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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2008, 02:55:43 PM »
Ronnie '98 was his best physique ever with a combination of mass and conditioning. If it weren't for the gyno it'd be near flawless.

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2008, 02:56:43 PM »
so, suckmyasshole cant ignore the 'horrific' flaws 2003 Ronnie had, but the horrific flaws dorian had throughout his entire career are fine and dandy.. ::)

ie shitty quads, shitty arms, wide waist, undersized arms, poor detail in the arms and quads esp. in all front shots, just to name a few...

makes no fucking sense..

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2008, 03:14:50 PM »
so, suckmyasshole cant ignore the 'horrific' flaws 2003 Ronnie had, but the horrific flaws dorian had throughout his entire career are fine and dandy..

ie shitty quads, shitty arms, wide waist, undersized arms, poor detail in the arms and quads esp. in all front shots, just to name a few...

makes no fucking sense..


 Besides the torn left biceps and the gut he displayed in 97', Dorian had no real flaws. Shitty quads? Dorian's quads were spectacular in terms of size, separation and hardness. Shitty arms? Dorian's arms were good enough for him to win the side triceps at every contest his entered, even when he was still an amateur. As for poor detail in his arm, Dorian had a hardness that more than made up for it and made Ronnie's arms look soft. Now, as for the wide waist you have a legitimate point, and I have addressed this before. Ronnie does have better taper with a smaller waist and thus wins the front relaxed as well as the front double biceps on account of better taper and biceps. He doesen't win the front lat spread and abs-ad-thighs because Dorian's lats pop out more from the front giving him better taper and in the case of the abs-ad-thighs the superior taper created by the lats is compounded by Dorian's equally superior abs. ;)

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2008, 03:25:38 PM »
funny you're calling Dorian a ' fat cow ' and then rave about Ronnie's conditioning in 2003 LMFAO what an idiot you are , soft Ronnie 2003 couldn't touch Dorian's density & dryness at his best never mind 03

so you concede that Dorian had a horrible gut in 93 and 95? Gotcha. ;)

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and you said he had NO gut in 03 which you were once again soundly proven dead wrong and your response is to deflect to Dorian , typical Neo when owned as usual , red trunks , purple trunks he still looked pregnant and you want to post relaxed pics? lol

yes, Ronnie has no gut in the video I have. You didn't prove anything b/c the pics you posted are when he is relaxed or during transition in his posing routine. Nice try but you lose. ;)

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2008, 03:42:05 PM »
Loose skin on the lower back and rolls of fat on the neck bitches.

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2008, 03:50:45 PM »
Besides the torn left biceps and the gut he displayed in 97', Dorian had no real flaws. Shitty quads? Dorian's quads were spectacular in terms of size, separation and hardness. Shitty arms? Dorian's arms were good enough for him to win the side triceps at every contest his entered, even when he was still an amateur. As for poor detail in his arm, Dorian had a hardness that more than made up for it and made Ronnie's arms look soft. Now, as for the wide waist you have a legitimate point, and I have addressed this before. Ronnie does have better taper with a smaller waist and thus wins the front relaxed as well as the front double biceps on account of better taper and biceps. He doesen't win the front lat spread and abs-ad-thighs because Dorian's lats pop out more from the front giving him better taper and in the case of the abs-ad-thighs the superior taper created by the lats is compounded by Dorian's equally superior abs.

pics, fagg*t. Post em. ;)

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2008, 05:01:07 PM »
so you concede that Dorian had a horrible gut in 93 and 95? Gotcha. ;)

yes, Ronnie has no gut in the video I have. You didn't prove anything b/c the pics you posted are when he is relaxed or during transition in his posing routine. Nice try but you lose. ;)

don't presume to speak for me I concede Dorian did have a gut no where near as bad as Ronnie Coleman 2003 the difference between you and I Neo is , I'm not typing he didn't

I watched the entire 2003 Mr Olympia video his gut is clearly visible and you lose once again here he is in a front latspread no transition no excuses massive gut in fact , Jay of all people is the only one who's gut isn't sticking out

you committed to an ignorant statement and were called on it and exposed , it's not the first time nor the last you're prone to such stupidity it stems from ignorance , bias and outright foolishness

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2008, 05:02:06 PM »
Loose skin on the lower back and rolls of fat on the neck bitches.



ha ha ha Neo & Hulkster OWNED

no excuses for that do they?  ;)

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2008, 05:11:55 PM »
dude why do you guys care so much

everyday there is a thread about dorian vs ronnie

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2008, 05:13:55 PM »
dude why do you guys care so much

everyday there is a thread about dorian vs ronnie

stupid pricks

I don't care hence why I created a truce thread and why I walked away from it , hulkster and his dummy friends care that's why the follow me around trying to get revenge for me kicking their asses

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2008, 05:23:19 PM »
don't presume to speak for me I concede Dorian did have a gut no where near as bad as Ronnie Coleman 2003 the difference between you and I Neo is , I'm not typing he didn't

ha ha ha, show me where I said Ronnie had no gut in 03. I said he doesn't have a distended stomach in the video I have of him during prejudging.

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I watched the entire 2003 Mr Olympia video his gut is clearly visible and you lose once again here he is in a front latspread no transition no excuses massive gut in fact , Jay of all people is the only one who's gut isn't sticking out

where is the gut in that pic? His stomach looks flush with his chest. If you consider that a gut, then Dorian had a gut when he posed too. ;)




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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2008, 05:25:43 PM »
ha ha ha Neo & Hulkster OWNED

how was I "owned" by that pic? I'm not the one denying loose folds of skin, dumbass. ;)

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2008, 05:30:12 PM »
ha ha ha, show me where I said Ronnie had no gut in 03. I said he doesn't have a distended stomach in the video I have of him during prejudging.

where is the gut in that pic? His stomach looks flush with his chest. If you consider that a gut, then Dorian had a gut when he posed too. ;)



Oh we're going to play the word game now,  another predictable Neo tactic

lmfao flush? you're just being contrary now , no wonder why you think Ronnie would beat Dorian you see what you want to see



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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2008, 05:31:16 PM »
Ronnie never had hardness, detail and condition like this!  :o

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2008, 05:32:09 PM »
how was I "owned" by that pic? I'm not the one denying loose folds of skin, dumbass. ;)

You're owned because Yates says specifically he had NO loose skin so you're contradicting one of the best conditioned bodybuilders in the history of the sport who just happens to be an IFBB judge  ;) that's how you're owned any other questions?  ;)

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2008, 05:32:36 PM »
Oh we're going to play the word game now,  another predictable Neo tactic

lmfao flush? you're just being contrary now , no wonder why you think Ronnie would beat Dorian you see what you want to see

translation: in light of the recent evidence, I've got nothing. ;)

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2008, 05:36:04 PM »
Ronnie never had hardness, detail and condition like this!

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2008, 05:37:01 PM »
I've got nothing. ;)

in light of you denying evidence? lol you're claiming his gut is flush with his pecs LMFAO please look up the definition for convex and concave look at Ronnie's convexed GUT sticking out past his pecs and then keep posting like you can't see it lol




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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2008, 05:39:57 PM »
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Dorian is bigger , harder , drier and more detailed especially from the back and he has better balance & proportion and couple that with posing & presentation and Ronnie 2001 will look small next to Dorian

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.



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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2008, 05:47:08 PM »
You're owned because Yates says specifically he had NO loose skin so you're contradicting one of the best conditioned bodybuilders in the history of the sport who just happens to be an IFBB judge that's how you're owned any other questions?

bwahahaha, that's not me being owned. The pics don't lie. If Dorian said he was 100% African descent, would you believe him or the pics? ;)

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2008, 05:53:54 PM »
bwahahaha, that's not me being owned. The pics don't lie. If Dorian said he was 100% African descent, would you believe him or the pics? ;)

You're clearly owned you're once again in direct opposition of an IFBB judge he says it had no loose skin thats LAW the pictures don't show ANY loose skin they show wrinkles Hulkster had the balls to claim the same lines on his triceps is loose skin too

you're an idiot , he's and idiot and I proved both of you wrong as usual I can back up my claim AFTER THE FACT using professionals

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2008, 05:54:53 PM »
Dorian is bigger , harder , drier and more detailed especially from the back and he has better balance & proportion and couple that with posing & presentation and Ronnie 2001 will look small next to Dorian

bigger? Maybe. Dorian was 10 lbs heavier which is not much. Ronnie's smaller joints and narrower waist give the illusion of added size compared to Dorian's blocky structure.

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"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."

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“I am not the gossip type. I let them do all the talking, and I let my physique back my talking up. I know Craig Titus was saying something like he knows that Lee Priest is 200 pounds, I’m 220 pounds, and he is 250 pounds, and all this shit, but what Craig does not realize is that his 250 pounds is not like Ronnie Coleman’s 250 pounds. See what I am saying? I think I have proven to everyone that size doesn't matter. You don't look at Craig and say 'whoa, that’s a big dude’. You might say that about Ronnie or Jay at 250, but not Craig.”

Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

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While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

show me where Peter McGough explicitly says 01 ASC Ronnie never matched Dorian's conditioning. He only says nobody achieved the same level of hardness and dryness. Furthermore, since you believe what Peter says, then you concede that he's right about Ronnie having the best back of all-time. ;)

Peter McGough - Flex, December 2006

"The best back ever lacked its eye-popping detail and fullness." (in reference to Ronnie at the 06 Mr. Olympia)

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #72 on: December 06, 2008, 05:59:51 PM »
You're clearly owned you're once again in direct opposition of an IFBB judge he says it had no loose skin thats LAW the pictures don't show ANY loose skin they show wrinkles Hulkster had the balls to claim the same lines on his triceps is loose skin too

ha ha ha, "that's law." ::)

the pics show loose skin on Dorian's lower back. Funny how the same folds shows up in his off-season pics but in his contest shots, it's not loose skin. ;)






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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2008, 06:02:49 PM »
This shot shows perfectly why Ronnie is vastly inferior to Dorian.

Ronnie's legs SUCK. Look at Jay's legs for good proportions. Ronnie has huge quads with stick calves. And look at the midsection. Absolutely horrible. It's actually convex while hitting a front lat spread  :-X His chest also lacks thickness.

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Re: Why Coleman At A Large Bodyweight Is Shit.
« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2008, 06:04:16 PM »
This shot shows perfectly why Ronnie is vastly inferior to Dorian.

Ronnie's legs SUCK. Look at Jay's legs for good proportions. Ronnie has huge quads with stick calves. And look at the midsection. Absolutely horrible. It's actually convex while hitting a front lat spread His chest also lacks thickness.

hey idiot, the judges don't sit at the corners of the stage. ;)