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According to Tice, NSA was also spying on journalists. :o
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Obama's been president 24 hours, and whistleblowers are already coming forward.
Just wait. The big ones will wait a few weeks or months. Suddenly the law matters.
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:)
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This just amazes me that none of the rightwing turds on the board give a rats ass what this means. crickets... Gee, when Obama does something we don't like, we bitch about it. I know I do and I did the same with Clinton. This is seriously big shit... where is the rightwing condemnation of clear cut criminal wrongdoing by Bush & Co?
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This just amazes me that none of the rightwing turds on the board give a rats ass what this means. crickets... Gee, when Obama does something we don't like, we bitch about it. I know I do. This is seriously big shit... where is the rightwing condemnation of clear cut criminal wrongdoing by Bush & Co?
imagine the outrage we'd be hearing if President Obama was eavesdropping on Hannity, Limbaugh, and Coulter.
There'd be cut-n-paste's from Rush crying about the constitution.
Funny, i didn't hear limbaugh mention this today ;)
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imagine the outrage we'd be hearing if President Obama was eavesdropping on Hannity, Limbaugh, and Coulter.
There'd be cut-n-paste's from Rush crying about the constitution.
Funny, i didn't hear limbaugh mention this today ;)
I'll sticky the fucker until the asswipes address it :D That'll be when hell freezes over :D IMO, this is big news anyway. Not like we didn't know it was happening, I figure a lot of people did. HH6 mocked me for the paranoia and here it is--to have it confirmed is huge.
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give it time. more whistleblowers will start to come fwd when they start smelling investigations coming their way. There's always the 1 guy who jumps on the deal first, and keeps his pension. The others know that, and they'll all start pointing fingers at higher-ups.
Bush and friends really did just do whatever they wanted. By exposing that, and opening up FOIA, etc, Obama can ensure it never happens again.
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Waaaaaaaaa.....did they spy on u. No then shut up. Much like the imaginary FEMA camps that Bush was setting up right...waaaaaaaaa.
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Waaaaaaaaa.....did they spy on u. No then shut up.
Actually, if you're a reporter, they may have.
Even if you didn't ever make a foreign call.
Wait til we find out which members of congress he was wiretapping. that'll be a fun day.
You'll probably quip "you're not a journalist or a congressman, so what do you care?"
Then you'll find out they've been tracking headhuntersix's posts for the last 5 years. Nah, they wouldn't do that. No way they'd track military. Only journliasts.
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240...I generally don't worry about what Uncle Sam is doing to me...its usually spelled out very clearly for me....get on this plane....shoot at these people, help these people...return..repeat.
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240...I generally don't worry about what Uncle Sam is doing to me...its usually spelled out very clearly for me....get on this plane....shoot at these people, help these people...return..repeat.
good point.
my point was that Bush was lying to us. He made it very clear that ONLY those ppl talking to bad guys overseas were being tapped. Now we have NSA whistleblowers who are admitting they did it on reporters.
It's scary because if ya don't nip it in the bud, it isn't long before we all have that big brother camera in our living room, ya know? Obama seems to be nipping it in the bud.
I think it's funny. Bush straight up lied about this one. People can't weasle around it. They cna try to justify it. Maybe Bush thought journalists were talking to terrorists? More likely he probably wanted to be able to pre-empt any big stories, or maybe keep tabs on who knew what. I mean, if a whistleblower came fwd about WMD, Iraq, 911, or anything else, the white hosue would know instantly.
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Waaaaaaaaa.....did they spy on u. No then shut up. Much like the imaginary FEMA camps that Bush was setting up right...waaaaaaaaa.
lol. I'm glad you post here. :)
I actually listened to about a minute of the clip. Couldn't stand much more. Olbermann is such a tool.
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This just amazes me that none of the rightwing turds on the board give a rats ass what this means. crickets... Gee, when Obama does something we don't like, we bitch about it. I know I do and I did the same with Clinton. This is seriously big shit... where is the rightwing condemnation of clear cut criminal wrongdoing by Bush & Co?
According to one right-winger (Richard tricky-dick Nixon): "When the President does it, it's not illegal." :-\
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Lets look purely at what this guy said....nobody knows exactly what the NSA got. The info was compartmentalized, meaning that he never got a full picture nor does he know if journalists were actually singled out. Further if this guy actually had something the NSA would come after him, disclosure of NSA procedures and operations is a National security violation. Oddly nobody but Obermann is running with this...oh yeah...super dyke is as well.
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Lets look purely at what this guy said....nobody knows exactly what the NSA got. The info was compartmentalized, meaning that he never got a full picture nor does he know if journalists were actually singled out. Further if this guy actually had something the NSA would come after him, disclosure of NSA procedures and operations is a National security violation. Oddly nobody but Obermann is running with this...oh yeah...super dyke is as well.
It does not matter that secretly investigating Americans is illegal.
What is "sufficient proof" for you is you insinuating that certain parts of the US government running amok may or may not have investigated me or any other American citizens. And that is, in your opinion, reason enough. Because your opinion is fact of course. ::)
WOW.
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240...I generally don't worry about what Uncle Sam is doing to me...its usually spelled out very clearly for me....get on this plane....shoot at these people, help these people...return..repeat.
You are a tool.
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Hey slapper..u have no idea, as usual what ur talking about. One guy proves nothing....in ur mind u got we're spying on Americans. He said we may be doing that...and was not privy to all the information. Further one network mentioned this...when everybody is covering it and there are multiple sources...then I'll worry.
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240...I generally don't worry about what Uncle Sam is doing to me...its usually spelled out very clearly for me....get on this plane....shoot at these people, help these people...return..repeat.
Mommy must be proud! :-*
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Hey slapper..u have no idea, as usual what ur talking about. One guy proves nothing....in ur mind u got we're spying on Americans. He said we may be doing that...and was not privy to all the information. Further one network mentioned this...when everybody is covering it and there are multiple sources...then I'll worry.
Only fox fovered "Barry's" flaws. And you seemed to believe them.
One network was plenty for you then... but now that 1 network says Bush may have broken the law, you need multiple sources?
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Only fox fovered "Barry's" flaws. And you seemed to believe them.
One network was plenty for you then... but now that 1 network says Bush may have broken the law, you need multiple sources?
at least you admit the bias in the media now...
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Only fox fovered "Barry's" flaws. And you seemed to believe them.
One network was plenty for you then... but now that 1 network says Bush may have broken the law, you need multiple sources?
240 I need more then one guy saying it and I need proof...what one guy is enough for u because u "want to believe"....
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240 I need more then one guy saying it and I need proof...what one guy is enough for u because u "want to believe"....
what is he not privy to actual info? ::) he was a member of the fucking nsa. get over your idealologies. Unless he's got some publishing deal we've yet to hear about...i think he's pretty credable
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good link, better to post this than me posting 5 articles that go nowhere ;)
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/surveillance/index.html (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/surveillance/index.html)
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what is he not privy to actual info? ::) he was a member of the fucking nsa. get over your idealologies. Unless he's got some publishing deal we've yet to hear about...i think he's pretty credable
One guy is ur source...ok Obama said u have to give me all ur money. I'm ur source...no need to check with anybody else.
Do u know how big the NSA is...do u know this guy's background...clearance status....etc. I hold a TS SSI clearance...I've had it for 6 months. I don't know anything more then I did when I held a secret. I don't just roll into a skiff or into CIA and get to look at stuff. He does his job and is cleared for information pertaining to his job. These guys all take that stuff very seriously.....He may have an ax to grind..he might have gotten fired, reprimanded...u have no idea. One guy is not the full picture
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240...I generally don't worry about what Uncle Sam is doing to me...its usually spelled out very clearly for me....get on this plane....shoot at these people, help these people...return..repeat.
haha spoken like a true spineless, mindless, spoonfed government slave.
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Yeah...oddly enough when u decide to serve they expect u to do ur job. Funny how that works...I could be a worthless civilain like u or serve the country...I'd rather matter.
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Yeah...oddly enough when u decide to serve they expect u to do ur job. Funny how that works...I could be a worthless civilain like u or serve the country...I'd rather matter.
Wake up dude...you don't serve the country. You serve the government and corporate interests. There is NOTHING you or the US government is doing that is in any way, shape or form protecting the Constitution or making this country safer. Our southern border is wide open and the US has become a fucking welfare cesspool and there isn't a goddman thing your former or current boss is going to do about it. yet you continue to spew your patriotic dribble as if you're some sort of champion of the people, serving and protecting them. All government and the US military is good at doing nowadays is spending money. The results never get any better. F22's, Smart bombs, Predator drones.......and you guys still have piss poor results. I mean my god.......what would happen if the US military was actually tested in a real war. With real soldiers and real weapons instead of IED's and Rocket propelled grenades.
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In 2003 as part of OIF 1 I fought a real war against real enemies with real tanks. The bullets firing back were real....In 2006 I deployed as part of OEF in Afghanistan...the enemy was real, the bullets were real. Ur as asshat of epic size. U've never served a day in uniform period. U have no idea wqhat a real war is or what thge hell that means. In 1991 we crushed the 4th largest army in the world in 100 hours. They were equiped with the latest soviet junk, using the latest soviet tactis....if the enemy has something to bomb we'll crush them easily. U are not equiped to hold my ruck, let alone characterize my service and those I serve with. Ur a worthless, hate america ct douchebag.
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In 2003 as part of OIF 1 I fought a real war against real enemies with real tanks. The bullets firing back were real....In 2006 I deployed as part of OEF in Afghanistan...the enemy was real, the bullets were real. Ur as asshat of epic size. U've never served a day in uniform period. U have no idea wqhat a real war is or what thge hell that means. In 1991 we crushed the 4th largest army in the world in 100 hours. They were equiped with the latest soviet junk, using the latest soviet tactis....if the enemy has something to bomb we'll crush them easily. U are not equiped to hold my ruck, let alone characterize my service and those I serve with. Ur a worthless, hate america ct douchebag.
So the greatest thing the US Military has accomplished in post WWII is conquering Saddam Hussein and his outdated military? LMAO! You're a real genius aren't you.
I don't hate America. I hate my current government. I love this country and I belive in our Constitution. Our country has turned into nothing more than an Empire of epic proportions. You are simply an extension of this corrupt and tyrannical government. Are all troops? Probably not. But you seem to lay on the bullshit thicker than most that's for sure. You remind me of this one guy over at Anabolex. Gypsyblues. LMAO! He used to spew the same bullshit as you. Hell maybe you are him.
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I have buddies stationed in kuwait and egypt and they're medics, yet they share a complete 180 view ass hh6 does. my guessing is because hh6 is of the older crowd. They're in their early 20's but they're not some dim witted pansies, they're good guys who know that sometimes shoot first ask questions later is the only way to get a leg up in the world AND YET they will never be quick to call you a ct'er lib because you disagree with how our gov is doing things.
Matter of fact everyone they work with(all in they're 20's)HATES our government, i asked my buddy rob who lives in iowa who he's voting for. He tells me no-one, he hates our leadership. It's sad hh6 is our representation of our armed forces, really.
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I have buddies stationed in kuwait and egypt and they're medics, yet they share a complete 180 view ass hh6 does. my guessing is because hh6 is of the older crowd. They're in their early 20's but they're not some dim witted pansies, they're good guys who know that sometimes shoot first ask questions later is the only way to get a leg up in the world AND YET they will never be quick to call you a ct'er lib because you disagree with how our gov is doing things.
Matter of fact everyone they work with(all in they're 20's)HATES our government, i asked my buddy rob who lives in iowa who he's voting for. He tells me no-one, he hates our leadership. It's sad hh6 is our representation of our armed forces, really.
Exactly 2nd coming. I realize there are a lot of good Americans serving. But unfortunately they are at the mercy of people and leaders that share the same mindset as HH6. That's what drives me nuts. They are being pulled around by their collars so to speak. I don't hate Americans (well only the brainwashed ones like HH6) I hate our government and our leaders. 99% of them are corrupt and lie and have nothing to do with the Constitution nor upholding it.
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Waaa wwaaa waaa......u two can jerk each other off all day long. I know somebody...I know a guy..he said..they said. Until u throw on a uniform and actually serve, u don't know shit. I've been in for over 16 years. If u honestly think that the majority of service members question authority or are ct's, distrustful of the Gov, ur crazy. Muscles ur a douchebag pure and simple.
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Waaa wwaaa waaa......u two can jerk each other off all day long. I know somebody...I know a guy..he said..they said. Until u throw on a uniform and actually serve, u don't know shit. I've been in for over 16 years. If u honestly think that the majority of service members question authority or are ct's, distrustful of the Gov, ur crazy. Muscles ur a douchebag pure and simple.
Don't waste your time.
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Thanks Beach....I needed that.
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Thanks Beach....I needed that.
No problem mang. :) There are plenty of Americans who appreciate what you do.
BTW, I was at the Punchbowl cemetery a couple weeks ago and (for the first time) stopped in the small chapel and read portions of the guest book. I was reading the notes to one of my kids. People from all over the country sign their names and write notes to our soldiers. Powerful stuff. I had to stop reading because my kid was hearing my voice crack. Just know that people from coast to coast have a great deal of pride and gratitude for the job you guys do.
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Waaa wwaaa waaa......u two can jerk each other off all day long. I know somebody...I know a guy..he said..they said. Until u throw on a uniform and actually serve, u don't know shit. I've been in for over 16 years. If u honestly think that the majority of service members question authority or are ct's, distrustful of the Gov, ur crazy. Muscles ur a douchebag pure and simple.
Hey dick weed. I talk to my buddies daily. And yes i believe more than the majority of service men under 30 years old do distrust our government. I know you'd rather be serving with zombie pushover's.
How do you explain the highest amount of donations from all service men going to ron paul? Are those guys all ct'ers too?
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Are those guys all ct'ers too?
History shows that most of these CTs are true. We just don't find out about it until 40-50 years later when everyone involved is dead or in diapers.
HH6 love sthe USA, and does his best to work in the PRESENT. He's a smart enough man to know that in 40 years, we'll probably know that a lot of foriegn nations knew about 911, that some folks in the USA knew, and that it happened for a lot more reasons than "they hate our freedoms".
But his job is to kick the shit out of them NOW, and that's it. Let the bloggers and historians discover who knew what, and who benefitted more. HH6's job is to blow shit up and get home to his dog, who is worth more to him than 70 million afghans.
I used to shit on him for it, but really, honestly, I love my cat more than I lover 23 million iraqis. It's true. We all play our position. He plays his well. He knows some CTs are real, but all that would is undermine the job he has do each day.
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History shows that most of these CTs are true. We just don't find out about it until 40-50 years later when everyone involved is dead or in diapers.
HH6 love sthe USA, and does his best to work in the PRESENT. He's a smart enough man to know that in 40 years, we'll probably know that a lot of foriegn nations knew about 911, that some folks in the USA knew, and that it happened for a lot more reasons than "they hate our freedoms".
But his job is to kick the shit out of them NOW, and that's it. Let the bloggers and historians discover who knew what, and who benefitted more. HH6's job is to blow shit up and get home to his dog, who is worth more to him than 70 million afghans.
I used to shit on him for it, but really, honestly, I love my cat more than I lover 23 million iraqis. It's true. We all play our position. He plays his well. He knows some CTs are real, but all that would is undermine the job he has do each day.
You're a moron. There are wonderful people all over this world. It would be fucking hell if the world was only populated with one race or one culture.
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Hey dick weed. I talk to my buddies daily. And yes i believe more than the majority of service men under 30 years old do distrust our government. I know you'd rather be serving with zombie pushover's.
How do you explain the highest amount of donations from all service men going to ron paul? Are those guys all ct'ers too?
I serve with these guys dude....ur wrong, end of story.
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I serve with these guys dude....ur wrong, end of story.
He knows what hundreds of thousands of military personnel think. LOL. ::)
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More so then u...douche...more so the u. I'm pretty convinced a soldier took ur girl.
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More so then u...douche...more so the u. I'm pretty convinced a soldier took ur girl.
There's a sucker born every minute. You might know plenty of soldiers that spoon fed the kool aid like yourself. But there are probably a lot more that are increasingly skeptical of their government and leaders. Here's the bottomline dipshit.....you're loyal to your government. I'm loyal to my country. There's a BIG difference. And your failure to see this difference is obvious in all of your posts and regurgitated verbal diarrhea of serving my country this and serving my country that.
P.S. I've been with my fiance for 10 years buddy.
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Do u want a cookie...I'm loyal to the constitution dipshit. Really, whats it like not to matter.
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Do u want a cookie...I'm loyal to the constitution dipshit. Really, whats it like not to matter.
LMAO! Wow that's hilarious!
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[...]I'm loyal to the constitution[...]
How can you claim to be loyal to the constitution if you're bound (since you swore the military oath I presume) by the UCMJ? Are you talking about the GI Joe-HH6 or his civilian version? Because I hate to tell you, but your civilian version has a very bellicose and shoot-it-if-it-looks-at-you-funny attitude. I presume you can't or are unable to turn the military switch off. Anyways, I still do not understand how you can say "I am loyal" to the constitution if your rhetoric goes against some of its basic points.
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First off Slapper...I do my job. I won't burn a village or disregard the UCMJ or violate the ROE in any way. I am also free to voice my opinion on this board. Based on ur post, I know u know the difference.
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First off Slapper...I do my job. I won't burn a village or disregard the UCMJ or violate the ROE in any way. I am also free to voice my opinion on this board. Based on ur post, I know u know the difference.
Yes, but if your "job" entails chopping someone's head off... Do you do it because you do what you're told or not do it because you know it's wrong and goes against the constitution?
Which one of the two are you?
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My job does not in any way involve chopping heads off..or burning villages or killing civilians. No orders go out like that..no missions are planned like that and nobody would do it. In the heat of combat, people get in the way, shit happens. I never even let my guys flatten cars in Iraq, with our tanks.
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My job does not in any way involve chopping heads off..or burning villages or killing civilians.
Ok, let me ask you again: If your superiors gave you an order to level out and burn an entire village in Iraq (ala My Lai or No Gun Ri, where there were American atrocities committed against civilian refugees or captured soldiers) would you do it or drop the gun and say "no"?
No orders go out like that[...]
What?! :o :o
You mean "ever" or just in the case of Iraq? Because I'll have you know it has happened before. Many times too.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/coldwar/images/military_memo.jpg)
...no missions are planned like that and nobody would do it. In the heat of combat, people get in the way, shit happens. I never even let my guys flatten cars in Iraq, with our tanks.
I not asking you about "collateral damage", I'm asking you if you were explicitly asked to "level" a town with everything in it, would you do it?
The question is simple.
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Ok, let me ask you again: If your superiors gave you an order to level out and burn an entire village in Iraq (ala My Lai or No Gun Ri, where there were American atrocities committed against civilian refugees or captured soldiers) would you do it or drop the gun and say "no"?
What?! :o :o
You mean "ever" or just in the case of Iraq? Because I'll have you know it has happened before. Many times too.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/coldwar/images/military_memo.jpg)
I not asking you about "collateral damage", I'm asking you if you were explicitly asked to "level" a town with everything in it, would you do it?
The question is simple.
Dude war is evil. American soldiers did some evil acts in WWII. The bombing of Dresden was at the hands of the US military. We dropped bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I see your point but at the same time I don't think for a second a majority of soldiers would kill innocent people without question. Yes it happens and there are some shitty, morally bankrupt soldiers...........just look at Abu Graib. But to say the US military indiscriminately bombs towns and villages is unfair.
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Ok, let me ask you again: If your superiors gave you an order to level out and burn an entire village in Iraq (ala My Lai or No Gun Ri, where there were American atrocities committed against civilian refugees or captured soldiers) would you do it or drop the gun and say "no"?
What?! :o :o
You mean "ever" or just in the case of Iraq? Because I'll have you know it has happened before. Many times too.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/coldwar/images/military_memo.jpg)
I not asking you about "collateral damage", I'm asking you if you were explicitly asked to "level" a town with everything in it, would you do it?
The question is simple.
There is no obligation to follow an unlawful order.
Pretty wild hypothetical. It doesn't happen. Yes there have been war crimes in the past, but our soldiers are not ordered to "'level' a town with everything in it." Doesn't happen. That would be a violation of ROE.
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Why don't we revisit No Gun Ri. And what happened there. The North was pouring into the South and they had sent ahead saboteurs and spies mixed with the thousands of refugees fleeing NKPA troops. These folks began shooting at American and South Korean army troops to the extent that it began to stall our push north. US troops were put in a horrible position. Vietnam was an all together different story. Today that shit doesn't happen. We don't operate that way. Haditha and the investigation proved our guys didn't murder people. We've had very few problems in iraq. The ones we've had have been delt with swiftly and severly.
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Dude war is evil. American soldiers did some evil acts in WWII. The bombing of Dresden was at the hands of the US military. We dropped bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I see your point but at the same time I don't think for a second a majority of soldiers would kill innocent people without question. Yes it happens and there are some shitty, morally bankrupt soldiers...........just look at Abu Graib. But to say the US military indiscriminately bombs towns and villages is unfair.
No, I'm not saying the entire military is like that. And believe me, I had to listen to looooong documentaries to reach conclusion. What I am saying is that given the cirsumstances every American soldier should be given the choice to drop their guns if asked to do things that are against our constitution without any fear of reprisal. Of course you're never going to hear your superior tell you "kills all those innocent human beings right over there using all these artillery shells", they will most likely use more succinct or evasive language that will get the same result: You will be doing the killing.
And every time they go on their little corporate wars these military types need to STOP using the "we're doing it for our country" bullshit. No you're not. You're a tool. Wanna know what the patriotic thing to do would be? To treat others (in other countries of course... except New Jeisy) like you'd like to be treated.
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There is no obligation to follow an unlawful order.
Pretty wild hypothetical. It doesn't happen. Yes there have been war crimes in the past, but our soldiers are not ordered to "'level' a town with everything in it." Doesn't happen. That would be a violation of ROE.
Of course that's not going to happen!
We fly plane over huge residential building complex, tell our boy-toy that there's a group of towelheads building an atomic bomb and GI Joey from Secaucus drops 2 tons of bombs on people. Superior goes "Ooooops. Wrong coordinates" and the world just keeps going as though nothing happened. Joey the soldier has no idea what he just did and the superiors just play dumb. The investigation ends up going nowhere because of "official" obstacles and nothing happens. No massacre is denounced anywhere, even though PEOPLE DIE.
(http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/02/iraqi-children.jpg)
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If ur gonna post bs like that please tie everything u posted to direct US violence or a an action by US forces that caused it. How much of that was cause by the terrorist shitbags. Libs like u will never ever get it.
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BB and HH, two biggest idiots here. just completely clueless.
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Yep we're idiots, all this from a CT nut jub who melts after 2 or 3 negative post and sides with terrorist shitbags and guys like Hugo Chavez...ok Hugo whatever u say.
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Yep we're idiots,
yes, you are.
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Yawn. ::)
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I guess we could do this all day....but I guess u'd still be liberal wackjob after its all over.