Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: NaturalWonder83 on October 29, 2008, 08:02:23 PM
-
here is what i am currently taking...do u guys think anything is overkill? anything youd change? what about the animal pak? waste of money? if so what would u advise?
-animal pak w/ breakfast
-fish oil/evening primrose oil
-whey protein isolate post workout and as a meal repleacment mixed w/ almond butter and oats
waxy maize w/ aminos post workout
creatine pre workout
n.o. product pre workout
glycerol supplement pre workout
thanks
-
here is what i am currently taking...do u guys think anything is overkill? anything youd change? what about the animal pak? waste of money? if so what would u advise?
-animal pak w/ breakfast
-fish oil/evening primrose oil
-whey protein isolate post workout and as a meal repleacment mixed w/ almond butter and oats
waxy maize w/ aminos post workout
creatine pre workout
n.o. product pre workout
glycerol supplement pre workout
thanks
Throw away the animal pack, fish oil and glycerol. They are pretty much worthless.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
Throw away the animal pack, fish oil and glycerol. They are pretty much worthless.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
:o :o :o :o
your going to need to provide some detailed reasons for throing away the fish oil.
and among vitamins animal pack is the top of the line, although i would tend to agree that you can get sufficient vitamins from diet alone if your consuming enough fruits and vegetables.
glycerol can be a great supplement if used correctly.
-
You’re probably paying a bit more $$ than you need to for the Animal multi’s. AST makes good ones for a bit less.
Quality Fish Oil is on my good side.
Whey, waxy and BCAA’s all get 5 stars.
Creatine and NO are optional. If you’re getting great results and have money left over, why not?
Why are you taking the glycerol?
-
You’re probably paying a bit more $$ than you need to for the Animal multi’s. AST makes good ones for a bit less.
Quality Fish Oil is on my good side.
Whey, waxy and BCAA’s all get 5 stars.
Creatine and NO are optional. If you’re getting great results and have money left over, why not?
Why are you taking the glycerol?
Vascularity I would imagine, shit is thick like honey.
-
Why are you taking the glycerol?
taken pre workout with plenty of water it increases blood flow and pump like a motha fucka.
blood flow and pump = nutrient delivery and waste removal = better growth
-
You’re probably paying a bit more $$ than you need to for the Animal multi’s. AST makes good ones for a bit less.
Quality Fish Oil is on my good side.
Whey, waxy and BCAA’s all get 5 stars.
Creatine and NO are optional. If you’re getting great results and have money left over, why not?
Why are you taking the glycerol?
yeah im gonna stay on the creatine and no for another month then take a break
im trying controlled labs glycer grow-glycerol-everyone who used loved it and ive noticed my muscles stay a lot more full on it...the vasculairty is nuts-and i look leaner too-only thing i hate is how u have to drink so much water w/ itVascularity I would imagine, shit is thick like honey.
i actually put it dry in my mouth and swallow-doesnt mix well w/ water :o
-
your going to need to provide some detailed reasons for throing away the fish oil.
Polynsaturated fats increase oxidative stress and the need for vitamin E. There are much more concentrated sources of essential fatty acids that won't do nearly as much harm to your body as fish oil. I can understand why you support people taking lots and lots of many different supplements, since you are in the business of selling them...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
Polynsaturated fats increase oxidative stress and the need for vitamin E. There are much more concentrated sources of essential fatty acids that won't do nearly as much harm to your body as fish oil. I can understand why you support people taking lots and lots of many different supplements, since you are in the business of selling them...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I dont sell supplements, unfortunately i only buy them for now. (maybe ill help sell em one day).
anyway fish oil is super healthy, the o3's dha and epa are some of the healthiest things one can put in their body. not only are they extremely healthy, but also a fantastic body composition supplement that increase BMR, protein synthesisi, lipolysis, and decrease cortisol and elevate testosterone and growth hormone.
-
I dont sell supplements, unfortunately i only buy them for now. (maybe ill help sell em one day).
anyway fish oil is super healthy, the o3's dha and epa are some of the healthiest things one can put in their body. not only are they extremely healthy, but also a fantastic body composition supplement that increase BMR, protein synthesisi, lipolysis, and decrease cortisol and elevate testosterone and growth hormone.
I never disputed that decosoexaenoic acid and other ECAs are healthy. My point is that polynsaturated fats, like those found in fish oil, increase oxidative stress and the need for vitamin E, and that fish oil is not a particularly great source of them for the amount of polynsaturated fats you'll be putting in your body. There are better sources.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
do you mean you know of a better source of dha/epa than fish oil?
-
This is first time that I have ever heard someone say not to take fish oil...
-
This is first time that I have ever heard someone say not to take fish oil...
Udo from Udo's choice said it.
-
This is first time that I have ever heard someone say not to take fish oil...
Why would you take fish oil? It is a disgusting fat the Human body doesen't need anyway. Taking any polynsaturated fats is dangerous. Increased oxidative stress and need for vitamin E occur. Sure, decosoexapentaenoic acid is good for you, but by taking fish oil you'll be swalling a lot of useless greese that is only good at damaging your body. I would much rather take a synthetic prescription version of DCEPA than swallow rancid fat that is highly atomically unstable and will damage my cells by stealing electrong from them.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
Udo from Udo's choice said it.
ya he has no vested interest ::)
the conversion of ALA into epa/dha is highly inefficient, supplementation has shown numerous benefits in studies. A staple in my supplement regimen, worrying about REDOX upregulation because of increased need of vitamin E is like saying dont workout because that to increases oxidative stress. Inflammation is the number one killer in the world, most pathologies are variants of inflammation, blockade of COX and formation of leukotrienes in an imperfect world is a very good idea, especially considering the average american diet.
Fish oil consumption does change the fatty acid composition of the lipid bilayer moving it from an AA dominant membrane, which may have some negatives, it may have negative effectis on TH immune polarization but at high doses and may cause some pro oxidation. However, with all that said i recommend it for vascular health, brain health and mood benefits, stress reduction and general inflammation control.
oh ya, using the computer reduces levels of gluthathione, pick your poisons.
-
ya he has no vested interest ::)
the conversion of ALA into epa/dha is highly inefficient, supplementation has shown numerous benefits in studies. A staple in my supplement regimen, worrying about REDOX upregulation because of increased need of vitamin E is like saying dont workout because that to increases oxidative stress. Inflammation is the number one killer in the world, most pathologies are variants of inflammation, blockade of COX and formation of leukotrienes in an imperfect world is a very good idea, especially considering the average american diet.
Fish oil consumption does change the fatty acid composition of the lipid bilayer moving it from an AA dominant membrane, which may have some negatives, it may have negative effectis on TH immune polarization but at high doses and may cause some pro oxidation. However, with all that said i recommend it for vascular health, brain health and mood benefits, stress reduction and general inflammation control.
oh ya, using the computer reduces levels of gluthathione, pick your poisons.
I think his main argument was that practically all fish oil is contaminated and low quality. I wouldn't take his statements too seriously either, he sounds like a little bit of a whack job. He said e.g. that you have to eat everything raw or you literally kill yourself.
-
I think his main argument was that practically all fish oil is contaminated and low quality. I wouldn't take his statements too seriously either, he sounds like a little bit of a whack job. He said e.g. that you have to eat everything raw or you literally kill yourself.
consumer products tested 30-60 random fish oil supplements and know of them had any detectable levels of mercury, PCB's etc..
insane argument from udo, everything else is low quality buy my oil with shitty safflower in it and 06's which are replete in the diet today perhaps contributing to disease.
-
I would only bother with the creatine and no drinks for two weeks on and say two weeks off.
-
glycerol supplement pre workout
Is this the same as Vegetable Glycerine? How much are you taking? Timing?
-
a moderator that says dont take fish oil and dont take multivitamines. thats a first.
interesting.
-
Is this the same as Vegetable Glycerine? How much are you taking? Timing?
Im doing 4 scoops pre workout...i take it dry and chase it with my creatine and N.O. and a piece of fruit 30 mins pre workout
(http://www.controlledlabs.com/catalog/images/supp%20facts%20GlycerGrow%20label%20for%20sodium%202.jpg)
-
a moderator that says dont take fish oil and dont take multivitamines. thats a first.
interesting.
He is very spot on with most of his opinions.
-
I don't take fish oil and since I quit the multivitamins, I actually feel better.
-
He is very spot on with most of his opinions.
question is if he is about regardin fish oil and multi vitamines.
i doubt it.
-
I don't take fish oil and since I quit the multivitamins, I actually feel better.
try taking the fish oil. dont pussy foot around either, take a large amount. try to get 5 grams of dha and 5 grams of epa each day for two weeks. dont change anything else, keep it the only variable. come back in two weeks and tell me difference in bf %, total bodyweight, strength, skin tone, and mood. :)
-
try taking the fish oil. dont pussy foot around either, take a large amount. try to get 5 grams of dha and 5 grams of epa each day for two weeks. dont change anything else, keep it the only variable. come back in two weeks and tell me difference in bf %, total bodyweight, strength, skin tone, and mood. :)
maybe I will.
-
a moderator that says dont take fish oil and dont take multivitamines. thats a first.
interesting.
I am not one of the pack. :) And fish oil gets rancid very quickly and rancid polynsaturated fats are one of the strongest carcdinogens known. This, added to the fact that fish oil even in non-rancid state boosts free radicals, makes fish oil a big red flag to me. As for multivatimins...take them if you want, but methinks it's a waste of money. Linus Pauling, Nobel proze winner in chemistry, ran several trials on the effects of vitamin saturation and he concluded that only vitamins C and E provide added benefits when taken in massive amounts. Go bitch to him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
I am not one of the pack. :) And fish oil gets rancid very quickly and rancid polynsaturated fats are one of the strongest carcdinogens known. This, added to the fact that fish oil even in non-rancid state boosts free radicals, makes fish oil a big red flag to me. As for multivatimins...take them if you want, but methinks it's a waste of money. Linus Pauling, Nobel proze winner in chemistry, ran several trials on the effects of vitamin saturation and he concluded that only vitamins C and E provide added benefits when taken in massive amounts. Go bitch to him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
It's very hard to take anything you say seriously. First you start off by saying fish oil and multivitamines are pretty much worthless, it's one thing to have an opinion of possible side effects, but to claim they're pretty much worthless with the numerous positive studies available is just not very serious. Then you falsly accuse a poster on here that the only reason he's positive to them is because he sells them (which he didn't)
Then you go on saying it's a "disgusting fat" (sounds more like you're a militant vegan) and you being named "suck my muscle" doesn't really help either. Can you imagine anyone serious about nutrition talking about fish oil as "disgusting" and calling himself "suck my muscle" ?? No me neither...
You claim fish oil gets rancid very quickly, well that would depend on how you handle it and you go on about the need to add vitamin E, well a lot of times fish oil are already fortified with vitamin E and other synthetic antioxidants to prevent them from turning rancid. This is sufficient to counter any free radical production that may occur as they spoil, a result of oxidation.
And let's not forget that free radicals are just POTENTIALLY harmfull, their link to disease has not yet been proven conclusively.
As for multivitamines, we're not talking about added benefits from massive amounts, we're talking about shortage of vitamines and reaching RDI.
-
It's very hard to take anything you say seriously. First you start off by saying fish oil and multivitamines are pretty much worthless, it's one thing to have an opinion of possible side effects, but to claim they're pretty much worthless with the numerous positive studies available is just not very serious. Then you falsly accuse a poster on here that the only reason he's positive to them is because he sells them (which he didn't)
Then you go on saying it's a "disgusting fat" (sounds more like you're a militant vegan) and you being named "suck my muscle" doesn't really help either. Can you imagine anyone serious about nutrition talking about fish oil as "disgusting" and calling himself "suck my muscle" ?? No me neither...
You claim fish oil gets rancid very quickly, well that would depend on how you handle it and you go on about the need to add vitamin E, well a lot of times fish oil are already fortified with vitamin E and other synthetic antioxidants to prevent them from turning rancid. This is sufficient to counter any free radical production that may occur as they spoil, a result of oxidation.
And let's not forget that free radicals are just POTENTIALLY harmfull, their link to disease has not yet been proven conclusively.
As for multivitamines, we're not talking about added benefits from massive amounts, we're talking about shortage of vitamines and reaching RDI.
The pros/cons of taking fish oil don't make it worth it in my opinion. There are studies that say fish oil are great, and then there are others that say the cons far outweight the pros. There are many other sources of essential fatty acids that don't have the cons of fish oil.
As for my username, I really don't care what a board newbie with 30,000+ posts has to say about it. And there was a moderator here by the username of "usmokepole", so my username is hardly unusual. And finally, I am giving you an official warning: you are making it personal with several posters and trolling on many threads, and if you continue I will start deleting your posts and will send several posts of yours that I've archived to Ron.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
The pros/cons of taking fish oil don't make it worth it in my opinion. There are studies that say fish oil are great, and then there are others that say the cons far outweight the pros. There are many other sources of essential fatty acids that don't have the cons of fish oil.
As for my username, I really don't care what a board newbie with 30,000+ posts has to say about it. And there was a moderator here by the username of "usmokepole", so my username is hardly unusual. And finally, I am giving you an official warning: you are making it personal with several posters and trolling on many threads, and if you continue I will start deleting your posts and will send several posts of yours that I've archived to Ron.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You make it sound like the studies are 50/50? I challenge you to post numerous studies with the conclusion that the cons far outweight the pros - feel free to post them or link to them!
-
what do yall think of dessicated liver tabs?
i took them for 5 years-4 w/ every meal...and then recently i just stopped...trying to cut down on money etc
any of yall take em?
-
what do yall think of dessicated liver tabs?
i took them for 5 years-4 w/ every meal...and then recently i just stopped...trying to cut down on money etc
any of yall take em?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=186492.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123211.0
-
what do yall think of dessicated liver tabs?
i took them for 5 years-4 w/ every meal...and then recently i just stopped...trying to cut down on money etc
any of yall take em?
What is the point of taking that? It is something that containes Iron and B vitamins. Why would you take something like that if you can purchase a B vitamin supplement that will give you sveral times the concentration of B vitamins the liver tablets give you for the same price. And why would you want to take extra B vitamins anyway? They're hydrosoluble and your body simply expels what it can't use. A complete waste of money in my opinion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
What is the point of taking that? It is something that containes Iron and B vitamins. Why would you take something like that if you can purchase a B vitamin supplement that will give you sveral times the concentration of B vitamins the liver tablets give you for the same price. And why would you want to take extra B vitamins anyway? They're hydrosoluble and your body simply expels what it can't use. A complete waste of money in my opinion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
improved sleep/dream recall, morning sickness, niacin lowers LDL quite effectively, niacinamide helps with osteoarthritis, mast cell degranulation. There are alot more reasons but this is off the top of my head
-
what do yall think of dessicated liver tabs?
i took them for 5 years-4 w/ every meal...and then recently i just stopped...trying to cut down on money etc
any of yall take em?
I take 50/day divided over two doses – Vitamin Shoppe brand.
Good source of iron, folic acid and B vitamins 1&12 (12 helps metabolize food into energy).
I use them as two of my daily “meals” – part of them, anyway.
The label reads dessicated, defatted BEEF liver.
Beef is good, as we all know the muscle building benefits it provides – protein, amino acids, etc.
-
Some good advice here.
-
improved sleep/dream recall, morning sickness, niacin lowers LDL quite effectively, niacinamide helps with osteoarthritis, mast cell degranulation. There are alot more reasons but this is off the top of my head
Again, no need to take liver tablets. You will get a much higher dose of all those vitamins for the same price by just taking a B-complex. And why would you want to recall your dreams? And what is the point of taking mega doses of vitamin Bs if your body expels what it doesen't use anyway? Sure, niacin is a very special case in it's ability to raise HDL, but I don't think this applies to other B vitamins.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
Again, no need to take liver tablets. You will get a much higher dose of all those vitamins for the same price by just taking a B-complex. And why would you want to recall your dreams? And what is the point of taking mega doses of vitamin Bs if your body expels what it doesen't use anyway? Sure, niacin is a very special case in it's ability to raise HDL, but I don't think this applies to other B vitamins.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
i beleive there was a report recently released that many americans (i forget the acutal stat) are deficient in one of the b vitamins.
Im just arguing your statement that b vitamins are worthless. Dream recall is a sign of sleep quality along with lucid dreams, SWS is more imp but dream recall has some merit.
other b vitamins have unique properties, methylfolate a form of folate has anti depressant properties, numerous forms of thiamine have a broad range of activities.
I agree that most people do not need a b vitamin over and above a good diet.
-
why the heck would anyone be putting blended fish oil tabs in a shake when you could just swallow them... that just sounds disgusting
-
why the heck would anyone be putting blended fish oil tabs in a shake when you could just swallow them... that just sounds disgusting
There are a lot of assholes on this board.
-
There are a lot of assholes on this board.
"1. Show common courtesy at all times. Know the difference between a difference of opinion and a personal attack. Don't engage in insults."
Behave yourself.
-
"1. Show common courtesy at all times. Know the difference between a difference of opinion and a personal attack. Don't engage in insults."
Behave yourself.
So you have read that board rule? I was excusing your behavior on the premisse that you weren't aware of how you aren't allowed to behave here. Interesting. Maybe I should reconsider it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
-
do you mean you know of a better source of dha/epa than fish oil?
x2
-
Animal Omega...Damn Good EFA Supp. ;D
-
"1. Show common courtesy at all times. Know the difference between a difference of opinion and a personal attack. Don't engage in insults."
Behave yourself.
Here's one of them now.
-
Animal Omega...Damn Good EFA Supp. ;D
garbage... priced at 25 bucks per 30 packets and in each packet =
Omega 3 Fatty Acid (N-3 FA) Complex 4000mg
Flaxseed Oil **
Salmon Oil **
Cod Liver Oil **
Herring Oil **
Anchovy Oil **
Mackerel Oil **
Sardine Oil **
Omega 6 Fatty Acid (N-6 FA) Complex 2500mg
Borage Oil **
Safflower Oil **
Evening Primrose Oil **
Sesamin **
Omega Absorption Complex 200mg
Lecithin (Soy) **
L-Carnitine **
Lipase Enzyme
this tells you nothing. besides the fact it includes abunch of non necessary fats, and also some fats that have negative sides.
wheres the amount of EPA/DHA ? for all we know the omega 3 could be 3900mg flax seed and then 100mg of mixed of the rest of the fats. borage and safflower? safflower is counterproductive to what these efas are doing in regards to imflamation, and theres no need for borage when you have evening primrose. oral l carnitine is useless, no reason for the lecithin.
a much better efa would be two buy bulk high grade fish oil, bulk high grade evening primrose oil, and take them with every meal except pre and post workout.
the sesamin is a great fat loss fat however i am not sure you would want to use it during off season.
-
try taking the fish oil. dont pussy foot around either, take a large amount. try to get 5 grams of dha and 5 grams of epa each day for two weeks. dont change anything else, keep it the only variable. come back in two weeks and tell me difference in bf %, total bodyweight, strength, skin tone, and mood. :)
maybe I will.
5 grams each is way overkill IMO.
Go back and read this post by Will to get a better (and realistic) understanding on how to dose fish oil. Extreme high doses have only been shown to be therapeutic with neurological disorders (Alzheimer's, parkinsons, ADHD, schizophrenia, etc.)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=240141.0