being a new Pregnancy) to a "IS" (IS being a Child is born) where the "IF" is not reality in less the "IS" actually Happens, and the "IS" has Federal and State laws binding you to it... Did you get that?? I explained it that way to confuse you even more, or do I need to do the Ronnie Coleman Apples vs Oranges method?
You are comparing a Mans legal Responsibility to his child once it is born, to a woman's right to chose what to do with her body?
Is that above your head and below your feet? Please go back and find someone with at east a 6th grade education to help you type out a complete thought.
Have a nice day.
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I don't know where to start with that incoherent rant you just spewed out...
let me get this straight, you are comparing a "IF" (IF being a new Pregnancy) to a "IS" (IS being a Child is born) where the "IF" is not reality in less the "IS" actually Happens, and the "IS" has Federal and State laws binding you to it... Did you get that?? I explained it that way to confuse you even more, or do I need to do the Ronnie Coleman Apples vs Oranges method?
You are comparing a Mans legal Responsibility to his child once it is born, to a woman's right to chose what to do with her body?
Is that above your head and below your feet? Please go back and find someone with at east a 6th grade education to help you type out a complete thought.
Have a nice day.
LOL apparently you werent aware of this liberal double standard either? I women has the right to choose whether to have a child or not, if there are medical problems that might arise ok, but just b/c she doesnt want to be burdened with the child no. But the male is subject to child support whether he wants the child or not...LOL you think thats fair?
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I think its so funny... Lets play out the GOP Senerio...
15 year old girl gets pregnant... was ONLY taught NO SEX until you get married!!! OR you go to hell!!! (Palinology 101, worked good in her family)
Now its... YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT!!!!!!!! They go on and on and on...
Parents are disgraced and Kick her out of the house (Palin did this to Bristol, Bristol lives with her Aunt)
She keeps it casue she was scared to "hell" by the warped religious nuts, now... shes 16 scared... no clue what to do... no education, no job, and a baby... goes on Welfare...
GOP... GET THIS LAZY BITCH OFF WELFARE!!!! She gets just enough to barely survive in poverty, and can't further herself, so she works at a gas station making 5.75/hour, no health insurance, cant afford a car, takes the city bus, her child gets raised by gov programs etc... CATCH MY DRIFT?
Conservatives are so worried about the UNBORN, have you ever looked around at the fucking BORN for once??? I dont see them worried about homeless vets, or homeless kids, they worry about IRAQI FREEDOM, and
Yeah, I catch your drift. So instead of putting the child up for adoption to parents to are not physically able to have children but want them, could afford to take care of them, raise them educate them............you choose to just kill it? Again, the lack of commonsense is just overwhelming!
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That scenario is not rediculious, inless you are out of touch with reality. A friend of mine right now is 24 single and pregnant, the condom broke, she got preg and her Boyfriend hauled ass to another state and said "too bad". She lives at home with her parents and she can't go to church with them anymore because her parents are afraid the community will look down on their family for having a child that is preg with out being married. Nice mentality!!! She's in her last year of college and will have to drop out hoping to go back in the future. They support her, but if she trys going to church with them they would kick her out. YES thats INSANE, but many people in our country LIVE THAT LIFE. Sara Palin kicked her daughter out and made her move in with her aunt 25 miles out of town. That's not reported much in the media but thats the word in Alaska. Notice she isnt out on the campaign at all anymore?
It happens a lot more than you and your Rep buddies even know about. It happened to my mom, she had me at 16, grandparents booted her, she moved in with my aunt and uncle and they all helped raise me, my mom has a 9th grade education and had to go on Gov programs. I lived in 18 homes before I graduated, went to 8 different schools in 4 different states, slept on couches because she couldn't afford a 1 bed apartment. She worked 2 jobs and still couldn't afford to take care of us...
If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, that's HER CHOICE, not yours, not conservatives, not anti- abortion protesters, not the GOV, HERS PERIOD. There is way too much shit going on in this world to worry about if a woman has an abortion or not. Start fixing the problems with the people who ARE here instead of worrying about people who are NOT here yet.
So your solution is to take the easy way out and terminate the child?
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i agree with repubs on this issue... but not the extreme position. hard to be in the middle on this issue.
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the basic premise of this thread is complete bullshit
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You are comparing a Mans legal Responsibility to his child once it is born, to a woman's right to chose what to do with her body?
Thats my point dude. Its not just her body anymore. There is another person inside of her that is its own person that should be protected by the law like you and me. I am not the law. I dont any authority over anyone, I am just saying why I believe what I do.
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Yeah, I catch your drift. So instead of putting the child up for adoption to parents to are not physically able to have children but want them, could afford to take care of them, raise them educate them............you choose to just kill it? Again, the lack of commonsense is just overwhelming!
No its not common sense, having a child can be life threatening / altering physically and mentally for the rest of her life. Maybe that woman doesnt want to risk that for a child shes not going to keep. Ever think of that? Not everyone lives the life you do Coach not everyone thumps the bible with every choice they make... The fictional book "the Bible" is as useful to me as Michael Moores books are to you...
Again, if it was up to Liberal folks, they keep it the way it is, if it was up to Conservatives, as usual, they want us all to live by their rules that are driven from The Bible...
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No its not common sense, having a child can be life threatening / altering physically and mentally for the rest of her life. Maybe that woman doesnt want to risk that for a child shes not going to keep. Ever think of that? Not everyone lives the life you do Coach not everyone thumps the bible with every choice they make... The fictional book "the Bible" is as useful to me as Michael Moores books are to you...
Again, if it was up to Liberal folks, they keep it the way it is, if it was up to Conservatives, as usual, they want us all to live by their rules that are driven from The Bible...
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What are our laws driven by?
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So your solution is to take the easy way out and terminate the child?
Seriously do you know how to fucking read? Are you as dumb as Palin? What part of ITS THE WOMANS CHOICE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? If she wants to KEEP IT, ABORT IT, ADOPT IT, thats HER CHOICE, stop worrying about the UNBORN and go do something for the FUCKING BORN for once...
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Seriously do you know how to fucking read? Are you as dumb as Palin? What part of ITS THE WOMANS CHOICE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? If she wants to KEEP IT, ABORT IT, ADOPT IT, thats HER CHOICE, stop worrying about the UNBORN and go do something for the FUCKING BORN for once...
That is the biggest cop out I have ever heard. At what point is it not her choice anymore? When does life start? 1 month? 5 months? 7 months? Birth?
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Thats my point dude. Its not just her body anymore. There is another person inside of her that is its own person that should be protected by the law like you and me. I am not the law. I dont any authority over anyone, I am just saying why I believe what I do.
Hmmm when does a Birth Certificate get issued? Help me with this one, I forgot... Right after you shoot a nut? or after the BIRTH?
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Let me ask all of you something. So its ok to "kill a baby" if there is rape, incest, or a mothers health in risk, but any other choice its MURDER? Please tell me the difference...
Someone explain this...
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Hmmm when does a Birth Certificate get issued? Help me with this one, I forgot... Right after you shoot a nut? or after the BIRTH?
Lol im done arguing with you. Maybe after you have kids you get an inkling of understanding regarding a childs life.
And if you have any wow... Babies have survived as early as 23 weeks. The idea of terminating any pregnancy makes me sick, but even for most democrats, late term abortions are too much.
wow..
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Let me ask all of you something. So its ok to "kill a baby" if there is rape, incest, or a mothers health in risk, but any other choice its MURDER? Please tell me the difference...
Someone explain this...
I was waiting for this awesome gem. I was wondering what was taking you so long to ask it. I mentioned early that you can never be all or nothing. I brought up the rape issue. If my wife was raped Obviously you would get the morning after pill, but if somehow that didnt terminate the pregnancy its still not the childs fault. If I/we couldnt raise it, then we would consider adoption. (after I got out of jail for killing the bastard who did it)
if a child is raped by incest or not then this is a duh question that I dont know that I could answer. My personal belief is that woudl be beyond damaging to both the child and the mother and shoudl be dealt with as soon as possible. its the same thing with a mothers health at risk. Now there is a difference (to me) between a mothers life that is in jeapordy to and that she doesnt want to get heavy and have body changes.
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Lol im done arguing with you. Maybe after you have kids you get an inkling of understanding regarding a childs life.
And if you have any wow... Babies have survived as early as 23 weeks. The idea of terminating any pregnancy makes me sick, but even for most democrats, late term abortions are too much.
wow..
I like how you injected "late term abortion" at the end of that.
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I like how you injected "late term abortion" at the end of that.
you are the one who mentioned birth certificate. An 8 month old child in the womb doesnt have a birth certificate guy.
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I was waiting for this awesome gem. I was wondering what was taking you so long to ask it. I mentioned early that you can never be all or nothing. I brought up the rape issue. If my wife was raped Obviously you would get the morning after pill, but if somehow that didnt terminate the pregnancy its still not the childs fault. If I/we couldnt raise it, then we would consider adoption. (after I got out of jail for killing the bastard who did it)
if a child is raped by incest or not then this is a duh question that I dont know that I could answer. My personal belief is that woudl be beyond damaging to both the child and the mother and shoudl be dealt with as soon as possible. its the same thing with a mothers health at risk. Now there is a difference (to me) between a mothers life that is in jeapordy to and that she doesnt want to get heavy and have body changes.
With Incest and If the mothers health is at risk that's still murder tho.... Why is it ok to murder if the mothers life is at risk, why is the mothers life more important than that child??? That child has just as many rights to live as she does, sholdnt people argue for that unborn??? If you are going to have the SAME STANDARD, the mother should die and the baby should be born, that baby has a right to live, not its fault the mother couldnt handle giving birth...
RIGHT?
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you are the one who mentioned birth certificate. An 8 month old child in the womb doesnt have a birth certificate guy.
Well the be specific...
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With Incest and If the mothers health is at risk that's still murder tho.... Why is it ok to murder if the mothers life is at risk, why is the mothers life more important than that child??? That child has just as many rights to live as she does, sholdnt people argue for that unborn??? If you are going to have the SAME STANDARD, the mother should die and the baby should be born, that baby has a right to live, not its fault the mother couldnt handle giving birth...
RIGHT?
I have heard this so many times over and over. It the favorite GOTCHA scenario. Look I dont pretend to be an authority here but lets look at this from a common sense point of view:
If a mothers health is at risk then she may have other children to care for or she and the baby both may die in the procedures. if that is the case then it seems a pretty straightfoward scenario that you would have to terminate the pregnancy. This happened to my mother at 6 months pregnant. She had blood clots in her lungs and other issues and the doctor told her that their was a good chance they would both die if they carred out the pregnancy.
Regarding the Incest issue, its a child we are talking about and not an adult and the chances are that the resulting pregnancy will be imbred or even worse. My point is that in my opinion we need to respect human life and only in the most dire of circuimstances make tough decisions like this.
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I have heard this so many times over and over. It the favorite GOTCHA scenario. Look I dont pretend to be an authority here but lets look at this from a common sense point of view:
If a mothers health is at risk then she may have other children to care for or she and the baby both may die in the procedures. if that is the case then it seems a pretty straightfoward scenario that you would have to terminate the pregnancy. This happened to my mother at 6 months pregnant. She had blood clots in her lungs and other issues and the doctor told her that their was a good chance they would both die if they carred out the pregnancy.
Regarding the Incest issue, its a child we are talking about and not an adult and the chances are that the resulting pregnancy will be imbred or even worse. My point is that in my opinion we need to respect human life and only in the most dire of circuimstances make tough decisions like this.
I understand what you are saying... My whole point is. Either they are illegal across the board, or they shoudln't be illegal. I don't personally like them, but I don't think our Fed Gov should step in and tell her what to do with her body. I think it is disgusting when a woman uses it as a form of birth control.
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I think it is disgusting when a woman uses it as a form of birth control.
you hit the nail on the head. And that my friend is its biggest use unfortunetly.
My personal opinion is I wish it was a states rights issue and the people of the state decided.
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you hit the nail on the head. And that my friend is its biggest use unfortunetly.
My personal opinion is I wish it was a states rights issue and the people of the state decided.
feel free to show some proof for your claim
btw - this thread is bullshit because the claim in the title is patently false
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feel free to show some proof for your claim
btw - this thread is bullshit because the claim in the title is patently false
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
WHO HAS ABORTIONS?• Fifty percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are younger than 25: Women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and teenagers obtain 17%.[7]
• Thirty-seven percent of abortions occur to black women, 34% to non-Hispanic white women, 22% to Hispanic women and 8% to women of other races.**
• Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.[3]
• Women who have never married obtain two-thirds of all abortions.[3]
• About 60% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children.[7]
• The abortion rate among women living below the federal poverty level ($9,570 for a single woman with no children) is more than four times that of women above 300% of the poverty level (44 vs. 10 abortions per 1,000 women). This is partly because the rate of unintended pregnancies among poor women (below 100% of poverty) is nearly four times that of women above 200% of poverty* (112 vs. 29 per 1,000 women[3,1]
• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[8]
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm
Barack Obama on Abortion
Click here for 24 full quotes on Abortion OR background on Abortion.
Ok for state to restrict late-term partial birth abortion. (Apr 2008)
We can find common ground between pro-choice and pro-life. (Apr 2008)
Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008)
Teach teens about abstinence and also about contraception. (Apr 2008)
GovWatch: Obama's "present" votes were a requested strategy. (Feb 2008)
Expand access to contraception; reduce unintended pregnancy. (Feb 2008)
Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007. (Jan 2008)
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Moral accusations from pro-lifers are counterproductive. (Oct 2004)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
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Seriously do you know how to fucking read? Are you as dumb as Palin? What part of ITS THE WOMANS CHOICE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? If she wants to KEEP IT, ABORT IT, ADOPT IT, thats HER CHOICE, stop worrying about the UNBORN and go do something for the FUCKING BORN for once...
No sense of morality or human life.
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Shoulda happened to the thread starter :D
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