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So... how long before the media tracks down "Joe" for his opinion on the debate.
He's famous now.
I wonder how much weight his opinion will carry?
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Plummer Joe lol.... tomorrow we will hear the recording of their conversation. I think this will fall flat, Obama made good points, giving tax cuts to the guys who are starting out, not the ones who are crossing over into the bigtime or are in the bigtime... If a plummer jumped his income up that high, he'll do fine, this is bullshit. Plummer Joe is a smart guy, higher taxes for what is a very small portion of these guys crossing over to big business isn't a credible argument by McCain.
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Plummer Joe lol.... tomorrow we will hear the recording of their conversation. I think this will fall flat, Obama made good points, giving tax cuts to the guys who are starting out, not the ones who are crossing over into the bigtime or are in the bigtime... If a plummer jumped his income up that high, he'll do fine, this is bullshit. Plummer Joe is a smart guy, higher taxes for what is a very small portion of these guys crossing over to big business isn't a credible argument by McCain.
BTW, I just heard on the news that reporters did contact "Joe" and he said that Obama's tax plan will hurt him but he wouldn't say who he's voting for.
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will palin use joe the plumber instead of joe sixpack
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BTW, I just heard on the news that reporters did contact "Joe" and he said that Obama's tax plan will hurt him but he wouldn't say who he's voting for.
yup, by Obama's own admition, it wasn't 100% tax cut for the middle class but provides much more in tax cuts to the middle class than McCain. That is going to mean a few people between uppermiddle and lower rich will get hit with some extra taxes. I do like his point that the person who needs the cut more is the guy starting out. That is investing in America from the bottom up. McCain and people like him want to built the top and think the bottom will just fall into place.
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trickle down has never worked for the middle class
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2085/2079798910_8170ac0a21.jpg)
this bottom can fall into any place
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yup, by Obama's own admition, it wasn't 100% tax cut for the middle class but provides much more in tax cuts to the middle class than McCain. That is going to mean a few people between uppermiddle and lower rich will get hit with some extra taxes. I do like his point that the person who needs the cut more is the guy starting out. That is investing in America from the bottom up. McCain and people like him want to built the top and think the bottom will just fall into place.
The whole 250k really bothers me, Hugo. One-third of that 95 percent already doesn't pay taxes. It's just a bigger burden on those to support more government spending. This is the danger of a progressive tax system.
It also bothers me that cost of living is not taken into consideration. I'd still find it morally wrong even if it was something like 500k vs. 250k but this 250k line in the sand hurts a lot of working families where I live.
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I was wrong.
Joe The Plumber won this debate.
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trickle down has never worked for the middle class
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2085/2079798910_8170ac0a21.jpg)
this bottom can fall into any place
I like the way you make a point ;D
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The whole 250k really bothers me, Hugo. One-third of that 95 percent already doesn't pay taxes. It's just a bigger burden on those to support more government spending. This is the danger of a progressive tax system.
It also bothers me that cost of living is not taken into consideration. I'd still find it morally wrong even if it was something like 500k vs. 250k but this 250k line in the sand hurts a lot of working families where I live.
It doesn't bother me. More tax cuts for the nation's weathiest bothers me much more. 4more billion in tax cuts for Exxon? that bugs me.
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The whole 250k really bothers me, Hugo. One-third of that 95 percent already doesn't pay taxes. It's just a bigger burden on those to support more government spending. This is the danger of a progressive tax system.
It also bothers me that cost of living is not taken into consideration. I'd still find it morally wrong even if it was something like 500k vs. 250k but this 250k line in the sand hurts a lot of working families where I live.
good points
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I loved the emphasis on Joe the Plumber. Smart move by McCain. Joe really does highlight the stark differences between McCain and Obama.
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joe the plumber got a thumbs down across the board in a poll of independants, republicans and democrats!
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I bet Joe the plummer wouldn't be in that bracket if he didn't overcharge ;D would be interesting to check that out. Quite a few plummers are scammers. They really love to stiff you when they know you don't have time to call around for quotes with a busted pipe flooding your house.
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joe the plumber got a thumbs down across the board in a poll of independants, republicans and democrats!
seriously, with the problems we're facing, his theme for the debate is a plummer who's making 250,000+ a year :-\ LOL WTF...
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I bet Joe the plummer wouldn't be in that bracket if he didn't overcharge ;D would be interesting to check that out. Quite a few plummers are scammers. They really love to stiff you when they know you don't have time to call around for quotes with a busted pipe flooding your house.
I just payed a fucking prick 400 bucks for a part that cost 50 bucks online and its a few turns of a a monkey wrench to install ...
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When Mccain said he does'nt want to spread the wealth he cooked himself.....
You dont say that on national tv in front of 70 million viewers , when 69 million cant fill thier gas tank ::)
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anyone else think this guy is a plant?
"joe"
LOL
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funny how this came out before the debate
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It's fucking plumber not plummer.
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It's fucking plumber not plummer.
ooooops :D
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You're not the only one that has spelled it that way.
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You're not the only one that has spelled it that way.
It was right there in front of my face too! no excuse, busted ;D
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It doesn't bother me. More tax cuts for the nation's weathiest bothers me much more. 4more billion in tax cuts for Exxon? that bugs me.
My bad. I didn't know the people I work with in Maryland were some of the wealthiest in the nation.
I better go ahead and buy that BMW now. :-\
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I bet Joe the plummer wouldn't be in that bracket if he didn't overcharge ;D would be interesting to check that out. Quite a few plummers are scammers. They really love to stiff you when they know you don't have time to call around for quotes with a busted pipe flooding your house.
He overcharges?
You know this to be fact?
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seriously, with the problems we're facing, his theme for the debate is a plummer who's making 250,000+ a year :-\ LOL WTF...
He's a guy that owns his own business.
The statements you're making boil down to envy and resentment towards those that have more than you because they're successful.
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He overcharges?
You know this to be fact?
key on, "would be interesting to check that out" which obviously states I don't know that for a fact. Even though many plumbers do overcharge, I'm just fucking around with that statement.
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He's a guy that owns his own business.
The statements you're making boil down to envy and resentment towards those that have more than you because they're successful.
::) no
and I guess the guy is looking to buy the business and changed his mind because of Obama, which is stupid as fuck.
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He's a guy that owns his own business.
The statements you're making boil down to envy and resentment towards those that have more than you because they're successful.
Yeah anyone and their brother can "own" their own construction business or trade business. Not that hard buddy. They are a dime a dozen just go up to kinkos print out some business cards and slap a sign on your van and preso!!!!
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OOOHHHH!!
Joe the Plumber exposed!!!
Ok, under Obama he will only pay the higher tax on what he makes over 250,000. Which means for this to be an issue for him he would have to be making well over 250,000... If he can't figure out a plumbing business while he's pulling in that kind of cash... lol... That's right, so if he's making 260,000, this tax increase for him is small. and so Obama is the deciding factor of why he can't buy the business? gotta call BS...
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OOOHHHH!!
Joe the Plumber exposed!!!
Ok, under Obama he will only pay the higher tax on what he makes over 250,000. Which means for this to be an issue for him he would have to be making well over 250,000... If he can't figure out a plumbing business while he's pulling in that kind of cash... lol... That's right, so if he's making 260,000, this tax increase for him is small. and so Obama is the deciding factor of why he can't buy the business? gotta call BS...
So you basically tell him not to make more money? Halt in the same spot? Or do you rather make him setup a skeleton company to spread the income between the two?
Great incentives from Hussein ::)
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So you basically tell him not to make more money? Halt in the same spot? Or do you rather make him setup a skeleton company to spread the income between the two?
Great incentives from Hussein ::)
how does that tell him to not make more money? you make it sound like a brick wall and Joe is a turtle trying to get to the other side. Can you make the case that it's that kind of hurtle?
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OOOHHHH!!
Joe the Plumber exposed!!!
Oh no, ...not plumber's cleavage! :o
pssst: - you managed to correct your spelling of plumber, ...but it's hurdle, ...not hurtle. :-[
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Oh no, ...not plumber's cleavage! :o
pssst: - you managed to correct your spelling of plumber, ...but it's hurdle, ...not hurtle. :-[
it's been a really long day for me. I mean really long, behind on a bunch of work and just been posting real quick on breaks. I'm crosseyed right now. but yea, I'm not the world's best speller anyway so I'm sure it's showing now ;D
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it's been a really long day for me. I mean really long, behind on a bunch of work and just been posting real quick on breaks. I'm crosseyed right now. but yea, I'm not the world's best speller anyway so I'm sure it's showing now ;D
{LOL} A long day? :o Dude, ...it's what... 7am in Colorado right now?
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If he owns the business, and can make 250K or more he should be able, with a good accountant, do what ever he wants.
He could get around what ever he thinks is going to a problem.
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{LOL} A long day? :o Dude, ...it's what... 7am in Colorado right now?
and?
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So... how long before the media tracks down "Joe" for his opinion on the debate.
He's famous now.
I wonder how much weight his opinion will carry?
Joe the plumber was hired by the Republicans. I find it a little odd the media went to "Joe the Plumber's" home after the debate at wee hours in the morning and Joe was setting on the couch drinking a Budweiser. So, "Joe the Plumber" is also "Joe six pack." Look at Joe's home, I don't think Joe can afford to buy a business that does $275,000 per year.
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how does that tell him to not make more money? you make it sound like a brick wall and Joe is a turtle trying to get to the other side. Can you make the case that it's that kind of hurtle?
Because the new plan tells hims that once he reach 250K he will work harder (to make more money than 250K) for less reward (due to more taxes).
So he will either be content and won't try to, thus inhibiting growth of small businesses or he will try to do some IRS scam like creating a shell company, and who can blame him?
BTW when you all cry on how some huge companies might get tax benefits here and there, trust me I don't like them anymore than you. But you have to remember that a large company can always move and leave only the truly minimum of people under US laws. Do you really think other governments won't welcome a company like Exxon with open arms and tax benefits? Its a huge income to them even after the benefits.
So you gotta understand that this is a game of fine tuning and you can't be all about "public justice" at times.
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I just heard on the radio that joe the plummer wasn't talking about netting 250K from his business.
So basically the whole Joe the Plummer thing was a waste of time.
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I just heard on the radio that joe the plummer wasn't talking about netting 250K from his business.
So basically the whole Joe the Plummer thing was a waste of time.
lol
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I just heard on the radio that joe the plummer wasn't talking about netting 250K from his business.
So basically the whole Joe the Plummer thing was a waste of time.
The Mccains got some free advertising for Budweiser.
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I bet Joe the plummer wouldn't be in that bracket if he didn't overcharge ;D would be interesting to check that out. Quite a few plummers are scammers. They really love to stiff you when they know you don't have time to call around for quotes with a busted pipe flooding your house.
Yeah, the good commie you are expects everyone to work for free and give everything back tot he federal rat hole to pay for deadbeats who are lazy.
You have no idea what the costs are of running a plumbing business. Workers Comp, Liability, Payroll, etc etc.
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Yeah, the good commie you are expects everyone to work for free and give everything back tot he federal rat hole to pay for deadbeats who are lazy.
You have no idea what the costs are of running a plumbing business. Workers Comp, Liability, Payroll, etc etc.
::)
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Why are you guys still talking about this?
the guy doesn't make 250K and frankly if he owned plumbing business and that produced a 250K net/net profit he wouldn't care that much if he had to pay a little extra taxes versus last year when he didn't own a business.
This argument is fvcking stupid.
And Joe is a jackass.
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Why are you guys still talking about this?
the guy doesn't make 250K and frankly if he owned plumbing business and that produced a 250K net/net profit he wouldn't care that much if he had to pay a little extra taxes versus last year when he didn't own a business.
This argument is fvcking stupid.
And Joe is a jackass.
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More of your expert logic eh? ;D
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Joe The Plumber has been more vetted than Palin and given more media interviews as well.
Maybe Mccain should put him on the ticket.
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Why are you guys still talking about this?
the guy doesn't make 250K and frankly if he owned plumbing business and that produced a 250K net/net profit he wouldn't care that much if he had to pay a little extra taxes versus last year when he didn't own a business.
This argument is fvcking stupid.
And Joe is a jackass.
I concur.
Anyone with a brain would rather earn $250k then some $60k regardless of tax. Plus, the guy had issues paying his own taxes before, so surely any business he might buy that would net $250,000 annual profit, would be selling for at least that, if not triple or so. Hard to believe he has 1/2 mill hanging around or ability to obtain that credit but could not pay his taxes.
Whole point is so moot and ghey.
Joe The Plumber has been more vetted than Palin and given more media interviews as well.
Maybe Mccain should put him on the ticket.
;D!
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Again, what does his position in life have to do with the question? Are you saying that questions are only valid when they come from the right person? Hilarious concept. LOL. I'm sure some scientists would love to know that. We'd be living in the stone age still.
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Again, what does his position in life have to do with the question? Are you saying that questions are only valid when they come from the right person? Hilarious concept. LOL. I'm sure some scientists would love to know that. We'd be living in the stone age still.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying Joe the Plummer's issue isn't valid as it doesn't apply to him. Now the issue of a person having to pay more taxes if they earn over 250K is an issue worth talking about, but Joe the plummer....."the ordinary American" isn't part of it.
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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying Joe the Plummer's issue isn't valid as it doesn't apply to him. Now the issue of a person having to pay more taxes if they earn over 250K is an issue worth talking about, but Joe the plummer....."the ordinary American" isn't part of it.
Again, his issue is valid as it is a pretty prevalent issue in Obama's campaign. Whether or not it came from the mouth of someone making $250k doesn't determine it's validity. You focusing on that and not the question just shows that you can't or won't answer it. For what reason?
So you're saying that questions are only valid when they come from the right people? Brilliant logic. Like I said, if everyone followed that m.o., we'd be living in the stone age as some of the world's greatest scientists wouldn't have pushed the boundaries on their research because they weren't in the position to be asking certain questions.
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Again, what does his position in life have to do with the question? Are you saying that questions are only valid when they come from the right person? Hilarious concept. LOL. I'm sure some scientists would love to know that. We'd be living in the stone age still.
I think it may come across as non PC, but of course "position in life" as you said can impact whether it matters to someone or not.
I personally would not be personally concerned what a tax bracket is for someone making say a million a year. For a hotshot lawyer, doctor, athlete etc that may very well be a relevant question. For me it is not as no one in their right mind would pay me a million a year, and I will never make that.
My thing is the guy said he was skeptical to buy a business as his taxes may go up. If one can bolster their income by $100k, and lose an extra $20k in tax, but end up with a net $80k extra why would any rational person hesitate?
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I think it may come across as non PC, but of course "position in life" as you said can impact whether it matters to someone or not.
I personally would not be personally concerned what a tax bracket is for someone making say a million a year. For a hotshot lawyer, doctor, athlete etc that may very well be a relevant question. For me it is not as no one in their right mind would pay me a million a year, and I will never make that.
My thing is the guy said he was skeptical to buy a business as his taxes may go up. If one can bolster their income by $100k, and lose an extra $20k in tax, but end up with a net $80k extra why would any rational person hesitate?
This is a political campaign for the position of leader of the USA. Every question is just as valid as the next and deserves an answer, regardless of who said it. If a four year old asked the question, then it should still be answered. And not only that, but it's a major sticking point as both candidates have been referencing this guy all week. Whether or not he makes $250k a year DOES NOT CHANGE THE QUESTION. It's pretty simple really.
I don't understand why it's so hard to get by who this guy actually is (who honestly gives a fuck?) and focus on the question. Are the Obama nut huggers really that afraid of justifying his plan?
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Again, his issue is valid as it is a pretty prevalent issue in Obama's campaign. Whether or not it came from the mouth of someone making $250k doesn't determine it's validity. You focusing on that and not the question just shows that you can't or won't answer it. For what reason?
So you're saying that questions are only valid when they come from the right people? Brilliant logic. Like I said, if everyone followed that m.o., we'd be living in the stone age as some of the world's greatest scientists wouldn't have pushed the boundaries on their research because they weren't in the position to be asking certain questions.
dude when have i shown i won't answer a question? I think raising the CGT on people earning 250K is TOO much. It should be people earning 1 million or more if any at all. As far as increasing taxes for people who earn over 250K? I don't earn that much. But my boss does and he doesn't give a shvt he says because he doesn't believe it will be enough to make much of a difference to him. He doesn't like it. he rather keep the money, of course. (He's also a bit different about money than most, so don't think I'm saying everyone is like this or i believe they should be) He's an right leaning independent.
My point is that Joe the Plumber should taken out of the issue because he doesn't apply.
BF do you make 250K+ per year?
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dude when have i shown i won't answer a question? I think raising the CGT on people earning 250K is TOO much. It should be people earning 1 million or more if any at all. As far as increasing taxes for people who earn over 250K? I don't earn that much. But my boss does and he doesn't give a shvt he says because he doesn't believe it will be enough to make much of a difference to him. He doesn't like it. he rather keep the money, of course. (He's also a bit different about money than most, so don't think I'm saying everyone is like this or i believe they should be) He's an right leaning independent.
My point is that Joe the Plumber should taken out of the issue because he doesn't apply.
BF do you make 250K+ per year?
Nope, I don't. But when does it stop? He taxes people making over $250k a year now and then what? Next, it's something else to help the poor. Then it's universal health care, which is going to come out of the pockets of the successful again (despite the fact they won't use it). Then it's another thing, etc...
A lot of the issues in this campaign don't affect me or you specifically, yet they're valid. Are you going to be in a need of an abortion any time soon? I doubt it. I won't be needing one and probably the majority of voters won't be. Yet it's an issue. Funny how politics work.
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Nope, I don't. But when does it stop? He taxes people making over $250k a year now and then what? Next, it's something else to help the poor. Then it's universal health care, which is going to come out of the pockets of the successful again (despite the fact they won't use it). Then it's another thing, etc...
A lot of the issues in this campaign don't affect me or you specifically, yet they're valid. Are you going to be in a need of an abortion any time soon? I doubt it. I won't be needing one and probably the majority of voters won't be. Yet it's an issue. Funny how politics work.
UNiversal health care in America will NEVER happen. Get that? the medical industry is too huge and power to ever let it happen anytime soon. Universal health care is political selling point. that's all. Have you listened to him lately? He's abandoned it. Did you watch the last debate? And largest tax increases have come from both repub and dem presidents.
Don't let yourself get sold on the repub spew machine so easily.
In my mind abortion is a moral issue, not a political issue, because i would never encourage or make someone abort a baby regardless of the law.
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UNiversal health care in America will NEVER happen. Get that? the medical industry is too huge and power to ever let it happen anytime soon. Universal health care is political selling point. that's all. Have you listened to him lately? He's abandoned it. Did you watch the last debate? And largest tax increases have come from both repub and dem presidents.
Don't let yourself get sold on the repub spew machine so easily.
In my mind abortion is a moral issue, not a political issue, because i would never encourage or make someone abort a baby regardless of the law.
the same government who screwed up Iraq, Katrina, Medicaid, education are not going to get health care right either.
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UNiversal health care in America will NEVER happen. Get that? the medical industry is too huge and power to ever let it happen anytime soon. Universal health care is political selling point. that's all. Have you listened to him lately? He's abandoned it. Did you watch the last debate? And largest tax increases have come from both repub and dem presidents.
Don't let yourself get sold on the repub spew machine so easily.
In my mind abortion is a moral issue, not a political issue, because i would never encourage or make someone abort a baby regardless of the law.
Universal health care was just an example to illustrate my point. It could be any manner of things.
I'm not "sold on the repub spew machine" so easily. They're no better than the dems. And I'm not voting for either candidate because I think they both suck. McCain sucks worse but Obama's really not much better. And I think that will be proven when like most presidents, he doesn't follow through on half the shit he's been campaigning about. The only thing I think Obama will be better at is fixing the economy. But that's not because he's got some master plan, I think McCain is just clueless on it.
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Universal health care was just an example to illustrate my point. It could be any manner of things.
I'm not "sold on the repub spew machine" so easily. They're no better than the dems. And I'm not voting for either candidate because I think they both suck. McCain sucks worse but Obama's really not much better. And I think that will be proven when like most presidents, he doesn't follow through on half the shit he's been campaigning about. The only thing I think Obama will be better at is fixing the economy. But that's not because he's got some master plan, I think McCain is just clueless on it.
Citing Universal Health as realistic sounds like you are sold on the spew machine. but i agree with just about everything else you said there.
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You Democrats miss the point, not only that it start with 250K and end with 50K (since Hussein can't stop saying spending more on this or that).
Whats worse is the rational behind it, he specifically say I'm taking your money and giving it out to the weaker people.
By the end of his term it will be a tax on 50K and claim that we have to pull all those in poverty out.... ::)
Hussein whole concept is wrong, McCain wants to fix the system while Hussein specifically say over and over he just want to expend it....basically making it even bigger and shitter.
The government doesn't lack money , it lack proper usage of it!
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UNiversal health care in America will NEVER happen. Get that? the medical industry is too huge and power to ever let it happen anytime soon. Universal health care is political selling point. that's all. Have you listened to him lately? He's abandoned it. Did you watch the last debate? And largest tax increases have come from both repub and dem presidents.
Don't let yourself get sold on the repub spew machine so easily.
In my mind abortion is a moral issue, not a political issue, because i would never encourage or make someone abort a baby regardless of the law.
With the universal health care, the private health industry will still exist. People who can pay will still do their own thing.
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With the universal health care, the private health industry will still exist. People who can pay will still do their own thing.
I was told Medicare pays about 43% back to the doctor for what would be 100% from medical insurance companies. I don't see that changing to doctors and nearly everyone involved in the medical profession.
What they need to do is figure a way to bring the rates down.
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Kick the 6 thousand illegals out of every ER in SoCal would be a good start.
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the same government who screwed up Iraq, Katrina, Medicaid, education are not going to get health care right either.
that would be the GOP government.
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Kick the 6 thousand illegals out of every ER in SoCal would be a good start.
yes that's true
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Citing Universal Health as realistic sounds like you are sold on the spew machine. but i agree with just about everything else you said there.
Actually, I've said for a long time that universal health care is unrealistic. Just look at some of the news articles over the last year. Not only are the costs unbelievable, but there is no way that the country has the infrastructure to handle it. Studies show that ER wait times are already at an all time, hospitals are packed to the brim, doctors continue to work longer and longer hours while their salaries decrease.
I remember reading a year ago that the average physician now works a 60 hour week, and that's steadily increasing.
I was using it to illustrate my point. You can pick a number of different things to convey the same point I was trying to make.
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Actually, I've said for a long time that universal health care is unrealistic. Just look at some of the news articles over the last year. Not only are the costs unbelievable, but there is no way that the country has the infrastructure to handle it. Studies show that ER wait times are already at an all time, hospitals are packed to the brim, doctors continue to work longer and longer hours while their salaries decrease.
I remember reading a year ago that the average physician now works a 60 hour week, and that's steadily increasing.
I was using it to illustrate my point. You can pick a number of different things to convey the same point I was trying to make.
So to say Obama is going to make UHC a reality is unrealistic. In other words, UHC is nothing to fear because it won't happen
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So to say Obama is going to make UHC a reality is unrealistic. In other words, UHC is nothing to fear because it won't happen
In other words, it was an EXAMPLE. I could've said that Obama could make us pay a tax on having too many socks. What I was trying to convey is that if it starts with the tax on people making $250k or more, then when does it stop? What's the next thing he's going to tack on to the rich? It could be a manner of things seeing as he's apparently saying they're responsible for picking up the poor and pathetic.
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Nope, I don't. But when does it stop? He taxes people making over $250k a year now and then what? Next, it's something else to help the poor. Then it's universal health care, which is going to come out of the pockets of the successful again (despite the fact they won't use it). Then it's another thing, etc...
You said it would be Universal Health Care. Why are you citing something that won't happen as something to be worried about?
In other words, it was an EXAMPLE. I could've said that Obama could make us pay a tax on having too many socks. What I was trying to convey is that if it starts with the tax on people making $250k or more, then when does it stop? What's the next thing he's going to tack on to the rich? It could be a manner of things seeing as he's apparently saying they're responsible for picking up the poor and pathetic.
I do not think Obama will go any more tax crazy than any other president has including BUSH & Reagan.
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Nothing short of brilliant! Gary Bauer is spot on with this write-up:
The Terrorist And The Plumber
Joe the plumber is in trouble. He has committed an unspeakable act – he spoke up for capitalism and free enterprise. He publicly spoke taboo words: “I don’t want to be taxed more just because I work harder.” But it gets even worse. His words have put the Messiah from Illinois, Barack Obama, on the defensive. There is only one solution: Joe must be destroyed. (With the media fixated on Joe, maybe Sarah Palin will get a break!)
The same media that have done nothing to investigate Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, the same media that have ignored the relationship between Ayers and Obama, the same big shot reporters who have turned Michelle Obama into a mystery woman whose views are “off limits,” and the same media that left no stone unturned in Alaska trying to embarrass Sarah Palin – that media are now in a feeding frenzy to destroy Blue Collar Joe. And the Obama/Biden campaign is piling on, too.
In the last 24-hours the inquiring minds of the press have discovered that Joe once had a tax lien against him for $1,200. Several press outlets charged that he wasn’t even registered to vote. Then they dropped that attack and replaced it with an even more damaging charge: He is registered, but – GASP! – “He’s a Republican!”
Diane Sawyer wanted to know whether the McCain campaign had talked to Joe before he confronted Obama The Savior. (No, it had not.) Then this news broke last night – he isn’t really a plumber because he didn’t finish the Ohio licensing requirements. Before the day is over, we will know whether he ever said a cross word, had too much to drink or passed gas.
The goal is clear: Destroy Joe before Americans wake up to the fact that they are close to electing the most far left, pro-abortion, anti-military, socialism-advocating candidate in the history of the United States.
Pray for Joe, his family and his friends. Unless he recants and pledges allegiance to Obama in the next few days, Joe is toast.
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Welcome to a modern presidential race "Joe the Plumber" Everyone gets some mud.
In the mean time, maybe everyone can find a real world example.
"333386" might be a better example
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Nothing short of brilliant! Gary Bauer is spot on with this write-up:
The Terrorist And The Plumber
Joe the plumber is in trouble. He has committed an unspeakable act – he spoke up for capitalism and free enterprise. He publicly spoke taboo words: “I don’t want to be taxed more just because I work harder.” But it gets even worse. His words have put the Messiah from Illinois, Barack Obama, on the defensive. There is only one solution: Joe must be destroyed. (With the media fixated on Joe, maybe Sarah Palin will get a break!)
The same media that have done nothing to investigate Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, the same media that have ignored the relationship between Ayers and Obama, the same big shot reporters who have turned Michelle Obama into a mystery woman whose views are “off limits,” and the same media that left no stone unturned in Alaska trying to embarrass Sarah Palin – that media are now in a feeding frenzy to destroy Blue Collar Joe. And the Obama/Biden campaign is piling on, too.
In the last 24-hours the inquiring minds of the press have discovered that Joe once had a tax lien against him for $1,200. Several press outlets charged that he wasn’t even registered to vote. Then they dropped that attack and replaced it with an even more damaging charge: He is registered, but – GASP! – “He’s a Republican!”
Diane Sawyer wanted to know whether the McCain campaign had talked to Joe before he confronted Obama The Savior. (No, it had not.) Then this news broke last night – he isn’t really a plumber because he didn’t finish the Ohio licensing requirements. Before the day is over, we will know whether he ever said a cross word, had too much to drink or passed gas.
The goal is clear: Destroy Joe before Americans wake up to the fact that they are close to electing the most far left, pro-abortion, anti-military, socialism-advocating candidate in the history of the United States.
Pray for Joe, his family and his friends. Unless he recants and pledges allegiance to Obama in the next few days, Joe is toast.
Spot on. You even have people making the claim that Joe was a Republican plant. lol. People are missing the issue: Obama will hurt small businesses and those people like Joe who are trying to create jobs. He will "spread the wealth."
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Spot on. You even have people making the claim that Joe was a Republican plant. lol. People are missing the issue: Obama will hurt small businesses and those people like Joe who are trying to create jobs. He will "spread the wealth."
Joe the Plumber will not net near 250K. Bad example. Obama's tax policies will not prevent him from employing more people. What will do that is his business.
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Welcome to a modern presidential race "Joe the Plumber" Everyone gets some mud.
In the mean time, maybe everyone can find a real world example.
"333386" might be a better example
The bottom line is that everyone is already taxed to the grills. Although lower income people may not pay alot in income taxes, they get slammed in FICA taxes, energy taxes, sales taxes, etc.
Raising taxes now on people making 250K is just stupid.
Think about this way.
A guy who makes 250k in NY or CA, after all taxes of all sorts, and say has a kid in college, does not qualify for aid, has to help pay the tab. People dont realize that someone making 250k a year in income is not a fat cat rich guy.
If the guy has a mortgage, car payment, school loans, etc, this guy is not rich at all does not need to be taxed higher.
The government should find ways to spend less, not figure out ways to reaise revenue through higher taxes.
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Joe the Plumber will not net near 250K. Bad example. Obama's tax policies will not prevent him from employing more people. What will do that is his business.
How do you know Joe the Plumber will not net near $250K? And Joe isn’t really the focal point. I think the point is that small businesses that earn over $250K will suffer.
Obama's tax policies are going to hurt Joe and pretty much everyone else. He'll raise taxes on businesses who will in turn raise the price of goods and services.
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Assuming this guy was not a fraud and a liar and:
1. he was actually capable of buying this biz (most likely would have to be owner financed)
2. the biz actually made 280k (the number I've heard is closer to 100k).
His would pay a whopping 3% extra on the marginal amount over 250k
in other words his tax bill would go up ~ $900 a year
You'd think a Patriotic American such as Joe wouldn't have a problem with such a small increase to help out his country
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How do you know Joe the Plumber will not net near $250K? And Joe isn’t really the focal point. I think the point is that small businesses that earn over $250K will suffer.
Obama's tax policies are going to hurt Joe and pretty much everyone else. He'll raise taxes on businesses who will in turn raise the price of goods and services.
Because he won't. The details of his business have come out and he won't make no where near it. KGO was talking about it yesterday. Yes, small business will pay more. Not so much that the extra tax will prevent them from hiring more help IF they need it. Becuase if they needed it the revenue would be there.
The whole Joe the Plumber thing is stupid.
If people want to talk about the tax hike on people that make over 250K a year that's fine. But using the Joe plumber example is dumb and that's what the presidential race media scrutiny has shown.
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Assuming this guy was not a fraud and a liar and:
1. he was actually capable of buying this biz (most likely would have to be owner financed)
2. the biz actually made 280k (the number I've heard is closer to 100k).
His would pay a whopping 3% extra on the marginal amount over 250k
in other words his tax bill would go up ~ $900 a year
You'd think a Patriotic American such as Joe wouldn't have a problem with such a small increase to help out his country
Thats not the point. Patriotism is not taxing people more to fund failed welfare programs.
Everyone who works is already taxed way too much.
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Because he won't. The details of his business have come out and he won't make no where near it. KGO was talking about it yesterday. Yes, small business will pay more. Not so much that the extra tax will prevent them from hiring more help IF they need it. Becuase if they needed it the revenue would be there.
The whole Joe the Plumber thing is stupid.
If people want to talk about the tax hike on people that make over 250K a year that's fine. But using the Joe plumber example is dumb and that's what the presidential race media scrutiny has shown.
Some radio station confirmed that he will not make $250K a year if he buys the business? They must be clairvoyant. I don't think any of us is in the position to say what the guy will make.
I love the Joe the Plumber story. Regardless of whether he can make $250K, etc., Obama's response to Joe speaks volumes about the difference between Obama and McCain on taxes and overall economic philosophy. Completely different mindsets. I doubt we can find a more clear example of Obama's desire to redistribute wealth than his answer to Joe.
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Some radio station confirmed that he will not make $250K a year if he buys the business? They must be clairvoyant. I don't think any of us is in the position to say what the guy will make.
I love the Joe the Plumber story. Regardless of whether he can make $250K, etc., Obama's response to Joe speaks volumes about the difference between Obama and McCain on taxes and overall economic philosophy. Completely different mindsets. I doubt we can find a more clear example of Obama's desire to redistribute wealth than his answer to Joe.
The guy is not making 250K and will not be making 250K. Maybe one day he will when his business grows. anyone body with common sense Is in a position to see that. No clairvoyance needed. And if he did NET 250K in his first year, he'd be happy than a pig in sh1t and wouldn't care a rat's ass if he paid a couple of thousand more.
However,
He's NOT a licensed plumber and he was talking revenue NOT net profit.
Hence, his relevance is complete fantasy.
EVEN so, as has been pointed out, the increase is nominal and would NOt prevent him from hiring other people. what prevents him IS his amount of business.
Its bull sh1t milk for the anit-Obama boys.
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Assuming this guy was not a fraud and a liar and:
1. he was actually capable of buying this biz (most likely would have to be owner financed)
2. the biz actually made 280k (the number I've heard is closer to 100k).
His would pay a whopping 3% extra on the marginal amount over 250k
in other words his tax bill would go up ~ $900 a year
You'd think a Patriotic American such as Joe wouldn't have a problem with such a small increase to help out his country
1.Its HIS 900$! He gets to choose! He might not like what Obama want to do with it , ever thought of that?
2.What the hell is so wrong in being good at what you do? Lets assume that in 10 years Mr.Joe did really good business and spread out and now he is making 1M$, why is he being punished? Where is the equality? He's doing the same thing just more of it...why he need to pay more and not only pay more , pay more for more frivolous plans of Obama to SPREAD THE WEALTH.
3.Obama just want to take more money and throw it away, he never said once that he is going to check what the hell is going on. He just want to start new programs thus creating more financial black holes. :-\
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1.Its HIS 900$! He gets to choose! He might not like what Obama want to do with it , ever thought of that?
2.What the hell is so wrong in being good at what you do? Lets assume that in 10 years Mr.Joe did really good business and spread out and now he is making 1M$, why is he being punished? Where is the equality? He's doing the same thing just more of it...why he need to pay more and not only pay more , pay more for more frivolous plans of Obama to SPREAD THE WEALTH.
3.Obama just want to take more money and throw it away, he never said once that he is going to check what the hell is going on. He just want to start new programs thus creating more financial black holes. :-\
awwwwe poor guy. he'd have to pay $900 more from his 250K because evil commy Obama wants to punish him for being a capitalist. Never mind the fact Joe the Plumber is so fvcking stupid he can't hired a good accountant.
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awwwwe poor guy. he'd have to pay $900 more from his 250K because evil commy Obama wants to punish him for being a capitalist. Never mind the fact Joe the Plumber is so fvcking stupid he can't hired a good accountant.
He made a good point when he said what happens when that number gets lowered to 150K?????????
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He made a good point when he said what happens when that number gets lowered to 150K?????????
Really?
OMG
Is the sky falling too?
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He made a good point when he said what happens when that number gets lowered to 150K?????????
Lets review:
Obama is a terrorist
Obama is a ARAB
Obama is a Muslim
Obama wants to make ALL marriages Gay Marriages
Obama wants to turn the white house into a pyramid
And he's CERTAINLY going to lower it from to 150K
Because he's evil like that and we shouldn't vote him and he's not a real american?
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The guy is not making 250K and will not be making 250K. Maybe one day he will when his business grows. anyone body with common sense Is in a position to see that. No clairvoyance needed. And if he did NET 250K in his first year, he'd be happy than a pig in sh1t and wouldn't care a rat's ass if he paid a couple of thousand more.
However,
He's NOT a licensed plumber and he was talking revenue NOT net profit.
Hence, his relevance is complete fantasy.
EVEN so, as has been pointed out, the increase is nominal and would NOt prevent him from hiring other people. what prevents him IS his amount of business.
Its bull sh1t milk for the anit-Obama boys.
You're convinced he will not make $250K. I'm not. I don’t know the facts about his situation or what he would earn in the future if he lined up all his ducks. Neither do you, or anyone else for that matter. Pure speculation.
But as I said, Joe is not the point. See my comments above.
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Lets review:
Obama is a terrorist - HE HAS ASSOCIATED WITH SELF DESCRIBED TERRORISTS AYERES AND BERNADINE DORHN.
Obama is a ARAB - THAT WHERE HIS NAME ORIGINATES FROM, THOUGH HE IS NOT ONE.
Obama is a Muslim - I DONT THINK SO, ALTHOUGH HIS FATHER WAS AND HE WENT TO A MADRASSA AS A CHILD.
Obama wants to make ALL marriages Gay Marriages - LARRY SINCLAIR AGREES WITH YOU.
Obama wants to turn the white house into a pyramid - NO HE WANTS TO TURN IT INTO MECCA. LOL
And he's CERTAINLY going to lower it from to 150K - WOULD NOT DOUBT IT.
Because he's evil like that and we shouldn't vote him and he's not a real american? - NOT EVIL - BUT INCREDIBLY COMFORTABLE WITH
PEOPLE WHO HATE THE USA LIKE REV. WRIGHT, AYERES, DORHN, ODINGA, FARAKHAN.
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Thats not the point. Patriotism is not taxing people more to fund failed welfare programs.
Everyone who works is already taxed way too much.
How about borrowing trillions (in OUR NAME) to fund failed and unnecessary wars and bail out systemic banking failures that were the result of Republican led deregulation (the Dems share some blame too)
I guess Obama could be like the Repugs and just borrow the money instead.
How about spending some of OUR MONEY here in the USA for a change
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You're convinced he will not make $250K. I'm not. I don’t know the facts about his situation or what he would earn in the future if he lined up all his ducks. Neither do you, or anyone else for that matter. Pure speculation.
But as I said, Joe is not the point. See my comments above.
Nothing pure about it. he either does or doesn't. It's 99% likely he won't his first year and IF he did, he'd be very happy.
Joe is a junk issue. the 250K is the issue NOT Joe.
and it seems, unless you can provide other info, that we are talking about $900. Oh heavens, anyone making 250K is REALLY going to feel that one. what they should do is pay $900 more for a better accountant.
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Obama wants to make ALL marriages Gay Marriages - LARRY SINCLAIR AGREES WITH YOU.
So does Craig...lol
Obama wants to turn the white house into a pyramid - NO HE WANTS TO TURN IT INTO MECCA. LOL
A pyramid is more spiritual and new age from an old age.
And he's CERTAINLY going to lower it from to 150K - WOULD NOT DOUBT IT.
wouldn't doubt it to the point of making a decision based on unfounded fear?
Because he's evil like that and we shouldn't vote him and he's not a real american? - NOT EVIL - BUT INCREDIBLY COMFORTABLE WITH
PEOPLE WHO HATE THE USA LIKE REV. WRIGHT, AYERES, DORHN, ODINGA, FARAKHAN.
the USA or its government?
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the 250K is the issue NOT Joe.
I agree.
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The guy is not making 250K and will not be making 250K. Maybe one day he will when his business grows. anyone body with common sense Is in a position to see that. No clairvoyance needed. And if he did NET 250K in his first year, he'd be happy than a pig in sh1t and wouldn't care a rat's ass if he paid a couple of thousand more.
However,
He's NOT a licensed plumber and he was talking revenue NOT net profit.
Hence, his relevance is complete fantasy.
EVEN so, as has been pointed out, the increase is nominal and would NOt prevent him from hiring other people. what prevents him IS his amount of business.
Its bull sh1t milk for the anit-Obama boys.
I think you're missing the point, OzmO. Ok, Joe doesn't make $250k. Does that mean there aren't other who DO make $200-250K per year. Joe represent the folks who DO make that kind of loot.
My neighbor who lives two houses down has his own home restoration/addition business. He easily makes $275K/year, yet they are struggling from paycheck to paycheck just to make ends meet due to taxes and health care. Obama's redistribution plan will put my neighbor out of business and out on the street.
Forget Joe the Plumber. ::) If it's not Joe, it's SOMEBODY! This is real life stuff we're talking here!
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I think you're missing the point, OzmO. Ok, Joe doesn't make $250k. Does that mean there aren't other who DO make $200-250K per year. Joe represent the folks who DO make that kind of loot.
My neighbor who lives two houses down has his own home restoration/addition business. He easily makes $275K/year, yet they are struggling from paycheck to paycheck just to make ends meet due to taxes and health care. Obama's redistribution plan will put my neighbor out of business and out on the street.
Forget Joe the Plumber. ::) If it's not Joe, it's SOMEBODY! This is real life stuff we're talking here!
I doubt his problems are due to taxes. After all he's enjoying the benefits of the Bush Tax Cuts.
His problem is probably that he spends way too much money on other stuff - including health care
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Did anyone catch the part where Obama said he's proposing a 50% tax credit for small business for health care.
Tax credit = direct reduction of your tax liability.
If Joe the Fake Plumber were to own his imaginary company and pay 20k in health care costs he would get a 50% reduction in his tax BILL or 10K in tax savings (assuming I understand what Obama is proposing - I'm sure there are some caps and limitation).
Anyway - Joe the Fake Plumber would pay $900 more in income tax on that incremental amount from 250 to 280k and then get a tax credit of 10k on the (for purposes of this example) 20k in health care premiums that he pays.
10,000 tax credit minus $900 tax increase = $9900 more in Joe the Fake Plumber's pocket
If the tax credit were only 1000 he would still be ahead by $100 (1000 tax credit - 900 tax increase).
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I doubt his problems are due to taxes. After all he's enjoying the benefits of the Bush Tax Cuts.
His problem is probably that he spends way too much money on other stuff - including health care
Once again, even if it's not my neighbor, it's someone else. We could go in circles with this issue. I give an example, then someone talks about the individual and not the impact of the economic plan.
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I think you're missing the point, OzmO. Ok, Joe doesn't make $250k. Does that mean there aren't other who DO make $200-250K per year. Joe represent the folks who DO make that kind of loot.
My neighbor who lives two houses down has his own home restoration/addition business. He easily makes $275K/year, yet they are struggling from paycheck to paycheck just to make ends meet due to taxes and health care. Obama's redistribution plan will put my neighbor out of business and out on the street.
Forget Joe the Plumber. ::) If it's not Joe, it's SOMEBODY! This is real life stuff we're talking here!
Sorry that's complete bull sh1t.
You friend needs to learn how to mange his money better. He's whining a bucket of crap to you.
If Obama's tax plan will put him out on the street, well then any one making 100K is a sure as homeless.
right C-500, com on. geez. that is such a pile of crap. ::) (eye roll not in a personal way ;D)
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Republicans, what is this crap?
You want to spend huge money on national defense and senseless wars and then you don't want to pay more taxes?
Well, guess what? Wars and militaries cost money, and someone has to pay.
So shut your damn mouth and volunteer more money on defense spending. Support the troops with something besides a bumper sticker, give more of your income.
Are you not patriotic enough? Republicans must hate America.