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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bobby on October 06, 2008, 03:43:04 PM
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who wins?
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/16549-4/2001-olympia-33.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=872fce48fbdbc2f4c5eee16580c65f1a)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/341-4/2006-mr-olympia-finals-26-jay-cutler.JPG?g2_GALLERYSID=872fce48fbdbc2f4c5eee16580c65f1a)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/556-4/2006-mr-olympia-finals-80-ronnie-coleman-jay-cutler.JPG?g2_GALLERYSID=872fce48fbdbc2f4c5eee16580c65f1a)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4094-10/1993-mr-olympia-93-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=872fce48fbdbc2f4c5eee16580c65f1a)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4100-10/1993-mr-olympia-95-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=872fce48fbdbc2f4c5eee16580c65f1a)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/24160-3/1995-mr-olympia-155.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=872fce48fbdbc2f4c5eee16580c65f1a)
Discuss :D
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Jay by a countrymile.
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Yes Jay has 2 biceps.
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Doz over Jay anyday.
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Doz over Jay anyday.
you don't like jay's glutes?
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Jay over Dorian, way more complete.
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Jay '01 beats Dorian '93 but not by much.
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2001 Cutler beats ANY version of Yates.
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i also agree.
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you don't like jay's glutes?
If you've got Jay's glutes on the brain, more power to you. You can have them. :)
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If you've got Jay's glutes on the brain, more power to you. You can have them. :)
lol
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Jay looked great in 2001 and 2006, although the only year jay was REALLY CONTATIONED was 2001....Dorian was CONDATIONED ALL THE TIME torn bicep and all even in 1997 when Dorian was @ his WORST he was Condationed all-over.
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This shot of Dorian is one of the greatest in bodybuilding history. It simply cannot get better than this
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239441.0;attach=279469;image)
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Yates and Haney had the smallest quads of any Mr. Olympia's.
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Yates and Haney had the smallest quads of any Mr. Olympia's.
arms too
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Yates and Haney had the smallest quads of any Mr. Olympia's.
Big call mate..id say Arnold & Franco, in relation to there Massive upper-bodys would be better candidates for that distincsion.
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Big call mate..id say Arnold & franco, in relation to there Massive upper-bodys would be better candidates for that distincsion.
don't respond to Dave, he's in here just to stir up shit (as usual) which he gets enjoyment out of.
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don't respond to Dave, he's in here just to stir up shit (as usual) which he gets enjoyment out of.
::) look at almost any picture of Yates and you'll see that his calves are 90 percent as big as his upper legs.
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While I have a good deal of respect for what Jay has accomplished in the sport, he would not be able to compete with Dorian on stage. Dorian's conditioning was far and away superior. If Jay could attain the kind of grainy conditioning that Dorian was known for, he'd be scary.
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While I have a good deal of respect for what Jay has accomplished in the sport, he would not be able to compete with Dorian on stage. Dorian's conditioning was far and away superior. If Jay could attain the kind of grainy conditioning that Dorian was known for, he'd be scary.
Bingo!
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Dorian - 93 physique is the greatest physique of all time - without a single flaw. He would defeat any BB in the history of the sport with this physique.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44994-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-24.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=a376a0c66c9157bca54d89916f94b86e)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44998-3/1993-mr-olympia-bw-25.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=a376a0c66c9157bca54d89916f94b86e)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4143-11/1993-mr-olympia-108.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=a376a0c66c9157bca54d89916f94b86e)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4139-11/1993-mr-olympia-107.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=a376a0c66c9157bca54d89916f94b86e)
P.S. If you want small quads check out that last shot of Flex ;)
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While I have a good deal of respect for what Jay has accomplished in the sport, he would not be able to compete with Dorian on stage. Dorian's conditioning was far and away superior. If Jay could attain the kind of grainy conditioning that Dorian was known for, he'd be scary.
what about Dorian's missing bodyparts and huge belly?
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what about Dorian's missing bodyparts and huge belly?
In the pics above from 1993, I fail to see a single bodypart missing, nor a huge belly. In 1995, even though he had the bicep tear at that point, it would have a negligible impact in such a comparison, as overall he would still be more complete and much more conditioned. Jay at his best certainly impresses; however, if he had mastery over conditioning as Dorian did, it is unlikely that he would have been unseated as Olympia champion.
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In the pics above from 1993, I fail to see a single bodypart missing, nor a huge belly. In 1995, even though he had the bicep tear at that point, it would have a negligible impact in such a comparison, as overall he would still be more complete and much more conditioned. Jay at his best certainly impresses; however, if he had mastery over conditioning as Dorian did, it is unlikely that he would have been unseated as Olympia champion.
even in the 93 shots his arms are PITIFUL and tiny for a top level IFBB pro, he has zero traps, and no quad sweep.
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even in the 93 shots his arms are PITIFUL and tiny for a top level IFBB pro, he has zero traps, and no quad sweep.
Maybe they are in proportion and thats why he did so well.
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Maybe they are in proportion and thats why he did so well.
lol
tiny arms (that are not even bigger than your calves) with a massive torso are NOT in proportion:
look at this: :-\
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This shot of Dorian is one of the greatest in bodybuilding history. It simply cannot get better than this
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239441.0;attach=279469;image)
you ignore the wrinkles on the lower back ala Jay Cutler.
certainly not the best shot of dorian.
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This is very hard to beat. Jay definately dominates in the front double bicep, if nothing else surely most everyone can agree on this.
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Coleman actually looks awesome in those shots ;D
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Jay looked great in 2001 and 2006, although the only year jay was REALLY CONTATIONED was 2001....Dorian was CONDATIONED ALL THE TIME torn bicep and all even in 1997 when Dorian was @ his WORST he was Condationed all-over.
you sir... are an idiot..
It's asking about at their best... not how many years they are at their best...
By the way, Jay beat Dorian
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Dorian's back at its peak smokes Jay's.
Big call mate..id say Arnold & Franco, in relation to there Massive upper-bodys would be better candidates for that distincsion.
Tiny... ;)
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Any version of Yates would beat Jay.
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Jay could never beat this...
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Dorian's huge calves always created the illusion that his quads were small.. If he had small high calves like most of the others his quads would look bigger..
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The video above really does shows how Dorian '93 had perfect proportions. Too bad his bicep was torn in '95 or else that'd be his best showing.
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Yates and Haney had the smallest quads of any Mr. Olympia's.
franco
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270644;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270644;image)
Only one who's midsections sticks out further than his chest?
What are you trying to prove by posting this pic?
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Only one who's midsections sticks out further than his chest?
What are you trying to prove by posting this pic?
haha seriously these clowns must be looking at different pics than us because they think dorian is "killing" any bodybuilder that stands next to him
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Everyone who said that Jay in any of his versions would defeat a 1993/5 Dorian should delete their account and leave Getbig. Seriously, saying this is embarassing. :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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im sorry like,, this doesnt even need a discussion, jay would never beat dorian in a million yrs............ jay at his best is still like a water bottle next to yates, and he doesnt have the wow factor of ronnie either,, just a big horrible lump
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=230987.0;attach=270644;image)
Those two guys truly look soft and fat next to Yates.
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im sorry like,, this doesnt even need a discussion, jay would never beat dorian in a million yrs............ jay at his best is still like a water bottle next to yates, and he doesnt have the wow factor of ronnie either,, just a big horrible lump
Word! Thank you! ::)
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Yates at his best > Cutler at his best.
Yates at his worst < Cutler at his best
Yates at his worst > Cutler at his worst.
Yates at his best > Cutler at his best.
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Yates at his best > Cutler at his best.
Cutler at his best > Yates at his worst.
True but just barely
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Everyone who said that Jay in any of his versions would defeat a 1993/5 Dorian should delete their account and leave Getbig. Seriously, saying this is embarassing. :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Exactly, as if Jay can compare to Dorian, only dickheads could believe this jay can hold a candle to the Shadow!!
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Exactly, as if Jay can compare to Dorian, only dickheads could believe this jay can hold a candle to the Shadow!!
Jay destroys Dorian, Jay has bigger arms, way bigger quads and hamstrings, bigger chest, way bigger delts and better back width.
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Those two guys truly look soft and fat next to Yates.
haha yeah the guy with the pouch is making the other two look soft and fat ::)
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haha yeah the guy with the pouch is making the other two look soft and fat ::)
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hahahaha, yes this guy was known for his awesome conditioning. ;D
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hahahaha, yes this guy was known for his awesome conditioning. ;D
sick
in a disgusting way ;D
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hahahaha, yes this guy was known for his awesome conditioning. ;D
look at that gut hanging over the front of his shorts
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Insane argument. Scary to think that so many people think Jay could be superior to Dorian.....
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Jay's 2001 form was impressive !!!!! However, Yates 93 form was superior !!!!!! When dorian turns around, the show is over !!!!! The only back the that is equal to or better then Yates is Coleman
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Jay's 2001 form was impressive !!!!! However, Yates 93 form was superior !!!!!! When dorian turns around, the show is over !!!!! The only back the that is equal to or better then Yates is Coleman
same old "back" bullshit, Yates had ONE THING on Jay, back thickness, that's it, his back isn't as wide as Jay's and Jay beats him EVERYWHERE else.
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Quaker,
Jay had better quad's, hams . and calves then Dorian ?
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Hi Candizzle.
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yo !
jay clearly outmasses dorian.
however dorian is much drier and better conditionied than jay ever was.
jay has arms and hamstrings.
dorian has a midsection.
its pretty close...
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jay clearly outmasses dorian.
however dorian is much drier and better conditionied than jay ever was.
I agree. To me, Dorian is just more impressive overall.. All the clichés about grainy, granite hardness ring true.
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you sir... are an idiot..
It's asking about at their best... not how many years they are at their best...
By the way, Jay beat Dorian
LOL for someone with 5662 posts...and you are calling me an idoit?...Point was dorian in any year he was @ the top would beat Jay with his superiour condationing alone, so......if jays best was 2001 (considered by many to be his best) vs Dorian in 1993 (0r 95) dorian would come out on top...BY THE WAY JAY DIDNOT BEAT DORIAN hope that helps :)
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Dorian's back at its peak smokes Jay's.
Tiny... ;)
Yip thats a great shot of Arnolds legs there...quiet a rare one alright... theres a couple more floating around of Arnold @ the 74 0 on those high angles where his quads are big....surely your not suggesting Arnolds legs were "better" than Dorian Yates are you?
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Yip thats a great shot of Arnolds legs there...quiet a rare one alright... theres a couple more floating around of Arnold @ the 74 0 on those high angles where his quads are big....surely your not suggesting Arnolds legs were "better" than Dorian Yates are you?
I was replying to your statement that Arnold had some of the smallest quads of any Mr. Olympia.
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At their best? Jay, actually.
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Jay does not outmass Dorian. Look what happens when he tries to get ripped. He can only come in around 250-255lbs. 2001 was the only time Jay ever had ripped glutes and he was about 250lbs. Also, consider the fact that size alone doesn't win anything. Jay outweighed Dexter by probably 40lbs this year yet still lost decisively to him. Dorian would simply destroy Jay. End of story.
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Jay could never match this physique, not in a million years. Dorian is simply flawless.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239441.0;attach=279524;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239441.0;attach=279525;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239441.0;attach=279469;image)
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Jay could never match this physique, not in a million years. Dorian is simply flawless.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=239441.0;attach=279469;image)
Look at Kevins right arm :o
has to be like 2-3inches bigger.
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Kevin's arm was nothing more than soft inflammed tissue. Like we all know, you all hate Dorian so much that you'll point out the tiniest little thing to degrade him ;) You all fear Dorian at his best.
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I was replying to your statement that Arnold had some of the smallest quads of any Mr. Olympia.
one of the Smallest in terms of upper/lower body balance, lower quads, hamstrings in particaluar were out of balance with massive pecs,arms etc..not the best pic or year of arnold to post, however its a fairly rare one of Arnold at the 80 O.
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Kevin's arm was nothing more than soft inflammed tissue. Like we all know, you all hate Dorian so much that you'll point out the tiniest little thing to degrade him ;) You all fear Dorian at his best.
I didnt say anything negative about Yates, i was just impressed at Kevins arm cause Dorians certainly wasent small and Kevins still looks huge.
I am not hating, you are nut hugging.
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Jay at his best was pretty damn good. It would be a battle of front vs. back
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler15.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler21a.jpg)
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one of the Smallest in terms of upper/lower body balance, lower quads, hamstrings in particaluar were out of balance with massive pecs,arms etc..not the best pic or year of arnold to post, however its a fairly rare one of Arnold at the 80 O.
I agree, his hamstrings in side shots were often a little weak when compared to his quads. That 1980 Mr. Olympia shot is very rare, thanks for posting it.
Here's a somewhat rare shot taken by Christine Zane at a guestposing exhibition in 1971. Arnold's entire legs were massive, and even his hamstrings were in good proportion.
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Jay at his best was pretty damn good. It would be a battle of front vs. back
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler1.jpg)
WOW :o
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People saying Jay is bigger than Dorian are wrong. At prejuding of this years Olympia Jay weighed 265 lbs and then lost 12 lbs overnight for the finals. He still looked 5 or 6 weeks out compared to Yates during the finals. Yates from '93 is bigger, not to mention when Dorian ballooned up to the 260-270's and still out conditions Cutler.
Jay is better from the front than Dorian, but from the back Dorian completely blows Jay away from head to toe. Dorian beat guys like Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Nasser, Levrone, Ronnie Coleman, Labrada, ect who all looked much better than Jay from the front.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/4685.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/yates_05.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/20070122-jessica-biel-ass_3.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/c71_jb080.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/BielBeach_070206_37_137lo.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/biel.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/40678_bielpremiere15_416lo.jpg)
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Jay at his best was pretty damn good. It would be a battle of front vs. back
Wrong - as usual. The only pose Jay wins is the front double biceps. Dorian wins the other two front mandatories, the side triceps and also the back mandatories on account of superior conditioning. The side chest is debatable, but I still give it to Yates on account of superior balance.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Jay destroys Dorian, Jay has bigger arms, way bigger quads and hamstrings, bigger chest, way bigger delts and better back width.
Dorian had the same size as Jay but with better structure, symmetry and conditioning. Cutler was 260 lbs at this year's Olympia. Compare him to Dorian at this same weight at the 1995 Olympia and you'll realize just how far superior Dorian is.
Dorian's arms might be a little smaller than Jay's but that's about it. Most of the advantage in arm size Jay has over him are biceps. Dorian has better shape to his triceps with comparable size. Dorian's hamstrings and calves are just as big with better cuts. Dorian's quads are as big although Jay's might be more separated, I'll give you that. As for back, Dorian destroys him: comparable width and thickness but with much more detail and hardness.
Frankly, it's not even debatable who is the superior bodybuilder. What do you think would happen if Dorian in his 1995 Olympia form has entered the past three Olympias? Jay at the 2006 olympia was bigger, but he would look so soft and with such a thick waist compared to a 1995 Dorian that no way in hell would he win. Dorian 1995 would have actually won all Olympias from 2000 to this year's. Only Ronnie in his 1998/9 forms could defeat a 1995 Dorian, and I personally don't think he would.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian had the same size as Jay but with better structure, symmetry and conditioning. Cutler was 260 lbs at this year's Olympia. Compare him to Dorian at this same weight at the 1995 Olympia and you'll realize just how far superior Dorian is.
Dorian's arms might be a little smaller than Jay's but that's about it. Most of the advantage in arm size Jay has over him are biceps. Dorian has better shape to his triceps with comparable size. Dorian's hamstrings and calves are just as big with better cuts. Dorian's quads are as big although Jay's might be more separated, I'll give you that. As for back, Dorian destroys him: comparable width and thickness but with much more detail and hardness.
Frankly, it's not even debatable who is the superior bodybuilder. What do you think would happen if Dorian in his 1995 Olympia form has entered the past three Olympias? Jay at the 2006 olympia was bigger, but he would look so soft and with such a thick waist compared to a 1995 Dorian that no way in hell would he win. Dorian 1995 would have actually won all Olympias from 2000 to this year's. Only Ronnie in his 1998/9 forms could defeat a 1995 Dorian, and I personally don't think he would.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I think '98 Ronnie would have beaten '95 Dorian but maybe not '93 Dorian (who was as complete as it gets). Putting Jay in the same league as Dorian is just plain crazy. Jay has better quad separation, biceps (compared to the post-tear Dorian) and delts (except for the rear delt actually). The rest is all-Dorian, the conditioning is Dorian's, the symmetry is Dorian's, the proportions are Dorian's. This comparison is laughable.
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Dorian had the same size as Jay but with better structure, symmetry and conditioning. Cutler was 260 lbs at this year's Olympia. Compare him to Dorian at this same weight at the 1995 Olympia and you'll realize just how far superior Dorian is.
Dorian's arms might be a little smaller than Jay's but that's about it. Most of the advantage in arm size Jay has over him are biceps. Dorian has better shape to his triceps with comparable size. Dorian's hamstrings and calves are just as big with better cuts. Dorian's quads are as big although Jay's might be more separated, I'll give you that. As for back, Dorian destroys him: comparable width and thickness but with much more detail and hardness.
Frankly, it's not even debatable who is the superior bodybuilder. What do you think would happen if Dorian in his 1995 Olympia form has entered the past three Olympias? Jay at the 2006 olympia was bigger, but he would look so soft and with such a thick waist compared to a 1995 Dorian that no way in hell would he win. Dorian 1995 would have actually won all Olympias from 2000 to this year's. Only Ronnie in his 1998/9 forms could defeat a 1995 Dorian, and I personally don't think he would.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
good post X2
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I think '98 Ronnie would have beaten '95 Dorian but maybe not '93 Dorian (who was as complete as it gets). Putting Jay in the same league as Dorian is just plain crazy. Jay has better quad separation, biceps (compared to the post-tear Dorian) and delts (except for the rear delt actually). The rest is all-Dorian, the conditioning is Dorian's, the symmetry is Dorian's, the proportions are Dorian's. This comparison is laughable.
Exactly. It is debatable which version of Dorian was better, if 93' or 95', but I personally believe 95' was better despite the torn biceps because Dorian was just as hard and dry in 95'as in 93', but his muscles were much fuller and rounder. Dorian was super-hard in 93', but his muscles were a little flat.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The comparison really is laughable. Dorian pwns.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/yates_13.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/dy52.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/Yates-1995-02.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/Yates-1995-003.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/6.jpg)
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People saying Jay is bigger than Dorian are wrong. At prejuding of this years Olympia Jay weighed 265 lbs and then lost 12 lbs overnight for the finals. He still looked 5 or 6 weeks out compared to Yates during the finals. Yates from '93 is bigger, not to mention when Dorian ballooned up to the 260-270's and still out conditions Cutler.
Jay is better from the front than Dorian, but from the back Dorian completely blows Jay away from head to toe. Dorian beat guys like Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Nasser, Levrone, Ronnie Coleman, Labrada, ect who all looked much better than Jay from the front.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/4685.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/yates_05.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/20070122-jessica-biel-ass_3.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/c71_jb080.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/BielBeach_070206_37_137lo.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/biel.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z190/PrideGP1/40678_bielpremiere15_416lo.jpg)
WTF man? ;D ;D
Are you comparing Dorian to Jessica Biel? ;D ;D
Dorian > Jay though, end of story.
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Jay 2001- 5'9 at the low 250lbs
Dorian 1993- 5'9-5'10 at 257lbs
Yates was in better condition than even at Jay Cutlers best condition, Jay could never get dry and grainy.
The detail in the back is also apparent, Dorian just destroys him there not to mention Dorian's striated glutes!
Dorian pwns Jay
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LOL for someone with 5662 posts...and you are calling me an idoit?...Point was dorian in any year he was @ the top would beat Jay with his superiour condationing alone, so......if jays best was 2001 (considered by many to be his best) vs Dorian in 1993 (0r 95) dorian would come out on top...BY THE WAY JAY DIDNOT BEAT DORIAN hope that helps :)
you're still an idiot...
getbig style
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Dorian is much much better than cutler ..why even compare????????????
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I'm a fan of Jay, but he isn't even in Dorian's league.
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Wrong - as usual. The only pose Jay wins is the front double biceps. Dorian wins the other two front mandatories, the side triceps and also the back mandatories on account of superior conditioning. The side chest is debatable, but I still give it to Yates on account of superior balance.
Wrong - as usual. Jay wins all the front mandatory poses on account of superior muscular bulk, definition, and proportion. Dorian wins the back poses due to his overwhelmingly superior back. This leaves the side relaxed, side chest, and side triceps poses. I would give the first 2 to Jay leaving only the side triceps for Dorian. See how dumb it is to argue which physique is better without supplying pics?
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i think jay has better arms, quads, abs, shoulders, and chest
but at their best i would have to go with dorian due to his structure and conditoning, he just looks better overall
cutler is just too blocky
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Wrong - as usual. Jay wins all the front mandatory poses on account of superior muscular bulk, definition, and proportion. Dorian wins the back poses due to his overwhelmingly superior back. This leaves the side relaxed, side chest, and side triceps poses. I would give the first 2 to Jay leaving only the side triceps for Dorian. See how dumb it is to argue which physique is better without supplying pics?
You truly are my pet dog, always starting your posts parroting me. ;)
And you are on crack if you think Jay wins the front lat spread and abs-and-thighs over Dorian. Please, Dorian's lats pop out more, he has superior abdominal definition, serratus and a smaller waist. And Jay's superior muscular bulk wouldn't do shit for him - I am assuming you are talking about Jay 2006, because Jay at the 2001 Olympia actually had less muscular bulk than Dorian - because he would look like marshemellow man next to Yates. And side ches maybe Cutler in his 2006 version wins because his pecs are thciker, but I still give it to Yates on account of better overall package in this pose. Ultimately Dorian wins hands down.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You truly are my pet dog, always starting your posts parroting me.
nah, copying you is just so easy. I don't see a point in putting much thought into a post if you don't. How you misconstrue this as a form of flattery is beyond me.
And you are on crack if you think Jay wins the front lat spread and abs-and-thighs over Dorian. Please, Dorian's lats pop out more, he has superior abdominal definition, serratus and a smaller waist. And Jay's superior muscular bulk wouldn't do shit for him - I am assuming you are talking about Jay 2006, because Jay at the 2001 Olympia actually had less muscular bulk than Dorian - because he would look like marshemellow man next to Yates. And side ches maybe Cutler in his 2006 version wins because his pecs are thciker, but I still give it to Yates on account of better overall package in this pose. Ultimately Dorian wins hands down.
I believe Jay's best was at the 03 Ironman Pro. He weighed 267 lbs at 5'9" and was shredded and full. From the front, he had better separations and striations. This would be even more noticeable in a pose such as the abs-and-thighs where Dorian's smooth quads would be exposed. Front lat spread would be close, but I think Jay would take it due to his superior definition and proportions.
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Jay looked great in 2001 and 2006, although the only year jay was REALLY CONTATIONED was 2001....Dorian was CONDATIONED ALL THE TIME torn bicep and all even in 1997 when Dorian was @ his WORST he was Condationed all-over.
So, he was CONTATIONED and then he was CONDATIONED? Is that what you are putting forther? My question to you is as follows: Was Jay ever CONDITIONED? ::)
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:o :o :o
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler127.jpg)
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler130.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler128.jpg)
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nah, copying you is just so easy. I don't see a point in putting much thought into a post if you don't. How you misconstrue this as a form of flattery is beyond me.
No, it was you who didn't put any thought into this. I mean, Jay had a better front lat spread and abs-and-thighs than Dorian? Then you claim in the same sentence he had greater muscular bulk and post a picture of Jay at the 2001 Olympia when he was 250 lbs, and thus smaller than Dorian was at the 95' Olympia. Yeah, so well thought out, dude. ;)
I believe Jay's best was at the 03 Ironman Pro. He weighed 267 lbs at 5'9" and was shredded and full. From the front, he had better separations and striations. This would be even more noticeable in a pose such as the abs-and-thighs where Dorian's smooth quads would be exposed. Front lat spread would be close, but I think Jay would take it due to his superior definition and proportions.
No, Jay looked his best at this ASC wins or at the 2001 Olympia when he was around 250 lbs. That would be smaller and less sharp than Dorian.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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you're still an idiot...
getbig style
LOL ...by the way jay beat Dorian LMFAO...you sir are THEE IDOIT..........Period :)
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No, it was you who didn't put any thought into this. I mean, Jay had a better front lat spread and abs-and-thighs than Dorian? Then you claim in the same sentence he had greater muscular bulk and post a picture of Jay at the 2001 Olympia when he was 250 lbs, and thus smaller than Dorian was at the 95' Olympia. Yeah, so well thought out, dude.
ha ha ha, okaaay. Whatever you say brah. I didn't even post a pic of Jay when I said he had greater muscular bulk than Dorian. I don't know what drugs you are on, but they're making you imagine things.
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Jay looks Fantastic in that FDB and that arm shot NEO, i think he'd still have his hands full with Dorian (93,95) in the AB/THIGH, FLS, BDB, RLS, S/TRICEP,and even the side chest along with the over-all Condationing factor with Dorian.
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ha ha ha, okaaay. Whatever you say brah. I didn't even post a pic of Jay when I said he had greater muscular bulk than Dorian. I don't know what drugs you are on, but they're making you imagine things.
Yes, you did post pictures of Jay at the 2001 Olympia in this thread before the post, thus implying that was the shape of Jay you were claiming had superior muscular bulk which is wrong.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes, you did post pictures of Jay at the 2001 Olympia in this thread before the post, thus implying that was the shape of Jay you were claiming had superior muscular bulk which is wrong.
I also posted shots of Jay at the 03 Ironman Pro. So your argument is irrelevant.
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The one thing that stands out about Jay when you see him next to other bodybuilders is his delt mass and shoulder width. I think Jay had better shoulders, chest, and arms than Dorian.
(http://www.gabriellereillyweekly.com/POLITICS-NEW/Fitness/EddieAbbew/jaycutler-eddie-abbew.jpg)
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(http://www.gabriellereillyweekly.com/POLITICS-NEW/Fitness/EddieAbbew/jaycutler-eddie-abbew.jpg)
damn, that's one hell of a statue!!!
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I also posted shots of Jay at the 03 Ironman Pro. So your argument is irrelevant.
No, it isn't, because you included the pictures of the 2001 Olympia so you were implying that Jay had more muscular bulk in that picture too. When you make the statement that Jay has superior muscular bulk after posting two pictures and you don't specify which picture you are using as proof of your statement, then you are saying by default that you are using both to prove your statement. Duh! :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No, it isn't, because you included the pictures of the 2001 Olympia so you were implying that Jay had more muscular bulk in that picture too. When you make the statement that Jay has superior muscular bulk after posting two pictures and you don't specify which picture you are using as proof of your statement, then you are saying by default that you are using both to prove your statement. Duh!
wrong, I included the pic from 01 b/c that's the only good one I could find of him hitting his signature pose. I wasn't implying that Jay had more bulk in that shot. If you want to get technical, I supplied 2 pics from the 03 Ironman Pro before posting that pic. So I don't understand your fixation with the pic from 01. :-\
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:o :o :o
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler134.jpg)
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Jay already beat Coleman in 01, 04, 05, 06, and 07.
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler134.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler116.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler105.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler107.jpg)
Incredible, but still not close to touching Dorian's best conditioning.
Dorian '93 version was just so superior in every single mandatory pose. Jay could may have been bigger, looked more impressive in some video, but when you compare mandatory poses accounting for lighting and everything else, Dorian is just superior.
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Yates and Haney had the smallest quads of any Mr. Olympia's.
I guess that include Larry Scott, Sergio Oliva, Arnold, Zane, Columbo and Samir Bannout? Have I forgotten anyone?
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What are you trying to prove by showing Dorian at his worst and Jay at his best as a means for comparison? Doesn't this get old for you after all these years you sick fuck?
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wow, Jay looks great in those pics...
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=97562.0;attach=106048;image
Jay is the only guy really capable of matching Ronnies back mass. I think Dorian would have looked a bit small next to the 295lb version of Ronnie
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What are you trying to prove by showing Dorian at his worst and Jay at his best as a means for comparison? Doesn't this get old for you after all these years you sick fuck?
LOL dorian at his worst my ass.
he won a bunch of olympias looking like that
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just because he was gifted does not mean it isn't valid to use pics from his post tear years...
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Incredible, but still not close to touching Dorian's best conditioning.
Dorian '93 version was just so superior in every single mandatory pose. Jay could may have been bigger, looked more impressive in some video, but when you compare mandatory poses accounting for lighting and everything else, Dorian is just superior.
Jay does look outstanding in those shots, its interesting he ended up winning the O when he was BIGGER, softer, less condationed, wider waist etc.. ??? ??? ??? not sure what he weighed in those 2001 pics but he did look outstanding tight waist, excellent seperation,taper,condationed lower back and glutes.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=97562.0;attach=106048;image
Jay is the only guy really capable of matching Ronnies back mass. I think Dorian would have looked a bit small next to the 295lb version of Ronnie
no way dude, Dorian was a beast. ;D