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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Fatpanda on November 12, 2008, 05:20:41 AM
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This is suposed to be arnies favorite cycle:
Weeks Primobolan Enanthate (Injectable) Dianabol (Dbol)
(oral) Deca Durabolin
(Injectable)
Week 1 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 2 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 3 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 4 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 5 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 6 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 7 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 8 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 9 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 10 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 11 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 12 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 13 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 14 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 15 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 16 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 17 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 18 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 19 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 20 600mg / week 60mg / day
BRIDGE
Week 21 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 22 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 23 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 24 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 25 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 26 30mg / day 200mg / week
START CYCLE (1-20) AGAIN
thoughts?
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
arnie took between 200 and 400 mg dbol a day
who comes up w/ this shit ... ??
60 mg bdol ? yes .. for breakfast...repeat 4-6 times daily
bs cycle .... my 2 cents
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anyone takin 400mg of oral dbol aday would be shitting out their liver in a month
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I thought his cycle was a Harley... seriously though, I doubt this one, seen it before.
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anyone takin 400mg of oral dbol aday would be shitting out their liver in a month
not really ... ussually dbol is taken 4-5 weeks at a time with 4-5 weeks off .. I have heard as high as 500 mg a day
BY THE WAY (and this is for everyone on the forum )
STOP TALKING ABOUT DAMAGING THE LIVER BECAUSE YOU ALL GO ON WEEKEND ALCOHOL BINGES AND SOMEOF YOU ARE ALCOHOLICS AND NEVER SHIT THEIR LIVER
ALCOHOL AND PAINKILLERS ARE FAR FAR MORE TOXIC THAN POOR DIANABOL ..
FUCKING HYPOCRITES.
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not really ... ussually dbol is taken 4-5 weeks at a time with 4-5 weeks off .. I have heard as high as 500 mg a day
BY THE WAY (and this is for everyone on the forum )
STOP TALKING ABOUT DAMAGING THE LIVER BECAUSE YOU ALL GO ON WEEKEND ALCOHOL BINGES AND SOMEOF YOU ARE ALCOHOLICS AND NEVER SHIT THEIR LIVER
ALCOHOL AND PAINKILLERS ARE FAR FAR MORE TOXIC THAN POOR DIANABOL ..
FUCKING HYPOCRITES.
d-bol meltdown... :o
Roid rage!!
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d-bol meltdown... :o
Roid rage!!
::)
epic not being able to contribute with anything regarding the subject
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epic not being able to contribute with anything regarding the subject
What is there to contribute?
Every week there is a thread of a "supposed" cycle that some pro used.
I'm waiting for another thread showing the cycle Munzer used... ::)
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What is there to contribute?
Every week there is a thread of a "supposed" cycle that some pro used.
I'm waiting for another thread showing the cycle Munzer used... ::)
no dude : I was referring to d-bol dosages ..
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no dude : I was referring to d-bol dosages ..
Sorry.
I don't know too much about this stuff.........yet. ;)
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Sorry.
I don't know too much about this stuff.........yet. ;)
asshole
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asshole
Watch your fuckin mouth, convict!!
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Sorry.
I don't know too much about this stuff.........yet. ;)
give it a try .. dbol is one of the safest and most effective steroids ever ..
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give it a try .. dbol is one of the safest and most effective steroids ever ..
couple more years...
21-22 im thinking.
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couple more years...
21-22 im thinking.
shocking... a bodybuilder willing to pay their dues before hoping on.. nice
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shocking... a bodybuilder willing to pay their dues before hoping on.. nice
Gotta get a good natural base...
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Gotta get a good natural base...
not necesarily a base .. but make sure you reach your natural plateau ... once you hit it ... go on a simple cycle : let's say .. 500 mg test and 30 mg d-bol ... do it...then second cycle 500 test, 50 mg d-bol and 400 deca .. then 750 test , 400 deca and 50 dbol .... and so on .. 10-12 week cycles ..
it's not rocket science
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not necesarily a base .. but make sure you reach your natural plateau ... once you hit it ... go on a simple cycle : let's say .. 500 mg test and 30 mg d-bol ... do it...then second cycle 500 test, 50 mg d-bol and 400 deca .. then 750 test , 400 deca and 50 dbol .... and so on .. 10-12 week cycles ..
it's not rocket science
Cool. Yeah it seems simple enough.
Oh well, a few more years of natty then i'll cross over to the dark side... ;D
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not necesarily a base .. but make sure you reach your natural plateau ... once you hit it ... go on a simple cycle : let's say .. 500 mg test and 30 mg d-bol ... do it...then second cycle 500 test, 50 mg d-bol and 400 deca .. then 750 test , 400 deca and 50 dbol .... and so on .. 10-12 week cycles ..
it's not rocket science
and yet you are still a 160lb bottom twink ::)
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and yet you are still a 160lb bottom twink ::)
AGAIN YOU MAKE SHIT UP IN DESPAIR
I was as low as 165 when I was playing tennis
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AGAIN YOU MAKE SHIT UP IN DESPAIR
I was as low as 165 when I was playing tennis
thats the biggest you have ever looked :o
is that your boyfriend ?
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thats the biggest you have ever looked :o
is that your boyfriend ?
is this the best you can do ? honestly ... please erase it and come up with something more creative ... Jesus ::)
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
arnie took between 200 and 400 mg dbol a day
who comes up w/ this shit ... ??
60 mg bdol ? yes .. for breakfast...repeat 4-6 times daily
bs cycle .... my 2 cents
I bet two cents go a long way in Romania.
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I bet two cents go a long way in Romania.
;D ;D
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I once was emailed Sergio's cycle (70's) from a guy that knew him (not the guy who used to post on here). He used mainly deca and Dbol with Winny thrown in at times. Now, I believe the drugs, but not the dosages. Quadruple it and I believe it. If you think that those guys back in the 70's were not popping ridiculous amounts of Dbol and deca then you are very naive. The only guy who had the balls to put his real Dbol dosage in print was Peter Grymkowski. I gotta laugh when people say that all these guys took was a couple of Dbol.
Think about it, back in the day NO ONE had any reason to believe that Dbol was dangerous (not that it is) so if you could take 5 a day and get big then why not try 10 or even 20? Well, they did and they got a lot bigger, wasn't to hard to figure that out. Actually I understand why no one wants to admit to those amount today because of all the media hype. Imagine if Arnie came out and said yeah I took the Hell out of Dbol, deca and primo so I could win the Olympia. I wanted to win at all costs (not hard to believe by how he talked)) and then use my uniqueness to move on to bigger and better stuff. Wake up guys, it's just reality.
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is this the best you can do ? honestly ... please erase it and come up with something more creative ... Jesus ::)
why don't you make yourself useful and run down to the drugstore and get me some naposim? i'll pm you my mailing address.
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This is suposed to be arnies favorite cycle:
Weeks Primobolan Enanthate (Injectable) Dianabol (Dbol)
(oral) Deca Durabolin
(Injectable)
Week 1 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 2 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 3 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 4 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 5 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 6 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 7 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 8 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 9 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 10 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 11 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 12 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 13 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 14 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 15 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 16 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 17 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 18 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 19 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 20 600mg / week 60mg / day
BRIDGE
Week 21 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 22 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 23 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 24 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 25 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 26 30mg / day 200mg / week
START CYCLE (1-20) AGAIN
thoughts?
THATS WHY ARNOLD IS NUMBER 1!
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I once was emailed Sergio's cycle (70's) from a guy that knew him (not the guy who used to post on here). He used mainly deca and Dbol with Winny thrown in at times. Now, I believe the drugs, but not the dosages. Quadruple it and I believe it. If you think that those guys back in the 70's were not popping ridiculous amounts of Dbol and deca then you are very naive. The only guy who had the balls to put his real Dbol dosage in print was Peter Grymkowski. I gotta laugh when people say that all these guys took was a couple of Dbol.
Think about it, back in the day NO ONE had any reason to believe that Dbol was dangerous (not that it is) so if you could take 5 a day and get big then why not try 10 or even 20? Well, they did and they got a lot bigger, wasn't to hard to figure that out. Actually I understand why no one wants to admit to those amount today because of all the media hype. Imagine if Arnie came out and said yeah I took the Hell out of Dbol, deca and primo so I could win the Olympia. I wanted to win at all costs (not hard to believe by how he talked)) and then use my uniqueness to move on to bigger and better stuff. Wake up guys, it's just reality.
Exactly. Liver Hepatoxicity is highly over hyped amongst people, it's a mantra parroted by the uninformed.
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Exactly. Liver Hepatoxicity is highly over hyped amongst people, it's a mantra parroted by the uninformed.
EXACTLY! Funny how even the so called no it alls in the sport will go on and on about how toxic stuff is. Drink a few beers every night and pop a couple of Tylenol and see how long it takes till your liver shuts down, not long trust me. But this is OK and not a big deal since a lot of people do this. ::)
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While liver concerns may be overblown, they should still be a consideration and something to keep an eye on. Also, something like dbol has a broader impact on the body than alcohol or ibuprofen, like hpta shutdown for example.
Agree overall tho that steroids are excessively vilified.
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While liver concerns may be overblown, they should still be a consideration and something to keep an eye on. Also, something like dbol has a broader impact on the body than alcohol or ibuprofen, like hpta shutdown for example.
Agree overall tho that steroids are excessively vilified.
I wouldn't necessarily call that a broader impact as they both have totally different effects on the body. As far as shut down no bigger anyway as I know plenty of guys who have taken huge dose cycles for years and have multiple children.
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I wouldn't necessarily call that a broader impact as they both have totally different effects on the body. As far as shut down no bigger anyway as I know plenty of guys who have taken huge dose cycles for years and have multiple children.
I know man. I'm just being the annoying "safety first" dickhead. There are lots of kids reading the board that we never hear from, so sometimes I feel compelled to play Devil's Advocate when guys start making points about how harmless the drugs are. A little fear/ healthy respect is a good thing.
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I wouldn't necessarily call that a broader impact as they both have totally different effects on the body. As far as shut down no bigger anyway as I know plenty of guys who have taken huge dose cycles for years and have multiple children.
So whats ur view on PCT disgusted?
Because recently ive seen palumbo just recommened his testolyze OTC supp and clomid for pct. What do u think of this?? Is he just pushing his product, or is this all u need.
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So whats ur view on PCT disgusted?
Because recently ive seen palumbo just recommened his testolyze OTC supp and clomid for pct. What do u think of this?? Is he just pushing his product, or is this all u need.
So me guys don't need it. If you can still get a boner then your a OK. ;D
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I once was emailed Sergio's cycle (70's) from a guy that knew him (not the guy who used to post on here). He used mainly deca and Dbol with Winny thrown in at times. Now, I believe the drugs, but not the dosages. Quadruple it and I believe it. If you think that those guys back in the 70's were not popping ridiculous amounts of Dbol and deca then you are very naive. The only guy who had the balls to put his real Dbol dosage in print was Peter Grymkowski. I gotta laugh when people say that all these guys took was a couple of Dbol.
Think about it, back in the day NO ONE had any reason to believe that Dbol was dangerous (not that it is) so if you could take 5 a day and get big then why not try 10 or even 20? Well, they did and they got a lot bigger, wasn't to hard to figure that out. Actually I understand why no one wants to admit to those amount today because of all the media hype. Imagine if Arnie came out and said yeah I took the Hell out of Dbol, deca and primo so I could win the Olympia. I wanted to win at all costs (not hard to believe by how he talked)) and then use my uniqueness to move on to bigger and better stuff. Wake up guys, it's just reality.
says the guy who's afraid of flying... but QFT
;D
Jim, do you have a sample cycle of the typical 90's "Pro" bodybuilder?
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So me guys don't need it. If you can still get a boner then your a OK. ;D
I think this is why ur the best thing going in the bodybuilding biz jimmy....
K.I.S.S.!!!!!!!!!!
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EXACTLY! Funny how even the so called no it alls in the sport will go on and on about how toxic stuff is. Drink a few beers every night and pop a couple of Tylenol and see how long it takes till your liver shuts down, not long trust me. But this is OK and not a big deal since a lot of people do this. ::)
exactly its cool for a pro athlete to go to rehab for alcohol, but once one test positive for steroids, hes "blackballed" from the sport......
If only people knew the truth. But i guess its easier to go through life uneducated and living the medias/governments wave of propaganda then it is to have an opinion of ur own.
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says the guy who's afraid of flying... but QFT
;D
Jim, do you have a sample cycle of the typical 90's "Pro" bodybuilder?
Depends on what part of the 90's. Guy's started to take a lot more test in the 90's and with the emergence of anti e's guys never came off of the high androgens like the used to in the years before. Of course this actually became the norm in the mid 80's. Later 90's brought more slin use. We all know what that brought.
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I think this is why ur the best thing going in the bodybuilding biz jimmy....
K.I.S.S.!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks, I've seen guys take one cycle and are all worried that there balls will never work again or that they will never be able to have children. Too much GD propaganda and exaggeration going on.
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I once was emailed Sergio's cycle (70's) from a guy that knew him (not the guy who used to post on here). He used mainly deca and Dbol with Winny thrown in at times. Now, I believe the drugs, but not the dosages. Quadruple it and I believe it. If you think that those guys back in the 70's were not popping ridiculous amounts of Dbol and deca then you are very naive. The only guy who had the balls to put his real Dbol dosage in print was Peter Grymkowski. I gotta laugh when people say that all these guys took was a couple of Dbol.
Think about it, back in the day NO ONE had any reason to believe that Dbol was dangerous (not that it is) so if you could take 5 a day and get big then why not try 10 or even 20? Well, they did and they got a lot bigger, wasn't to hard to figure that out. Actually I understand why no one wants to admit to those amount today because of all the media hype. Imagine if Arnie came out and said yeah I took the Hell out of Dbol, deca and primo so I could win the Olympia. I wanted to win at all costs (not hard to believe by how he talked)) and then use my uniqueness to move on to bigger and better stuff. Wake up guys, it's just reality.
This is absolutely true. I remember when I was going to Kerr and when he retired it was Walzack. On of the drugs that was forgot in this scenario was Anavar, the little 2.5mg football shaped ones. It went something like this and the doses varied.......Deca, Test, D-bol and anavar. That combination it was no wonder why they were strong as f**k.
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I know man. I'm just being the annoying "safety first" dickhead. There are lots of kids reading the board that we never hear from, so sometimes I feel compelled to play Devil's Advocate when guys start making points about how harmless the drugs are. A little fear/ healthy respect is a good thing.
I hear ya bro and I agree. I also think that the truth is the best policy. I personally don't think that anyone under 18 should touch anything even OTC stuff. Even that's probably too young but at least yor legal age. I have a 16 yr old son who I won't even let take creatine.
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Dbol creates the best looking muscles and gives that great 70's classic look. Its ironic because it is the least healthy steroid but creates the most healthy look.
I think it is also the reason so many of those 70's guys went mental..
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so what real dosages are we talking for arnold and sergio ?
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THATS WHY ARNOLD IS NUMBER 1! Numero uno
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so what real dosages are we talking for arnold and sergio ?
No one is really gonna know for sure, but I would guess Dbol around 100 to 200 mg Deca around 800 to 1000 mg same for primo.
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No one is really gonna know for sure, but I would guess Dbol around 100 to 200 mg Deca around 800 to 1000 mg same for primo.
100-200mg of dbol per day?
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100-200mg of dbol per day?
per hour 8)
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MY BAD.
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per hour 8)
who knows, that might be true ???
Jim, I remember reading a while back that the guys in the 70's used to take dbol til there piss turned brown ( usually would take about 8 to 10 months straight on it everyday ) then they would take a few weeks off, and start it all over again.
U ever hear anything like this?
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I think this is why ur the best thing going in the bodybuilding biz jimmy....
K.I.S.S.!!!!!!!!!!
At this point you're only one step away from offering to lick his balls and blow his dick.
epic ass kissing.
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100-200mg of dbol per day?
yes
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who knows, that might be true ???
Jim, I remember reading a while back that the guys in the 70's used to take dbol til there piss turned brown ( usually would take about 8 to 10 months straight on it everyday ) then they would take a few weeks off, and start it all over again.
U ever hear anything like this?
No, but the only person I personally know who had problems took 50 mg Dbol daily for about a year but he also drank bout 3 to 5 nights weekly. Some nights he would put away 12 to 24 beers and more than once a week. He finally got jaundice. I also know a guy who took dbol for over 2 years straight without a problem, but he was not a drinker.
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At this point you're only one step away from offering to lick his balls and blow his dick.
epic ass kissing.
So if i gave u compliments on the board? Would i be one step away from licking ur nipples and sucking on ur saggy titties?
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So if i gave u compliments on the board? Would i be one step away from licking ur nipples and sucking on ur saggy titties?
Whatever suits you. But if every other post was about brownosing me, I would tell you to back the fuck off...
Maybe" Jimmy" likes it.
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Whatever suits you. But if every other post was about brownosing me, I would tell you to back the fuck off...
Maybe" Jimmy" likes it.
Hey why dont u get some kleenex and wipe the tears from ur eyes and the snot bubbles from ur nose.
Epic crybaby Stalking.
And im just curious, should I feel honored or scared that u follow me around the board and respond in every thread I post in??? Or should I just tell u to back the fuck off
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Hey why dont u get some kleenex and wipe the tears from ur eyes and the snot bubbles from ur nose.
Epic crybaby Stalking.
HAHAHAHA settle down Mr 37.34234789g of carbs a day @ precisely 3.45hr intervals with 34.45g of Wax-her-maze exactly 22.45min after your last rep...
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HAHAHAHA settle down Mr 37.34234789g of carbs a day @ precisely 3.45hr intervals with 34.45g of Wax-her-maze exactly 22.45min after your last rep...
haha! ur past the point of even deserving a response.
Therefore eat another bag of these tonight and have a good time obsessing.
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haha! ur past the point of even deserving a response.
Therefore eat another bag of these tonight and have a good time obsessing.
So in your head everyone who doesn't eat meal out of tupperware and check their subcue water level every 2 hours, drinks a gallon of water 3xd eats cheetos all night long?
Epic tunnel perspective.
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So in your head everyone who doesn't eat meal out of tupperware and check their subcue water level every 2 hours, drinks a gallon of water 3xd eats cheetos all night long?
Epic tunnel perspective.
no, but have another one of these.
U know u love it!
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no, but have another one of these.
U know u love it!
You're just redirecting your own obsession on people who eat normally and train hard... I never eat that shit and you know it...
You can't train like a horse and eat like a mouse.....
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Arnold.
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Arnold.
D-bol.
(http://www.steroids-pharmacy.com/images/dianabol-dbol.jpg)
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There are other liabilities with using steroids, in particular dianabol. I had a that I worked with who was friends with a lot of old time Russian powerlifters. He said he knew several that had to be catherized on dbol becaue their prostate would swell they used to much of it. Maybe fiction maybe fact. Bottomline, dbol can be a harsh drug for many. Lots of old timers have had strokes, heart attacks etc. Was it related to steroids? Maybe, maybe not. But there are better options than dbol in my opinion. High dosed anavar, injectable test, to name a few.
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" Of course, in my heyday standards were different. All that professionals deemed necessary to prepare for competition was a 12 week cycle or less of 15mg of Dianabol a day and 100mg of Deca-Durabolin or possibly Pimobolan Depot every 7-10 days. According to an article Ray Mentzer wrote in Muscle Builder/Power detailing his contest preparation, he used even less than that prior to winning the Mr. America title." - Frank Zane quote July 1996 Flex Magazine
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" Of course, in my heyday standards were different. All that professionals deemed necessary to prepare for competition was a 12 week cycle or less of 15mg of Dianabol a day and 100mg of Deca-Durabolin or possibly Pimobolan Depot every 7-10 days. According to an article Ray Mentzer wrote in Muscle Builder/Power detailing his contest preparation, he used even less than that prior to winning the Mr. America title." - Frank Zane quote July 1996 Flex Magazine
They're ALL full of shit.
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D-bol.
(http://www.steroids-pharmacy.com/images/dianabol-dbol.jpg)
:D
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So if i gave u compliments on the board? Would i be one step away from licking ur nipples and sucking on ur saggy titties?
Don't knock "alex's" moobs. :-*
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They're ALL full of shit.
;D
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Mike Christian quotes; Flex Magazine Oct. 1996
" I was taking Anavar, only four or five a day, two and a half milligrams each. I put on about 10lbs after taking it a month. I won my first show after doing it, then next time i tried injections"
"It was 250mg of Sustanon. I put on another 10lbs from that. Then i did that along with six anavar a day. I put on another 20lbs, but i was very puffy. I was strong. I was very aggressive in the gym."
" I used an eight week cycle for the 1984 Nationals. The first four weeks I would take Sustanon and Primobolan, which are oil based steroids. I also took Dianabol and Anadrol 50, which are in pill form. For instance, i would take 250mg of Sustanon once a week and 10 Dianabol a day. These made me very big, very strong, so i used them to get big. I'd watch my weight just shoot right up 10 - 15lbs. Then the last four weeks before the show, I didn't want the puffy look, I wanted to be ripped and sharp, so i got off the oil-based stuff and just took water-based or fast-releasing stuff like Primobolan Acetate, Anavar, water-based aqueous testosterone and Winstrol-V. Later, I went on 12-week cycles and divided the same process six and six"
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Mike Christian quotes; Flex Magazine Oct. 1996
" I was taking Anavar, only four or five a day, two and a half milligrams each. I put on about 10lbs after taking it a month. I won my first show after doing it, then next time i tried injections"
"It was 250mg of Sustanon. I put on another 10lbs from that. Then i did that along with six anavar a day. I put on another 20lbs, but i was very puffy. I was strong. I was very aggressive in the gym."
" I used an eight week cycle for the 1984 Nationals. The first four weeks I would take Sustanon and Primobolan, which are oil based steroids. I also took Dianabol and Anadrol 50, which are in pill form. For instance, i would take 250mg of Sustanon once a week and 10 Dianabol a day. These made me very big, very strong, so i used them to get big. I'd watch my weight just shoot right up 10 - 15lbs. Then the last four weeks before the show, I didn't want the puffy look, I wanted to be ripped and sharp, so i got off the oil-based stuff and just took water-based or fast-releasing stuff like Primobolan Acetate, Anavar, water-based aqueous testosterone and Winstrol-V. Later, I went on 12-week cycles and divided the same process six and six"
Guess he was concerned about his health enough that he didn't want to go any higher. ::)
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" Of course, in my heyday standards were different. All that professionals deemed necessary to prepare for competition was a 12 week cycle or less of 15mg of Dianabol a day and 100mg of Deca-Durabolin or possibly Pimobolan Depot every 7-10 days. According to an article Ray Mentzer wrote in Muscle Builder/Power detailing his contest preparation, he used even less than that prior to winning the Mr. America title." - Frank Zane quote July 1996 Flex Magazine
Zane ive been told by old timers was a very scientific guy when it came to gear, was one of the first to push the envelope even if his physique didnt show it in terms of mass, the thing is back in their day, they didnt take test, only anabolics and you can take a shitload without getting VISABLE side effects like when you take test and such, Mentzer i wouldnt believe, how can a guy who drank and methed himself to his suicide bed, say he used small quanitities of steroids, bodybuilders are full of shit. especially the old ones, hang on thats me. ;D
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Zane ive been told by old timers was a very scientific guy when it came to gear, was one of the first to push the envelope even if his physique didnt show it in terms of mass, the thing is back in their day, they didnt take test, only anabolics and you can take a shitload without getting VISABLE side effects like when you take test and such, Mentzer i wouldnt believe, how can a guy who drank and methed himself to his suicide bed, say he used small quanitities of steroids, bodybuilders are full of shit. especially the old ones, hang on thats me. ;D
Truth!
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Philip Goglia qoutes; Aug. 1996 Flex Magazine
"Over the years, my drug use escalated dramatically. Here are two stacks: an early cycle and one of my final cycles."
Early Cycle: (1981)
Dianabol
Testosterone cypionate
Deca-Durabolin
Total: Approx. 740-880mg per week
Late cycle: (1995)
Laurobolin
Primobolan Depot
Anadrol
Androxin
Depo Sterona
Testovis
Testosterone Cypionate
Clenbuterol
Total: Approx. 5000mg per week
Plus:
HGH (Lilly); Cytomel; ACThar; Insulin
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Philip Goglia qoutes; Aug. 1996 Flex Magazine
"Over the years, my drug use escalated dramatically. Here are two stacks: an early cycle and one of my final cycles."
Early Cycle: (1981)
Dianabol
Testosterone cypionate
Deca-Durabolin
Total: Approx. 740-880mg per week
Late cycle: (1995)
Laurobolin
Primobolan Depot
Anadrol
Androxin
Depo Sterona
Testovis
Testosterone Cypionate
Clenbuterol
Total: Approx. 5000mg per week
Plus:
HGH (Lilly); Cytomel; ACThar; Insulin
I believe this, but I will explain later (too lengthy goin to bed) as to why I like the first one better and I'll bet he looked better in the 80's also.
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Truth!
Mike never used nearly as much as you guys might think. He started at age 20, and had already won Mr Pennsylvania and placed 10 th in the 71 Mr A. Check out the pic on the Mentzer thread when he was only 15. Genetics. Mike Christian was probably the same. He also abused other drugs, too. Incidently, the one time I saw Mike drink, it was a glass of wine. I definitely outdrank him at his New Years Party, of course he had the flu or something and wasn't drinking much, so I had the upper hand, lol.
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There are other liabilities with using steroids, in particular dianabol. I had a that I worked with who was friends with a lot of old time Russian powerlifters. He said he knew several that had to be catherized on dbol becaue their prostate would swell they used to much of it. Maybe fiction maybe fact. Bottomline, dbol can be a harsh drug for many. Lots of old timers have had strokes, heart attacks etc. Was it related to steroids? Maybe, maybe not. But there are better options than dbol in my opinion. High dosed anavar, injectable test, to name a few.
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This is suposed to be arnies favorite cycle:
Weeks Primobolan Enanthate (Injectable) Dianabol (Dbol)
(oral) Deca Durabolin
(Injectable)
Week 1 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 2 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 3 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 4 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 5 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 6 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 7 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 8 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 9 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 10 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 11 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 12 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 13 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 14 1000mg / week 100mg / day
Week 15 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 16 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 17 800mg / week 80mg / day
Week 18 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 19 600mg / week 60mg / day
Week 20 600mg / week 60mg / day
BRIDGE
Week 21 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 22 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 23 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 24 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 25 30mg / day 200mg / week
Week 26 30mg / day 200mg / week
START CYCLE (1-20) AGAIN
thoughts?
Do you know this because he told you?
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Do you know this because he told you?
yes - last week, over a burger and fries.
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hahahaa, exactly, i thought "mcmannus" claimed to lifetime drug free.
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Philip Goglia qoutes; Aug. 1996 Flex Magazine
"Over the years, my drug use escalated dramatically. Here are two stacks: an early cycle and one of my final cycles."
Early Cycle: (1981)
Dianabol
Testosterone cypionate
Deca-Durabolin
Total: Approx. 740-880mg per week
Late cycle: (1995)
Laurobolin
Primobolan Depot
Anadrol
Androxin
Depo Sterona
Testovis
Testosterone Cypionate
Clenbuterol
Total: Approx. 5000mg per week
Plus:
HGH (Lilly); Cytomel; ACThar; Insulin
I would venture to guess that Phill went a little higher than just 800 mg per week on the first cycle. Even though he doesn't list exact amounts it is very hard to break it down to how much he actually took but when you try the mgs are way too low UNLESS he is not counting the dbol oral amounts in there. Hell, 2 Anadrol a day is going to equal 700 mg per week, see what I mean?
At any rate, The second cycle is just mostly a ton of test so I am not impressed with it. Talk about all the scientific BS you want about why test is best and all that, the guys from the 70's and early 80's looked a certain way for a reason. After a certain dose, test just gives you a lot of bloat with no quality gains. These guys also didn't walk around in the offseason weighing 300 plus pounds. Take a look at Sergio from the 70's. He was mostly a Dbol and Deca user with some V (this coming from a guy that trained with him) He also told me that when he made his comeback at the 84 Olympia he tried that "new" trpe of cycles which included a lot more test, and also took some tren. IMO he looked no where near as good and age had noting to do with it. Ronnie and Chris Dickerson were both around the same age or maybe older.
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I would venture to guess that Phill went a little higher than just 800 mg per week on the first cycle. Even though he doesn't list exact amounts it is very hard to break it down to how much he actually took but when you try the mgs are way too low UNLESS he is not counting the dbol oral amounts in there. Hell, 2 Anadrol a day is going to equal 700 mg per week, see what I mean?
At any rate, The second cycle is just mostly a ton of test so I am not impressed with it. Talk about all the scientific BS you want about why test is best and all that, the guys from the 70's and early 80's looked a certain way for a reason. After a certain dose, test just gives you a lot of bloat with no quality gains. These guys also didn't walk around in the offseason weighing 300 plus pounds. Take a look at Sergio from the 70's. He was mostly a Dbol and Deca user with some V (this coming from a guy that trained with him) He also told me that when he made his comeback at the 84 Olympia he tried that "new" trpe of cycles which included a lot more test, and also took some tren. IMO he looked no where near as good and age had noting to do with it. Ronnie and Chris Dickerson were both around the same age or maybe older.
It makes sense, and has been mentioned before, but then why does the current gen up the dosage of test so far?
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Because for somestupid reason they think more test equals more muscle ..
More test equals more bloat and harsher side effectsin my opp
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It makes sense, and has been mentioned before, but then why does the current gen up the dosage of test so far?
my next cycle, I plan on doing a anabolic cycle only, with maybe 250mg of test/week of something like that
still haven't made up my mind yet, but I'll keep you guys updated with the results.
I'll start december 15
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Because for somestupid reason they think more test equals more muscle .. More test equals more bloat and harsher side effectsin my opp
Correct. My point is, a lot of people seem to know this, and yet test keeps on getting "abused".
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Because for somestupid reason they think more test equals more muscle ..
More test equals more bloat and harsher side effectsin my opp
what's the best steroid for gaining muscle in your opinion ?
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my next cycle, I plan on doing a anabolic cycle only, with maybe 250mg of test/week of something like that
still haven't made up my mind yet, but I'll keep you guys updated with the results.
I'll start december 15
fuck test ... get 250-500 at most if any ...
I'd go dbol+deca
Another retarded thing I read on the steroid board ( division ::) et comp ) is that when you run test deca it has to be a 2:1 ratio .. say what ?????????????
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fuck test ... get 250-500 at most if any ...
I'd go dbol+deca
Another retarded thing I read on the steroid board ( division ::) et comp ) is that when you run test deca it has to be a 2:1 ratio .. say what ?????????????
yeah I'd like to have a bit of test cause I would hate to have libido problems at 21 :-X
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what's the best steroid for gaining muscle in your opinion ?
That's easy : dianabol
and deca ...
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yeah I'd like to have a bit of test cause I would hate to have libido problems at 21 :-X
I don't think you will .. 250-500 test ..
dianabol is actually a strong sexual stimulent and many people never realize that even on the facts sheet inside the little Naposim box it says that one of the side effects is priaprism possibly ...
Priaprism for those not familiar with the term iswhen you get and erection and it stays like that ... the blood never flushes back in and you have to go to the hospital :)
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I don't think you will .. 250-500 test ..
dianabol is actually a strong sexual stimulent and many people never realize that even on the facts sheet inside the little Naposim box it says that one of the side effects is priaprism possibly ...
Priaprism for those not familiar with the term iswhen you get and erection and it stays like that ... the blood never flushes back in and you have to go to the hospital :)
seems great ! ;D
kinda like you were on high doses of Cialis 8)
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dbol or test just soemthing to aromatize so you can get gh +igf + increase AR density + increase sattleite cell + increase glucose metabolism
then on top throw in shit loads of non aromatizing strong anabolics
like tren or eq
you could high dose deca to get enough aromatization too
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seems great ! ;D
kinda like you were on high doses of Cialis 8)
never been on "high " doses ...
I took cialis because Grant Michaels recommended it .. it was nice .. Viagra is more for "let's go right now .. tear your pussy up " type of deal :d
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I tried Cialis twice and it was awesome.
I tried viagra once and I am not touching that thing again ! Massive headache 30 minutes after I took it !
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tooko viagra pre workout and it didnt do nothing expect when i was doign some cardio on the stationary bike i got wood and it felt nice on my mesh shorts 8)
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dbol or test just soemthing to aromatize so you can get gh +igf + increase AR density + increase sattleite cell + increase glucose metabolism
then on top throw in shit loads of non aromatizing strong anabolics
like tren or eq
you could high dose deca to get enough aromatization too
pls explain to ignorant natural what the hell "aromatize" means ???
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convert to estrogen
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convert to estrogen
is that what causes bitchtits?
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is that what causes bitchtits?
exactly
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dbol or test just soemthing to aromatize so you can get gh +igf + increase AR density + increase sattleite cell + increase glucose metabolism
then on top throw in shit loads of non aromatizing strong anabolics
like tren or eq
you could high dose deca to get enough aromatization too
HAHAHH! and I'm assuming you've got the physique to back up those claims?
Another Genius in action.
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here's a weird irony: bodybuilding is all drugs. everyone knows Arnold's cycles. no one looks like Arnold??
and to think that we all have the benefit of high grade protien powders and other nutrional breakthroughs since Arnold retired, everyone should be even better than Arnold.
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exactly
so if bb's only take non-aromatiziing things they don't get it?
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here's a weird irony: bodybuilding is all drugs. everyone knows Arnold's cycles. no one looks like Arnold??
and to think that we all have the benefit of high grade protien powders and other nutrional breakthroughs since Arnold retired, everyone should be even better than Arnold.
are u suggesting only white austrians can achieve great things?
hi mattc
;D
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you can do tons of test and never get it or you can get it without any drugs ....
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are u suggesting only white austrians can achieve great things?
hi mattc
;D
no, not sure how you got that. just a question for the people who say anyone built well is all-drugs.
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no, not sure how you got that. just a question for the people who say anyone built well is all-drugs.
just kidding...not anyone who is well built, but anyone who is HUGE is... well i wouldn't say all drugs, but some drugs cause they would be under 200lbs otherwise
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hahahaa, exactly, i thought "mcmannus" claimed to lifetime drug free.
Didn't you claim to have a six pack at one time? Thought so. I never claimed I was drug free. I have a few cycles under my belt. But unlike Spermatease when I cycle my muscles actually grow instead of my head and receding hairline.
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Didn't you claim to have a six pack at one time? Thought so. I never claimed I was drug free. I have a few cycles under my belt. But unlike Spermatease when I cycle my muscles actually grow instead of my head and receding hairline.
please do post a pic : I'll give you props if by any chance you look better
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Arnold took a lot of drugs? shocking ::)