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How do we turn the sport all of us athletes love from a niche sport into one more mainstream?
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Get rid of all the naked dudes.
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get rid of thongs, steroid abuse, don't let bodybuilders do interviews.
But then, it wouldn't be bodybuilding anymore.
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Why would anybody want to? Name one hobby/activity/sport that was improved when it became "mainstream?"
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Why would anybody want to? Name one hobby/activity/sport that was improved when it became "mainstream?"
Polo.
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Polo.
Water or horse?
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Water or horse?
horse.
Since it become mainstream, all of my friends own horses so we can meet afterworks on the new polo ground in the city for a quic match.
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btw, canoe polo kicks ass. great sport!
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immediately getting rid of the thongs.
i have thought about this very question many times.
i feel some sort of reality tv show like featuring young up and coming bodybuilders would propel bodybuilding back into the mainstream.
the ifbb/weider would have to fund the show, as no tv exec would touch this with a barge pole. although the millions they make each year should cover a low budget show.
think ice road trukers style, a low budget, character driven show with the personalities driving the interest rather than training, diet. as joe public isn't really interested in this stuff as intimately as we are.
this would get them more interested in the training and diet, and subtle aspects of bodybuilding as they watch fat guys/girls go from fat to buff over 12-16 weeks.
although different training styles, diet styles, lifestyles should be part of the character choices, to show the different challenges each bodybuilder faces.
you have to remember, the golden years of bodybuilding was never about joe public admiring the great bodies ( that was only a small part) it was thanks to arnold's personality and charisma and pumping iron movie.
you may not get another arnold, but you will get a host of different characters/personalities like they have in big brother, where each person will appeal to certain demographics.
throw in the odd delusional like goodrum/AXA and you have a winning show, and a new interest in bodybuilding is born
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horse.
Since it become mainstream, all of my friends own horses so we can meet afterworks on the new polo ground in the city for a quic match.
DK, I don't know if I would consider polo "mainstream" Not exactly receiving media coverage on a national level and the average person could only tell you the minimum about it.
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DK, I don't know if I would consider polo "mainstream" Not exactly receiving media coverage on a national level and the average person could only tell you the minimum about it.
Oh really??
Hmm, i thought Polo was mainstream. :-\ :-\
Well, how about Cricket? Cricket is pretty mainstream.
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Who wins a bodybuilding contest?? "the one that uses more drugs"
thats Mainstream perception....
How do you change that?
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Why would anybody want to? Name one hobby/activity/sport that was improved when it became "mainstream?"
Tennis.
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Tennis.
Table or traditional?
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aquajogging
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Tennis.
Well, lets keep it in perspective. Let's say within the last 100 years. Or we could make the argument for the olympics, etc...
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I think a big brother style program would be great, you could have Vince Goodrum and a few other people living in a house with their every move documented and at the end they would compete against eachother.
yip.
obviously i wouldn't touch the subject of steroids either.
if the athletes take supplements like muscletech etc while going through this tansformation you have an advertisers dream come true - our products can make you lose all this fat and grow all this muscle etc.
you could even have it like ultimate fighter, where a specific guru i.e. milos, chad, palumbo, disgusted, mcneal etc each work with a specific athlete to see who has the best methods. milos is also quite charismatic, chick always comes across well, as does shawn ray, kamali. plus there is some rivalry there too, that would make for interesting viewing. ;)
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I think a big brother style program would be great, you could have Vince Goodrum and a few other people living in a house with their every move documented and at the end they would compete against eachother.
I think Vince is already involved with The Biggest Loser...
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you could also have past bodybuilders training and dieting a young up and comer, like ronnie vs dorian, nasser vs milos :o
that would be great, ronnie and dorian are certainly interesting characters.
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The sport would benefit from more exposure im a lot of ways:
Athletes would be paid more and would be able to focus more of their time on training.
The physiques would improve, as people with great genetics find bodybuilding a lucrative sport to spend their time on they would be less likely to pursue other sports like football.
More income into the industry would mean that companies had higher revenues thus meaning their R+D would logically have more money. This would lead to better existing products and more research would likely lead to new products coming to fruition.
I don't think so. You would end up with fitness model builds because that's what the mainstream prefers. The supplement industry isn't exactly hurting right now.
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my plan would be as such...
1. create a more interesting stage entrance...sort of like mma and ucf
2. have athletes create strongers characters...add a little bit of wwe
3. posing routines be judgeded more and have a higher prize money
4. only show arnold classics or olympia
5. be able to wear their sponsor in the trunks
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my plan would be as such...
1. create a more interesting stage entrance...sort of like mma and ucf
2. have athletes create strongers characters...add a little bit of wwe
3. posing routines be judgeded more and have a higher prize money
4. only show arnold classics or olympia
5. be able to wear their sponsor in the trunks
1.yes
2.yes
3.yes, and ban the gay girating of ass cheeks etc - bodybuilding has a negative mainstream image enough, to add homosexuality overtones as well is very bad.
4. ??? i don't understand, can you explain?
5.no, it could be a distraction from the physiques, although i would not be opposed to robes etc having sponsors, on the way to the stage (like the wwe enterance theme you spoke of)
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All these ideas make BB even gayer as it already is...
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more drugs, synthol and g4p
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How do we turn the sport all of us athletes love from a niche sport into one more mainstream?
It will never happen, Sorry but it's true. I never thought bodybuilding should be an Olympic sport. I did hope it would be on ESPN like back in the day. ESPN cut it out a while back, I guess since all the Steroid issues in the Mainstream media. Hollywood should however use Bodybuilders in more movies though.
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It will never happen, Sorry but it's true. I never thought bodybuilding should be an Olympic sport. I did hope it would be on ESPN like back in the day. ESPN cut it out a while back, I guess since all the Steroid issues in the Mainstream media. Hollywood should however use Bodybuilders in more movies though.
lol, how can BB be an olympic sport, it's just a beauty pageant.
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my plan would be as such...
1. create a more interesting stage entrance...sort of like mma and ucf
2. have athletes create strongers characters...add a little bit of wwe
3. posing routines be judgeded more and have a higher prize money
4. only show arnold classics or olympia
5. be able to wear their sponsor in the trunks
where do you leave Steroids ?
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A male beauty pageant will never be mainstream, but getting rid of thongs and going back to shorts would help.
This may sound counterintuitive coming from me (and I know many of my gay friends would disagree) but I think there is a time and place for everything. I’d love to see a muscled man in a thong in my back yard, at the beach, or in my bedroom, but a thong does not belong on the contest stage at what is supposed to be an athletic event. >:(
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go back to the 70's where bodybuilders used to look good >:(
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A male beauty pageant will never be mainstream, but getting rid of thongs and going back to shorts would help.
This may sound counterintuitive coming from me (and I know many of my gay friends would disagree) but I think there is a time and place for everything. I’d love to see a muscled man in a thong in my back yard, at the beach, or in my bedroom, but a thong does not belong on the contest stage at what is supposed to be an athletic event. >:(
What is worse is that pro BB is not even consider male "Beauty" pageant...and " ugly" dont sell, plus mainstream say is gross.
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A male beauty pageant will never be mainstream, but getting rid of thongs and going back to shorts would help.
This may sound counterintuitive coming from me (and I know many of my gay friends would disagree) but I think there is a time and place for everything. I’d love to see a muscled man in a thong in my back yard, at the beach, or in my bedroom, but a thong does not belong on the contest stage at what is supposed to be an athletic event. >:(
so you're gay? ??? :-X
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1.yes
2.yes
3.yes, and ban the gay girating of ass cheeks etc - bodybuilding has a negative mainstream image enough, to add homosexuality overtones as well is very bad.
4. ??? i don't understand, can you explain?
5.no, it could be a distraction from the physiques, although i would not be opposed to robes etc having sponsors, on the way to the stage (like the wwe enterance theme you spoke of)
4. Only show the arnold classic and the olympia....DO NOT SHOW 2ND tier shows...i remember watching alot of bodybuilding on espn bak in da day and i soley remember that 1 of the reasons i would change the channel was that i saw bunch of bad bodybuidlers...like ugly looking mofos flexing ..looking like the aliens on independence day....keep only the top talent televised...this will actually create a trickle down effect and create more competition now not only to win, but to win a chance to be on tv...
5. i dont think it will.....look at nascar, powerlifting, ect...all their sponsors on their clothes...what it will create is a marketing and advertising catapult...since all the attention is put on the athlete, this creates an opportunity for marketers and their companies......more athletes will get paid, more sponsors will come in, ..shit u might have someone pay u a mill just to wear their company at the day of the olympia....this and tv is the only way to go...
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Will never EVER happen regardless. End of thread.
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so you're gay? ??? :-X
ahahaahahahaha, you know nothing.
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where do you leave Steroids ?
if the show in entrataining, it will leave their mind off steorids
this is what i mean
UCF...known for blood and guts..and alot of roids.what the company has done to keep people and the media attention off that
added ring girls, added better entrances, made the athletes house hold names, help the commonuty (when was the last time u saw a bodybuilder offer their HGH money to starving chilndren..never)
Powerlifting...u cant possibly do any of that stuff without madd dbol, sus, and deca
added annoucing, ect
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Pumping Iron, but a weekly show. Or something along the lines of the show "The Contender" but for bodybuilding..I think that would be cool!
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Pumping Iron, but a weekly show. Or something along the lines of the show "The Contender" but for bodybuilding..I think that would be cool!
Pumping Iron was the worst advertisement for bodybuilding ever. Why it's so celebrated is baffling.
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Pumping Iron, but a weekly show. Or something along the lines of the show "The Contender" but for bodybuilding..I think that would be cool!
yea thats a good idea...but only show top talent...this will create a trickle down effect of more competition....
I think muscle tech should be the first 1 to do something big....Muscletech by far has the most sophisticated marketing system by far...they are an extremly good company and know how to sell themselves..
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lol, how can BB be an olympic sport, it's just a beauty pageant.
I remember back in the day, Ben Weider wanted the IOC to recognize Bodybuilding as an Olympic sport. Never came to fruition...
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I remember back in the day, Ben Weider wanted the IOC to recognize Bodybuilding as an Olympic sport. Never came to fruition...
lol, that's like Heffner making playboy bunnies olympic.
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add a talent portion. Jay Cutler juggling or Branch Warren playing the saxaphone=ratings.
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add a talent portion. Jay Cutler juggling or Branch Warren playing the saxaphone=ratings.
Classic!
And Johnny Jackson doing the moon walk across the stage. Pop-n-locking too. haha..
And Kamali in the back as the oil up girl.
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very simple. just give the next olympia title to a tall white athletic healthy looking guy.
jay has to bloathed almost going to die look and dexter may look good but hes a little tit.
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It's real simple boys...bodybuilding will NEVER appeal to the mainstream, because it's NOT mainstream.
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then why it was popular in arnolds time? id imagine it was because he was tall charismatic and white and still looked like a human despite the shitload of muscles?
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then why it was popular in arnolds time? id imagine it was because he was tall charismatic and white and still looked like a human despite the shitload of muscles?
It wasn't...
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It's real simple boys...bodybuilding will NEVER appeal to the mainstream, because it's NOT mainstream.
with all due respect chick, if you feel like that you should not be the athletes rep, nor the spokesperson for bb.com, or the mc at the olympia.
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Less thongs on dudes, more thongs on females. It's that simple.
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It's real simple boys...bodybuilding will NEVER appeal to the mainstream, because it's NOT mainstream.
kind of like an underground movement...
first rule of bodybuilding.... you don't talk about bodybuilding. Tyler Durden Coleman.
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with all due respect chick, if you feel like that you should not be the athletes rep, nor the spokesperson for bb.com, or the mc at the olympia.
It's called being realistic, and not making it into something it's not...
My efforts have been to make it more appealing to those IN our industry...not to try and force it down people's throats that have no interest anyway...
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Less thogns on dudes, more thongs on men. It's that simple.
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It's called being realistic, and not making it into something it's not...
My efforts have been to make it more appealing to those IN our industry...not to try and force it down people's throats that have no interest anyway...
Well Chick,
Here is the deal. Bodybuilding only appeals to the ones that are in the sport. People out of the sport just look at bodybuilders as meat heads that have no other ambition in life. They can't believe someone would do that to their body's, just like women that get too much plastic surgery. I remember watching VH1 about 2 years ago, there was a program about video's on the internet. One such video was of your buddy Kamali Pop a lockin in stage. The host called him a greased up monkey. I hate to say it, but people outside of the bodybuilding community has those types of sentiments but I am sure you already knew this. I say to those that think Bodybuilding is stupid, if you don't like it don't look but don't criticize. You know....
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It's called being realistic, and not making it into something it's not...
My efforts have been to make it more appealing to those IN our industry...not to try and force it down people's throats that have no interest anyway...
bodybuilding has effected every sport in the world chick, with its cutting edge nutrition, strength (early days when the 2 were more linked), and hypertrophy techniques.
it has the appeal, even to mainstream public.
joe and jane public are mostly obese, bodybuilding can lead the way in a new health and fitness revolution now more than ever ( like it has in the past) if marketed correctly.
to me bodybuilding is about perfect physiques, joe and jane public looks at bodybuilders and fitness girls with envy and awe. i think what puts them off is this genetics myth, the thought that they can and will never look like the beautiful people no matter what they do.
if we can change that perception, then the appeal of bodybuilding can and will change. 8)
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bodybuilding has effected every sport in the world chick, with its cutting edge nutrition, strength (early days when the 2 were more linked), and hypertrophy techniques.
it has the appeal, even to mainstream public.
joe and jane public are mostly obese, bodybuilding can lead the way in a new health and fitness revolution now more than ever ( like it has in the past) if marketed correctly.
to me bodybuilding is about perfect physiques, joe and jane public looks at bodybuilders and fitness girls with envy and awe. i think what puts them off is this genetics myth, the thought that they can and will never look like the beautiful people no matter what they do.
if we can change that perception, then the appeal of bodybuilding can and will change. 8)
Nope... Joe and Jane could care less about bodybuilding.
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How do we turn the sport all of us athletes love from a niche sport into one more mainstream?
1. Enforce the rules
2. Fine, suspend or ban anyone from competing for a period of time (1-2 years) for not representing the industry (because it's not a sport) in a professional mannor or a positive light (no G4P, felons, etc,etc,etc) and this includes the powers that be.
3. If you want mainstream then follow the models of professional sports leagues. If you want to keep seeing go to shit, keep it the way it is.
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Nope... Joe and Jane could care less about bodybuilding.
wrong, joe and jane public do not want to be fat, they want to be like the dude with the 6 pack and girl with the tight ass.
bodybuilding can show them how.
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Natural (in a gh15 sense of the word) is the future. Meaning: "Clean" fitness bodies that Joe and Jane believe they can get naturally, no obvious steroid abuse. Next thing, these new bodybuilders should show people how to live a healthy lifestyle and they should do other sports for the camera as well to create the image of athletes.
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Well Chick,
Here is the deal. Bodybuilding only appeals to the ones that are in the sport. People out of the sport just look at bodybuilders as meat heads that have no other ambition in life. They can't believe someone would do that to their body's, just like women that get too much plastic surgery. I remember watching VH1 about 2 years ago, there was a program about video's on the internet. One such video was of your buddy Kamali Pop a lockin in stage. The host called him a greased up monkey. I hate to say it, but people outside of the bodybuilding community has those types of sentiments but I am sure you already knew this. I say to those that think Bodybuilding is stupid, if you don't like it don't look but don't criticize. You know....
lol i remember that. It was called "internet worst videos" or something like that right?
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only one talking sence is chick,,,,,,,,,,,, no one will ever care about bodybuilding other than bodybuilders!
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flying is only for the birds - then came the wright brothers.
men will never walk on the moon - then came nasa and neil armstrong.
bodybuilders will never be bigger than arnold - then came dorian, ronnie, ruhl, etc
bodybuilding will never be mainstream - then................... ;)
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How do we turn the sport all of us athletes love from a niche sport into one more mainstream?
It will never be MAINSTREAM and why would anyone want it to be MAINSTREAM?
How many times will someone want to look at bodybuilders/bodybuilding? The Miss America pageant is DEAD because of a lack of interest from the public at large because of the bordem of just watching women parade around on teh stage doing essentially nothing. As it stands anything that is not associated with a action or display of talent will cause the public to turn away from it in time. Pro BB would have to be turned into a strongman, wrestling type of event in order to hold a audience. Just watching men in posing trunks on a stage is NOT going to cut it. Speaking of strongman events ..even WSM contests don't draw the kinds of crowds a mainstream sport does, because the population that follows it is relatively small and doesn't warrant investing in the infrastructure to make it MAINSTREAM. Soccer is more popular in the world than baseball or football or basketball, but in america it is second rate at best...therefore not worthy to invest in...too small a viewing audience.
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How can a sport that has a substantial gay audience ever be "mainstream" in America.
Don't be fooled, this country still has strong conservative roots
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How can a sport that has a substantial gay audience ever be "mainstream" in America.
Don't be fooled, this country still has strong conservative roots
it should be bombed back to the stone ages.
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then why it was popular in arnolds time? id imagine it was because he was tall charismatic and white and still looked like a human despite the shitload of muscles?
BB has NEVER been popular and has never had a large viewing audience.... adding the RETARDED, PASTY FACED NAZI LOVING FREAK named arnold did NOTHING for BB. All the BEST BB were and still are BLACK and are the main draw in BB..no one has been more CHARISMATIC and APPEALING than the Black Bodybuilders. So far as looking HUMAN...That REPTILE should have been visiting those 90210 Beverly Hills Plastic Surgeons AS SOON AS HE ARRIVED IN AMERICA....
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BB has NEVER been popular and has never had a large viewing audience.... adding the RETARDED, PASTY FACED NAZI LOVING FREAK named arnold did NOTHING for BB. All the BEST BB were and still are BLACK and are the main draw in BB..no one has been more CHARISMATIC and APPEALING than the Black Bodybuilders. So far as looking HUMAN...That REPTILE should have been visiting those 90210 Beverly Hills Plastic Surgeons AS SOON AS HE ARRIVED IN AMERICA....
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epic arnold induced racist meltdown :o
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it should be bombed back to the stone ages.
only certain parts like Arkansas and Virginia .........all of Florida except Miami
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BB has NEVER been popular and has never had a large viewing audience.... adding the RETARDED, PASTY FACED NAZI LOVING FREAK named arnold did NOTHING for BB. All the BEST BB were and still are BLACK and are the main draw in BB..no one has been more CHARISMATIC and APPEALING than the Black Bodybuilders. So far as looking HUMAN...That REPTILE should have been visiting those 90210 Beverly Hills Plastic Surgeons AS SOON AS HE ARRIVED IN AMERICA....
Hahahahaha!!!!...meltdown!!
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Two words gentlemen....More cowbell !
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How do we turn the sport all of us athletes love from a niche sport into one more mainstream?
Is that what we really want ? I don't.
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chick, i have do disgree with you ideas and reasonin..and question ur ability to represent the athletes...i happen to agree with alot of what you have to say most of the time but not this one..let me see what you think about this.....there are far more bodybuilding enthusiats than ucf fighters, bowling, swimmmers, blah blah blah...EVERYONE works out....Joe weider said it himself once, everyone is a bodybuilder..that alot itself is an opportunity not only to grow but to develop....and especially in America..AMERICA IS FAT...I was watchin a show last night on msnbc on the growth of the UFC..they went from marketing blood and guts, to hardcoreness...althought the gov wanted to ban it, the more the gov wanted to ban it, the more people wanted to watch it....DANA white spends money out if own pocket to send athletes to be seen places, pay charaties, and create an ability to make a bunch of men hug themselves entrataining...its only growing...there is enough marketing involved and good enough athletes out there to make it interesting...posing routines have to be better, more matchups (kamali vv. craig is what origanilly got me into bodybuilding)...ect...if shows like THE HILLS, REDNECK OLYMPICS, SEARCH FOR HELEN HUNT OR SUM BULL SHIT, ALL THE OTHER CRAP FOCUSED OF THE LIBERAL AREA OF THE COUNTRY..why cant bodybuilding
agree wit anything
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If you can turn homosexual prostitution mainstream then bodybuilding will surely follow.
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I think moving away from awarding pure mass over aesthetics is a big step in helping bodybuilding to become more mainstream. Although that alone won't do the trick I think it definitely helps. There is a better chance of the mainstream individual admiring and following those type of athletes than the pure mass monsters. The thing that I feel will do the most for our sport is to have new dynamic personalities like that of Arnold. Individuals with the type of charisma, self confidence and style of Arnold will go a long way in moving our sport towards the mainstream. When that will happen? Your guess is as good as mine.
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No normal person is going to come one one hundered miles of Pro Bodybuilding - the public perception is just a bunch of freaks injecting a shit load of drugs - The average person does not want to be 250lb, veins sticking out everywhere - Just us freaks on here! Always will be a minority sport, and the sooner pro bb understands this the better for us all.
And that is the truth, Amen.
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Hahahahaha!!!!...meltdown!!
NO MELTDOWN...I AM JUST THROWING THE FACTS DOWN....
Like all other sports if the Blacks were not a part of it the sport would have long died. Basketball, Baseball, Football, Track and Field, now Tennis, Golf(boring ass shit), Bodybuilding(even though it is a much smaller sport) etc etc all became MONSTER SPORTS ONCE BLACKS BECAME INVOLVED...Don't hate MF just RECOGNIZE.....
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NO MELTDOWN...I AM JUST THROWING THE FACTS DOWN....
Like all other sports if the Blacks were not a part of it the sport would have long died. Basketball, Baseball, Football, Track and Field, now Tennis, Golf(boring ass shit), Bodybuilding(even though it is a much smaller sport) etc etc all became MONSTER SPORTS ONCE BLACKS BECAME INVOLVED...Don't hate MF just RECOGNIZE.....
Are you colored?
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NO MELTDOWN...I AM JUST THROWING THE FACTS DOWN....
Like all other sports if the Blacks were not a part of it the sport would have long died. Basketball, Baseball, Football, Track and Field, now Tennis, Golf(boring ass shit), Bodybuilding(even though it is a much smaller sport) etc etc all became MONSTER SPORTS ONCE BLACKS BECAME INVOLVED...Don't hate MF just RECOGNIZE.....
Ha Ha - Chill out a bit bro, we all respect ya on here :D