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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - In this live-and-let-live town, where medical marijuana clubs do business next to grocery stores and an annual fair celebrates sadomasochism, prostitutes could soon walk the streets without fear of arrest.
San Francisco would become the first major U.S. city to decriminalize prostitution if voters next month approve Proposition K—a measure that forbids local authorities from investigating, arresting or prosecuting anyone for selling sex.
The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.
Proponents say the measure will free up $11 million the police spend each year arresting prostitutes and allow them to form collectives.
"It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K.
Even in tolerant San Francisco—where the sadomasochism fair draws thousands of tourists and a pornographic video company is housed in a former armory—the measure faces an uphill battle, with much of the political establishment opposing it.
Some form of prostitution is already legal in two states. Brothels are allowed in rural counties in Nevada. And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels.
In 2004, almost two-thirds of voters in nearby Berkeley rejected decriminalization. But proponents of Proposition K say their proposal has a better shot in San Francisco, which they believe is more sexually liberal than the city across the bay.
After all, the world's oldest profession has long been established here. During the Gold Rush, the neighborhood closest to the piers was a seedy pleasure center of sex, gambling and drinking known as the Barbary Coast.
These days, on certain corners, prostitutes sell their bodies day and night, ducking into doorways and alleys when police pass by. One recent afternoon in the Mission District, six prostitutes were plying their trade on a single block.
Police made 1,583 prostitution arrests in 2007 and expect to make a similar number this year. But the district attorney's office says most defendants are fined, placed in diversion programs or both. Fewer than 5 percent get prosecuted for solicitation, which is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail.
Proposition K has been endorsed by the local Democratic Party. But the mayor, district attorney, police department and much of the business community oppose the idea, contending it would increase street prostitution, allow pimps the run of neighborhoods and hamper the fight against sex trafficking, which would remain illegal because it involves forcing people into the sex trade.
The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized against the measure, saying it could make the city a magnet for prostitution.
If the proposal passes, "we wouldn't be able to investigate prostitution, and it's going to be pretty difficult for us to locate these folks who are victims of trafficking otherwise," said Capt. Al Pardini, head of the police department's vice unit. "It's pretty rare that we get a call that says: 'I'm a victim of human trafficking' or 'I suspect human trafficking in my neighborhood.'"
The proposition would also prohibit police from accepting federal or state funds for sex trafficking investigations that involve racial profiling. Such investigations often arise from raids on brothels that advertise as Asian massage parlors.
"We feel that repressive policies don't help trafficking victims, and that human rights-based approaches, including decriminalization, are actually more effective," said Carol Leigh, co-founder of the Bay Area Sex Workers Advocacy Network and a longtime advocate for prostitutes' rights.
But San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said the ballot question mistakenly assumes prostitution is a victimless crime.
"The crime of prostitution does not exist by itself," Harris said. "Along with it come pimps, johns and other crimes that really impact the safety of neighborhoods."
If the measure passes, supporters say, prostitutes would not feel the need for pimps as protection. But opponents insist it would embolden pimps who trap drug addicts into prostitution by plying them with drugs.
"The proponents usually paint a fairly rosy picture of two consenting adults and a monetary exchange at the end," Pardini said. "They don't factor in the people that are being exploited and people that are being controlled, the ones manipulated both physically and chemically."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93V4U0O0&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93V4U0O0&show_article=1)
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LOL this would make san fran one of the most popular vacation cities in the US if its not already. Not a good idea imho san fran is a beautiful town honestly one of the most beautiful towns ive been to in the US flagstaff, arizona is another one. I wouldnt want to see street walkers running around and trashing up such a nice location. I wonder how it would prevent the police from going after them?
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Prostitution is a victimless crime. It is a business transaction.
Should be legalized.
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Prostitution is a victimless crime. It is a business transaction.
Should be legalized.
ehhh thats akin to saying drug use is a victim less crime good on the surface but when you take a deeper look its not really true.
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ehhh thats akin to saying drug use is a victim less crime good on the surface but when you take a deeper look its not really true.
then we shold outlaw cigarettes and alcohol
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then we shold outlaw cigarettes and alcohol
by using that logic that would be correct but the difference is the amount of social disturbance that illicit drugs cause and legal drugs cause.
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by using that logic that would be correct but the difference is the amount of social disturbance that illicit drugs cause and legal drugs cause.
Drugs are practically legal now. Getting them is as easy as making a phone cal or going to the local market. Fully 50% of law enforcement centers around drug enforcement. And the problem is NOT getting better.
Look at the problems alcohol already give us. Violence, abuse and death.
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ehhh thats akin to saying drug use is a victim less crime good on the surface but when you take a deeper look its not really true.
Agree, I find it hard to believe that 95% of those women want to do that, must be a horrible thing, as far as I have read they fell into it with issues like drug addiction, runaways, illegals desperate to feed kids etc.
And unless someone can really say with a straight face wouldn't mind their wife, daughter and mom being prostitutes, then it shouldn't be considered a job that anyone should legally hold, and making things legal does condone them to an extent.
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EVERY woman is a prostitute to a certain extent.
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If they legalized it, I'm sure it would be regulated so this doesn't mean they'd be running around the streets like the article says right away. I don't have a hardcore stance on this really. It's something that will always be around, you can't stop it. San Fran needs to stop doing shit like this around election time IMO... gets carried around the country as a stop libs cry. more people voting for the guy they think has god on their side or some shit.
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"Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels".
I see major problems with prostitution but also wish to respect personal freedoms. I think Rhode Island has a reasonable compromise. When pimps get involved, I can only see bad things for all involved.
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Agree, I find it hard to believe that 95% of those women want to do that, must be a horrible thing, as far as I have read they fell into it with issues like drug addiction, runaways, illegals desperate to feed kids etc.
And unless someone can really say with a straight face wouldn't mind their wife, daughter and mom being prostitutes, then it shouldn't be considered a job that anyone should legally hold, and making things legal does condone them to an extent.
I disagree. People choose to be prostitutes. They may not like it, but they chose to do it. There are alternatives. Making it legal would allow for better safety, health and regulation.
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I 100% disagree with it being legalized. However, a hands-off approach by law enforcement doesnt seem like a bad thing. People want sex and money. Its human nature. Not everyone can become a pornstar. At the same time, making it legal will open the floodgates of explotation by unwilling participants, minors, and drug addicts being degraded to feed their habit. Also, dont kid yourself- Legalization cant be good for public health issues either.
One thing people dont realize is that legally, this might not survive a challenge even if the ordinance is passed. If strip clubs, XXX video stores and topless bars can be banned or zoned out of existance based on the "secondary effects doctrine" (Peep shows, xxx bookstores and the like will encourage undesirable effects such as drug dealing, drinking, violence, etc.), all it will take is a handfull of local citizens to do the same thing. It certainly will become an interesting first amendment issue.
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I 100% disagree with it being legalized. However, a hands-off approach by law enforcement doesnt seem like a bad thing. People want sex and money. Its human nature. Not everyone can become a pornstar. At the same time, making it legal will open the floodgates of explotation by unwilling participants, minors, and drug addicts being degraded to feed their habit. Also, dont kid yourself- Legalization cant be good for public health issues either.
One thing people dont realize is that legally, this might not survive a challenge even if the ordinance is passed. If strip clubs, XXX video stores and topless bars can be banned or zoned out of existance based on the "secondary effects doctrine", all it will take is a handfull of local citizens to do the same thing. It certainly will become an interesting first amendment issue.
legal is safer than illegal. The places in Nevada are regulated and they have to get check ups and safe sex is required. So the guy who goes into the regulated brothel vs. the guy who picked up an illegal street hooker, who is more likely to spread STDs? Also, it's up to the place, just like most towns will only allow so many bars, maybe they would only allow so many brothels? a lot to think about I guess.
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Good to know that SF is leading the way of the demoralization of America in every way.
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Good to know that SF is leading the way of the demoralization of America in every way.
That's why i love this place so much ;D It would be perfect if it wasn't for the arid climate and the traffic.
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legal is safer than illegal. The places in Nevada are regulated and they have to get check ups and safe sex is required. So the guy who goes into the regulated brothel vs. the guy who picked up an illegal street hooker, who is more likely to spread STDs? Also, it's up to the place, just like most towns will only allow so many bars, maybe they would only allow so many brothels? a lot to think about I guess.
Not to mention sex slavery, and physical abuse
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Whatever is decided, we have to keep hookers and pimps from peddling on the streets.
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Good to know that SF is leading the way of the demoralization of America in every way.
nothing immoral about it, no different than the gold digging whore who wants a house, wedding ring, cars, attention, clothes, jewelry, etc. for sex.
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Guys, wake up. DO you really think legalization is going to have an impact on your typical corner street hooker? There will still be unregulated prostitution. Do you know how expensive the hookers in Nevada are? Your average joe blow job looking for a quickie cant spend 1000 bucks-- Hes probably looking to drop 50 or 100 and theres going to be some streetwalking pig that will accomadate him. Thats another reason why this ordinance is useless.
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Whatever is decided, we have to keep hookers and pimps from peddling on the streets.
done right, this would naturally deture that. The jon would opt for the legit route leaving no business to be had on the street. Of course it will never be a 100% but done right, could lower the street business well below what the cops are able to do. and I imagine it would be taxed so there's money for the city :D
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Guys, wake up. DO you really think legalization is going to have an impact on your typical corner street hooker? There will still be unregulated prostitution. Do you know how expensive the hookers in Nevada are? Your average joe blow job looking for a quickie cant spend 1000 bucks-- Hes probably looking to drop 50 or 100 and theres going to be some streetwalking pig that will accomadate him. Thats another reason why this ordinance is useless.
no you're right, it won't end it but it could easily lower below what law enforcement can. Not all places are high end 1000 bucks for a bj... There would probably be a range of some kind and yea, there would still be the guy who doesn't want to pay more than 20 bucks and will look for it on the street.
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Guys, wake up. DO you really think legalization is going to have an impact on your typical corner street hooker? There will still be unregulated prostitution. Do you know how expensive the hookers in Nevada are? Your average joe blow job looking for a quickie cant spend 1000 bucks-- Hes probably looking to drop 50 or 100 and theres going to be some streetwalking pig that will accomadate him. Thats another reason why this ordinance is useless.
Hang out in Nevada some time. I'm sure there are instances as nothing will be 100%. But by and far, it's better.
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That's why i love this place so much ;D It would be perfect if it wasn't for the arid climate and the traffic.
LOL you should come live in houston for a few years then san frans arid climate will be a welcome change from houston humidity...thats actually why i liked it hahahah
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ehhh thats akin to saying drug use is a victim less crime good on the surface but when you take a deeper look its not really true.
How so? Drugs are victimless too, it's the people that are the problem, not the item being regulated.
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LOL you should come live in houston for a few years then san frans arid climate will be a welcome change from houston humidity...thats actually why i liked it hahahah
San Fran's Climate is actually not so arid. Everything around it is though and i live about an hour away.
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San Fran's Climate is actually not so arid. Everything around it is though and i live about an hour away.
I loved it when i was there took a whole day and walked all around the city with a couple of friends it was awesome.
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I worry about our society when stuff like this happens. :-\
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I worry about our society when stuff like this happens. :-\
It already has happened. And it's been happening.
And it won't stop until the white house is a pyramid and a center for gay marriage. ;D
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I worry about our society when stuff like this happens. :-\
when was it that prostitution didn't happen? I guess we could go taliban on society and that would fix it :D Just killem all...
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It already has happened. And it's been happening.
And it won't stop until the white house is a pyramid and a center for gay marriage. ;D
Hey it wouldn't surprise me.
Next up is murdering disabled babies. :-\
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when was it that prostitution didn't happen? I guess we could go taliban on society and that would fix it :D Just killem all...
When was it that murder didn't happen? Not a good argument.
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When was it that murder didn't happen? Not a good argument.
murder? lol... when a city talks about legalizing murder you can use that as a comeback... I didn't make an argument to start with... you said you worry about society when this happens, I just said when has it not happened in society? Yea, murder has always happened, but nobody is talking about legalizing murder lol...
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murder? lol... when a city talks about legalizing murder you can use that as a comeback... I didn't make an argument to start with... you said you worry about society when this happens, I just said when has it not happened in society? Yea, murder has always happened, but nobody is talking about legalizing murder lol...
Oh please. You mentioned prostitution being around forever to justify legalizing prostitution. The fact a practice has been taking place for thousands of years does not in any way legitimatize the practice.
Or maybe I’m wrong. Why did you mention that prostitution has been practiced forever?
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Oh please. You mentioned prostitution being around forever to justify legalizing prostitution. The fact a practice has been taking place for thousands of years does not in any way legitimatize the practice.
Or maybe I’m wrong. Why did you mention that prostitution has been practiced forever?
I mentioned it because of what you said! I was just replying to your comment. It is something to consider, you can't stop it, it's been around forever, why not control it in some way. It's one way to look at it. But saying the same for murder is silly. The city can legalize prostitution, they cannot legalize murder.
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I mentioned it because of what you said! I was just replying to your comment. It is something to consider, you can't stop it, it's been around forever, why not control it in some way. It's one way to look at it. But saying the same for murder is silly. The city can legalize prostitution, they cannot legalize murder.
O.K. I stand by statement that your argument doesn't work. You can look at any act (including murder) and make the claim that "you can't stop it, it's been around forever, why not control it in some way." That's not how we should make policy. We first determine whether the conduct should be permissible. We then regulate if necessary. If we have problems regulating the conduct, we fix the regulatory part, we don't legalize the activity. Our society will never completely eliminate any outlawed activity. It is always, for the most part, about control. Prostitution is no different.
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Prostitution doesn't seem to be much of a problem in Nevada.
And there are still murders.
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O.K. I stand by statement that your argument doesn't work. You can look at any act (including murder) and make the claim that "you can't stop it, it's been around forever, why not control it in some way." That's not how we should make policy. We first determine whether the conduct should be permissible. We then regulate if necessary. If we have problems regulating the conduct, we fix the regulatory part, we don't legalize the activity. Our society will never completely eliminate any outlawed activity. It is always, for the most part, about control. Prostitution is no different.
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Prostitution doesn't seem to be much of a problem in Nevada.
And there are still murders.
And rape, robbery, arson, etc.
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And rape, robbery, arson, etc.
But legalizing prostitution hasn't changed anything. Except maybe free up more money to fight those other things
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But legalizing prostitution hasn't changed anything. Except maybe free up more money to fight those other things
How do you know it hasn't changed anything?
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dude, you're crazy... nobody would look at murder and say it's been around forever, we can't stop it, might as well legalize it... you can't relate the two, your argument is dumb. I'm not arguing anything, you said you worry when stuff like this happens in society. I was pointing out that it always has happened. It's not new.
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dude, you're crazy... nobody would look at murder and say it's been around forever, we can't stop it, might as well legalize it... you can't relate the two, your argument is dumb. I'm not arguing anything, you said you worry when stuff like this happens in society. I was pointing out that it always has happened. It's not new.
its your logic that is dumb hugo you said well b/c its been around forever and you cant stop it we should legalize it beach is right in following of your dumb logic that would also apply to murder. You need more reasoning than that to legalize prostitution is what he is getting at i assume. I agree its not the same but more along the lines of reasons like ozmo said frees up money and like you said it can be regulated.
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its your logic that is dumb hugo you said well b/c its been around forever and you cant stop it we should legalize it beach is right in following of your dumb logic that would also apply to murder. You need more reasoning than that to legalize prostitution is what he is getting at i assume. I agree its not the same but more along the lines of reasons like ozmo said frees up money and like you said it can be regulated.
Correct.
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good to see a different thread on the political board :)
if all vices became legal we would see a different society and a better police force.
did google search, found a short article.
How To Defeat Organized Crime
http://members.tripod.com/orgcrime/defeatoc.htm (http://members.tripod.com/orgcrime/defeatoc.htm)
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good to see a different thread on the political board :)
if all vices became legal we would see a different society and a better police force.
did google search, found a short article.
How To Defeat Organized Crime
http://members.tripod.com/orgcrime/defeatoc.htm (http://members.tripod.com/orgcrime/defeatoc.htm)
there is a reason most vices are illegal for most its b/c when ppl indulge themselves in them they cant maintain a normal or "healthy" lifestlye.
The mob would just find something else to get into.
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lol @ stopping organized crime. People make the same argument for legalizing drugs and its a stupid one. No one but the wealthy will be able to afford the drugs and sex, and the drugs will be of piss poor quality. There will always be organized crime and they will always have their hooks in both areas.
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lol @ stopping organized crime. People make the same argument for legalizing drugs and its a stupid one. No one but the wealthy will be able to afford the drugs and sex, and the drugs will be of piss poor quality. There will always be organized crime and they will always have their hooks in both areas.
That's stupid dude and a empty argument (save stopping organized crime which in the case of drugs will just allow them to convert to legit operations). Legalized drugs is working fine in Amsterdam and is affordable. Same goes for prostitution in Amsterdam and Nevada. It's expensive now, and people have the ability to by it as easy as making a trip to the market.
What would be good is the government would be able to tax it. What makes it expensive now is trouble it takes to get illegal substances into the black market place.
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::) Its a stupid and empty argument that organized crime wont deal with prostitutes or drugs because its made legal. Great point.
Its expensive now and people have the ability to buy it as easy as going to the market? What planet are you on? You think your average joe cheating on his wife that works at the local Wal Mart is shelling out $1000 bucks to sleep with some high priced hooker? Why wouldn't he go to his local brothel/ massage parlor and pay half as much or, just drive around a bad neihborhood and pay $50?
The only argument of any substance you made is Amerstdam, which is the only place on earth both vices are legal and to a degree legalization is successful. You think there is no organized crime in Amsterdam?
I agree in decriminalizing sex and drugs to the extent there is little or no enforcement of the law, but legalization in the name of stopping organized crime is total nonsense.
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::) Its a stupid and empty argument that organized crime wont deal with prostitutes or drugs because its made legal. Great point.
Its expensive now and people have the ability to buy it as easy as going to the market? What planet are you on? You think your average joe cheating on his wife that works at the local Wal Mart is shelling out $1000 bucks to sleep with some high priced hooker? Why wouldn't he go to his local brothel/ massage parlor and pay half as much or, just drive around a bad neihborhood and pay $50?
The only argument of any substance you made is Amerstdam, which is the only place on earth both vices are legal and to a degree legalization is successful. You think there is no organized crime in Amsterdam?
I agree in decriminalizing sex and drugs to the extent there is little or no enforcement of the law, but legalization in the name of stopping organized crime is total nonsense.
I didn't say they wouldn't. They would just do it legally. Why do you think i think organized crime would go away? I don't.
As for paying for sex. Don't know much about it except from what I've heard, but i believe a trip to the Mustang/Bunny ranch is about $200 and they are doing great business in Nevada (Hbo special series). (the market i was talking about was the drug market) Also, in SF, sex is easy to buy, as easy as going down town. Jerry Rice got busted for it a while back.
Amsterdam is the only place i know that has legalized drugs. And it is working fine. who do you think probably owns much of the importing/exporting? Probably organized crime. but it's legal now for them. Now the cost of police enforcement is cut in half because they are not chasing drug dealers but instead keeping the streets safe.
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That's stupid dude and a empty argument (save stopping organized crime which in the case of drugs will just allow them to convert to legit operations). Legalized drugs is working fine in Amsterdam and is affordable. Same goes for prostitution in Amsterdam and Nevada. It's expensive now, and people have the ability to by it as easy as making a trip to the market.
What would be good is the government would be able to tax it. What makes it expensive now is trouble it takes to get illegal substances into the black market place.
Doesn't seem to be "working fine" according to this article (about a year old):
Amsterdam draws curtain on sex industry as red light windows close
Last updated at 13:38 21 September 2007
Shut up shop: A third of prostitute windows set to close
Amsterdam is set to lose a large chunk of its red light district, after the forced sale of a third of the buildings currently used for prostitution.
With its scantily-clad prostitutes posing in brothel windows and coffee shops oozing the pungent aroma of cannabis smoke, the red light district's seediness has always been part of its attraction.
But the district is a magnet for petty criminals and, authorities believe, human traffickers, drug lords and mobsters - who take advantage of the situation to launder money.
Amsterdam: the red light district's seediness has always been part of its attraction
Cracking down on prostitutes: Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen
The move is part of Mayor Job Cohen's efforts to counter that crime.
"What we do want is to get rid of the underlying criminality," said Cohen.
He insisted however that he didn't want to get rid of prostitution entirely, since it is part of the area's history and a major tourist draw for the city.
It is understood that the buildings could be turned into luxury apartments and tasteful shopping malls.
The NV Stadsgoed housing corporation has purchased 18 buildings with 51 windows, that have traditionally house window prostitutes in Amsterdam's famed red light district, for 25 million Euros.
That is around a third of the windows in the red light district, though there are other prostitution zones in the city.
NV Stadsgoed will redevelop some or all of the buildings, and because they are not likely to be worth as much as housing or regular commercial real estate, the city has agreed to reimburse the corporation by up to 15 million Euros.
Amsterdam has been conducting a crackdown on crime in the city centre for nearly five years, using a 2002 law that forces business operators to disclose detailed accounting in order to have their licenses renewed.
The seller in deal, "Fat" Charlie Geerts, was ordered by the city last year to close the windows because the city said he failed to meet standards.
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Shut up shop: A third of all the prostitute windows are set to close
But he filed a legal protest and Amsterdam's District Court granted an injunction against closures while he fought the decision.
Prostitution is legal in the Netherlands, and coffee shops are licensed to sell small amounts of marijuana.
Prostitutes' rights organizations have generally been indifferent to the crackdown, arguing that pimps are the main source of problems, not landlords.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483075/Amsterdam-draws-curtain-sex-industry-red-light-windows-close.html
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Doesn't seem to be "working fine" according to this article (about a year old):
Amsterdam draws curtain on sex industry as red light windows close
Last updated at 13:38 21 September 2007
Shut up shop: A third of prostitute windows set to close
Amsterdam is set to lose a large chunk of its red light district, after the forced sale of a third of the buildings currently used for prostitution.
With its scantily-clad prostitutes posing in brothel windows and coffee shops oozing the pungent aroma of cannabis smoke, the red light district's seediness has always been part of its attraction.
But the district is a magnet for petty criminals and, authorities believe, human traffickers, drug lords and mobsters - who take advantage of the situation to launder money.
Amsterdam: the red light district's seediness has always been part of its attraction
Cracking down on prostitutes: Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen
The move is part of Mayor Job Cohen's efforts to counter that crime.
"What we do want is to get rid of the underlying criminality," said Cohen.
He insisted however that he didn't want to get rid of prostitution entirely, since it is part of the area's history and a major tourist draw for the city.
It is understood that the buildings could be turned into luxury apartments and tasteful shopping malls.
The NV Stadsgoed housing corporation has purchased 18 buildings with 51 windows, that have traditionally house window prostitutes in Amsterdam's famed red light district, for 25 million Euros.
That is around a third of the windows in the red light district, though there are other prostitution zones in the city.
NV Stadsgoed will redevelop some or all of the buildings, and because they are not likely to be worth as much as housing or regular commercial real estate, the city has agreed to reimburse the corporation by up to 15 million Euros.
Amsterdam has been conducting a crackdown on crime in the city centre for nearly five years, using a 2002 law that forces business operators to disclose detailed accounting in order to have their licenses renewed.
The seller in deal, "Fat" Charlie Geerts, was ordered by the city last year to close the windows because the city said he failed to meet standards.
scroll down for more
Shut up shop: A third of all the prostitute windows are set to close
But he filed a legal protest and Amsterdam's District Court granted an injunction against closures while he fought the decision.
Prostitution is legal in the Netherlands, and coffee shops are licensed to sell small amounts of marijuana.
Prostitutes' rights organizations have generally been indifferent to the crackdown, arguing that pimps are the main source of problems, not landlords.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483075/Amsterdam-draws-curtain-sex-industry-red-light-windows-close.html
I didn't say fine to insinuate it was problem free.
Legalized prostitution has it's benefits:
- Prevention of STD's
- Prevention of physical abuse.
The crime described in the article is in many large cities. Legal or not. the mayor's move will do nothing, the crime will just go else where. They probably could do a better job enforcing and preventing it. Maybe they should do like California does with smog checks ;D
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I didn't say fine to insinuate it was problem free.
Legalized prostitution has it's benefits:
- Prevention of STD's
- Prevention of physical abuse.
The crime described in the article is in many large cities. Legal or not. the mayor's move will do nothing, the crime will just go else where. They probably could do a better job enforcing and preventing it. Maybe they should do like California does with smog checks ;D
Is there proven link between prostitution and the rate of STDs in San Francisco?
What physical abuse are you talking about? I've prostitutes beaten up in the movies, but how often does that happen in SF?
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Is there proven link between prostitution and the rate of STDs in San Francisco?
What physical abuse are you talking about? I've prostitutes beaten up in the movies, but how often does that happen in SF?
The potential for abuse comes comes form the PIMP and the John. Having legal prostitution allows for more of a controlled and safe location for the business.
As far STD's i doubt there much out there on stats because how many people are going to admit they got an STD from a hooker? Aside from that it's an obvious danger.
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The potential for abuse comes comes form the PIMP and the John. Having legal prostitution allows for more of a controlled and safe location for the business.
As far STD's i doubt there much out there on stats because how many people are going to admit they got an STD from a hooker? Aside from that it's an obvious danger.
Regarding STDs, if we're going to legalize prostitution in part to stop the spread of STDs, then I would think there should be some showing that it's a significant problem.
I understand the potential for abuse by a pimp and from a John, but again are those problems significant enough to legalize prostitution?
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Regarding STDs, if we're going to legalize prostitution in part to stop the spread of STDs, then I would think there should be some showing that it's a significant problem.
I understand the potential for abuse by a pimp and from a John, but again are those problems significant enough to legalize prostitution?
There's the criminality aspect of it. How much money is spent on vice? I think the point for many is that prostitution will not go away. Why not make it safer for everyone involved?
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mhvhealt.htm (http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mhvhealt.htm)
The health consequences to women from prostitution are the same injuries and infections suffered by women who are subjected to other forms of violence against women. The physical health consequences include: injury (bruises, broken bones, black eyes, concussions). A 1994 study conducted with 68 women in Minneapolis/St.Paul who had been prostituted for at least six months found that half the women had been physically assaulted by their purchasers, and a third of these experienced purchaser assaults at least several times a year. 23% of those assaulted were beaten severely enough to have suffered broken bones. Two experienced violence so vicious that they were beaten into a coma. Furthermore, 90% of the women in this study had experienced violence in their personal relationships resulting in miscarriage, stabbing, loss of consciousness, and head injuries (Parriott, Health Experiences of Twin Cities Women Used in Prostitution).
The sex of prostitution is physically harmful to women in prostitution. STDs (including HIV/AIDS, chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes, human papilloma virus, and syphilis) are alarmingly high among women in prostitution. Only 15 % of the women in the Minneapolis/St. Paul study had never contracted one of the STDs, not including AIDS, most injurious to health (chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrheal, herpes). General gynecological problems, but in particular chronic pelvic pain and pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), plague women in prostitution.. The Minneapolis/St. Paul study reported that 31% of the women interviewed had experienced at least one episode of PID which accounts for most of the serious illness associated with STD infection. Among these women, there was also a high incidence of positive pap smears, several times greater than the Minnesota Department of Health’s cervical cancer screening program for low and middle income women. More STD episodes can increase the risk of cervical cancer.
there's more but i didn't cut and paste the whole article.
That's from the first goolge link when "prostitution and STD's" where searched. I'm sure there's much more.
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There's the criminality aspect of it. How much money is spent on vice? I think the point for many is that prostitution will not go away. Why not make it safer for everyone involved?
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mhvhealt.htm (http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mhvhealt.htm)
The health consequences to women from prostitution are the same injuries and infections suffered by women who are subjected to other forms of violence against women. The physical health consequences include: injury (bruises, broken bones, black eyes, concussions). A 1994 study conducted with 68 women in Minneapolis/St.Paul who had been prostituted for at least six months found that half the women had been physically assaulted by their purchasers, and a third of these experienced purchaser assaults at least several times a year. 23% of those assaulted were beaten severely enough to have suffered broken bones. Two experienced violence so vicious that they were beaten into a coma. Furthermore, 90% of the women in this study had experienced violence in their personal relationships resulting in miscarriage, stabbing, loss of consciousness, and head injuries (Parriott, Health Experiences of Twin Cities Women Used in Prostitution).
The sex of prostitution is physically harmful to women in prostitution. STDs (including HIV/AIDS, chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes, human papilloma virus, and syphilis) are alarmingly high among women in prostitution. Only 15 % of the women in the Minneapolis/St. Paul study had never contracted one of the STDs, not including AIDS, most injurious to health (chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrheal, herpes). General gynecological problems, but in particular chronic pelvic pain and pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), plague women in prostitution.. The Minneapolis/St. Paul study reported that 31% of the women interviewed had experienced at least one episode of PID which accounts for most of the serious illness associated with STD infection. Among these women, there was also a high incidence of positive pap smears, several times greater than the Minnesota Department of Health’s cervical cancer screening program for low and middle income women. More STD episodes can increase the risk of cervical cancer.
there's more but i didn't cut and paste the whole article.
That's from the first goolge link when "prostitution and STD's" where searched. I'm sure there's much more.
You can make the same argument about any crime (it will not go away).
Good info about abuse and STDs. Thanks. I'd question the sample size (68 women in Minnesota), but that does provide some support for the abuse and STD angle.
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You can make the same argument about any crime (it will not go away).
Good info about abuse and STDs. Thanks. I'd question the sample size (68 women in Minnesota), but that does provide some support for the abuse and STD angle.
I'm not suggesting legalizing murder lol. ;D
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I'm not suggesting legalizing murder lol. ;D
lol. :D