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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: HarleyBreite on November 04, 2008, 09:29:28 PM
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Hey Guys,
I am here to clear something up. It was posted here or printed in a magazine that backstage, after the announcements of the 2008 Atlantic City placements, Craig Richardson went up to King Kamali in disbelief and told him that he can't believe Kamali was not in the top 5. The story even has Craig using the "f" word. I am here to tell you that never happened. It just didn't.
Let the record be clear, that neither Craig nor I have ever had a bad encounter with King Kamali.
Harley
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So Kamali made it up? Why?
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How is telling him he should've placed better a bad encounter?
It isn't. I didn't want anyone to think that Craig dislikes King or anything of that sort.
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How is telling him he should've placed better a bad encounter?
I might think if someone is making shit up about me, that i must have pissed them off or something...Or what I believe is King fcking Kamali truly believes he is better then some people and can talk about them and they won't do shit...Either way, King is a douche bag any way you slice it...
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I made an edit to my post. I thought I read the original post wrong.
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Why doesn't Craig post here?
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It isn't. I didn't want anyone to think that Craig dislikes King or anything of that sort.
are you saying tamali is a lying asshole who makes up storys??? ??? a shitmouth full of lies ???
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Hey Guys,
I am here to clear something up. It was posted here or printed in a magazine
Neither are true. Also, magazine coverage would not be out yet anyway.
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So Kamali made it up? Why?
'Cause that's how King Kamali is. ::)
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Neither are true. Also, magazine coverage would not be out yet anyway.
It is true coz i read it myself
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Harley you got any stories about Tom Prince.
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It is true coz i read it myself
6th place was and is an absolute joke. My God I can't tell you people how many people (My peers, expeditor's, pro figure girls, the MC, fans, and my fellow competitors came up to me and said this was just a fucking joke. Even some (a couple MD writers, FLEX writer, and a certain GURU) said that it was the wrong decision. I have two favorite parts of last night, one was when all the top 15 men finished their posing routines I was approached by the head expediter and was told: "to stick around because I was in the top 5"... So I did. And then 30 minutes later I was approached by the same guy and was told: "sorry King, I was wrong you did not make the top 5"?!?! What?? Are you fucking kidding me. Who gets the first call out and crushes and then does not make the top 5? Second was when I walked back to the dressing room (as EVERYONE was congratulating me and telling me to kick ass during the posedown) and I started putting my cloths back on and Darrem, Tracy Greenwood, Will Harris, JJ, and a couple of the Spanish IFBB competitors were looking at me like I had 6 heads and asked me why I'm getting dressed. I looked at them with a smile and said I did not make the top 5... OMG the looks on their faces I will never forget. NO ONE said a word and just looked at me in disbelief. I got dressed and as I was walking out Craig Richardson grabs me and says what the fuck am I doing, I have to be back on stage in a few minutes... Then like a lightning bolt he looks at me with that same crazy look and says: "you have got to be kidding me?"........................ .................. Folks, that was the cherry on top of the cake. Forget about the countless fans that were looking at me with confusion as I walked through the audience to find my family so I could get the fuck out of there. People, let's put the bullshit aside, let's put the ass kissing aside and let's stay real here. Did I deserve the win, no. Did I have myself 2nd, no. Did I have myself in the top 4, HELL YES! Jim was in utter and total shock and it took my father and brother in law to calm him down. All that work and suffering to get fucked like this. I will have ALOT MORE TO SAY in my MuscleMag column and my website and in interviews, believe me God I will not let this one go without a good old street fight, but, can we all say: HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!! I ROCKED THE HOUSE AND THEY CAN NEVER TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME! Here are some pics from MD Online and Flexonline... Enjoy!
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Neither are true. Also, magazine coverage would not be out yet anyway.
Lol,
His meltdown post was all over this board and several others......and yes,, he mentioned Craig
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And Btw,
kamali is not even in Craig's league.
Craig has something that Kamali will never have...
Aesthetics
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I'm sure Kamali will read this thread and tell us his side of the story. Maybe in the heat of the moment, he confused Craig with someone else. ???
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Guys,
That was impressive how you found the quote and then posted pics of Kamali and Craig next to each other.
Perhaps King just made an unintentional mistake. We all do that. I just felt that I had an opportunity to set the record straight, at least from our point of view.
The reason Craig doesn't post is that he is less adroit with a computer than even I. Also, my work allows me to be close to a computer for longer periods of time so this method is much more productive. I assure you that Craig agrees with everything I write about our training or his routine unless I mention otherwise or am giving my opinion on a specific guy's physique.
One other reason that some of you might appreciate is that Craig is a much friendlier and nicer guy than I. He certainly is more diplomatic (case in point when I almost got into a physical fight with Dorian Yates). I cannot be harmed by anything I write nor do I care as much with regard to the brutal attacks. Neither my potential livelihood nor reputation is jeopardized whereas, Craig could suffer the wrath of the "higher ups" should he divulge something deemed classified.
I just wanted to set the record straight and again, Craig and I don't have any negative experiences with King Kamali. He has always been polite and friendly to Craig.
Harley
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Melvin sure looks good in that line up. Nice lines!
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Of course Tamali made the whole thing up. After every show he has a list of people who he claims told him he should have placed higher. He does it after every single show. He's delusional. He recieved a gift in Atlantic City. Everyone knows that.
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Guys,
That was impressive how you found the quote and then posted pics of Kamali and Craig next to each other.
Perhaps King just made an unintentional mistake. We all do that. I just felt that I had an opportunity to set the record straight, at least from our point of view.
The reason Craig doesn't post is that he is less adroit with a computer than even I. Also, my work allows me to be close to a computer for longer periods of time so this method is much more productive. I assure you that Craig agrees with everything I write about our training or his routine unless I mention otherwise or am giving my opinion on a specific guy's physique.
One other reason that some of you might appreciate is that Craig is a much friendlier and nicer guy than I. He certainly is more diplomatic (case in point when I almost got into a physical fight with Dorian Yates). I cannot be harmed by anything I write nor do I care as much with regard to the brutal attacks. Neither my potential livelihood nor reputation is jeopardized whereas, Craig could suffer the wrath of the "higher ups" should he divulge something deemed classified.
I just wanted to set the record straight and again, Craig and I don't have any negative experiences with King Kamali. He has always been polite and friendly to Craig.
Harley
You gotta spill the beans on when you almost fought Dorian Yates
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You gotta spill the beans on when you almost fought Dorian Yates
It doesn't appear that anyone else is interested in that story. It is true and it happened not only in front of Craig, but also Dexter and Dennis James. It was one of the few times I ever called out a guy to fight.
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It doesn't appear that anyone else is interested in that story. It is true and it happened not only in front of Craig, but also Dexter and Dennis James. It was one of the few times I ever called out a guy to fight.
I for one am interested. What was the problem with Yates?
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It doesn't appear that anyone else is interested in that story. It is true and it happened not only in front of Craig, but also Dexter and Dennis James. It was one of the few times I ever called out a guy to fight.
tell us bro
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I for one am interested. What was the problem with Yates?
Well, you want the truth, here it is.
I believe the year was 2003 because we went into NYC to see Dexter the day before Craig was to compete in the Night of Champions. It was his first time doing the show and Dex was going to check out his condition. We met Dex, Dennis James and Stan McCrary at Dex's room where Dex checked out Craig and warned us that Victor Martinez was looking very dangerous. I later ate a big plate of crow as I pronounced that Victor would only be allowed to carry Craig's trophy. For those who don't know me, I like to talk more trash than Gary Payton but only with people who know I am joking and know that I too have thick skin.
After leaving the room, a whole bunch of pros went to a diner down the block. We all sat together and Dorian happened to be across from me to my left. I engaged him in conversation as I had just finished reading Winston Churchill's "The Gathering Storm." I told Dorian how much I enjoyed London and how much I admired Churchill.
To my huge surprise, Dorian started denigrating Churchill and Prime Minister Tony Blair. He then went on a tirade attacking President Bush and then America itself. He said that America was a coward and a bully for invading Iraq. He said that President Bush and the American society were stupid.
Craig immediately got nervous as he knew I wasn't going to sit back and not respond. I asked Dorian if he had first, ever read any history, let alone Churchill's own words. I reminded him that the same group of people he forever imprinted on his forearm were the ones who mercilessly bombed women and children living in London during WWll.
I then moved on and asked him if when he was paid by Weider the check was in dollars or pounds. I brought up that virtually everyone who helped him was an American and most of his guest posings were due to American promotors or Americans with influence on overseas promoters. I reminded him that although he really isn't a well-known person, the only people who kiss his ass are predominantly Americans. I then also noted that all his success occured in America itself.
At this time, Dex was laughing aloud and waiving his arms. Dennis James was warning me not to start an argument with a guy so big. Craig was pleading with me to stop and not let it escalate any further.
Well, I let it. I then asked Dorain if he thought the guy speaking to him now was an American coward. Before he could answer, I said, "Why don't we go outside right now in front of all your friends and see if all Americans are cowards. C'mon, I'm a small guy, show all your friends how tough you are and crush me right outside."
At this point, Dex tried to calm the situation. Craig knew there was nothing he could do. I apologized to Craig because I knew that Dorian still had some political clout and I didn't want Craig to suffer any damage. I stood up, looked at Dorian, said to him, "well?" and then got up and walked out.
It should be noted that I don't condone violence nor fighting without a legitimate reason. My actions were immature. I let my emotions get the better of me. That is not how I was brought up.
I am sure some of you will find a way to audit me and I welcome that as this was not intended to be some act of bravado, just a truthful recount of a sad situation with two people who should've acted better.
Harley
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Well, you want the truth, here it is.
I believe the year was 2003 because we went into NYC to see Dexter the day before Craig was to compete in the Night of Champions. It was his first time doing the show and Dex was going to check out his condition. We met Dex, Dennis James and Stan McCrary at Dex's room where Dex checked out Craig and warned us that Victor Martinez was looking very dangerous. I later ate a big plate of crow as I pronounced that Victor would only be allowed to carry Craig's trophy. For those who don't know me, I like to talk more trash than Gary Payton.
How is Yates involved again?
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Don't be so hard on yourself Harley. :D
Was alcohol involved?
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Well, you want the truth, here it is.
I believe the year was 2003 because we went into NYC to see Dexter the day before Craig was to compete in the Night of Champions. It was his first time doing the show and Dex was going to check out his condition. We met Dex, Dennis James and Stan McCrary at Dex's room where Dex checked out Craig and warned us that Victor Martinez was looking very dangerous. I later ate a big plate of crow as I pronounced that Victor would only be allowed to carry Craig's trophy. For those who don't know me, I like to talk more trash than Gary Payton but only with people who know I am joking and know that I too have thick skin.
After leaving the room, a whole bunch of pros went to a diner down the block. We all sat together and Dorian happened to be across from me to my left. I engaged him in conversation as I had just finished reading Winston Churchill's "The Gathering Storm." I told Dorian how much I enjoyed London and how much I admired Churchill.
To my huge surprise, Dorian started denigrating Churchill and Prime Minister Tony Blair. He then went on a tirade attacking President Bush and then America itself. He said that America was a coward and a bully for invading Iraq. He said that President Bush and the American society were stupid.
Craig immediately got nervous as he knew I wasn't going to sit back and not respond. I asked Dorian if he had first, ever read any history, let alone Churchill's own words. I reminded him that the same group of people he forever imprinted on his forearm were the ones who mercilessly bombed women and children living in London during WWll.
I then moved on and asked him if when he was paid by Weider the check was in dollars or pounds. I brought up that virtually everyone who helped him was an American and most of his guest posings were due to American promotors or Americans with influence on overseas promoters. I reminded him that although he really isn't a well-known person, the only people who kiss his ass are predominantly Americans. I then also noted that all his success occured in America itself.
At this time, Dex was laughing aloud and waiving his arms. Dennis James was warning me not to start an argument with a guy so big. Craig was pleading with me to stop and not let it escalate any further.
Well, I let it. I then asked Dorain if he thought the guy speaking to him now was an American coward. Before he could answer, I said, "Why don't we go outside right now in front of all your friends and see if all Americans are cowards. C'mon, I'm a small guy, show all your friends how tough you are and crush me right outside."
At this point, Dex tried to calm the situation. Craig knew there was nothing he could do. I apologized to Craig because I knew that Dorian still had some political clout and I didn't want Craig to suffer any damage. I stood up, looked at Dorian, said to him, "well?" and then got up and walked out.
It should be noted that I don't condone violence nor fighting without a legitimate reason. My actions were immature. I let my emotions get the better of me. That is not how I was brought up.
I am sure some of you will find a way to audit me and I welcome that as this was not intended to be some act of bravado, just a truthful recount of a sad situation with two people who should've acted better.
Harley
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hahahah exactly my old friend....ppl pop up on these boards with stories of eating with dorian and discussing politics at the round table every month or so.... of course with no pictures....
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Well, you want the truth, here it is.
I believe the year was 2003 because we went into NYC to see Dexter the day before Craig was to compete in the Night of Champions. It was his first time doing the show and Dex was going to check out his condition. We met Dex, Dennis James and Stan McCrary at Dex's room where Dex checked out Craig and warned us that Victor Martinez was looking very dangerous. I later ate a big plate of crow as I pronounced that Victor would only be allowed to carry Craig's trophy. For those who don't know me, I like to talk more trash than Gary Payton but only with people who know I am joking and know that I too have thick skin.
After leaving the room, a whole bunch of pros went to a diner down the block. We all sat together and Dorian happened to be across from me to my left. I engaged him in conversation as I had just finished reading Winston Churchill's "The Gathering Storm." I told Dorian how much I enjoyed London and how much I admired Churchill.
To my huge surprise, Dorian started denigrating Churchill and Prime Minister Tony Blair. He then went on a tirade attacking President Bush and then America itself. He said that America was a coward and a bully for invading Iraq. He said that President Bush and the American society were stupid.
Craig immediately got nervous as he knew I wasn't going to sit back and not respond. I asked Dorian if he had first, ever read any history, let alone Churchill's own words. I reminded him that the same group of people he forever imprinted on his forearm were the ones who mercilessly bombed women and children living in London during WWll.
I then moved on and asked him if when he was paid by Weider the check was in dollars or pounds. I brought up that virtually everyone who helped him was an American and most of his guest posings were due to American promotors or Americans with influence on overseas promoters. I reminded him that although he really isn't a well-known person, the only people who kiss his ass are predominantly Americans. I then also noted that all his success occured in America itself.
At this time, Dex was laughing aloud and waiving his arms. Dennis James was warning me not to start an argument with a guy so big. Craig was pleading with me to stop and not let it escalate any further.
Well, I let it. I then asked Dorain if he thought the guy speaking to him now was an American coward. Before he could answer, I said, "Why don't we go outside right now in front of all your friends and see if all Americans are cowards. C'mon, I'm a small guy, show all your friends how tough you are and crush me right outside."
At this point, Dex tried to calm the situation. Craig knew there was nothing he could do. I apologized to Craig because I knew that Dorian still had some political clout and I didn't want Craig to suffer any damage. I stood up, looked at Dorian, said to him, "well?" and then got up and walked out.
It should be noted that I don't condone violence nor fighting without a legitimate reason. My actions were immature. I let my emotions get the better of me. That is not how I was brought up.
I am sure some of you will find a way to audit me and I welcome that as this was not intended to be some act of bravado, just a truthful recount of a sad situation with two people who should've acted better.
Harley
You're not an American Coward your a fucking nutcase! WTF?
What Dorian believes is what a lot of the world outside of your propaganda filled media run country believes.
Actually going on yesterday's election results i would say maybe more of your own country believes it too.
Just because America gave Dorian success, and America is a place where someone can go from nothing to something, doesn't mean he has to agree on everything it does. LOL
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You're not an American Coward your a fucking nutcase! WTF?
What Dorian believes is what a lot of the world outside of your propaganda filled media run country believes.
Actually going on yesterday's election results i would say maybe more of your own country believes it too.
Just because America gave Dorian success, and America is a place where someone can go from nothing to something, doesn't mean he has to agree on everything it does. LOL
this guy was allright with me until he came up with the psuedo tough guy act. ::)
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this guy was allright with me until he came up with the psuedo tough guy act. ::)
Oh no, you mean he's doesn't have the approval of Trailer Park Dave anymore??? ::)
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Hey Guys,
I am here to clear something up. It was posted here or printed in a magazine that backstage, after the announcements of the 2008 Atlantic City placements, Craig Richardson went up to King Kamali in disbelief and told him that he can't believe Kamali was not in the top 5. The story even has Craig using the "f" word. I am here to tell you that never happened. It just didn't.
Let the record be clear, that neither Craig nor I have ever had a bad encounter with King Kamali.
Harley
Your boy Craig Richardsons biceps are syntholized to the max
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You didn't finish the story there Harley. What did Dorian do once you challenged him and went outside?
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I am no tough guy and if I had to act like one, I wouldn't hide behind a computer.
I am certainly tolerant of others' opinions but there was no need for Dorian to make fun of our soldiers and call them cowards. Yes, he did that too. I lost my kool, which I said was wrong, but that is far different from putting on a "psuedo tough guy act."
I actually thought you guys would find the story amusing just as when you posted a story of Yates getting a black eye. As far as a photo? I don't know anyone who is about to engage in a street fight who stops and requests a photo. If credibility is at issue, ask people who know of me, Dex, Dennis James, Stan McCrary or even Dorian. Again, it may sound like a proud moment to guys who are perhaps insecure, but for me, I was upset with myself for allowing it to escalate.
To answer the last post, Dorian did nothing when I said "well?" He refused to get up and Dex was quick to make sure I left with Craig.
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this guy was allright with me until he came up with the psuedo tough guy act. ::)
Same.
Dorian didn't even act aggressive to you all he did was give his opinion.
So someone else has a different opinion to you? Shit ay..................
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Same.
Dorian didn't even act aggressive to you all he did was give his opinion.
So someone else has a different opinion to you? Shit ay..................
i'm sensing that Harley was somewhat jealous of Dorian's success and the fact that he was THE BEST IN THE WORLD at his chosen profession for 6 years running, not many people can claim that.
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I suppose Dorian was just saying what he truely believed,
However being British myself, I would never start that kinda rant IN America, surrounded by americans,
A little rude tbh.
I think Harley is telling the truth, a patriot, not a lunatic.
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i'm sensing that Harley was somewhat jealous of Dorian's success and the fact that he was THE BEST IN THE WORLD at his chosen profession for 6 years running, not many people can claim that.
I challenged Dorian to a fight one time at Denny's. The fucker was talking some shit about how rear delts should be trained on back day. You can ask anyone that knows me, I won't tolerate that bullshit.
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I challenged Dorian to a fight one time at Denny's. The fucker was talking some shit about how rear delts should be trained on back day. You can ask anyone that knows me, I won't tolerate that bullshit.
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Well, you want the truth, here it is.
I believe the year was 2003 because we went into NYC to see Dexter the day before Craig was to compete in the Night of Champions. It was his first time doing the show and Dex was going to check out his condition. We met Dex, Dennis James and Stan McCrary at Dex's room where Dex checked out Craig and warned us that Victor Martinez was looking very dangerous. I later ate a big plate of crow as I pronounced that Victor would only be allowed to carry Craig's trophy. For those who don't know me, I like to talk more trash than Gary Payton but only with people who know I am joking and know that I too have thick skin.
After leaving the room, a whole bunch of pros went to a diner down the block. We all sat together and Dorian happened to be across from me to my left. I engaged him in conversation as I had just finished reading Winston Churchill's "The Gathering Storm." I told Dorian how much I enjoyed London and how much I admired Churchill.
To my huge surprise, Dorian started denigrating Churchill and Prime Minister Tony Blair. He then went on a tirade attacking President Bush and then America itself. He said that America was a coward and a bully for invading Iraq. He said that President Bush and the American society were stupid.
Craig immediately got nervous as he knew I wasn't going to sit back and not respond. I asked Dorian if he had first, ever read any history, let alone Churchill's own words. I reminded him that the same group of people he forever imprinted on his forearm were the ones who mercilessly bombed women and children living in London during WWll.
I then moved on and asked him if when he was paid by Weider the check was in dollars or pounds. I brought up that virtually everyone who helped him was an American and most of his guest posings were due to American promotors or Americans with influence on overseas promoters. I reminded him that although he really isn't a well-known person, the only people who kiss his ass are predominantly Americans. I then also noted that all his success occured in America itself.
At this time, Dex was laughing aloud and waiving his arms. Dennis James was warning me not to start an argument with a guy so big. Craig was pleading with me to stop and not let it escalate any further.
Well, I let it. I then asked Dorain if he thought the guy speaking to him now was an American coward. Before he could answer, I said, "Why don't we go outside right now in front of all your friends and see if all Americans are cowards. C'mon, I'm a small guy, show all your friends how tough you are and crush me right outside."
At this point, Dex tried to calm the situation. Craig knew there was nothing he could do. I apologized to Craig because I knew that Dorian still had some political clout and I didn't want Craig to suffer any damage. I stood up, looked at Dorian, said to him, "well?" and then got up and walked out.
It should be noted that I don't condone violence nor fighting without a legitimate reason. My actions were immature. I let my emotions get the better of me. That is not how I was brought up.
I am sure some of you will find a way to audit me and I welcome that as this was not intended to be some act of bravado, just a truthful recount of a sad situation with two people who should've acted better.
Harley
You engage in a conversation with Dorian, then when you dont like what he says you threat him with violence?
Nutcase.
Dorian is 100% right by the way.
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You engage in a conversation with Dorian, then when you dont like what he says you threat him with violence?
Nutcase.
Dorian is 100% right by the way.
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It may be helpful to remember that this happened, in NYC, less than 2 years after the 9/11 attacks when Americans were much less desensitized to the horror of terrorism here in NYC itself.
Had Dorian's tone been one to welcome an intellectual discourse, that would've been much different. My respect for anyone such as Dorian who achieves such a high level of success in any chosen endeavor doesn't create any jealousy. I happen to be an extremely tolerant person as evidenced by most of my friends having a different nationality, religion, and socio-economic status than myself as well as my interest in studying different cultures and languages.
The whole thing was not merely a matter of what Dorian said, but how he did it in such a loud and public manner while in a forum that did not solicit that type of response.
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I challenged Dorian to a fight one time at Denny's. The fucker was talking some shit about how rear delts should be trained on back day. You can ask anyone that knows me, I won't tolerate that bullshit.
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LOL
"I had to spear tackle Dorian in the middle of Temple gym for leaving a pair of dumbells laying around,
I'll fight man or beast when it comes to disrespecting gym rules"
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God damit rear delts should be trained on back day
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im sorry.................wh o is this guy?
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Craig Richardson's Training partner
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Craig Richardson's Training partner
how and where can i buy his autograph?
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Craig Richardson's Training partner
is this the guy!?!?!?
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LOL
"I had to spear tackle Dorian in the middle of Temple gym for leaving a pair of dumbells laying around,
I'll fight man or beast when it comes to disrespecting gym rules"
Exactly. ;D
Yeah Mike, this is Craig's training partner.
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KK had a good physique once but the word he needs to read is HAD.Why not just look at how you look now and then look at how you looked way back when your body was still responding to all those Drugs.Clown ::)
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I challenged Dorian to a fight one time at Denny's. The fucker was talking some shit about how rear delts should be trained on back day. You can ask anyone that knows me, I won't tolerate that bullshit.
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I also had a confrontation with Dorian when he was in a grocery store in Birmingham. The bastard had the nerve to tell me what foods to eat after a heavy weightlifting workout.
I snapped my fingers in his face because i was fuming, nobody tells me what to fucking eat, ever.
If you dont believe me you can ask the workers at the grocery store. Dorian was scared shitless.
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I snapped my fingers in his face because i was fuming
Man, not even I let myself get that out of control..
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lol....
Too Funny.
I love this board.
Sandra
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Harley isn't about to lay down and see his country trampled on...
"It's like a dog. You can kick a dog so long
and it will do two things.
It's either gonna roll over and die...
or it's gonna bite you and attack you.
And I'm the kind of person who's
the type of a dog who would bite back"
Mike Katz
Harley Breite
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In 1970, I was attending band camp in Birmingham, England and playing an outdoor trombone rehearsal when this Dorian Yates kid playing the flute started stealing my parts. I threw down my trombone in disgust and challenged the British sissy to go mano a mano right at that very moment. "Let's go outside!" I said. Dorian reminded me that we were already outside, so I said, "Well, then let's go INSIDE." His upper lip quivered and then he apologized. It made no difference to me. I clocked him in the eye anyway. You can ask our camp counselors Dwight Lipford or Niles Standish -- they both saw the whole thing, even though Dwight is legally blind in two eyes and Niles is serving life in prison for molestation.
After I knocked out the future Mr. Olympia, I anticipated that one day some guy would doubt this story, so I borrowed the camp camera and took this photo.
(http://bp2.blogger.com/_nznIIzowfSc/RrnBzSUiilI/AAAAAAAAARY/ZglhUs41680/s400/black+eye+day+2.jpg)
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In 1970, I was attending band camp in Birmingham, England and playing an outdoor trombone rehearsal when this Dorian Yates kid playing the flute started stealing my parts. I threw down my trombone in disgust and challenged the British sissy to go mano a mano right at that very moment. "Let's go outside!" I said. Dorian reminded me that we were already outside, so I said, "Well, then let's go INSIDE." His upper lip quivered and then he apologized. It made no difference to me. I clocked him in the eye anyway. You can ask our camp counselors Dwight Lipford or Niles Standish -- they both saw the whole thing, even though Dwight is legally blind in two eyes and Niles is serving life in prison for molestation.
After I knocked out the future Mr. Olympia, I anticipated that one day some guy would doubt this story, so I borrowed the camp camera and took this photo.
(http://bp2.blogger.com/_nznIIzowfSc/RrnBzSUiilI/AAAAAAAAARY/ZglhUs41680/s400/black+eye+day+2.jpg)
I thought you quit?
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Where's BlockHead?
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I thought you quit?
check the time stamp you moron ::)
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King looks like he has a gallon of oil in each shoulder.
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Seems like he was dying to tell us all this story. If I was Dorian I would have simply asked him to leave the room and wait outside until we were done eating.
The juice just doesnt work on you the way it works on most pro bodybuilders. Nice try to win these guys respect.
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who cares
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kamali has excellent traps... that's about it...
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i dont think its disrespecting american soldiers at all, the current war is wrong just the way vietnam was wrong, what he was saying is just what almost every single person outside of the states thinks..
for the matter, hussein hated the fanatics just as much as we did, he didnt want anyone yeidling any kind of power in his country, he was as much a muslim as yates was...
so to wrap things up, your a moron, and yates would crush you!
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This is what happens to little kids when their dads keep them from their mommies because they are fucking mental and when the kid wants to see the dad, they get "what is coming to them"....
I hear if you spill paint in Coach's garage, you get burnt with a cigar....What a guy!!!!!!
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Well, you want the truth, here it is.
I believe the year was 2003 because we went into NYC to see Dexter the day before Craig was to compete in the Night of Champions. It was his first time doing the show and Dex was going to check out his condition. We met Dex, Dennis James and Stan McCrary at Dex's room where Dex checked out Craig and warned us that Victor Martinez was looking very dangerous. I later ate a big plate of crow as I pronounced that Victor would only be allowed to carry Craig's trophy. For those who don't know me, I like to talk more trash than Gary Payton but only with people who know I am joking and know that I too have thick skin.
After leaving the room, a whole bunch of pros went to a diner down the block. We all sat together and Dorian happened to be across from me to my left. I engaged him in conversation as I had just finished reading Winston Churchill's "The Gathering Storm." I told Dorian how much I enjoyed London and how much I admired Churchill.
To my huge surprise, Dorian started denigrating Churchill and Prime Minister Tony Blair. He then went on a tirade attacking President Bush and then America itself. He said that America was a coward and a bully for invading Iraq. He said that President Bush and the American society were stupid.
Craig immediately got nervous as he knew I wasn't going to sit back and not respond. I asked Dorian if he had first, ever read any history, let alone Churchill's own words. I reminded him that the same group of people he forever imprinted on his forearm were the ones who mercilessly bombed women and children living in London during WWll.
I then moved on and asked him if when he was paid by Weider the check was in dollars or pounds. I brought up that virtually everyone who helped him was an American and most of his guest posings were due to American promotors or Americans with influence on overseas promoters. I reminded him that although he really isn't a well-known person, the only people who kiss his ass are predominantly Americans. I then also noted that all his success occured in America itself.
At this time, Dex was laughing aloud and waiving his arms. Dennis James was warning me not to start an argument with a guy so big. Craig was pleading with me to stop and not let it escalate any further.
Well, I let it. I then asked Dorain if he thought the guy speaking to him now was an American coward. Before he could answer, I said, "Why don't we go outside right now in front of all your friends and see if all Americans are cowards. C'mon, I'm a small guy, show all your friends how tough you are and crush me right outside."
At this point, Dex tried to calm the situation. Craig knew there was nothing he could do. I apologized to Craig because I knew that Dorian still had some political clout and I didn't want Craig to suffer any damage. I stood up, looked at Dorian, said to him, "well?" and then got up and walked out.
It should be noted that I don't condone violence nor fighting without a legitimate reason. My actions were immature. I let my emotions get the better of me. That is not how I was brought up.
I am sure some of you will find a way to audit me and I welcome that as this was not intended to be some act of bravado, just a truthful recount of a sad situation with two people who should've acted better.
Harley
Sounds like you proved Dorians point perfectly, stupid Yank!
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Harley isn't about to lay down and see his country trampled on...
Typical Melodramatic Yankee BS, Dorian wasn't trampling on anybodys country, just expressing an opinion that the majority of the world thinks, when are you Yanks going to learn, not too many people like you.
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Dorian learned he needs to shut the fuck up when on American soil, or get his ass beaten down.
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Typical Melodramatic Yankee BS, Dorian wasn't trampling on anybodys country, just expressing an opinion that the majority of the world thinks, when are you Yanks going to learn, not too many people like you.
Thing is, most Americans don't care if the world likes them.
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And Btw,
kamali is not even in Craig's league.
Craig has something that Kamali will never have...
Aesthetics
completely agree with your sentiments! Kamali will not crack the top 5 ever again. He gets way too heavy offseason and needs to work more on refinement. Melvin and Craig look so much better than King in those pictures. King just lacks shape and aethetics. He needs to stop playing the size at all costs game.
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I challenged Dorian to a fight one time at Denny's. The fucker was talking some shit about how rear delts should be trained on back day. You can ask anyone that knows me, I won't tolerate that bullshit.
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LMFAO ;D
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Sounds like you proved Dorians point perfectly, stupid Yank!
LOL ;D are you saying harley is quite the bully and doesn't have the thick skin he claims and perhaps prone to meltdown?
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how low can one sink
i am 'harley breite' and i am craig nobody's training 'partner'
and no i am not an infantile attention whore
i have stories for you
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king kamali's arms?
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king kamali's arms?
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they're bigger than yours.
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funny thing is.... back at the beggining of his pro career.. his arms were ok...
now they seem to have really shrunk ..what gives ???
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how low can one sink
i am 'harley breite' and i am craig nobody's training 'partner'
and no i am not an infantile attention whore
i have stories for you
Dear Willl,
1) This is a bodybuilding site where most are interested in what really goes on in the sport or at least wish to learn more about dieting and training. Of course, I introduce myself as "Craig Richardson's Training Partner." In this genre, I am nothing more than that. That should lend some credibility to whatever I type just for the fact that I have access to some things in the sport that perhaps others don't and would like to know about.
2) I, unlike some others, use my real name and am accessible at the shows. I knew full well just how adroit you guys are at internet research and posting pictures, yet I still didn't hide behind a pseudonym and come in just to insult people or claim I was something special. I don't insult people while hiding behind a keyboard with a fictitious name. I came to this site because I thought I could learn and offer some insider perspective that the fans never get to know about from all the politically driven magazines.
3) "Craig Nobody" is actually a pro bb with a physique most of us wouldn't mind owning. Any pics of your pro card or your physique? It's easy to criticize any physique, including Ronnie's, Dorian's etc., but at the end of the day, we all wish we could attain the supreme excellence that they have. Why else would we be here?
4) I haven't offered any stories unless solicited. Additionally, I provided avenues for corroboration. So far, no one has been able to prove me a liar. It's just a site for bb fans and that's what I thought people wanted to discuss. Training with a pro bb for 11 years has given me an incredible insight and much knowledge. I just thought that one has a responsibility to share what he knows, no matter what his field of knowledge may be. I also thought there would be a bit more interest.
Harley
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Can someone tell me what this word means?
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Dear Willl,
1) This is a bodybuilding site where most are interested in what really goes on in the sport or at least wish to learn more about dieting and training. Of course, I introduce myself as "Craig Richardson's Training Partner." In this genre, I am nothing more than that. That should lend some credibility to whatever I type just for the fact that I have access to some things in the sport that perhaps others don't and would like to know about.
2) I, unlike some others, use my real name and am accessible at the shows. I knew full well just how adroit you guys are at internet research and posting pictures, yet I still didn't hide behind a pseudonym and come in just to insult people or claim I was something special. I don't insult people while hiding behind a keyboard with a fictitious name. I came to this site because I thought I could learn and offer some insider perspective that the fans never get to know about from all the politically driven magazines.
3) "Craig Nobody" is actually a pro bb with a physique most of us wouldn't mind owning. Any pics of your pro card or your physique? It's easy to criticize any physique, including Ronnie's, Dorian's etc., but at the end of the day, we all wish we could attain the supreme excellence that they have. Why else would we be here?
4) I haven't offered any stories unless solicited. Additionally, I provided avenues for corroboration. So far, no one has been able to prove me a liar. It's just a site for bb fans and that's what I thought people wanted to discuss. Training with a pro bb for 11 years has given me an incredible insight and much knowledge. I just thought that one has a responsibility to share what he knows, no matter what his field of knowledge may be. I also thought there would be a bit more interest.
Harley
good job, Harley
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I almost got into a fight with Dorian Yates in a supermarket a couple of years ago.
I was walking down an aisle not paying attention when I accidentaly bumped into him and made him drop his shopping basket. He said "Sorry mate, excuse me." He was so polite that he said fucking excuse me when it was me who bumped into him. Can you believe that! >:(
I honestly couldn't believe my ears, how dare he be so polite! So I immediately offerd to settle this outside, but he declined as he has his son with him. What a coward! It didn't scare me that there was 2 of them, said I'd fight both of them, I didn't give a shit that his kid was only 7.
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good job, Harley
Thanks!!!
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Harley,what's the deal with Craig and Milos you were going to tell about?
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Harley is an honest guy (he gave a basic pro cycle) and he contributes here quite well
But Harley we need more stories,they give the sport a bit of personality
Thanks man :)
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Dear Willl,
1) This is a bodybuilding site where most are interested in what really goes on in the sport or at least wish to learn more about dieting and training. Of course, I introduce myself as "Craig Richardson's Training Partner." In this genre, I am nothing more than that. That should lend some credibility to whatever I type just for the fact that I have access to some things in the sport that perhaps others don't and would like to know about.
2) I, unlike some others, use my real name and am accessible at the shows. I knew full well just how adroit you guys are at internet research and posting pictures, yet I still didn't hide behind a pseudonym and come in just to insult people or claim I was something special. I don't insult people while hiding behind a keyboard with a fictitious name. I came to this site because I thought I could learn and offer some insider perspective that the fans never get to know about from all the politically driven magazines.
3) "Craig Nobody" is actually a pro bb with a physique most of us wouldn't mind owning. Any pics of your pro card or your physique? It's easy to criticize any physique, including Ronnie's, Dorian's etc., but at the end of the day, we all wish we could attain the supreme excellence that they have. Why else would we be here?
4) I haven't offered any stories unless solicited. Additionally, I provided avenues for corroboration. So far, no one has been able to prove me a liar. It's just a site for bb fans and that's what I thought people wanted to discuss. Training with a pro bb for 11 years has given me an incredible insight and much knowledge. I just thought that one has a responsibility to share what he knows, no matter what his field of knowledge may be. I also thought there would be a bit more interest.
Harley
As a training partner is one of your responsibilities to cuddle Craig when its cold?
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As a training partner is one of your responsibilities to cuddle Craig when its cold?
Is that the service you provide for your workout partners? :-X
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Dear Willl,
1) This is a bodybuilding site where most are interested in what really goes on in the sport or at least wish to learn more about dieting and training. Of course, I introduce myself as "Craig Richardson's Training Partner." In this genre, I am nothing more than that. That should lend some credibility to whatever I type just for the fact that I have access to some things in the sport that perhaps others don't and would like to know about.
2) I, unlike some others, use my real name and am accessible at the shows. I knew full well just how adroit you guys are at internet research and posting pictures, yet I still didn't hide behind a pseudonym and come in just to insult people or claim I was something special. I don't insult people while hiding behind a keyboard with a fictitious name. I came to this site because I thought I could learn and offer some insider perspective that the fans never get to know about from all the politically driven magazines.
3) "Craig Nobody" is actually a pro bb with a physique most of us wouldn't mind owning. Any pics of your pro card or your physique? It's easy to criticize any physique, including Ronnie's, Dorian's etc., but at the end of the day, we all wish we could attain the supreme excellence that they have. Why else would we be here?
Amen. Great post brother.
4) I haven't offered any stories unless solicited. Additionally, I provided avenues for corroboration. So far, no one has been able to prove me a liar. It's just a site for bb fans and that's what I thought people wanted to discuss. Training with a pro bb for 11 years has given me an incredible insight and much knowledge. I just thought that one has a responsibility to share what he knows, no matter what his field of knowledge may be. I also thought there would be a bit more interest.
Harley
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Harley,what's the deal with Craig and Milos you were going to tell about?
Seeing as someone asked, I think it might be easier to just start a thread re Milos and Craig. I will pull out all my papers re that matter as I believe I pissed of Milos by questioning his response so I want to get all my fact lined up. I will post it later this afternoon.
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Seeing as someone asked, I think it might be easier to just start a thread re Milos and Craig. I will pull out all my papers re that matter as I believe I pissed of Milos by questioning his response so I want to get all my fact lined up. I will post it later this afternoon.
Bring it on brother I'm looking forward to reading!
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Sorry, but Kamali is delusional with all of the critiques of his placings... He sucks.. Sorry.
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Bring it on brother I'm looking forward to reading!
I did it in a new thread and responded to a question in the "Positive" board as well.
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It isn't. I didn't want anyone to think that Craig dislikes King or anything of that sort.
Another Craig / Kamali feud?
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Dear Willl,
1) This is a bodybuilding site where most are interested in what really goes on in the sport or at least wish to learn more about dieting and training. Of course, I introduce myself as "Craig Richardson's Training Partner." In this genre, I am nothing more than that. That should lend some credibility to whatever I type just for the fact that I have access to some things in the sport that perhaps others don't and would like to know about.
2) I, unlike some others, use my real name and am accessible at the shows. I knew full well just how adroit you guys are at internet research and posting pictures, yet I still didn't hide behind a pseudonym and come in just to insult people or claim I was something special. I don't insult people while hiding behind a keyboard with a fictitious name. I came to this site because I thought I could learn and offer some insider perspective that the fans never get to know about from all the politically driven magazines.
3) "Craig Nobody" is actually a pro bb with a physique most of us wouldn't mind owning. Any pics of your pro card or your physique? It's easy to criticize any physique, including Ronnie's, Dorian's etc., but at the end of the day, we all wish we could attain the supreme excellence that they have. Why else would we be here?
4) I haven't offered any stories unless solicited. Additionally, I provided avenues for corroboration. So far, no one has been able to prove me a liar. It's just a site for bb fans and that's what I thought people wanted to discuss. Training with a pro bb for 11 years has given me an incredible insight and much knowledge. I just thought that one has a responsibility to share what he knows, no matter what his field of knowledge may be. I also thought there would be a bit more interest.
Harley
Sorry to burst your bubble dude, but the ifbb pro card is a white standard business card... for $300 a year (annual dues) you'd think they'd at least send you a laminate or something..
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Dear Willl,
1) This is a bodybuilding site where most are interested in what really goes on in the sport or at least wish to learn more about dieting and training. Of course, I introduce myself as "Craig Richardson's Training Partner." In this genre, I am nothing more than that. That should lend some credibility to whatever I type just for the fact that I have access to some things in the sport that perhaps others don't and would like to know about.
2) I, unlike some others, use my real name and am accessible at the shows. I knew full well just how adroit you guys are at internet research and posting pictures, yet I still didn't hide behind a pseudonym and come in just to insult people or claim I was something special. I don't insult people while hiding behind a keyboard with a fictitious name. I came to this site because I thought I could learn and offer some insider perspective that the fans never get to know about from all the politically driven magazines.
3) "Craig Nobody" is actually a pro bb with a physique most of us wouldn't mind owning. Any pics of your pro card or your physique? It's easy to criticize any physique, including Ronnie's, Dorian's etc., but at the end of the day, we all wish we could attain the supreme excellence that they have. Why else would we be here?
4) I haven't offered any stories unless solicited. Additionally, I provided avenues for corroboration. So far, no one has been able to prove me a liar. It's just a site for bb fans and that's what I thought people wanted to discuss. Training with a pro bb for 11 years has given me an incredible insight and much knowledge. I just thought that one has a responsibility to share what he knows, no matter what his field of knowledge may be. I also thought there would be a bit more interest.
Harley
just see this now
1) being his training 'partner' does not lend u any credibility whatsoever, you added truth to that with the 750mg cycle
2) i dont care if ur real name is harley breit or harley davidson. i didt insult, i expressed truthfull words
3) craig nobody is a good complete bber but he is a nobody in bbland and i dont want to own his physique nor anoyone elses, i dont share those kind of fantasies
4) ''I provided avenues for corroboration'' ..right..
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Excellent post, Harley and great points! Props and respect. Just ignore the children on here.
since when is being a porn 'actor' considered worth anything?
dont fool yourself bro, you aint what the getbig 'children' make you believe you are
you wanna know what you are then go and watch one of your videos
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I'm sure the sequence of events is in fact true, but it's your perspective on the whole thing that is questionable and delusional.
You brought it up off-topic and described it as "case in point when I almost got into a physical fight with Dorian Yates," which at first sounds like Dorian had some interest in fighting you, or that there was at least a somewhat legitimate reason for you guys to fight.
From your story though, I guarantee Dorian just thought you were an immature nut for melting down over his political opinion and threatening to fight over it like a high school kid, and chose to ignore it as any mature, professional man would.
In other words, no you did not "almost get into a physical fight with Dorian Yates."
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I'm sure the sequence of events is in fact true, but it's your perspective on the whole thing that is questionable and delusional.
You brought it up off-topic and described it as "case in point when I almost got into a physical fight with Dorian Yates," which at first sounds like Dorian had some interest in fighting you, or that there was at least a somewhat legitimate reason for you guys to fight.
From your story though, I guarantee Dorian just thought you were an immature nut for melting down over his political opinion and threatening to fight over it like a high school kid, and chose to ignore it as any mature, professional man would.
In other words, no you did not "almost get into a physical fight with Dorian Yates."
It doesn't take two interested parties for a fight to occur, just one, you Nasser semen-slurping jackass.
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It doesn't take two interested parties for a fight to occur, just one, you Nasser semen-slurping jackass.
hahaha, so anyone can meltdown and spaz in front of another man who couldn't care less, and then later claim they "almost got into a fight" with such and such person? Damn, you're retarded.
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hahaha, so anyone can meltdown and spaz in front of another man who couldn't care less, and then later claim they "almost got into a fight" with such and such person? Damn, you're retarded.
Yes, if I threated to smack you in the mouth because I see you as a little bitch, and you attempt to "laugh it off" as though you didn't care, then in the world that I live in that would be fairly close to a fight. ::)
Being called retarded by a cum-guzzling traveling schmoe such as yourself does not impact me in the slightest. Listerine has been rated by many as the best mouth wash, so hopefully you are using it daily to counteract the taste of Nasser's jizz in your mouth. :-\
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Yes, if I threated to smack you in the mouth because I see you as a little bitch, and you attempt to "laugh it off" as though you didn't care, then in the world that I live in that would be fairly close to a fight. ::)
Being called retarded by a cum-guzzling traveling schmoe such as yourself does not impact me in the slightest. Listerine has been rated by many as the best mouth wash, so hopefully you are using it daily to counteract the taste of Nasser's jizz in your mouth. :-\
*yawn* - Internet tough guy talk coupled with relying on gay fantasy to try to make an insult.
Any "adult" who gets worked up over nothing and threatens to fist-fight another adult (who can't care less) in itself is the loser, whether it's Harley or you.
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*yawn*
Are you sleepy? Don't you need Nasser to tuck you in? :-\
Internet tough guy talk coupled with relying on gay fantasy to try to make an insult.
Fuck you, I'm a tough guy in real life. ;D You make the "gay fantasies" a reality whenever you tell us of the latest goings on in the ongoing story of your romantic life with Nasser. Did you spend an hour on the phone with him again today going over all of the details of his day, including when he clipped his toenails and the intimate details of how much Nasser wishes you were there to blow dry his balls fresh out of the shower? :-X
Any "adult" who gets worked up over nothing and threatens to fist-fight another adult (who can't care less) in itself is the loser, whether it's Harley or you.
It isn't your place to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't get worked up over. If Harley wanted to give Dorian a beat down because he felt he disrespected his country, that is his business. Where you come from people blow themselves up for less, so SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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At this point, Dex tried to calm the situation. Craig knew there was nothing he could do. I apologized to Craig because I knew that Dorian still had some political clout and I didn't want Craig to suffer any damage. I stood up, looked at Dorian, said to him, "well?" and then got up and walked out.
It should be noted that I don't condone violence nor fighting without a legitimate reason. My actions were immature. I let my emotions get the better of me. That is not how I was brought up.
I am sure some of you will find a way to audit me and I welcome that as this was not intended to be some act of bravado, just a truthful recount of a sad situation with two people who should've acted better.
Harley
what happened afterwards?
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what happened afterwards?
HaHa nice bump!
Harley is the man. He will eventually become a getbig legend.
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Well, you want the truth, here it is.
I believe the year was 2003 because we went into NYC to see Dexter the day before Craig was to compete in the Night of Champions. It was his first time doing the show and Dex was going to check out his condition. We met Dex, Dennis James and Stan McCrary at Dex's room where Dex checked out Craig and warned us that Victor Martinez was looking very dangerous. I later ate a big plate of crow as I pronounced that Victor would only be allowed to carry Craig's trophy. For those who don't know me, I like to talk more trash than Gary Payton but only with people who know I am joking and know that I too have thick skin.
After leaving the room, a whole bunch of pros went to a diner down the block. We all sat together and Dorian happened to be across from me to my left. I engaged him in conversation as I had just finished reading Winston Churchill's "The Gathering Storm." I told Dorian how much I enjoyed London and how much I admired Churchill.
To my huge surprise, Dorian started denigrating Churchill and Prime Minister Tony Blair. He then went on a tirade attacking President Bush and then America itself. He said that America was a coward and a bully for invading Iraq. He said that President Bush and the American society were stupid.
Craig immediately got nervous as he knew I wasn't going to sit back and not respond. I asked Dorian if he had first, ever read any history, let alone Churchill's own words. I reminded him that the same group of people he forever imprinted on his forearm were the ones who mercilessly bombed women and children living in London during WWll.
I then moved on and asked him if when he was paid by Weider the check was in dollars or pounds. I brought up that virtually everyone who helped him was an American and most of his guest posings were due to American promotors or Americans with influence on overseas promoters. I reminded him that although he really isn't a well-known person, the only people who kiss his ass are predominantly Americans. I then also noted that all his success occured in America itself.
At this time, Dex was laughing aloud and waiving his arms. Dennis James was warning me not to start an argument with a guy so big. Craig was pleading with me to stop and not let it escalate any further.
Well, I let it. I then asked Dorain if he thought the guy speaking to him now was an American coward. Before he could answer, I said, "Why don't we go outside right now in front of all your friends and see if all Americans are cowards. C'mon, I'm a small guy, show all your friends how tough you are and crush me right outside."
At this point, Dex tried to calm the situation. Craig knew there was nothing he could do. I apologized to Craig because I knew that Dorian still had some political clout and I didn't want Craig to suffer any damage. I stood up, looked at Dorian, said to him, "well?" and then got up and walked out.
It should be noted that I don't condone violence nor fighting without a legitimate reason. My actions were immature. I let my emotions get the better of me. That is not how I was brought up.
I am sure some of you will find a way to audit me and I welcome that as this was not intended to be some act of bravado, just a truthful recount of a sad situation with two people who should've acted better.
Harley
this would have been a getbig legend story had Dorian accepted Harleys challenge
for the uninformed Harley is a BJJ world champ and BJJ black belt and would have choked out Dorian in under a minute
this would really have been funny but I am sure DOrian would have backed down
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He's going to use Brazilian and Japanese martial arts trickery to prove to a British Nazi that Americans aren't cowards?
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correctamundo
Harley is a global citizen and man of the world
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this would have been a getbig legend story had Dorian accepted Harleys challenge
for the uninformed Harley is a BJJ world champ and BJJ black belt and would have choked out Dorian in under a minute
this would really have been funny but I am sure DOrian would have backed down
Probably but I think it's been established that Dorian can take a beating from acomplished MMA practitioners.
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yes that dutch kickboxer KO'd dorian with 1 punch
I believe Harley also is an accomplished kick boxer
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Dear Old School Lifter,
I appreciate the kind words and yes, I did earn a Black Belt in Kickboxing after my own devised test was approved by my Shihan.
I fought 4 different Black Belts rounds 1-9 and then my Shihan (Juan Perez) rounds 10-15.
Each round was 3 minutes with 1 minute in between. The date was August 18, 2001.
I have it all on DVD as I know there is nothing on GetBig that goes without audit. I also have the hospital band they gave me
upon admission after my test.
Thanks for the vote of support.
Harley
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Dear Old School Lifter,
I appreciate the kind words and yes, I did earn a Black Belt in Kickboxing after my own devised test was approved by my Shihan.
I fought 4 different Black Belts rounds 1-9 and then my Shihan (Juan Perez) rounds 10-15.
Each round was 3 minutes with 1 minute in between. The date was August 18, 2001.
I have it all on DVD as I know there is nothing on GetBig that goes without audit. I also have the hospital band they gave me
upon admission after my test.
Thanks for the vote of support.
Harley
I was scrolling through some of your old posts. Normally I hate everyone, but you are a pretty cool guy. Your posts are great
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:)I love this old Storys too. Never mind if you are a training Partner or an IFBB Pro yourself. Great you shared
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Thanks. I came back to GetBig because someone posted an article on one of my clients and put up a photo.
This led to someone asking which GetBigger is that attorney with the stupid hair.
Being that I never stopped reading GetBig, I thought I would note, publicly the coincidence that the lawyer is actually
a GetBigger, at least in spirit and it was me. That continued the thread entitled "NJ Man Hits Friend with 25 pound dumbbell" or something like that.
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Thanks. I came back to GetBig because someone posted an article on one of my clients and put up a photo.
This led to someone asking which GetBigger is that attorney with the stupid hair.
Being that I never stopped reading GetBig, I thought I would note, publicly the coincidence that the lawyer is actually
a GetBigger, at least in spirit and it was me. That continued the thread entitled "NJ Man Hits Friend with 25 pound dumbbell" or something like that.
Haha
Turns out to be a true getbigger... typical in many regards, but not retired yet.
Anyway, what happened the next time you met up with Dorian?
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Guys,
That was impressive how you found the quote and then posted pics of Kamali and Craig next to each other.
Perhaps King just made an unintentional mistake. We all do that.
Are you saying it was in actuality Melvin Anthony that told him the things he said?
I know we all mistake Morgan L. Fishburne for Denzel Jay Freeman at times.
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Hey Guys,
I never thought the Dorian story would be met with such hostility but I posted it because it was true and there
were plenty of witnesses other than Craig Richardson (Dexter, Stan "Curly Top", etc.).
It was many years ago and I am sure that my behavior was a bit sophomoric. A civilized society doesn't not allow its
members to get so enraged over differences of opinions that they resort to physical violence.
I am glad that we are all able to move on to other, more interesting topics related to bodybuilding, training, diet, cardio,
supplements, etc.
As far as King Kamali, there was never any dispute between he and Craig. In fact, every time I've met him, he was just
great and willing to offer information that most pros keep to themselves. Say what you like about him, he does love the sport.
I usually just respond on a thread that was made for me by IronGrip so as to keep me less confused.
If you guys ever have any questions that I might be able to answer, just write on the appreciation thread and I promise to
give you an honest, although perhaps unpopular, answer.
Harley
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King seemed to be having a little trouble "controlling his midsection" here.