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Adonis's methods are correct, all that matters is the amount of calories you consume
I have believed in this method also
I'm quite tired of people and their "complex clean diets" ::)
and putting down the eating less of your favourite foods approach
I'll even try a more intense approach of calorie is a calorie
for the past couple of months I have been eating somewhere over 4000 calories
I'm at 12%-13% bodyfat right now
I'll be eating 0.5 grams of protein per lb bodyweight a day, and getting the rest of the calories from icecream, chocolate, muffins, and whatever else
is considered junk food, and whatever I like
while keeping my calories at 2000
will be doing NO cardio
will weight train daily
and I believe in 4 weeks I'll be ripped
I will prove to you that it's not so much what you eat that matters, but how much you eat that matters
I will post pictures 4 weeks from now, right now I look MUCH worse than Mr. Getbig pics, I have probably added another
4-5 pounds from being a pig and eating everything in sight
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Adonis's methods are correct, all that matters is the amount of calories you consume
I have believed in this method also
I'm quite tired of people and their "complex clean diets" ::)
and putting down the eating less of your favourite foods approach
I'll even try a more intense approach of calorie is a calorie
for the past couple of months I have been eating somewhere over 4000 calories
I'm at 12%-13% bodyfat right now
I'll be eating 100 grams of protein a day, and getting the rest of the calories from icecream, chocolate, muffins, and whatever else
is considered junk food, and whatever I like
while keeping my calories at 2500
will be doing NO cardio
will weight train daily
and I believe in 4 weeks I'll be ripped
I will prove to you that it's not so much what you eat that matters, but how much you eat that matters
I will post pictures 4 weeks from now, right now I look MUCH worse than Mr. Getbig pics, I have probably added another
4-5 pounds from being a pig and eating everything in sight
Oh brother ::)
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we all eagerly await your amazing transformation from broomstick into even skinnier broomstick
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stop being complicated
lift, eat, grow, rest, repeat
that is ALL YOU HAVE TO KNOW AT 19
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we all eagerly await your amazing transformation from broomstick into even skinnier broomstick
then to wire hanger lol
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2500 calories is a bit too high in my opinion if no Cardio is being done and if you are sedentary to moderately so.
In time you will be very lean with that caloric amount, but it will take a bit longer.
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2500 calories is a bit too high in my opinion if no Cardio is being done and if you are sedentary to moderately so.
lol!!
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2500 calories is a bit too high in my opinion if no Cardio is being done and if you are sedentary to moderately so.
2000?
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2000?
I believe my metablism can handle 2500
I eat between 4000-5000 calories everyday and somedays even 15,000
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That's not exactly the diet I would recommend but 4 weeks won't do any harm.
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That's not exactly the diet I would recommend but 4 weeks won't do any harm.
I'll combine this with my new weight lifting approach and I believe it will be quite a transformation
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2000?
Yeep, start there.
Also, AXA
sign up on this site if you can,
www.nutritiondata.com
or www.fitday.com
Make sure you are tracking everything. Most people don`t realize how much they are in fact overeating.
I would also keep protein .5 to about 1 gram per lb of bodyweight with a tilt to the higher end of that margin. You can also go over that threshold, it does not matter. Just don`t exceed the caloric amount.
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I am not going to tell you what to eat as you know some food is better than others in taste and nutrition obviously, just eat whatever you like in order to meet these goals.
1. .5 to 1 gram per lb of bodyweight in protein
2. 2000 calories
Also, I would like to see everything you eat in that time frame via one of those 2 sites. That way we can see what you are eating and if you are on track.
You will make tremendous progress in 4 weeks, but you will still have more to lose beyond that time frame to become super-ripped.
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Yeep, start there.
Also, AXA
sign up on this site if you can,
www.nutritiondata.com
or www.fitday.com
Make sure you are tracking everything. Most people don`t realize how much they are in fact overeating.
I would also keep protein .5 to about 1 gram per lb of bodyweight with a tilt to the higher end of that margin. You can also go over that threshold, it does not matter. Just don`t exceed the caloric amount.
alright that's a little less but I'll do it, 2000
and get .5 per lb which is what I have always been getting
and I'll sign up at the websites as well
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I believe my metablism can handle 2500
I eat between 4000-5000 calories everyday and somedays even 15,000
Explains why you look like poo. Enjoy the skeleton look.
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AXA, can you please list what you eat when you consume 15,000 calories a day?
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AXA, can you please list what you eat when you consume 15,000 calories a day?
Fecal matter
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AXA, can you please list what you eat when you consume 15,000 calories a day?
oreo cookies, galons of chocolate milk, dairy queen blizzards, burger king, about 4 pounds of chocolate
and anything in my fridge
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oreo cookies, galons of chocolate milk, dairy queen blizzards, burger king, about 4 pounds of chocolate
and anything in my fridge
You must be quite the monster
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I am not going to tell you what to eat as you know some food is better than others in taste and nutrition obviously, just eat whatever you like in order to meet these goals.
1. .5 to 1 gram per lb of bodyweight in protein
2. 2000 calories
Also, I would like to see everything you eat in that time frame via one of those 2 sites. That way we can see what you are eating and if you are on track.
You will make tremendous progress in 4 weeks, but you will still have more to lose beyond that time frame to become super-ripped.
I'm waaaay too lazy to keep track of them on that site everyday
I have my own Excel file that I made, adds up the calories and macros, etc
I'm pretty good at counting calories also
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How about 1200 calories a day?
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How about 1200 calories a day?
I'd die LOL
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Dear AXA,
Start doing the following:
Eat 4000 calories of clean food.
Do decent basic exercises, no gayass quarter rom smith squats or your quads will look like those of adonis.
Deadlifts, goodmornings, fullsquats, legpresses, (db) benches, rows, chins etc.
You need to put some meat on your frame, instead of trying to lose fat on adams 90grams of protein a day BS.
Good food + basic exercises = results, it has always been this way and always will be.
Good luck
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Dear AXA,
Start doing the following:
Eat 4000 calories of clean food.
Do decent basic exercises, no gayass quarter rom smith squats or your quads will look like those of adonis.
Deadlifts, goodmornings, fullsquats, legpresses, (db) benches, rows, chins etc.
You need to put some meat on your frame, instead of trying to lose fat on adams 90grams of protein a day BS.
Good luck
I will do this after new years
I have to be ripped by christmas LOL going on vacation
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I will do this after new years
I have to be ripped by christmas LOL going on vacation
You can't "rip" what you don't have.
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I had decent success using a form of TA's principles.
I severely cut my calories and paid virtually no attention to protein, and saw much better results than when I tried low-carb.
I ate whatever I wanted, staying below a caloric limit for the day, and it worked.
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I'd die LOL
I am going to try it over the weekend...I am getting desperate...maybe just for 2 days...
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If you wanna lose weight seriously low GI is as good as any
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I am going to try it over the weekend...I am getting desperate...maybe just for 2 days...
I wonder, would something like 500 work? LOL
you could get like 80 grams of protein and some carbs ;D
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I had decent success using a form of TA's principles.
I severely cut my calories and paid virtually no attention to protein, and saw much better results than when I tried low-carb.
I ate whatever I wanted, staying below a caloric limit for the day, and it worked.
how many cals were you eating? ???
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I'd die LOL
Then you should definately try it.
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how many cals were you eating? ???
I went from probably around 2300-2500 cals to no more than 1500/day.
I thought I would see significant muscle loss but I didn't.
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I wonder, would something like 500 work? LOL
you could get like 80 grams of protein and some carbs ;D
For 1200 cal.
200 grams protein (800 cal.)
30 grams carbs (120 cal., mostly hidden)
30 grams fat (270 cal. mostly fish oil/flax, nuts and olive oil)
ca. 1200 cal...
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how many cals were you eating? ???
AXA,
Timberwolf here would average about 2000-2200 calories for years on end.
Here are some pictures of him. This should give everyone some perspective. I have all of his logs from that time period as well.
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For 1200 cal.
200 grams protein (800 cal.)
30 grams carbs (120 cal., mostly hidden)
30 grams fat (270 cal. mostly fish oil/flax, nuts and olive oil)
ca. 1200 cal...
Bad Idea.
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Bad Idea.
Why? besides his calories are too low. (gotta hear this)
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Bad Idea.
Why?
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AXA,
Timberwolf here would average about 2000-2200 calories for years on end.
Here are some pictures of him. This should give everyone some perspective. I have all of his logs from that time period as well.
probably natural huh?
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you need more protien stud
beans and milk
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you need more protien stud
beans and milk
::)
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why are you guys acting like it's something new?
of course it doesn't matter what you eat, the kcal intake is important but the problem is you don't feel sated if you eat only 1 bigmc for example...you could eat like 600gr chickenbreast which would make you feel much more sated
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My plan was new because I took the advice of a former Mr. Minnesota competitor and basically ignored my protein intake and focused ONLY on calories. It worked great.
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The brain needs at least 50-100 grams of carbohydrates to function properly and with the protein as high as it is, this will also cause quite a deficiency by default for other vitamins and nutrients.
2000 calories with protein leveled out at 1 gr per lb of bodyweight or so will inevitably keep this from happening, especially "eating what he wants" given the free range and variance of foods he would be presumably eating.
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why are you guys acting like it's something new?
of course it doesn't matter what you eat, the kcal intake is important but the problem is you don't feel sated if you eat only 1 bigmc for example...you could eat like 600gr chickenbreast which would make you feel much more sated
The problem is, it's nothing new. It's a calorie controlled diet, nothing more, nothing less. But not designed for competitive bodybuilders like Adam is trying to present.
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why are you guys acting like it's something new?
of course it doesn't matter what you eat, the kcal intake is important but the problem is you don't feel sated if you eat only 1 bigmc for example...you could eat like 600gr chickenbreast which would make you feel much more sated
Simply not true for everyone. With that said, Also, the fat and carbohydrate content in a Big Mac will certainly provide more satiety then just a suppliance of one Macronutrient ie 600 gr. of Chicken Breast.
The 600 gr of chicken breast is more calories than a Big Mac by the way.
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Temporary drastic calorie reductions can work wonders...
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The problem is, it's nothing new. It's a calorie controlled diet, nothing more, nothing less. But not designed for competitive bodybuilders like Adam is trying to present.
Mr. Minnesota seems to connotate a successful bodybuilder. I do not know what Mr. Minnesota recommended, but I do know Condor just posted this:
Condor
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Re: Trying the calorie is a calorie, Adonis like approach
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My plan was new because I took the advice of a former Mr. Minnesota competitor and basically ignored my protein intake and focused ONLY on calories. It worked great.
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The brain needs at least 50-100 grams of carbohydrates to function properly and with the protein as high as it is, this will also cause quite a deficiency by default for other vitamins and nutrients.
2000 calories with protein leveled out at 1 gr per lb of bodyweight or so will inevitably keep this from happening, especially "eating what he wants" given the free range and variance of foods he would be presumably eating.
Putting processed shit into your body is never a good thing. Period.
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Putting processed shit into your body is never a good thing. Period.
One must define the term, "processed".
All foods are processed in some way. Your chicken breasts are processed in a Poultry plant. So by your rationale, Chicken Breasts should not be eaten.
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Putting processed shit into your body is never a good thing. Period.
So do you agree with Adonis Principles?
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Don't forget the clen and t3
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Mr. Minnesota seems to connotate a successful bodybuilder. I do not know what Mr. Minnesota recommended, but I do know Condor just posted this:
Condor
Getbig IV
Posts: 1563
Re: Trying the calorie is a calorie, Adonis like approach
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My plan was new because I took the advice of a former Mr. Minnesota competitor and basically ignored my protein intake and focused ONLY on calories. It worked great.
His plan was taken from the principles of Clarence Bass, author of "Ripped."
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Mr. Minnesota seems to connotate a successful bodybuilder. I do not know what Mr. Minnesota recommended, but I do know Condor just posted this:
Condor
Getbig IV
Posts: 1563
Re: Trying the calorie is a calorie, Adonis like approach
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My plan was new because I took the advice of a former Mr. Minnesota competitor and basically ignored my protein intake and focused ONLY on calories. It worked great.
I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch where Condor placed in his show or have seen his pics. That being said, you post a pic of this Timberwolf dude and the first thing I have to ask myself, One, whats he on and 2, how much eca, clen or T-3 is he taking. Been doing this waaaaaaaaaaaay to long Adam, sorry.
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Timberwolf is jacked AND ripped :o
and he has long hair aswell? ??? LOL ;D
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I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch where Condor placed in his show or have seen his pics. That being said, you post a pic of this Timberwolf dude and the first thing I have to ask myself, One, whats he on and 2, how much eca, clen or T-3 is he taking. Been doing this waaaaaaaaaaaay to long Adam, sorry.
he is 40 years of age, so you're right
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Putting processed shit into your body is never a good thing. Period.
As far as reaching my goals, processed food or not, it did not matter whatsoever what I ate as long as I stayed below a certain caloric level.
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Simply not true for everyone. With that said, Also, the fat and carbohydrate content in a Big Mac will certainly provide more satiety then just a suppliance of one Macronutrient ie 600 gr. of Chicken Breast.
The 600 gr of chicken breast is more calories than a Big Mac by the way.
i meant chickenbreast schnitzel...600gr have 600kcal...don't know how much a bigmac has but it should be somewhere around 600
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A calorie is not a calorie.
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A calorie is not a calorie.
Worked for me...
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Condor do you have any pics when you dieted down this way?
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Condor do you have any pics when you dieted down this way?
I still had at least another few months to get in contest shape, but for the purposes of Halloween, it was good enough:
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Ha, thought I knew you!
Make some pics when you're ripped!
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Dude, I don't know why or how people believe this, but not all calories are the same.
Calorie restriction works, but the overall quality of that calorie needs to be there.
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Ha, thought I knew you!
Make some pics when you're ripped!
That was me at around 153 lbs, starting at around 166 lbs. No, I wasn't ripped but I was happy with the progress I had made. Certainly better than that low-carb shit.
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Worked for me...
works for me too but i eat clean cause i can eat a bigger amount of food
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That was me at around 153 lbs, starting at around 166 lbs. No, I wasn't ripped but I was happy with the progress I had made. Certainly better than that low-carb shit.
Ha, that's also my start and current weight!
You compete?
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Ha, that's also my start and current weight!
You compete?
No, I never have....you?
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No, I never have....you?
No, no, I just asked because you said "contest shape" :D
Looking good in the pics!
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No, no, I just asked because you said "contest shape" :D
Looking good in the pics!
Thanks man.....no that was a couple of weeks ago and since then I've been out of the gym....I kind of wished I would have kept pushing it to see how far I could have went....but then again, I'd need something like a contest to keep me motivated or else what's the point, you know.
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No, no, I just asked because you said "contest shape" :D
Looking good in the pics!
I was doing the ADP for a while and got almost no results...
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I was doing the ADP for a while and got almost no results...
What was your diet exactly? How many cals?
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What was your diet exactly? How many cals?
Between 1600 and 2000 a day...
I am back on low carb now...results are better but still stagnating...something is wrong with my body but it is just so fucking hard to drop weight...
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Between 1600 and 2000 a day...
I am back on low carb now...results are better but still stagnating...something is wrong with my body but it is just so fucking hard to drop weight...
cardio + ephedrine
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Well if you eat like a girl, your body will eventually emulate the physique of a girl..
I know that from first hand experience. I used to be a matchstick Chinese hooker in a previous lifetime. :D
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Between 1600 and 2000 a day...
I am back on low carb now...results are better but still stagnating...something is wrong with my body but it is just so fucking hard to drop weight...
But it looks more like the problem is the amount of calories if you have troubles in both cases.
Maybe you just need to still lower them somewhat. Do pig out days help?
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cardio + ephedrine
I won't take ephedrine or related substances; am post thirty want to careful about stuff like that...
More cardio wouldn't be bad....but according to ADP you don't need ANY cardio to get ripped...
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I won't take ephedrine or related substances; am post thirty want to careful about stuff like that...
More cardio wouldn't be bad....but according to ADP you don't need ANY cardio to get ripped...
Yes but cardio is allowed of course if you have an easier way of dieting on higher cals.
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But it looks more like the problem is the amount of calories if you have troubles in both cases.
Maybe you just need to still lower them somewhat. Do pig out days help?
I don't know. At first I was doing once a week Fresstage but I really went overboard on those days, eating 2 whole pizzas and the like. I am thinking now maybe once every two weeks and I am trying to start doing cardio (which I wasn't doing before)...
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More cardio wouldn't be bad....but according to ADP you don't need ANY cardio to get ripped...
I agree you don't need cardio to be ripped, from personal experience, but I have found it much easier to hold on to mass and be lean doing cardio as opposed to being purely calorie restricted. Also, the quality of my LBM seems to be much better and detailed even at the same BF %.
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I won't take ephedrine or related substances; am post thirty want to careful about stuff like that...
More cardio wouldn't be bad....but according to ADP you don't need ANY cardio to get ripped...
i am pretty ripped right now,it's tough to get under 10%
here is my advice
2000kcal
5-6 workout + at least 30 min cardio
ephedrine stacker(only 6% ephedrine + coffeeine and other stuff which is in the pills)
but i have to say i walk alot the whole day...i'm doing my national service right now and i have to transport all the old people in the hospital to the untersuchungen(?)(help me out wavelength)
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there is a point where you have to start with cardio cause the body gets used to the cal amount
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there is a point where you have to start with cardio cause the body gets used to the cal amount
Cardio is useless for Naturals. Only burns tons of muscles.
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i am pretty ripped right now,it's tough to get under 10%
here is my advice
2000kcal
5-6 workout + at least 30 min cardio
ephedrine stacker(only 6% ephedrine + coffeeine and other stuff which is in the pills)
but i have to say i walk alot the whole day...i'm doing my national service right now and i have to transport all the old people in the hospital to the untersuchungen(?)(help me out wavelength)
Ich trainiere nie mehr als 3mal die Woche. Das ist meine Regel. Ausdauer kann ich mit einbauen. Ich nehme nix wie Ephedrin und werde es auch nicht tun...
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Cardio is useless for Naturals. Only burns tons of muscles.
ich finde nicht,vor allem wird das übertrieben dargestellt mit dem muskelverbrennen...voral lem weil man eh muskulöser erscheint wenn man gerippt ist :-)
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there is a point where you have to start with cardio cause the body gets used to the cal amount
Not my experience.
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Not my experience.
maybe it's true that every body is different?^^
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there is a point where you have to start with cardio cause the body gets used to the cal amount
Then push your metabolism with a refeed. ;)
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maybe it's true that every body is different?^^
True, but have you tried both and compared results?
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Not my experience.
So oder so geht der Stoffwechsel irgendwann mal in den Keller bei einem Kaloriendefizit. Man kann den auf mehrfache Weise wieder ankurbeln. Ausdauertraining kann kraeftig unterstuetzen und eine kurzfristige Erhoehung der Kalorienzufuhr kann aehnliches bewirken.
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I believe my metablism can handle 2500
I eat between 4000-5000 calories everyday and somedays even 15,000
Youre such a tool.
Please show me what 15000 cals looks like.
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So oder so geht der Stoffwechsel irgendwann mal in den Keller bei einem Kaloriendefizit. Man kann den auf mehrfache Weise wieder ankurbeln. Ausdauertraining kann kraeftig unterstuetzen und eine kurzfristige Erhoehung der Kalorienzufuhr kann aehnliches bewirken.
Ist mir nicht passiert, vielleicht weil ichs sehr langsam angegangen bin (nur so ca. 1/2 kg in der Woche). Dadurch war ich am Schluss noch bei ca. 2000cal, wenn man den Fresstag mit reinrechnet.
Es gibt da sicher individuelle Unterschiede, aber verschiedene Sachen ausprobieren kann nicht schaden.
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True, but have you tried both and compared results?
yes i have,there was one point where i had to start with cardio to push my metabolism
Then push your metabolism with a refeed. ;)
i do that like once in month, i eat like a pig,but the problem is that i feel bad afterwards^^
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Cardio is useless for Naturals. Only burns tons of muscles.
I hope this wasn't a serious post.
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Ist mir nicht passiert, vielleicht weil ichs sehr langsam angegangen bin (nur so ca. 1/2 kg in der Woche). Dadurch war ich am Schluss noch bei ca. 2000cal, wenn man den Fresstag mit reinrechnet.
Es gibt da sicher individuelle Unterschiede, aber verschiedene Sachen ausprobieren kann nicht schaden.
Ich wollte es auch langsam angehen, hab aber soviel Speck abzubauen...ich komme LANGSAM voran. Ich probiere verschiedenes jetzt aus....
Gestern habe ich einen Boxsack verpruegelt, nachdem ich 40 minuten Ausdauer gemacht habe.
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Please show me what 15000 cals looks like.
Delicious.
Yes, there is cheese IN the burger. God damn I want four of those.
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yes i have,there was one point where i had to start with cardio to push my metabolism
What was that point and why did you think you can't lose any more weight by further reducing calories? How low did you go?
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I hope this wasn't a serious post.
Well it's possible to burn muscle with cardio. I say better be safe than sorry. ;D
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What was that point and why did you think you can't lose any more weight by further reducing calories? How low did you go?
ach so meinst du das...ne ich hätte ja weiter reduzieren können,aber ich wollte nicht noch weniger essen...irgendwann hab ich nix mehr abgenommen und als ich dann mit cardio anfing ging es wieder weiter
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Well it's possible to burn muscle with cardio. I say better be safe than sorry. ;D
Not to mention that Cardio sucks big time. ;D
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Well it's possible to burn muscle with cardio. I say better be safe than sorry. ;D
You can also burn it with a fucking lighter. Cardio is NOT the enemy of muscles...too much cardio is...
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Not to mention that Cardio sucks big time. ;D
Dem kann ich voll zustimmen.
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You can also burn it with a fucking lighter. Cardio is NOT the enemy of muscles...too much cardio is...
Are you doing Cardio on a seperate day or directly after your weight training?
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http://www.fett-weg-spritze.de
!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great stuff,maybe one day i can think of letting this done,i mean when i am old like you guys^^
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ach so meinst du das...ne ich hätte ja weiter reduzieren können,aber ich wollte nicht noch weniger essen...irgendwann hab ich nix mehr abgenommen und als ich dann mit cardio anfing ging es wieder weiter
Ich geh da ziemlich systematisch vor. Ich schau mir an, wie sich mein Fettgewicht und mein Muskelgewicht bei einer bestimmten Diät verändert, wenn ich mit einer bestimmten Rate abnehme. Bei mir hat sich herausgestellt, dass wenn ich mit derselben Rate abnehme mit Cardio, das Verhältnis sogar schlechter ist als ohne. Klar kann man etwas mehr essen dabei, aber weniger hungrig war ich deshalb nicht.
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Not to mention that Cardio sucks big time. ;D
A echta Weana!
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A echta Weana!
Oba koa waschechta.... ;)
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Oba koa waschechta.... ;)
Sowas gibts eh net.
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sorobsa vienna sausage mits flarfan
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Well it's possible to burn muscle with cardio. I say better be safe than sorry. ;D
I agree 110%, but the statement taken as truth in its original context was silly. You have to find that perfect balance between cardio and diet to maintain what you have...
And to be entirely honest, I've been doing my cardio in the form of jogging with interval sprints in between. My legs are blowing the hell up. I haven't had this kind of vascularity and sweep in years with them. Calves are always ballin' out of control though. Maybe a tap less than 20 minutes, but I know its three miles on my straight jog days. Interval sprint after first mile takes a bit longer though with rest in between.
Basically, balance it out. Balls to the walls lifting though. :)
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Between 1600 and 2000 a day...
I am back on low carb now...results are better but still stagnating...something is wrong with my body but it is just so fucking hard to drop weight...
deicide, here is what I suggest
EAT MORE
my body was the same, lower your calories doesn't always work
sometimes you need to eat more
try 2500 calories
I was eating 1500-1800 calories a day but was getting fatter, I started eating 3000-3500 calories
and actually started to see my sixpack
I was also doing an hour of cardio
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sorobsa vienna sausage mits flarfan
Haha, yes but what's "sorobsa" and "flarfan"?
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But it looks more like the problem is the amount of calories if you have troubles in both cases.
Maybe you just need to still lower them somewhat. Do pig out days help?
I have seen Deicide`s pictures and I hope he does not take this as an insult....
If he were to be totally ripped, he would most likely fall somewhere in the 110-125 lb range. This could in fact be why his caloric intake may need to be lower.
With that said, I would have to analyze how and what he has been eating to set him on the correct path. This may even render what I typed in red above, meaningless based on more info that he can provide.
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why does this guy act like he is a professor
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Are you doing Cardio on a seperate day or directly after your weight training?
Getrennt.
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Delicious.
Yes, there is cheese IN the burger. God damn I want four of those.
Nice Looking Luther Burger right there.
That is the real deal as there are many knockoffs.
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I have seen Deicide`s pictures and I hope he does not take this as an insult....
If he were to be totally ripped, he would most likely fall somewhere in the 110-125 lb range. This could in fact be why his caloric intake may need to be lower.
With that said, I would have to analyze how and what he has been eating to set him on the correct path. This may even render what I typed in red above, meaningless based on more info that he can provide.
whoaaaa :o
then I take that back, don't eat MORE deicide, I thought he was a normal 170-180ish pounder
you probably DO need to eat 1200 calories to lose weight :-\
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I have seen Deicide`s pictures and I hope he does not take this as an insult....
If he were to be totally ripped, he would most likely fall somewhere in the 110-125 lb range. This could in fact be why his caloric intake may need to be lower.
With that said, I would have to analyze how and what he has been eating to set him on the correct path. This may even render what I typed in red above, meaningless based on more info that he can provide.
My body is bad but I wouldn't say I would be at 120lbs to be ripped..even that is a bit low. Maybe 145lbs but not 125...that's crazy...
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whoaaaa :o
then I take that back, don't eat MORE deicide, I thought he was a normal 170-180ish pounder
you probably DO need to eat 1200 calories to lose weight :-\
I am bad but not that bad. He is exaggerating.
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whoaaaa :o
then I take that back, don't eat MORE deicide, I thought he was a normal 170-180ish pounder
you probably DO need to eat 1200 calories to lose weight :-\
listen ASJerotic u gotta take in that protien bud i always looked better with around 200 grams of protien
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/IMG_3416fddd.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/IMG_3378.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/180_050.jpg)
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My body is bad but I wouldn't say I would be at 120lbs to be ripped..even that is a bit low. Maybe 145lbs but not 125...that's crazy...
in my own personal experience
people are A LOT fatter than they realize
there is fat stored EVERYWHERE, arms, BACK, legs, stomach, lower back, love handles, ass,
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My body is bad but I wouldn't say I would be at 120lbs to be ripped..even that is a bit low. Maybe 145lbs but not 125...that's crazy...
I agree, a ripped 150lbs would be achievable, maybe more. You have great leg mass.
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listen ASJerotic u gotta take in that protien bud i always looked better with around 200 grams of protien
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/IMG_3416fddd.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/IMG_3378.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/180_050.jpg)
WTF DW. I have never gotten a LOL at hot porn before but that caught me by surprise. Porn meaning her, not you.
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in my own personal experience
people are A LOT fatter than they realize
there is fat stored EVERYWHERE, arms, BACK, legs, stomach, lower back, love handles, ass,
I know that I am very fat but right now I am 85kg. I think after dropping 15kg fat I would be pretty ripped. That makes 70kg. That's not 125lbs. Like I said, I am fat and my body is bad but this 120lbs thing is exaggerated. Ask anyone on the boards how criticial I am of my own body....probably the most on the entire board.
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I agree, a ripped 150lbs would be achievable, maybe more. You have great leg mass.
can you post a picture? deicide?
I'll judge how much you'll weigh ;D
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can you post a picture? deicide?
I'll judge how much you'll weigh ;D
I don't have anything now (I lost my digi :-\) but these are about 2 months old. I have dropped about 3kg since then.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238267.0
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I don't have anything now (I lost my digi :-\) but these are about 2 months old. I have dropped about 3kg since then.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238267.0
you look phenominal just need higher protien intake bro and do atleast 10 sets of 8-10 reps per day to build up a bit
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I don't have anything now (I lost my digi :-\) but these are about 2 months old. I have dropped about 3kg since then.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238267.0
hard to tell from those pics, but you'll be 130 ripped, looks to me :-\
look on the bright side, it's better to weigh less and be ripped than weigh more and be fat ;)
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hard to tell from those pics, but you'll be 130 ripped, looks to me :-\
look on the bright side, it's better to weigh less and be ripped than weigh more and be fat ;)
I am 187 now. You are telling me I have to drop 57lbs! to be ripped? Sorry, like I said, I am very critical but that is just exaggerated.
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I am 187 now. You are telling me I have to drop 57lbs! to be ripped? Sorry, like I said, I am very critical but that is just exaggerated.
187 lb at 28% bodyfat = 135 lb lean bodyweight
now, your LBW, fatfree mass will be LOWER when you do get cut, due to water loss that comes with fatloss
and you'll probably lose SOME muscle mass, everybody does
........do I make sense? somewhere in 130-140 at 4-5% bodyfat
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187 lb at 27% bodyfat = 137 lb lean bodyweight
now, your LBW, fatfree mass will be LOWER when you do get cut, due to water loss that comes with fatloss
and you'll probably lose SOME muscle mass, everybody does
........do I make sense? somewhere in 130-140 ish at 4-5% bodyfat
Ah...that cut...no...I want to get to 10%, maybe 8%...nothing lower. I don't think I am at 27%, maybe 20%.
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Ah...that cut...no...I want to get to 10%, maybe 8%...nothing lower. I don't think I am at 27%, maybe 20%.
this is 20% bodyfat ;D
(http://www.naturalphysiques.com/gallery/jeremytransform/bulkingmar2001)
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he claims to be at 7% but barely has abs ???
(http://www.naturalphysiques.com/gallery/jeremytransform/aug122003)
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where is this guy getting his bodyfat measured?
there is no way this is 14%
(http://www.naturalphysiques.com/gallery/RoadToSD/jeremy20040329)
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this is 20% bodyfat ;D
(http://www.naturalphysiques.com/gallery/jeremytransform/bulkingmar2001)
That's about how I look in terms of fat I think.
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ROFLMAO!
I sure didn't look like this when I was 16%
did anybody else
(http://www.naturalphysiques.com/gallery/jeremytransform/may172003)
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That's about how I look in terms of fat I think.
this guy thinks he is much lower than he actually he, he is proabably at 27-28% right there
maybe Adonis and Wavelenght can weigh in on what his % is
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he claims to be at 7% but barely has abs ???
that's not 7%
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where is this guy getting his bodyfat measured?
there is no way this is 14%
(http://www.naturalphysiques.com/gallery/RoadToSD/jeremy20040329)
He has weird nipples. :-\
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this guy thinks he is much lower than he actually he, he is proabably at 27-28% right there
maybe Adonis and Wavelenght can weigh in on what his % is
In the pics I am maybe 24%...closer to 20 now...but who knows, maybe you are right. I am not disagreeing because I think I am so great, only because I can see myself in the mirror and I don't look 27%...between 20 and 25 maybe...
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that's not 7%
LOL
WTF?
and this guy considers himself a "weight loss expert" ::)
Weight: 188 lbs
Bodyfat: 8%
Waist: 32"
(http://www.naturalphysiques.com/gallery/jeremytransform/march302002)
Weight: 178 lbs
Bodyfat: 7%
Waist: 31"
(http://www.naturalphysiques.com/gallery/jeremytransform/aug122003)
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Spill the beans AXA, who is it?
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Spill the beans AXA, who is it?
it's Jeremy Likness, he has his website
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/
writes articles for bodybuilding.com
claims to be a "weight loss expert" cuz he lost some fat ::)
now he offers to train people and be a personal trainer ::)
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this is 20% bodyfat ;D
(http://www.naturalphysiques.com/gallery/jeremytransform/bulkingmar2001)
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it's Jeremy Likness, he has his website
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/
writes articles for bodybuilding.com
claims to be a "weight loss expert" cuz he lost some fat ::)
now he offers to train people and be a personal trainer ::)
Welcome to the world of personal trainers.
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In the pics I am maybe 24%...closer to 20 now...but who knows, maybe you are right. I am not disagreeing because I think I am so great, only because I can see myself in the mirror and I don't look 27%...between 20 and 25 maybe...
You won`t really know until you get down a bit lower. Think of it like this. Whateva is 5`9 or 5`10 at 158 lbs and ripped and one of the greatest PRO NATURAL BODYBUILDERS out there. He looks amazing.
That should give you some perspective.
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Welcome to the world of personal trainers.
And we have Curt at about 185 lbs and also one of the Greatest Natural PRO Bodybuilders.
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Welcome to the world of personal trainers.
dude went from 8% to 7% and lost 10 pounds hahahahaha
somebody should tell him that at his 7%, he is not even at 10% ::)
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it's Jeremy Likness, he has his website
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/
writes articles for bodybuilding.com
claims to be a "weight loss expert" cuz he lost some fat ::)
now he offers to train people and be a personal trainer ::)
Just....no.
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You won`t really know until you get down a bit lower. Think of it like this. Whateva is 5`9 or 5`10 at 158 lbs and ripped and one of the greatest PRO NATURAL BODYBUILDERS out there. He looks amazing.
That should give you some perspective.
Well who knows...I don't want to get lower than 8%...but maybe you are right...just have to keep it going when I can.
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And we have Curt at about 185 lbs and also one of the Greatest Natural PRO Bodybuilders.
I wouldnt say greatest....Whitacre.... .he is.
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doesn't matter anyway, only a number
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Just....no.
common Tommy, I know you like his nipples ;D
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doesn't matter anyway, only a number
Whats only a number?
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common Tommy, I know you like his nipples ;D
I didn't see any was the weird part.
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Whats only a number?
Weight. What matters is what you look like. I think many people never make it to single digit BF because they get scared as soon as their weight goes down under the number they had in their head. Usually the end result is lower if you have never done it.
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What credentials does Adonis have which merit him being able to give Nutrition advice?
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I didn't see any was the weird part.
His nipples are really weird.
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Weight. What matters is what you look like. I think many people never make it to single digit BF because they get scared as soon as their weight goes down under the number they had in their head. Usually the end result is lower if you have never done it.
Yep this is what happened to Matt C. People get spooked by the scale and convince themselves that they are loosing muscle. A big part of this problem is that if you are at 20-25% BF you have to lose a lot of fat before definition really gets better, so weight goes down and definition doesn't improve so people make a leap of logic and conclude that they are losing muscle.
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Yep this is what happened to Matt C. People get spooked by the scale and convince themselves that they are loosing muscle. A big part of this problem is that if you are at 20-25% BF you have to lose a lot of fat before definition really gets better, so weight goes down and definition doesn't improve so people make a leap of logic and conclude that they are losing muscle.
Matt C
haha
he saw a little weight loss, mostly water and thought he was losing muscle
and like 2 days after he gained it all back (as he told us ::) )
what a joke ;D
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Matt C
haha
he saw a little weight loss, mostly water and thought he was losing muscle
and like 2 days after he gained it all back (as he told us ::) )
what a joke ;D
Whatever happened to that guy...?
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Yep this is what happened to Matt C. People get spooked by the scale and convince themselves that they are loosing muscle. A big part of this problem is that if you are at 20-25% BF you have to lose a lot of fat before definition really gets better, so weight goes down and definition doesn't improve so people make a leap of logic and conclude that they are losing muscle.
Very True
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Weight. What matters is what you look like. I think many people never make it to single digit BF because they get scared as soon as their weight goes down under the number they had in their head. Usually the end result is lower if you have never done it.
I haven't stepped on a scale in a loooooonnng time. Damn thing will mess with your head in a bad way.
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Dear AXA,
Start doing the following:
Eat 4000 calories of clean food.
Do decent basic exercises, no gayass quarter rom smith squats or your quads will look like those of adonis.
Deadlifts, goodmornings, fullsquats, legpresses, (db) benches, rows, chins etc.
You need to put some meat on your frame, instead of trying to lose fat on adams 90grams of protein a day BS.
Good food + basic exercises = results, it has always been this way and always will be.
Good luck
Perfect advice.
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I would also keep protein .5 to about 1 gram per lb of bodyweight with a tilt to the higher end of that margin. You can also go over that threshold, it does not matter. Just don`t exceed the caloric amount.
Abeles!
I see we're all of a sudden in the business of recommending high protein diets?
If the kid weighs 170 lbs, he would be getting more than 30% of his daily calories from protein.
Or, perhaps you're just being sarcastic, setting him up for a prank?
Abeles, perhaps you could hook up with Dante DOGGCRAPP. He believes in ultra high protein diets (the next step for you bro?) and also sells protein to his disciples at a discount.
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People put way too much thought into eating. Measuring food weights, counting calories etc. Just eat a ton of protein and work out hard it isn't rocket science. ::)
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What credentials does Adonis have which merit him being able to give Nutrition advice?
Masters degree from GU.
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AXA, can you please list what you eat when you consume 15,000 calories a day?
cock, lots of cock :-X
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Cardio is useless for Naturals. Only burns tons of muscles.
really ::)
Influence of exercise duration on post-exercise steroid hormone responses in trained males.
Tremblay MS, et al. Influence of exercise duration on post-exercise steroid hormone responses in trained males. Eur J Appl Physiology, Aug, 2005; 94 (5-6): 505-513.
Statistics Canada Tunney's Pasture, Main Building Room 2200, Section S, Ottawa, ON, K1A0T6, Canada. mark.tremblay@statcan.ca
The purpose of this study was to systematically evaluate the effect of endurance exercise duration on hormone concentrations in male subjects while controlling for exercise intensity and training status. Eight endurance-trained males (19-49 years) completed a resting control session and three treadmill runs of 40, 80, and 120 min at 55% of VO2max . Blood samples were drawn before the session and then 1, 2, 3 and 4 h after the start of the run. Plasma was analyzed for luteinizing hormone (LH), dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS), cortisol, and free and total testosterone. LH was significantly greater at rest compared to the running sessions. Both free and total testosterone generally increased in the first hour of the 80 and 120 min runs and then showed a trend for a steady decline for the next 3 h of recovery. Dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate increased in a dose-response manner with the greatest increases observed during the 120-min run, followed by the 80-min run. Cortisol only increased in response to the 120-min run and showed a decline across time in all other sessions. The ratios of anabolic hormones (testosterone and DHEAS) to cortisol were greater during the resting session and the 40-min run compared to the longer runs. The results indicate that exercise duration has independent effects on the hormonal response to endurance exercise. At a low intensity, longer duration runs are necessary to stimulate increased levels of testosterone, DHEAS and cortisol and beyond 80 min of running there is a shift to a more catabolic hormonal environment.
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What credentials does Adonis have which merit him being able to give Nutrition advice?
He posts on Getbig and he is the skinny model boy on Wikipedia. Thats it.