Trying the calorie is a calorie, Adonis like approach

[Condor]

I had decent success using a form of TA's principles.

I severely cut my calories and paid virtually no attention to protein, and saw much better results than when I tried low-carb.

I ate whatever I wanted, staying below a caloric limit for the day, and it worked.

[Deicide]

I'd die LOL

I am going to try it over the weekend...I am getting desperate...maybe just for 2 days...

[Ursus]

If you wanna lose weight seriously low GI is as good as any

[ASJChaotic]

I am going to try it over the weekend...I am getting desperate...maybe just for 2 days...

I wonder, would something like 500 work? LOL
you could get like 80 grams of protein and some carbs 

[ASJChaotic]

I had decent success using a form of TA's principles.

I severely cut my calories and paid virtually no attention to protein, and saw much better results than when I tried low-carb.

I ate whatever I wanted, staying below a caloric limit for the day, and it worked.

how many cals were you eating? 

[chester_bbb]

I'd die LOL

Then you should definately try it.

[Condor]

how many cals were you eating? 

I went from probably around 2300-2500 cals to no more than 1500/day.

I thought I would see significant muscle loss but I didn't.

[Deicide]

I wonder, would something like 500 work? LOL
you could get like 80 grams of protein and some carbs 

For 1200 cal.

200 grams protein (800 cal.)
30 grams carbs (120 cal., mostly hidden)
30 grams fat (270 cal. mostly fish oil/flax, nuts and olive oil)

ca. 1200 cal...

[The True Adonis]

how many cals were you eating? 

AXA,

Timberwolf here would average about 2000-2200 calories for years on end.
Here are some pictures of him.  This should give everyone some perspective.  I have all of his logs from that time period as well.

[The True Adonis]

For 1200 cal.

200 grams protein (800 cal.)
30 grams carbs (120 cal., mostly hidden)
30 grams fat (270 cal. mostly fish oil/flax, nuts and olive oil)

ca. 1200 cal...

Bad Idea.

[The Coach]

Bad Idea.

Why? besides his calories are too low. (gotta hear this)

[Deicide]

Bad Idea.

Why?

[spinnis]

AXA,

Timberwolf here would average about 2000-2200 calories for years on end.
Here are some pictures of him.  This should give everyone some perspective.  I have all of his logs from that time period as well.

probably natural huh?

[Marty Champions]

you need more protien stud

beans and milk

[The Coach]

you need more protien stud

beans and milk

 

[ironneck]

why are you guys acting like it's something new?
of course it doesn't matter what you eat, the kcal intake is important but the problem is you don't feel sated if you eat only 1 bigmc for example...you could eat like 600gr chickenbreast which would make you feel much more sated

[Condor]

My plan was new because I took the advice of a former Mr. Minnesota competitor and basically ignored my protein intake and focused ONLY on calories.  It worked great.

[The True Adonis]

The brain needs at least 50-100 grams of carbohydrates to function properly and with the protein as high as it is, this will also cause quite a deficiency by default for other vitamins and nutrients.

2000 calories with protein leveled out at 1 gr per lb of bodyweight or so will inevitably keep this from happening, especially "eating what he wants" given the free range and variance of foods he would be presumably eating.  

[The Coach]

why are you guys acting like it's something new?
of course it doesn't matter what you eat, the kcal intake is important but the problem is you don't feel sated if you eat only 1 bigmc for example...you could eat like 600gr chickenbreast which would make you feel much more sated

The problem is, it's nothing new. It's a calorie controlled diet, nothing more, nothing less. But not designed for competitive bodybuilders like Adam is trying to present.

[The True Adonis]

why are you guys acting like it's something new?
of course it doesn't matter what you eat, the kcal intake is important but the problem is you don't feel sated if you eat only 1 bigmc for example...you could eat like 600gr chickenbreast which would make you feel much more sated

Simply not true for everyone. With that said,  Also, the fat and carbohydrate content in a Big Mac will certainly provide more satiety then just a suppliance of one Macronutrient ie 600 gr. of Chicken Breast.

The 600 gr of chicken breast is more calories than a Big Mac by the way.

[Deicide]

Temporary drastic calorie reductions can work wonders...

[The True Adonis]

The problem is, it's nothing new. It's a calorie controlled diet, nothing more, nothing less. But not designed for competitive bodybuilders like Adam is trying to present.

Mr. Minnesota seems to connotate a successful bodybuilder. I do not know what Mr. Minnesota recommended, but I do know Condor just posted this:

Condor
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    Re: Trying the calorie is a calorie, Adonis like approach
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My plan was new because I took the advice of a former Mr. Minnesota competitor and basically ignored my protein intake and focused ONLY on calories.  It worked great.  
 

[The Coach]

The brain needs at least 50-100 grams of carbohydrates to function properly and with the protein as high as it is, this will also cause quite a deficiency by default for other vitamins and nutrients.

2000 calories with protein leveled out at 1 gr per lb of bodyweight or so will inevitably keep this from happening, especially "eating what he wants" given the free range and variance of foods he would be presumably eating.  

Putting processed shit into your body is never a good thing. Period.

[The True Adonis]

Putting processed shit into your body is never a good thing. Period.

One must define the term, "processed".


All foods are processed in some way.  Your chicken breasts are processed in a Poultry plant. So by your rationale, Chicken Breasts should not be eaten.

[Deicide]

Putting processed shit into your body is never a good thing. Period.

So do you agree with Adonis Principles?