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I'm sick and tired of the Coleman trolls bringing up the heavier versions of Ronnie as what they believe could take out Dorian at his best. Here is Peter McGough's review of Ronnie at the 2004 Olympia and why he sucks big time at a large bodyweight.
Ronnie Coleman 5'11 296 lbs
"Ronnie was nine pounds bigger than he was last year, and that package swept to a clear victory. However, he wasn't as sharp as last year, particularly in the lower back and, from the sides, his pecs looked flatish"
So Ronnie wasn't as sharp in 2004 as in 2003, and in his review of Ronnie at the 2000 Olympia McGough said Ronnie wasn't as sharp as in the previous year, and that in the previous year he wasn't as sharp as in 98'. Here are Ronnie's bodyweights for the years in question:
1998 249 lbs
1999 257 lbs
2000 264 lbs
2003 287 lbs
2004 296 lbs
So according to McGough: 98'>99'>2000>03>04
In 2005 Ronnie was 275 lbs and his conditioning was superior to both 2003 and 2004. What does all of this tell you guys? That Ronnie's did not gain 47 lbs of lean muscle between the 98' and 04' Olmpias like the scale suggests, but that a significant % of that increased bodyweight was subcutaneous fat and water, and the more his scale weight increased, the more of that weight was fat and water and not muscle.
My point is that it's not fucking fair to compare a ripped-to-the-bone Dorian Yates at 260 lbs and with superb proportions to a bloated cow at 287 lbs with the worst shape a male bodybuilder could possibly have - unmanly huge ass and gut that makes him look obese - and then claim that the size advantage would make Ronnie "destroy" Dorian. Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia did have more muscle than Dorian at 260 lbs, but this increased size came at the expense of sharpness. As I see it, added size as far as bodybuuilding is concerned is only valuable if it comes with equal conditioning. If Ronnie had stepped onstage weighing 27 lbs more than Dorian with equal conditoning and had none of his symmetry issues, then yes, he would undoubtedly destroy Dorian, but alas this is not the case. Dorian could have entered the Olympia much bigger. He sacrificed some muscle to get rid of the very last ounce of fat and water, which Ronnie never cared to do except in 98'.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Peter McGough. Great source.
No but seriously your point is valid. But some of us think Ronnie overall was better. Ronnie in 2005 was 275, Dorian at his last was 270 and not in the same condition as Ronnie was at 275.
Who cares. Do we really need more threads on this?
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Had your feelings hurt lately. ::)
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Dorian at his last was 270 and not in the same condition as Ronnie was at 275.
False. Dorian at 270 lbs had conditioning comparable to Ronnie at the 99' Olympia and maybe as good as Ronnie did in 98'. Yes, dude, Dorian's conditoning is that superior that he is drier&harder while weighting 21 lbs more. Dorian in 97' was shit because of his torn muscles and distended gut and not because he was holding water.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I'm sick and tired of the Coleman trolls bringing up the heavier versions of Ronnie as what they believe could take out Dorian at his best. Here is Peter McGough's review of Ronnie at the 2004 Olympia and why he sucks big time at a large bodyweight.
Ronnie Coleman 5'11 296 lbs
"Ronnie was nine pounds bigger than he was last year, and that package swept to a clear victory. However, he wasn't as sharp as last year, particularly in the lower back and, from the sides, his pecs looked flatish"
So Ronnie wasn't as sharp in 2004 as in 2003, and in his review of Ronnie at the 2000 Olympia McGough said Ronnie wasn't as sharp as in the previous year, and that in the previous year he wasn't as sharp as in 98'. Here are Ronnie's bodyweights for the years in question:
1998 249 lbs
1999 257 lbs
2000 264 lbs
2003 287 lbs
2004 296 lbs
So according to McGough: 98'>99'>2000>03>04
In 2005 Ronnie was 275 lbs and his conditioning was superior to both 2003 and 2004. What does all of this tell you guys? That Ronnie's did not gain 47 lbs of lean muscle between the 98' and 04' Olmpias like the scale suggests, but that a significant % of that increased bodyweight was subcutaneous fat and water, and the more his scale weight increased, the more of that weight was fat and water and not muscle.
My point is that it's not fucking fair to compare a ripped-to-the-bone Dorian Yates at 260 lbs and with superb proportions to a bloated cow at 287 lbs with the worst shape a male bodybuilder could possibly have - unmanly huge ass and gut that makes him look obese - and then claim that the size advantage would make Ronnie "destroy" Dorian. Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia did have more muscle than Dorian at 260 lbs, but this increased size came at the expense of sharpness. As I see it, added size as far as bodybuuilding is concerned is only valuable if it comes with equal conditioning. If Ronnie had stepped onstage weighing 27 lbs more than Dorian with equal conditoning and had none of his symmetry issues, then yes, he would undoubtedly destroy Dorian, but alas this is not the case. Dorian could have entered the Olympia much bigger. He sacrificed some muscle to get rid of the very last ounce of fat and water, which Ronnie never cared to do except in 98'.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Diabetes is a bitch.
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Lights out bitches
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/Kelly0108/Ronnie_Coleman_photo340.jpg)
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I thought the Coleman side was attacking Dorian ::)
so sad that your hero never came even close to beating Ronnie
SUCKMYPENIS
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In 2005 Ronnie was 275 lbs and his conditioning was superior to both 2003 and 2004. What does all of this tell you guys? That Ronnie's did not gain 47 lbs of lean muscle between the 98' and 04' Olmpias like the scale suggests, but that a significant % of that increased bodyweight was subcutaneous fat and water, and the more his scale weight increased, the more of that weight was fat and water and not muscle.
Sorry but that's just complete bullshit and speculation. You've obviously never dieted down for a contest because anyone who has will tell you that the better your condition the more muscle you're going to loose in the process to get there. The fact that his conditioning was better and he was at a higher bodyweight tells me just the opposite, he had more lean mass than the scale suggests because more of it was lost dieting down harder.
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your formula is faulty because he never said 2003 was less sharp than 2000. he compared 2004 to 2003, and 2000 to the years prior.
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Peter McGough. Great source.
lol no shit
these idiots based everything they post on his opinion only, despite most of his assertions to have been thoroughly debunked and proven to be flat out WRONG based on real pics and videos...
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My point is that it's not fucking fair to compare a ripped-to-the-bone Dorian Yates at 260 lbs and with superb proportions to a bloated cow at 287 lbs with the worst shape a male bodybuilder could possibly have
huh?
superb proportions of dorian?
worst shape a male could have on Ronnie?
LOL
Suckmyasshole displaying his stupidity for all of getbig to see:
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huh?
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That definitely is not Coleman's best performance.
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That definitely is not Coleman's best performance.
agreed. but thats not the point.
the point is that dorian certainly did NOT have "superb proortions" and Ronnie certainly did NOT have 'the worst shape a male bodybuilder could hvae" as Suckmyasshole incorrectly (as always) said...
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lol no shit
these idiots based everything they post on his opinion only, despite most of his assertions to have been thoroughly debunked and proven to be flat out WRONG based on real pics and videos...
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My point on Peter McGough is he is pro Dorian.
When Ronnie showed up in 2003 with all 'that extra mass' he questioned what it took to gain that much in a year.
Yet when Dorian did it in 1993 it was because he worked harder.
Both times were because both overdieted in previous shows.
Anyway it's a matter of opinion everyone should just get over it. Personally i think Ronnie just got too big for anyone. His physqiue also flowed better. Both had flaws. I think post 2000 Ronnie and maybe Jay for a while were the only one's who could compare to the ridiculous depth of competition Dorian faced in the 90's.
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Lights out bitches
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/Kelly0108/Ronnie_Coleman_photo340.jpg)
BOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!! 'nufff said.
I'm making grill cheeses with jalapenos. Anyone in?
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:o
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i am a huge Dorian fan, but Ronnie was an absolute freak in 03
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Nutty thread. Coleman looked better at higher bodyweights relative to his height than anyone in history. Not to say that was necessarily his best look all-time but he carried the extra weight far more impressively than anyone else has.
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huh?
superb proportions of dorian?
worst shape a male could have on Ronnie?
LOL
Suckmyasshole displaying his stupidity for all of getbig to see:
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Ronnie looks impressive beyond believe - like him better in his earlier days, but the monster-time was good for some insane shots.
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Lights out bitches
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/Kelly0108/Ronnie_Coleman_photo340.jpg)
No doubt! That will never be duplicated, let alone beat.
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I thought the Coleman side was attacking Dorian.
The Coleman side attacks Dorian all the time. They call him barrel with twigs, post pictures of old people with saggy skin and say this is all Dorian's famous conditioning boils down to, etc.
so sad that your hero never came even close to beating Ronnie
Wrong: Dorian defeated your hero eight times!
SUCKMYPENIS
SUCKMYMYDICK f.a.g.g.o.t!
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Sorry but that's just complete bullshit and speculation. You've obviously never dieted down for a contest because anyone who has will tell you that the better your condition the more muscle you're going to loose in the process to get there. The fact that his conditioning was better and he was at a higher bodyweight tells me just the opposite, he had more lean mass than the scale suggests because more of it was lost dieting down harder.
Your post is largely incoherent and it's hard to make sense out of it. If you're telling me that Ronnie 2005 was harder than Dorian at 270 lbs, then I have already said that is not true. Dorian was as dry as the 97' Olympia as Ronnie was at the 98' Olympia. Dorian sucked in 97' due to torn muscles and a distended gut and not because of shitty conditoning.
And Ronnie lost mass while dieting for contests? Boo fucking hoo, that applies to all bodybuilders. I don't give a shit how much mass Ronnie lost while dieting; all I care about is how he compares to Dorian in terms of mass and conditoning on the day they were onstage. Fact: Ronnie has never been onstage at a higher bodyweight than Dorian with equivalent conditioning, which means that you cannot claim that he had an advantage in lean mass. Every contest where Ronnie is as dry as Dorian he was at a lighter bodyweight, which indicates that Dorian actually carried more lean mass than Ronnie. This is corroborated by Kevin Horton, who said that Dorian's conditioning at 280+ lbs has never been matched, and also by McGough who said that Ronnie at any bodyweight above 245 lbs would look soft next to Dorian at a bodyweight as high as 269 lbs. This would suggest that Ronnie needs to be under 245 lbs to match Dorian's conditioning at 257 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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your formula is faulty because he never said 2003 was less sharp than 2000. he compared 2004 to 2003, and 2000 to the years prior.
It is implied. Why would the pattern be broken? 2000' he was 264 lbs and was less condiioned than 99' when he was 257 lbs, which was less conditoned than 98' when he was 249 lbs. In 2003 he was a massive 23 lbs heavier than in 2000 and you are going to claim that his conditioning was as good or better than 2000? Get real. I have the FLEX issue that covers the 2000 Olympia and Ronnie looks a hell of a lot more conditoned than he did in 2003. The pattern is undeniable: an increase of bodyweight for Ronnie results in a decrease in conditoning.
Bodyweight Conditioning
+ 249 lbs best
++ 257 -
+++264 lbs --
++++ 287 ---
+++++ 296 lbs ----
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Lights out bitches
It is amazing. You post this picture even after I have explained why it is shit and should never be posted again. Look at that huge ass more befitting a woman's. Look at all that fat and water in the back. Huge back, yes, but covered in lard. The onlygood thing about this picture is that it doesen't show Ronnie's horrible calves.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wayne Demilla " I've said to Ronnie , " What you've got to realize is that in 98-99 you were probably in the best proportion you could be for your frame . Those muscles have gotten bigger. Just cos you're bigger , doesn't make you better . "
another reason why Coleman sucks at higher bodyweights
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huh?
superb proportions of dorian?
worst shape a male could have on Ronnie?
LOL
Suckmyasshole displaying his stupidity for all of getbig to see:
Dorian's proportions were as close to perfect as Humanly possible, yes. Ronnie's were shit. Not only that, Dorian had a great strcuture, which is not the case with Ronnie.
You post a pcture of Ronnie standing relaxed from the front and that proves what? Ronnie always looked better than Dorian in the front relaxed beause of his narrow hips. The problem with Ronnie 2003 is that, besides, the front relaxed and the front double biceps, he look like utter shit in all other poses as well as in the other two angles the symmetry round.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You post a pcture of Ronnie standing relaxed from the front and that proves what? Ronnie always looked better than Dorian in the front relaxed beause of his narrow hips
and do you know why moron?
he had better STRUCTURE:
narrow hips, wide shoulders, wide back, flaring quads etc. classical structure.
not a fucking beer keg with twigs for arms: ::)
you are as dense as they come.
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and do you know why moron?
he had better STRUCTURE:
narrow hips, wide shoulders, wide back, flaring quads etc. classical structure.
not a fucking beer keg with twigs for arms: ::)
you are as dense as they come.
Hulkster you keep listing all the things YOU think means a better structure it includes much more than that and your retort is to post a pic of Ronnie 99 and Dorian 1994 lol see desperation
he does have narrow waist & hips no doubts , wide shoulders? you meant to say wide clavicles and his aren't that wide not in the same vain as Wolf who has super wide clavicles and wide shoulders , and flaring quads that sit ontop of God-awful twigs for calves , Ah you forgot the rest of the structure package
torso length , arm length in relation to the torso , muscle balance & proportion , upper & lower body balance , making sure your glutes aren't so overdeveloped and huge that they can be seen from the front
forearms in proportion with your massive bicep/triceps , hamstrings that are in proportion with your overblown quads when viewed in profile
so stop cherry picking the parts YOU like and throwing out the rest he's clearly deficient in that's NOT how contests are judged thanks for giving us a glimpse into your ignorance yet again
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and do you know why moron?
he had better STRUCTURE:
narrow hips, wide shoulders, wide back, flaring quads etc. classical structure.
not a fucking beer keg with twigs for arms:
you are as dense as they come.
Wrong! Ronnie had one structural advantage over Dorian. That does not mean that he has a better overral structure. Ronnie's torso is too short, his legs are too long and his clavicles are not as wide as Dorian's. These are also part of structure, dumbass, and of course you ignore it. Dorian has as close to a perfect structure in the sense that, aside from the relatively wide hips, he has no further structural flaws. Moron. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wrong! Ronnie had one structural advantage over Dorian. That does not mean that he has a better overral structure. Ronnie's torso is too short, his legs are too long and his clavicles are not as wide as Dorian's. These are also part of structure, dumbass, and of course you ignore it. Dorian has as close to a perfect structure in the sense that, aside from the reatively wide hips, he has no further flaws. Moron.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together lol who do you think she was talking about?
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Ronnie's torso is too short, his legs are too long
lol
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you have absolutely no clue how this sport works, do you?
you bitch about how I am cherry picking, and then you come up with this gem of bullshit? ::)
here is a lesson for you ND: what you say I am 'cherry picking' is actually how the rest of the bb community (including the judges) evaluates structure.
and don't think for a minute that a Bev Francis quote (who was fucking Married to a good friend of Yates lol ::)) is going to convince anyone..
it might convince you and your two bitches, but no one else...
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lol
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you have absolutely no clue how this sport works, do you?
you bitch about how I am cherry picking, and then you come up with this gem of bullshit? ::)
here is a lesson for you ND: what you say I am 'cherry picking' is actually how the rest of the bb community (including the judges) evaluates structure.
and don't think for a minute that a Bev Francis quote (who was fucking Married to a good friend of Yates lol ::)) is going to convince anyone..
it might convince you and your two bitches, but no one else...
moron it's part of the criteria NOT all of it , did you miss that part you dummy? it's part so is balance & proportion which Ronnie is clearly deficient on and part of being judge is being OBJECTIVE and just to let you know moron Steve Wineberger judged Dorian once and placed him second ;) confirming both can be objective
and stop trying to speak for everyone it's pathetic you're the only one bitching and complaining
Dorian is an IFBB judge as is Bev Francis both say his balance & proportion are better than Ronnie deal with it cry baby
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I'm sick and tired of the Coleman trolls bringing up the heavier versions of Ronnie as what they believe could take out Dorian at his best. Here is Peter McGough's review of Ronnie at the 2004 Olympia and why he sucks big time at a large bodyweight.
Ronnie Coleman 5'11 296 lbs
"Ronnie was nine pounds bigger than he was last year, and that package swept to a clear victory. However, he wasn't as sharp as last year, particularly in the lower back and, from the sides, his pecs looked flatish"
So Ronnie wasn't as sharp in 2004 as in 2003, and in his review of Ronnie at the 2000 Olympia McGough said Ronnie wasn't as sharp as in the previous year, and that in the previous year he wasn't as sharp as in 98'. Here are Ronnie's bodyweights for the years in question:
1998 249 lbs
1999 257 lbs
2000 264 lbs
2003 287 lbs
2004 296 lbs
So according to McGough: 98'>99'>2000>03>04
In 2005 Ronnie was 275 lbs and his conditioning was superior to both 2003 and 2004. What does all of this tell you guys? That Ronnie's did not gain 47 lbs of lean muscle between the 98' and 04' Olmpias like the scale suggests, but that a significant % of that increased bodyweight was subcutaneous fat and water, and the more his scale weight increased, the more of that weight was fat and water and not muscle.
My point is that it's not fucking fair to compare a ripped-to-the-bone Dorian Yates at 260 lbs and with superb proportions to a bloated cow at 287 lbs with the worst shape a male bodybuilder could possibly have - unmanly huge ass and gut that makes him look obese - and then claim that the size advantage would make Ronnie "destroy" Dorian. Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia did have more muscle than Dorian at 260 lbs, but this increased size came at the expense of sharpness. As I see it, added size as far as bodybuuilding is concerned is only valuable if it comes with equal conditioning. If Ronnie had stepped onstage weighing 27 lbs more than Dorian with equal conditoning and had none of his symmetry issues, then yes, he would undoubtedly destroy Dorian, but alas this is not the case. Dorian could have entered the Olympia much bigger. He sacrificed some muscle to get rid of the very last ounce of fat and water, which Ronnie never cared to do except in 98'.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You are absolutely on point my friend. Coleman is the best proof that the scale doesn't mean shit in BB. Ironically he even looked a lot bigger at a lower bodyweight than when he got heavier. His arms looked a lot bigger when he was lighter, his calves, chest as well. BB is all about illusion.
Just compare for example 1998 at around 250 pds vs. 2004 at 300 pds. Lol pathetic. He didn't get bigger, all he got was heavier on the scale. He got bigger on the ass, waist, hips and stomach department. Everything else shrinked. :D
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ronnie in 2004 was pretty rough.
that said, watch the VIDEO from 2003 (don't just look at the pictures). ronnie looked absurd that year. still, the 1999 O is my pick for his best appearance ever.
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that said, watch the VIDEO from 2003 (don't just look at the pictures). ronnie looked absurd that year. still, the 1999 O is my pick for his best appearance ever.
I used to have a better video of 03 Ronnie than the one on YouTube, but they made me take it down due to copyright reasons. Ronnie looks insane - huge, shredded, and no gut. Here are some screen shots.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman56-1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman62.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman59-1.jpg)
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I use to have a better video of 03 Ronnie than the one on YouTube, but they made me take it down due to copyright reasons. Ronnie looks insane - huge, shredded, and no gut. Here are some screen shots.
Neo why would you type he has no gut? you certainly no that's not true and shredded? for that weight maybe but in the scheme of things not under the normal context
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Neo why would you type he has no gut? you certainly no that's not true and shredded? for that weight maybe but in the scheme of things not under the normal context
wow, you're really f*cking dumb. I said Ronnie has no gut in the video I have. Notice he's wearing red posing trunks in the screen caps? So why do you post pics of Ronnie wearing purple? Think before you post, idiot.
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wow, you're really f*cking dumb. I said Ronnie has no gut in the video I have. Notice he's wearing red posing trunks in the screen caps? So why do you post pics of Ronnie wearing purple? Think before you post, idiot.
hey moron ALL of those pics are from 2003 that's what matters when you post screencaps from 2003 and claim he has NO gut it's easy to correct your ignorance , you make it to simple for me to own you.
2003 he looked pregnant red tights pre-judging purple night show get it dummy? same contest same gut
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hey moron ALL of those pics are from 2003 that's what matters when you post screencaps from 2003 and claim he has NO gut it's easy to correct your ignorance , you make it to simple for me to own you.
2003 he looked pregnant red tights pre-judging purple night show get it dummy? same contest same gut
then following your logic, Dorian had a horrible gut in 93 and 95. It doesn't matter that he held it in during the mandatory poses since, according to you, he still had a gut. ;)
93
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow6.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow5.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow4.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/93%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow3.jpg)
95
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow15.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow13.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow12.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates-FatCow11.jpg)
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then following your logic, Dorian had a horrible gut in 93 and 95. It doesn't matter that he held it in during the mandatory poses since, according to you, he still had a gut. ;)
funny you're calling Dorian a ' fat cow ' and then rave about Ronnie's conditioning in 2003 LMFAO what an idiot you are , soft Ronnie 2003 couldn't touch Dorian's density & dryness at his best never mind 03
Dorian had a gut both years and it was NO WHERE near the abortion known as 2003
and you said he had NO gut in 03 which you were once again soundly proven dead wrong and your response is to deflect to Dorian , typical Neo when owned as usual , red trunks , purple trunks he still looked pregnant and you want to post relaxed pics? lol
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all the last posts have proven is how great Kevin Levrone was ;)
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Lights out bitches
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/Kelly0108/Ronnie_Coleman_photo340.jpg)
how can anyone say that yates had a better physique then ronnie ::) No one comes close!
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how can anyone say that yates had a better physique then ronnie ::) No one comes close!
because ND and his bitches have no fucking clue how physiques are judged or how the sport works.
thats how..
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2003 Ronnie is the best bbing physic in the bbing history.
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because ND and his bitches have no fucking clue how physiques are judged or how the sport works.
thats how..
LMFAO coming from the kid who says Dorian lost in 1993 and Ronnie has better calves than Dorian lol keep typing moron
I know how the game is played I thought you ;)
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2003 Ronnie is the best bbing physic in the bbing history.
It's physique and it's not close to being the best not his not anyone elses
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how can anyone say that yates had a better physique then ronnie. No one comes close!
You people are really fucking dumb. You look at this picture and focus on his size and deem him to be unbeatable. I look at this picture and what I see compared to Dorian? I see a huge unmanly ass, a thick film of water under the skin of his back obscuring definition and giving him a puffy look compared to Dorian's hard and defined back, and I also see his lack of calves. It's pointless arguing with you people. All you care about is size and nothing more. You are the massbuilding fans, and not the bodybuilding fans.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You people are really fucking dumb. You look at this picure and focus on his size and deem him to be unbeatable. I look at this picture and what I see compared to Dorian? I see a huge unmanly ass, a thick film of water under the skin of his back obscuring definition and giving him puffy look compared to Dorian's hard and defined back, and I also see his lack of calves. It's pointless arguing with you people. All you care about is size and nothig more. You are the massbuilding fans, and not the bodybuilding fans.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Ronnie 2003 is the best to ignorant fans , Dorian the best with intelligent knowledgeable fans
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Ronnie 2003 is the best to ignorant fans , Dorian the best with intelligent knowledgeable fans
Yes, my thoughts exactly. Don't get me wrong: I am a mass lover too. I love to see how far bodybuilders can go as far as sheer size, but the key difference is that I don't confuse that for bodybuilding. I am a Greg Kovacs fan because he was just so huge and monstrous in his prime. But do I confuse my love for mass with bodybuilding? No. Greg Kovacs is utter shit from a bodybuilding perpective, and even though I am a fan of his sheer size I am not his fan as far as bodybuilding goes. Ronnie 2003 is very interesting in a freak show kind of way in the sense that he was the first bodybuilder under 6' to come onstage at 280+ lbs with single-digit bodyfat while having a relatively small frame. Nasser and Fux had done it back in the 1990s, but they have vey large frames. So even though I can marvel as a mass fan at the sheer development that Coleman had in 2003 for a man of his height and bone structure, the bodybuilding fan in me cannot ignore the horrific flaws and merely acceptable conditioning that he had.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes, my thoughts exactly. Don't get me wrong: I am a mass lover too. I love to see how far bodybuilders can go as far as sheer size, but the key difference is that I don't confuse that for bodybuilding. I am a Greg Kovacs fan because he was just so huge and monstrous in his prime. But do I confuse my love for mass with bodybuilding? No. Greg Kovacs is utter shit from a bodybuilding perpective, and even though I am a fan of his sheer size I am not his fan as far as bodybuilding goes. Ronnie 2003 is very interesting in a freak show kind of way in the sense that he was the first bodybuilder under 6' to come onstage at 280+ lbs with single-digit bodyfat while having a relatively small frame. Nasser and Fux had done it back in the 1990s, but they have vey large frames. So even though I can marvel as a mass fan at the sheer development that Coleman had in 2003 for a man of his height and bone structure, the bodybuilding fan in me cannot ignore the horrific flaws and merely acceptable conditioning that he had.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Great post ! that's what separates you and I from these dummies , we can separate personal preference from what wins , we'd make good judges , honest , accurate and objective.
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Ronnie '98 was his best physique ever with a combination of mass and conditioning. If it weren't for the gyno it'd be near flawless.
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so, suckmyasshole cant ignore the 'horrific' flaws 2003 Ronnie had, but the horrific flaws dorian had throughout his entire career are fine and dandy.. ::)
ie shitty quads, shitty arms, wide waist, undersized arms, poor detail in the arms and quads esp. in all front shots, just to name a few...
makes no fucking sense..
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so, suckmyasshole cant ignore the 'horrific' flaws 2003 Ronnie had, but the horrific flaws dorian had throughout his entire career are fine and dandy..
ie shitty quads, shitty arms, wide waist, undersized arms, poor detail in the arms and quads esp. in all front shots, just to name a few...
makes no fucking sense..
Besides the torn left biceps and the gut he displayed in 97', Dorian had no real flaws. Shitty quads? Dorian's quads were spectacular in terms of size, separation and hardness. Shitty arms? Dorian's arms were good enough for him to win the side triceps at every contest his entered, even when he was still an amateur. As for poor detail in his arm, Dorian had a hardness that more than made up for it and made Ronnie's arms look soft. Now, as for the wide waist you have a legitimate point, and I have addressed this before. Ronnie does have better taper with a smaller waist and thus wins the front relaxed as well as the front double biceps on account of better taper and biceps. He doesen't win the front lat spread and abs-ad-thighs because Dorian's lats pop out more from the front giving him better taper and in the case of the abs-ad-thighs the superior taper created by the lats is compounded by Dorian's equally superior abs. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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funny you're calling Dorian a ' fat cow ' and then rave about Ronnie's conditioning in 2003 LMFAO what an idiot you are , soft Ronnie 2003 couldn't touch Dorian's density & dryness at his best never mind 03
so you concede that Dorian had a horrible gut in 93 and 95? Gotcha. ;)
and you said he had NO gut in 03 which you were once again soundly proven dead wrong and your response is to deflect to Dorian , typical Neo when owned as usual , red trunks , purple trunks he still looked pregnant and you want to post relaxed pics? lol
yes, Ronnie has no gut in the video I have. You didn't prove anything b/c the pics you posted are when he is relaxed or during transition in his posing routine. Nice try but you lose. ;)
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Loose skin on the lower back and rolls of fat on the neck bitches.
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/Kelly0108/Ronnie_Coleman_photo340.jpg)
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Besides the torn left biceps and the gut he displayed in 97', Dorian had no real flaws. Shitty quads? Dorian's quads were spectacular in terms of size, separation and hardness. Shitty arms? Dorian's arms were good enough for him to win the side triceps at every contest his entered, even when he was still an amateur. As for poor detail in his arm, Dorian had a hardness that more than made up for it and made Ronnie's arms look soft. Now, as for the wide waist you have a legitimate point, and I have addressed this before. Ronnie does have better taper with a smaller waist and thus wins the front relaxed as well as the front double biceps on account of better taper and biceps. He doesen't win the front lat spread and abs-ad-thighs because Dorian's lats pop out more from the front giving him better taper and in the case of the abs-ad-thighs the superior taper created by the lats is compounded by Dorian's equally superior abs.
pics, fagg*t. Post em. ;)
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so you concede that Dorian had a horrible gut in 93 and 95? Gotcha. ;)
yes, Ronnie has no gut in the video I have. You didn't prove anything b/c the pics you posted are when he is relaxed or during transition in his posing routine. Nice try but you lose. ;)
don't presume to speak for me I concede Dorian did have a gut no where near as bad as Ronnie Coleman 2003 the difference between you and I Neo is , I'm not typing he didn't
I watched the entire 2003 Mr Olympia video his gut is clearly visible and you lose once again here he is in a front latspread no transition no excuses massive gut in fact , Jay of all people is the only one who's gut isn't sticking out
you committed to an ignorant statement and were called on it and exposed , it's not the first time nor the last you're prone to such stupidity it stems from ignorance , bias and outright foolishness
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Loose skin on the lower back and rolls of fat on the neck bitches.
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r255/Kelly0108/Ronnie_Coleman_photo340.jpg)
ha ha ha Neo & Hulkster OWNED
no excuses for that do they? ;)
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dude why do you guys care so much
everyday there is a thread about dorian vs ronnie
stupid pricks
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dude why do you guys care so much
everyday there is a thread about dorian vs ronnie
stupid pricks
I don't care hence why I created a truce thread and why I walked away from it , hulkster and his dummy friends care that's why the follow me around trying to get revenge for me kicking their asses
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don't presume to speak for me I concede Dorian did have a gut no where near as bad as Ronnie Coleman 2003 the difference between you and I Neo is , I'm not typing he didn't
ha ha ha, show me where I said Ronnie had no gut in 03. I said he doesn't have a distended stomach in the video I have of him during prejudging.
I watched the entire 2003 Mr Olympia video his gut is clearly visible and you lose once again here he is in a front latspread no transition no excuses massive gut in fact , Jay of all people is the only one who's gut isn't sticking out
where is the gut in that pic? His stomach looks flush with his chest. If you consider that a gut, then Dorian had a gut when he posed too. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/1995MrOlympia-Posedown.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/1995MrOlympia-PrejudgingRound14.jpg)
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ha ha ha Neo & Hulkster OWNED
how was I "owned" by that pic? I'm not the one denying loose folds of skin, dumbass. ;)
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ha ha ha, show me where I said Ronnie had no gut in 03. I said he doesn't have a distended stomach in the video I have of him during prejudging.
where is the gut in that pic? His stomach looks flush with his chest. If you consider that a gut, then Dorian had a gut when he posed too. ;)
Oh we're going to play the word game now, another predictable Neo tactic
lmfao flush? you're just being contrary now , no wonder why you think Ronnie would beat Dorian you see what you want to see
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Ronnie never had hardness, detail and condition like this! :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=233694.0;attach=291466;image)
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how was I "owned" by that pic? I'm not the one denying loose folds of skin, dumbass. ;)
You're owned because Yates says specifically he had NO loose skin so you're contradicting one of the best conditioned bodybuilders in the history of the sport who just happens to be an IFBB judge ;) that's how you're owned any other questions? ;)
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Oh we're going to play the word game now, another predictable Neo tactic
lmfao flush? you're just being contrary now , no wonder why you think Ronnie would beat Dorian you see what you want to see
translation: in light of the recent evidence, I've got nothing. ;)
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Ronnie never had hardness, detail and condition like this!
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman33.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie82.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman56.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/RonnieStats.jpg)
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I've got nothing. ;)
in light of you denying evidence? lol you're claiming his gut is flush with his pecs LMFAO please look up the definition for convex and concave look at Ronnie's convexed GUT sticking out past his pecs and then keep posting like you can't see it lol
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Dorian is bigger , harder , drier and more detailed especially from the back and he has better balance & proportion and couple that with posing & presentation and Ronnie 2001 will look small next to Dorian
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
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You're owned because Yates says specifically he had NO loose skin so you're contradicting one of the best conditioned bodybuilders in the history of the sport who just happens to be an IFBB judge that's how you're owned any other questions?
bwahahaha, that's not me being owned. The pics don't lie. If Dorian said he was 100% African descent, would you believe him or the pics? ;)
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bwahahaha, that's not me being owned. The pics don't lie. If Dorian said he was 100% African descent, would you believe him or the pics? ;)
You're clearly owned you're once again in direct opposition of an IFBB judge he says it had no loose skin thats LAW the pictures don't show ANY loose skin they show wrinkles Hulkster had the balls to claim the same lines on his triceps is loose skin too
you're an idiot , he's and idiot and I proved both of you wrong as usual I can back up my claim AFTER THE FACT using professionals
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Dorian is bigger , harder , drier and more detailed especially from the back and he has better balance & proportion and couple that with posing & presentation and Ronnie 2001 will look small next to Dorian
bigger? Maybe. Dorian was 10 lbs heavier which is not much. Ronnie's smaller joints and narrower waist give the illusion of added size compared to Dorian's blocky structure.
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia
"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."
Dexter Jackson – Getbig Interview 2004
“I am not the gossip type. I let them do all the talking, and I let my physique back my talking up. I know Craig Titus was saying something like he knows that Lee Priest is 200 pounds, I’m 220 pounds, and he is 250 pounds, and all this shit, but what Craig does not realize is that his 250 pounds is not like Ronnie Coleman’s 250 pounds. See what I am saying? I think I have proven to everyone that size doesn't matter. You don't look at Craig and say 'whoa, that’s a big dude’. You might say that about Ronnie or Jay at 250, but not Craig.”
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
show me where Peter McGough explicitly says 01 ASC Ronnie never matched Dorian's conditioning. He only says nobody achieved the same level of hardness and dryness. Furthermore, since you believe what Peter says, then you concede that he's right about Ronnie having the best back of all-time. ;)
Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006
"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness." (in reference to Ronnie at the 06 Mr. Olympia)
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You're clearly owned you're once again in direct opposition of an IFBB judge he says it had no loose skin thats LAW the pictures don't show ANY loose skin they show wrinkles Hulkster had the balls to claim the same lines on his triceps is loose skin too
ha ha ha, "that's law." ::)
the pics show loose skin on Dorian's lower back. Funny how the same folds shows up in his off-season pics but in his contest shots, it's not loose skin. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates31.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates32-1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates43a.jpg)
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This shot shows perfectly why Ronnie is vastly inferior to Dorian.
Ronnie's legs SUCK. Look at Jay's legs for good proportions. Ronnie has huge quads with stick calves. And look at the midsection. Absolutely horrible. It's actually convex while hitting a front lat spread :-X His chest also lacks thickness.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251145.0;attach=291484;image)
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This shot shows perfectly why Ronnie is vastly inferior to Dorian.
Ronnie's legs SUCK. Look at Jay's legs for good proportions. Ronnie has huge quads with stick calves. And look at the midsection. Absolutely horrible. It's actually convex while hitting a front lat spread His chest also lacks thickness.
hey idiot, the judges don't sit at the corners of the stage. ;)
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bigger? Maybe. Dorian was 10 lbs heavier which is not much. Ronnie's smaller joints and narrower waist give the illusion of added size compared to Dorian's blocky structure.
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia
"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."
Dexter Jackson – Getbig Interview 2004
“I am not the gossip type. I let them do all the talking, and I let my physique back my talking up. I know Craig Titus was saying something like he knows that Lee Priest is 200 pounds, I’m 220 pounds, and he is 250 pounds, and all this shit, but what Craig does not realize is that his 250 pounds is not like Ronnie Coleman’s 250 pounds. See what I am saying? I think I have proven to everyone that size doesn't matter. You don't look at Craig and say 'whoa, that’s a big dude’. You might say that about Ronnie or Jay at 250, but not Craig.”
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
show me where Peter McGough explicitly says 01 ASC Ronnie never matched Dorian's conditioning. He only says nobody achieved the same level of hardness and dryness. Furthermore, since you believe what Peter says, then you concede that he's right about Ronnie having the best back of all-time. ;)
Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006
"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness." (in reference to Ronnie at the 06 Mr. Olympia)
bigger? Maybe. Dorian was 10 lbs heavier which is not much. Ronnie's smaller joints and narrower waist give the illusion of added size compared to Dorian's blocky structure.
it isn't much? lol 10 pounds of solid muscle isn't much? sorry kid that's not true look at the difference between Ronnie 1998 and 1999 big difference and we're ONLY talking about Dorian 1993 , Dorian 1995 260 pounds according to Lee Haney , that now becomes a 13 pound size advantage , an then we're talking about Dorian pre-contest 269 pounds which now becomes a 22 pound size advantage NO ONE outmuscled Dorian NO ONE nice try though
pumpster posted this quote a while back
Quote from Lou Ferrigno, after the 1993 O:
"Dorian won. He is as big as I am, but with a better overall frame. I knew I was competing for second place the minute he stepped onstage."
I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab
Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.
No before you post a pic of either they mean NOTHING compared to being there and guess what this is coming from an IFBB judge that means it's LAW
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia
"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."
Dexter Jackson – Getbig Interview 2004
“I am not the gossip type. I let them do all the talking, and I let my physique back my talking up. I know Craig Titus was saying something like he knows that Lee Priest is 200 pounds, I’m 220 pounds, and he is 250 pounds, and all this shit, but what Craig does not realize is that his 250 pounds is not like Ronnie Coleman’s 250 pounds. See what I am saying? I think I have proven to everyone that size doesn't matter. You don't look at Craig and say 'whoa, that’s a big dude’. You might say that about Ronnie or Jay at 250, but not Craig.”
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
see above
show me where Peter McGough explicitly says 01 ASC Ronnie never matched Dorian's conditioning. He only says nobody achieved the same level of hardness and dryness. Furthermore, since you believe what Peter says, then you concede that he's right about Ronnie having the best back of all-time. ;)
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian
he was never drier or harder than Dorian
did you miss that?
did you miss where Dorian said he had better conditioning than Ronnie? I don't have to concede ANYTHING you're the one n denial I'm not
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ha ha ha, "that's law." ::)
the pics show loose skin on Dorian's lower back. Funny how the same folds shows up in his off-season pics but in his contest shots, it's not loose skin. ;)
owned by Yates again ;) neo makes a claim I say the claim is nonsense he denies I provide PROOF from an IFBB judge and you guessed it deny , deny , deny lol you're owned you're proven wrong BY me I was confirmed right by a pro after the fact , this proves I always new what I was talking about and you still don't
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hey idiot, the judges don't sit at the corners of the stage. ;)
ha ha ha Ronnie's shitty legs are visible from ALL angles LOL. And the gut is visible a mile away. Jay is the ONLY guy up there with a good midsection. The only reason Ronnie won in 03 was because of his overwhelming size - NOT because he was a better BB. If Jay had a back, he would have defeated Ronnie.
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ha ha ha, "that's law." ::)
the pics show loose skin on Dorian's lower back. Funny how the same folds shows up in his off-season pics but in his contest shots, it's not loose skin. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates43a.jpg)
Those lines on his triceps loose skin too LMMFAO
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Nice loose skin on Ronnie here too :-\
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251145.0;attach=291487;image)
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ha ha ha Ronnie's shitty legs are visible from ALL angles LOL. And the gut is visible a mile away. Jay is the ONLY guy up there with a good midsection. The only reason Ronnie won in 03 was because of his overwhelming size - NOT because he was a better BB. If Jay had a back, he would have defeated Ronnie.
look at those amazing calves lol
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it isn't much? lol 10 pounds of solid muscle isn't much? sorry kid that's not true look at the difference between Ronnie 1998 and 1999 big difference and we're ONLY talking about Dorian 1993 , Dorian 1995 260 pounds according to Lee Haney , that now becomes a 13 pound size advantage , an then we're talking about Dorian pre-contest 269 pounds which now becomes a 22 pound size advantage NO ONE outmuscled Dorian NO ONE nice try though
when Dorian and Lee Haney competed in 91, they were only separated by a 2-3 lbs difference yet Haney looked much bigger. Smaller joints and better taper create the illusion of added size. Even your hero, Dorian, says weight doesn't mean shit. ;)
Dorian Yates - Bodybuliding.com Interview
"at the end of the day it's not a weight contest, it's a visual contest. And it doesn't matter what you say you weigh, if you don't look that big then you don't look that big."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_interview_1993_gym_shots.htm
pumpster posted this quote a while back
Quote from Lou Ferrigno, after the 1993 O:
"Dorian won. He is as big as I am, but with a better overall frame. I knew I was competing for second place the minute he stepped onstage."
I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab
Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.
well shit, I guess it must be true since they said so. I suppose Ronnie developed never before seen muscles. ::)
Kenny Kassel, IFBB Official - Flex, Janurary 2004
"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet."
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian
he was never drier or harder than Dorian
did you miss that?
I'm still waiting for you to show me where Peter explicitly said Ronnie never matched Dorian's conditioning. ;)
did you miss where Dorian said he had better conditioning than Ronnie? I don't have to concede ANYTHING you're the one n denial I'm not
show me where he specifically referred to Ronnie's 01 ASC physique. He could have been talking about Ronnie during the end of his reign.
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when Dorian and Lee Haney competed in 91, they were only separated by a 2-3 lbs difference yet Haney looked much bigger. Smaller joints and better taper create the illusion of added size. Even your hero, Dorian, says weight doesn't mean shit. ;)
You moron, Dorian weighed 239 and Haney weighed 250 and Dorian still won the muscularity round ha ha ha. Now imagine Dorian at 260lbs and in much BETTER condition ;) Semenhole PWNED.
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Kenny Kassel, IFBB Official - Flex, Janurary 2004
"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet."
Just to confirm, Kenny is referring to the alien growing inside Ronnie's massive GUT :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251145.0;attach=291487;image)
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Just to confirm, Kenny is referring to the alien growing inside Ronnie's massive GUT :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251145.0;attach=291487;image)
according to the dummy Neo his gut is ' flush ' with his pecs lol
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Just to confirm, Kenny is referring to the alien growing inside Ronnie's massive GUT :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251145.0;attach=291487;image)
Dorian and Ronnie BOTH had guts, this is a fact, more to the next thing.
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You moron, Dorian weighed 239 and Haney weighed 250 and Dorian still won the muscularity round ha ha ha. Now imagine Dorian at 260lbs and in much BETTER condition
you can start sucking my cock now. ;)
"Orlando, Florida, was the site of the 1991 Mr. Olympia. Haney was going for eight in a row, but for the first time he was up against a man who was the same height (5′11") and weight (245 pounds) in Dorian Yates, the Beast from Britain. Four points separated them after two rounds, but Haney pulled away in rounds three and four to seize his eighth championship in a row."
http://www.ifbbpro.com/history-of-the-mr-olympia/3/
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Dorian and Ronnie BOTH had guts, this is a fact, more to the next thing.
No one is denying this but Neo is denying Ronnie did onstage in 03 which is obviously wrong
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you can start sucking my cock now. ;)
"Orlando, Florida, was the site of the 1991 Mr. Olympia. Haney was going for eight in a row, but for the first time he was up against a man who was the same height (5′11") and weight (245 pounds) in Dorian Yates, the Beast from Britain. Four points separated them after two rounds, but Haney pulled away in rounds three and four to seize his eighth championship in a row."
http://www.ifbbpro.com/history-of-the-mr-olympia/3/
That's wrong Haney was 249 pounds in 1991 and Dorian I believe was either 239 or 240 and what's your obsession with Gay overtones? I thought you had a g/f ?
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No one is denying this but Neo is denying Ronnie did onstage in 03 which is obviously wrong
they both had huge guts, neither side can deny this one!
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No one is denying this but Neo is denying Ronnie did onstage in 03 which is obviously wrong
bullshit, I never once said Ronnie didn't have a gut in 03. I said he didn't have a gut in the video I have of him during prejudging. There's a difference between having a distended stomach that hangs out when relaxed and having a gut that hangs out all the time. Ronnie kept his in check during the mandatory poses, which is what the judges look at.
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bullshit, I never once said Ronnie didn't have a gut in 03. I said he didn't have a gut in the video I have of him during prejudging.
and you're wrong either way I seen the whole video , you're still wrong semantics aside
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I admit, Big Ron looked pregnant that year :-X
Kevin should have won >:(
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and you're wrong either way I seen the whole video , you're still wrong semantics aside
this is a blatant lie. I can post a pic of Ronnie without a gut in every mandatory pose.
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this is a blatant lie. I can post a pic of Ronnie without a gut in every mandatory pose.
oh fuck me you're an idiot I just posted a pic of him IN a mandatory with a GUT from 2003 you're just being contrary now
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That's wrong Haney was 249 pounds in 1991 and Dorian I believe was either 239 or 240 and what's your obsession with Gay overtones? I thought you had a g/f?
I do have a gf. It's just funny effeminating others as a sign of my dominance.
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I do have a gf. It's just funny effeminating others as a sign of my dominance.
no your constantly do it what would Freud say? and I would say it's a sign of repressed homosexual feelings , nothing wrong with being gay either but lets be honest here
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oh fuck me you're an idiot I just posted a pic of him IN a mandatory with a GUT from 2003 you're just being contrary now
no gut. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman147a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman120.jpg)
yes, we all know you can find an unflattering pic of Ronnie taken from an angle the judges would never see. I can do the same for Dorian if you want to play that game.
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no your constantly do it what would Freud say? and I would say it's a sign of repressed homosexual feelings , nothing wrong with being gay either but lets be honest here
even Freud didn't believe the shit he said. What was that about cigars? ;)
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I do have a gf. It's just funny effeminating others as a sign of my dominance.
Hey dipshit...."He's like Haney WITH BETTER LEGS"
Negates any crap you posted about Haney looking bigger you little f*ggot. Oh, and notice the weight at the beginning of the video ;) Consider yourself owned (again) ha ha ha.
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no gut. ;)
yes, we all know you can find an unflattering pic of Ronnie taken from an angle the judges would never see. I can do the same for Dorian if you want to play that game.
I'm not in denial you are NO games needed ;) and his front latspread just sucks
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SOFT SOFT SOFT like an overcooked potato with loose skin on the abdomen and neck :-X
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman120.jpg)
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even Freud didn't believe the shit he said. What was that about cigars? ;)
In your case I think he's right on the money , even you have to admit you take it a tad to far ???
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It seemed as though, as the years progressed, there was too much of a focus on bodyweight. I would read in MD how Chad wanted to see Ronnie hit this weight, or that. In 2003, he came in at a reputed 285, with an even higher target set for 2004. I find this odd, as the primary focus should be visual, not a predetermined target based upon the weigh scale. If conditioning begins to get sacrificed too much, then the added size will not have as much impact anyway. Such a tactic wasn't needed. Ronnie had size to spare compared to his immediate competition. Ultimately, I believe playing the size game cost Ronnie his 9th title. Sure, he had obvious injuries, but I truly believe that had he come into the Friday prejudging of 2006, with the tighter look he showed during the Saturday finals, that the judges might have let him take the title again (despite injuries) and break the record. "They" (Chad/Ronnie) pushed too hard to try have him come in at 300 lbs on the Friday, as some sort of bragging right, and it cost them the title, I believe.
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Coleman at a large bodyweigt truly is shit. The difference between him and Dorian is that Dorian could be 280+ lbs while still having great symmetry and conditioning, whilst Ronnie couldn't. This picture proves it:
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Coleman at a large bodyweigt truly is shit. The difference between him and Dorian is that Dorian could be 280+ lbs while still having great symmetry and conditioning, whilst Ronnie couldn't. This picture proves it:
280 lbs? What are you smoking? That shot was taken a few weeks prior to the 95 Mr. Olympia where he competed at 257 lbs. His conditioning looks to be even better which suggests he didn't lose much weight, if any, between that pic and the Mr. Olympia. Are you honestly claiming he lost 20 lbs of muscle right before the contest? ::)
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280 lbs? What are you smoking? That shot was taken a few weeks prior to the 95 Mr. Olympia where he competed at 257 lbs. His conditioning looks to be even better which suggests he didn't lose much weight, if any, between that pic and the Mr. Olympia. Are you honestly claiming he lost 20 lbs of muscle right before the contest? ::)
283 lbs according to the photographer ;)
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283 lbs according to the photographer
oh great! Even worse! So Dorian lost about 25 lbs and his conditioning deteriorated right before the contest? ::)
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oh great! Even worse! So Dorian lost about 25 lbs and his conditioning deteriorated right before the contest? ::)
I would agree that Dorian didn't need to diet down so far, but I would hardly suggest that his conditioning deteriorated. He was extraordinarily dry at the 1995 contest. He placed an extreme priority on being in excellent condition, perhaps to the detriment of some size. That being said, I much prefer this tactic to the current trend of pros coming in soft, just so they can be fuller.
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oh great! Even worse! So Dorian lost about 25 lbs and his conditioning deteriorated right before the contest? ::)
Yes he lost about 25 pounds of mostly muscle he said himself many times he reached a point where he was contest ready weeks out it happened in 1992/1993 and his conditioning deteriorated? ???
283 pounds Ronnie 2003 has NO advantages now Neo ;)
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Yes he lost about 25 pounds of mostly muscle he said himself many times he reached a point where he was contest ready weeks out it happened in 1992/1993 and his conditioning deteriorated? ???
283 pounds Ronnie 2003 has NO advantages now Neo ;)
he also said he improved on it, I guess not, 25 pounds of muscle?
he could have ate a little more for a week or two then dieted again
They still couldn't beat him lmao
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Yes he lost about 25 pounds of mostly muscle he said himself many times he reached a point where he was contest ready weeks out it happened in 1992/1993 and his conditioning deteriorated?
yes, Dorian's conditioning deteriorated from the time that pic was taken to the contest. Find me 1 pic from the 95 Mr. Olympia where his quads looked like that. ;)
283 pounds Ronnie 2003 has NO advantages now Neo
Dorian doesn't look 283 lbs in that pic. He looks smaller than he did in the 93 black and white shots where he weighed 269 lbs. So quoting me numbers that aren't backed up by visuals is meaningless in this discussion.
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yes, Dorian's conditioning deteriorated from the time that pic was taken to the contest. Find me 1 pic from the 95 Mr. Olympia where his quads looked like that. ;)
Dorian doesn't look 283 lbs in that pic. He looks smaller than he did in the 93 black and white shots where he weighed 269 lbs. So quoting me numbers that aren't backed up by visuals is meaningless in this discussion.
LMFAO his quads don't look like that so his conditioning deteriorated ::) great logic he's 283 pounds with better conditioning than 260 yeah sounds right to me
he doesn't look 283 TO YOU he sure as hell looks noticeably bigger to me in this pic than the 1993 shoot , either way he's vastly superior in almost every way to Ronnie , especially Ronnie 2003
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LMFAO his quads don't look like that so his conditioning deteriorated great logic he's 283 pounds with better conditioning than 260 yeah sounds right to me
I make a legit point and all you can do is laugh? Find me 1 pic from the 95 Mr. Olympia where his quads looked like that. If my comment is so absurd that it amuses you, then you should easily be able to prove me wrong. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates101.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates31.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates61.jpg)
he doesn't look 283 TO YOU he sure as hell looks noticeably bigger to me in this pic than the 1993 shoot , either way he's vastly superior in almost every way to Ronnie , especially Ronnie 2003
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251487.0;attach=292193;image)
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I make a legit point and all you can do is laugh? Find me 1 pic from the 95 Mr. Olympia where his quads looked like that. If my comment is so absurd that it amuses you, then you should easily be able to prove me wrong. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates101.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates31.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates61.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251487.0;attach=292193;image)
Unless you can provide an original that differs from the photo released, so as to prove tampering, you have nothing but supposition. In light of Kevin Horton having already testified with regard to the photo being a scan of the original negative, your speculations merely come across as sour grapes. Suck it up princess, Yates was the man and you know it.
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Unless you can provide an original that differs from the photo released, so as to prove tampering, you have nothing but supposition. In light of Kevin Horton having already testified with regard to the photo being a scan of the original negative, your speculations merely come across as sour grapes. Suck it up princess, Yates was the man and you know it.
Great post! lol
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Are you honestly claiming he lost 20 lbs of muscle right before the contest?
Of course, since he didn't have 20 lbs of fat to lose, then most of those 20 lbs that he lost were muscle. Why not? Both Kevin Horton and Peter McGough said that Dorian sacrificed a lot of muscle to gain a little in conditioning because he was obsessed with perfect condiotioning. They bh stated Dorian could have stepped onstage like he looked 3 weeks out and still be the hardest man onstage. Dorian would sacrifice 15 lbs of muscle to lose the last stubborn 5 lbs of fat and water even though according to McGough and Horton he would have looked better if he stepped onstage with the added 15 lbs of muscle and 5 lbs of fat.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I make a legit point and all you can do is laugh? Find me 1 pic from the 95 Mr. Olympia where his quads looked like that. If my comment is so absurd that it amuses you, then you should easily be able to prove me wrong. ;)
Your example of Platz legs is a good one to show how side lighting reveals depth, whereas the frontal lighting used at contests doesn't.
It's all about the shadows.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=251407.75
Don't mistake a contest pic where the lighting doesn't show off his depth as being less conditioned , his quads were noticeably small that year but to say they are less conditioned is asinine
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Coleman was always shit at a large bodyweight because he could never come close to the conditioning of 98/99. His proportions were out of whack.
When you look at how shit his competition was in those years, you can tell he made a mistake. 01 he should've lost to Cutler. 02 he nearly lost to a half-assed Levrone.
Dorian destroyed his high calibre competition year after year (Ray, Nasser, Levrone, Wheeler, Dillet) and when you compare those physiques to the ones Coleman just defeated, it's hard to consider Coleman, apart from 98/99 to coming even close.
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Unless you can provide an original that differs from the photo released, so as to prove tampering, you have nothing but supposition. In light of Kevin Horton having already testified with regard to the photo being a scan of the original negative, your speculations merely come across as sour grapes. Suck it up sir, Ronnie was the man and I know it.
wtf are you talking about? My post challenged ND to find a shot from the 95 Mr. Olympia where Dorian's quads looked as good as they do in the new pic.
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Great post! lol
of course you would congratulate a fellow idiot on a post that has nothing to do with the post he quoted. ::)
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wtf are you talking about? My post challenged ND to find a shot from the 95 Mr. Olympia where Dorian's quads looked as good as they do in the new pic.
NO NO conditioned YOU claimed his quads weren't as conditioned , NO SHIT his quads don't look as good as they did at the Olympia , he's 23 pounds lighter
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of course you would congratulate a fellow idiot on a post that has nothing to do with the post he quoted. ::)
Who's the idiot? you're the jackass claiming the picture is fake and made some half-ass comparison to ' prove it ' I told you this picture would cause many meltdowns and you're included ;)
283 pounds harder , drier , better balanced and more complete than ANY version of Coleman especially that mess known as 2003
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yes Dorian's conditioning deteriorated from the time that pic was taken to the contest. Find me 1 pic from the 95 Mr. Olympia where his quads looked like that. ;)
His quads didn't look like that so his conditioning deteriorated ;)
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His quads didn't look like that so his conditioning deteriorated
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates101.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates61.jpg)
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Yes he lost about 25 pounds of mostly muscle he said himself many times he reached a point where he was contest ready weeks out it happened in 1992/1993 and his conditioning deteriorated? ???
283 pounds Ronnie 2003 has NO advantages now Neo ;)
does dorian wear his socks to the tanning booth?
MAJOR tanning lines just above his ankles
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does dorian wear his socks to the tanning booth?
MAJOR tanning lines just above his ankles
you saved my pic b/c it still has the name I gave it. ;D
anyway, bb.com just released the original pic in a larger size.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates102.jpg)
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you saved my pic b/c it still has the name I gave it. ;D
anyway, bb.com just released the original pic in a larger size.
how come he looks smaller in your pic ???
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:o
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates102.jpg)