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Title: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 01:37:21 PM
Lately I jog and my knee begin to get hurt. It has not happened before,never.
Is there another bber who has same experience?
Advice will be well appreciated.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: freespirit on January 23, 2009, 01:39:11 PM
Go biking.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: QuakerOats on January 23, 2009, 01:39:27 PM
bad for the knees AND shins, just walk fast or go hiking, there's a big heavyset dude in my gym running on the treadmill a lot lately and hasn't lost shit, still as fat as before.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: mass 04 on January 23, 2009, 01:40:55 PM
200 lbs what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though running sucks.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 01:41:32 PM
Go biking.
bicycle hits my quads too much and i feel burn in my quads and I am afraid of overtraining my quads. But hey, why not.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 01:43:57 PM
bad for the knees AND shins, just walk fast or go hiking, there's a big heavyset dude in my gym running on the treadmill a lot lately and hasn't lost shit, still as fat as before.
Thanx.
I am thinking about it now. But, when it comes to burn my fat, running always gave me a super rapid effect. I think there is a huge difference between treadmill running and running outside. I dont know why. but try it, you will know it.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: ManBearPig... on January 23, 2009, 01:45:01 PM
Kyomu, do you sway your hips just a little too much when you "jog"?  You strike me as the type.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 01:45:59 PM
200 lbs what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though running sucks.

Strictly saying, my weight is not 90kg(200lbs) anymore. Today Paco weighted me and that was 87kg. But my knee hurts enough with running. :-\
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: gordiano on January 23, 2009, 01:46:26 PM
Lately I jog and my knee begin to get hurt. It has not happened before,never.
Is there another bber who has same experience?
Advice will be well appreciated.

Yep. Running is VERY hard on your knees. I tell this to anyone who will listen. Notice most runners are very skinny. For People with some muscle (i.e. bbers), it's not a good idea. I figure I'll save my knees for leg day.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 01:47:24 PM
Kyomu, do you sway your hips just a little too much when you "jog"?  You strike me as the type.
I dont know, I cant see myself from back ;D

But, swaying hip too much has something to do with knee injury?
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Method101 on January 23, 2009, 01:48:45 PM
Go swimming or try rowing machine.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: gordiano on January 23, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
bad for the knees AND shins, just walk fast or go hiking, there's a big heavyset dude in my gym running on the treadmill a lot lately and hasn't lost shit, still as fat as before.

There's one at my gym, who's been running for a while. He has lost a LOT of weight. Problem is, he doesn't weight train. So, he's gone from obese, to skinny fat. Has no muscle to speak of, and everything just sags.... :-\
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 23, 2009, 01:48:56 PM
i had this before....

playing tennis @ 170 lbs is one thing

jogging at 200-220 is atrocious on your knees

better walk 4cardio
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: ManBearPig... on January 23, 2009, 01:49:17 PM


But, swaying hip too much has something to do with knee injury?

God, you're Asian.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 01:49:28 PM
Yep. Running is VERY hard on your knees. I tell this to anyone who will listen. Notice most runners are very skinny. For People with some muscle (i.e. bbers), it's not a good idea. I figure I'll save my knees for leg day.
Thanx.
Yeah, when my knee doesnt hurt, my weight was around 75kg. Hell!almost 15kg more now! :o
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: gordiano on January 23, 2009, 01:50:23 PM
Elliptical machines are great. You can go hard, while saving your knees. Try 'em Kyomu.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: krendan on January 23, 2009, 01:50:58 PM
how do you run? heels first or do you touch the ground with the toes first? that can make a lot of difference
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: freespirit on January 23, 2009, 01:51:26 PM
Thanx.
Yeah, when my knee doesnt hurt, my weight was around 75kg. Hell!almost 15kg more now! :o


Maybe you need supplements for your joints? Like glucosamine?
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 01:52:50 PM
Elliptical machines are great. You can go hard, while saving your knees. Try 'em Kyomu.
Yeah. I sometime do, but something different from running(I mean running stimulate way more.). :-\ If my knee dont hurt, still i take running.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 01:53:37 PM
how do you run? heels first or do you touch the ground with the toes first? that can make a lot of difference
heels
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 01:56:25 PM

Maybe you need supplements for your joints? Like glucosamine?
Mmmmm,but this time I would know if 171cm guy with almost 200lbs running is unatural or not.
If its not natural, i should avoid. Simple.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Mars on January 23, 2009, 01:58:57 PM
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Danimal77 on January 23, 2009, 02:00:12 PM
Quaker Oats, have you ever jogged at 300 pounds???? That guy on the treadmill who has lost SHIT must be eating like SHIT. I've been jogging for a few months and have reduced my overall bodyweight from 220 pounds to 172 pounds.. The SHIT DOES work. My joints (knees, ankles, feet, hips) hurt SO BAD when I was jogging at over 200 pounds and even into my 190's, but when I dipped below 193 pounds they stopped hurting...

This Kyomu guy who weighs 200 pounds as 5'7" is still TOO heavy to be jogging, or too WEAK to swallow the pain. Come on, suck it up.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Method101 on January 23, 2009, 02:00:59 PM
get some glucosamine+chondroitin for sure.


btw. Yes 200lbs is alot of stress on the knees. I used to go on 10 mile runs 4 times a week before i even started lifting weights, and it only felt comfortable on my knees when i was around 180lbs @ 6ft.2. If i went running now i would be in pain.

You could try running on grass and use good running trainers.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: krendan on January 23, 2009, 02:01:17 PM
try changing your technique then, it will kill your calves first, but it's the right way to do, because by runing on your heels you will stress the knees a lot more
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 02:03:01 PM
try changing your technique then, it will kill your calves first, but it's the right way to do, because by runing on your heels you will stress the knees a lot more
so, I should land from the toes you mean?
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 02:04:34 PM
get some glucosamine+chondroitin for sure.


btw. Yes 200lbs is alot of stress on the knees. I used to go on 10 mile runs 4 times a week before i even started lifting weights, and it only felt comfortable on my knees when i was around 180lbs @ 6ft.2. If i went running now i would be in pain.

You could try running on grass and use good running trainers.
yes, maybe grass or beach. beach is good. Paco recomended me also. Chics are there also. ;D
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Meso_z on January 23, 2009, 02:04:45 PM
Lately I jog and my knee begin to get hurt. It has not happened before,never.
Is there another bber who has same experience?
Advice will be well appreciated.

just walk!
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: krendan on January 23, 2009, 02:16:42 PM
http://www.momentumsports.co.uk/TtRunTechnique.asp
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
http://www.momentumsports.co.uk/TtRunTechnique.asp
Thank you very very much. ;)
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Figo on January 23, 2009, 02:32:50 PM
Try rollerblading

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Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 02:34:07 PM
Try rollerblading

(http://media.timeoutnewyork.com/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/661/661.web.gay10.rollerblade.jpg?)
Nah. rollerblading dont estimulate cardio system that much. I did it.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Figo on January 23, 2009, 02:38:50 PM
Nah. rollerblading dont estimulate cardio system that much. I did it.

Skateboarding ???

(http://www.wiskate.com/news/data/upimages/ph6,30,01skateboarders.jpg)
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 02:40:57 PM
Skateboarding ???

(http://www.wiskate.com/news/data/upimages/ph6,30,01skateboarders.jpg)
hahaha! These shomoes certainly can jog! ;D
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Samourai Pizzacat on January 23, 2009, 02:51:16 PM
Kyomu, for cycling, you might want to raise your saddle a bit. It sounds like it's too low which puts a lot of stress on the quads. When using a SPD type of pedal, a lot of power is generated with the hamstrings and not with the quads like normal flat pedals. 

Select a small gear, aim for a cadence (crankset RPM) of around 100.

edit: for running you really want to get yourself a pair of proper running shoes, they have far better cushioning and roll than normal sneakers.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 23, 2009, 03:11:11 PM
Kyomu, for cycling, you might want to raise your saddle a bit. It sounds like it's too low which puts a lot of stress on the quads. When using a SPD type of pedal, a lot of power is generated with the hamstrings and not with the quads like normal flat pedals. 

Select a small gear, aim for a cadence (crankset RPM) of around 100.

edit: for running you really want to get yourself a pair of proper running shoes, they have far better cushioning and roll than normal sneakers.
Thanx for your advice.
As you say, I already discover that the seat should be set higher for avoiding the full range of movement of quads.
For me,The cycling or using that kind of machine always dont stimulate that much like running or climbing stair.
Lately,also I start shadow boxing and hitting the sand bag again. these two stimulate a lot since twisting movement is included in punching.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: EL Mariachi on January 23, 2009, 03:15:36 PM
Lately I jog and my knee begin to get hurt. It has not happened before,never.
Is there another bber who has same experience?
Advice will be well appreciated.

wow what a beast hahah
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 23, 2009, 04:00:11 PM
Wear really good shoes.  Try a shoe like Brooks Beast.  They are made for big guys.  All real athletes run.  I would start with the ok of a doctor walking fast on a treadmill.  Treadmills have some give in them.  Try walking at 3.8 MPH to 4.0 MPH if possible.  Every quarter mile go up 1% grade.  Your last lap is a cool down one on a level grade like your first quarter mile lap.  When you can do this workout to grade 12% I guarantee you will be able to begin a serious running program. 

Many guys who are new to running don't have don't have the support muscles developed.  I have heard many guys starting running programs that they are sore in the abs and lower back. 


200lbs is hardly big considering there are 260lbs. plus football and basketball players that can run a sub 6 minute mile.

When you get into really good shape you might be able to get into high intensity running in the form of sprint intervals. 

See a doctor concerning your knees.  Maybe ultimately another form of cardio will suit you better like biking.  I have found that nothing burns fat faster than hard running. 
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: leonp1981 on January 23, 2009, 04:23:46 PM
I don't like running, hurts my knees as well, although I've always had problems with my knees.  I prefer to go out on my bike, or hit the punchbag.  If you live near some good terrain, hiking up some hills is good too.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on January 23, 2009, 04:27:18 PM
Im only 185 pounds but if i try to jog my calves get so badly pumped i have to stop. I just do cardio on a recumbent bike or elliptical.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: calfzilla on January 23, 2009, 04:30:22 PM
Jogging at 200lbs should not be a problem.  Maybe at 260+ but not 200. 
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Kwon on January 23, 2009, 04:33:52 PM
God, you're Asian.

What a newsflash.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Earl1972 on January 23, 2009, 04:54:19 PM
i jogged all summer, never again my shins and feet took a beating

E
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: KevinP85 on January 23, 2009, 06:03:49 PM
Lately I jog and my knee begin to get hurt. It has not happened before,never.
Is there another bber who has same experience?
Advice will be well appreciated.

Maybe if you would stop sucking Pacos' cock, your knees would be fine ;D




Kyomu, just messing with ya bro ;D
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: ManBearPig... on January 23, 2009, 06:35:20 PM
i jogged all summer, never again my shins and feet took a beating

E

maybe you should use some kind of padding when you stop at the park to blow a few guys during your run, eh "Earl"?
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: chaos on January 23, 2009, 06:37:42 PM
Lately I jog and my knee begin to get hurt. It has not happened before,never.
Is there another bber who has same experience?
Advice will be well appreciated.
Buy a mountain bike, you cheap ass jew.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: ManBearPig... on January 23, 2009, 06:40:25 PM
Buy a mountain bike, you cheap ass jew.

A spanish speaking asian jew.  Is that worse than a black jew?
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Earl1972 on January 23, 2009, 06:42:58 PM
maybe you should use some kind of padding when you stop at the park to blow a few guys during your run, eh "Earl"?

save any big cock pics to your hard drive lately "power rod"?

E
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: ManBearPig... on January 23, 2009, 06:45:32 PM
save any big cock pics to your hard drive lately "power rod"?

E

no need, i can just look up some of your posts in GayBay's gay sex threads.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: pedro01 on January 23, 2009, 06:46:48 PM
Strong quads help your knees out if you are running. Running does not make your legs strong enough for running... if that makes sense. You need to supplement your running with weights - but I presume you already do that 'cause you are on here.

Most of all though, make sure your hams and calves are nice & flexible. Stretch the calves & hams a few times a day. If you are doing any stretching for the quads - stop it. Don't do it.

Try this for a few weeks - morning & night get your calves & hams nicely stretched but do not stretch your quads, ever.

Running does tighten your calves & your hams and they end up pulling on your knee from behind and this causes a lot of knee pain. This may or may not be your problem but it's worth a try.

Good luck.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: pedro01 on January 23, 2009, 06:48:22 PM
I don't like running, hurts my knees as well, although I've always had problems with my knees.  I prefer to go out on my bike, or hit the punchbag.  If you live near some good terrain, hiking up some hills is good too.

Dbol will do that....  ;)
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: chaos on January 23, 2009, 06:49:29 PM
A spanish speaking asian jew.  Is that worse than a black jew?
Sammy Davis was alright by me.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Earl1972 on January 23, 2009, 06:53:24 PM
no need, i can just look up some of your posts in GayBay's gay sex threads.

good luck finding these "posts" ;)

E
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: leonp1981 on January 23, 2009, 08:35:56 PM
Dbol will do that....  ;)

 ???
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Kwon on January 23, 2009, 09:26:49 PM
no need, i can just look up some of your posts in GayBay's gay sex threads.

What's with this fascination for big cocks, "Power Rod"?
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 24, 2009, 02:00:12 AM
Strong quads help your knees out if you are running. Running does not make your legs strong enough for running... if that makes sense. You need to supplement your running with weights - but I presume you already do that 'cause you are on here.

Most of all though, make sure your hams and calves are nice & flexible. Stretch the calves & hams a few times a day. If you are doing any stretching for the quads - stop it. Don't do it.

Try this for a few weeks - morning & night get your calves & hams nicely stretched but do not stretch your quads, ever.

Running does tighten your calves & your hams and they end up pulling on your knee from behind and this causes a lot of knee pain. This may or may not be your problem but it's worth a try.

Good luck.
Very good reply. Thanx.
You are right. Cus I feel pain at the hamstring tendon also. Maybe thats why i should stretch and i didnt do any. Because, i have never had problem with my knee since now. I try what you say.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 24, 2009, 02:04:10 AM
Jogging at 200lbs should not be a problem.  Maybe at 260+ but not 200. 
But its depend on your height no? If my height is 160cm, 200lbs is obviously overweight.
Thats why I asked with my height 171cm.
If its still not problem,i try many stretch and running with different tecnics.
If it is,just stop running. Simple.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Bobby on January 24, 2009, 05:41:51 AM
Strong quads help your knees out if you are running. Running does not make your legs strong enough for running... if that makes sense. You need to supplement your running with weights - but I presume you already do that 'cause you are on here.

Most of all though, make sure your hams and calves are nice & flexible. Stretch the calves & hams a few times a day. If you are doing any stretching for the quads - stop it. Don't do it.

Try this for a few weeks - morning & night get your calves & hams nicely stretched but do not stretch your quads, ever.

Running does tighten your calves & your hams and they end up pulling on your knee from behind and this causes a lot of knee pain. This may or may not be your problem but it's worth a try.

Good luck.

why should you not stretch the quads ?
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 24, 2009, 06:35:37 AM
why should you not stretch the quads ?
Good question.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Hedgehog on January 24, 2009, 07:30:31 AM
Lately I jog and my knee begin to get hurt. It has not happened before,never.
Is there another bber who has same experience?
Advice will be well appreciated.

171 cm? :o

You're very tall for being a chinaman.

BTW, I saw Kill Bill 2 last night, thought it was awesome.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Mars on January 24, 2009, 07:58:59 AM
im 1.85
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 24, 2009, 08:04:45 AM
171 cm? :o

You're very tall for being a chinaman.

BTW, I saw Kill Bill 2 last night, thought it was awesome.
Bruce Lee is same height as me though...
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: flagadajones on January 24, 2009, 08:10:30 AM
Lately I jog and my knee begin to get hurt. It has not happened before,never.
Is there another bber who has same experience?
Advice will be well appreciated.

oh man here we go again  ::)


i guess cockomu expects us to be in awe at how huge he must be you know, to have his knees hurt when he jogs because of all this humongous muscular mass he sports...
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 24, 2009, 08:38:37 AM
oh man here we go again  ::)


i guess cockomu expects us to be in awe at how huge he must be you know, to have his knees hurt when he jogs because of all this humongous muscular mass he sports...
I dont have to prove anything here like ALEX or another guys.

Thats why I will be on stage again.

If I want to brag, I will post my pics weeks later and I will brag about me on purpose.
Plus I consider that my real weight is my weight on stage. Not now.
In bbing, how you look is the most important thing, not the weight. Hope you learn bit more.

Look, 171cm 200lbs with a bit of visual abs is totaly nothing special in BBing.
If you think it is, you are a pencil neck who envy about others.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: pedro01 on January 25, 2009, 06:40:22 AM
why should you not stretch the quads ?

A couple of reasons.

First of all, you want your quads to be tight to support the knee, you don't want your quads & calves/hams pulling the knee from both directions, the quads must dominate.

Second is that the most common stretches for the quads are also stretching the ligaments in the knee. Ligaments are a bit like leather - once you stretch them, they don't go back.

Finally, it is rare indeed that your quads get so tight that it would cause problems.

I trained with a guy who was in the 4 x 100 metre relay in the Atlanta Olympics - he helped me get back into shape after a knee op. A lot of the stuff we did was power exercises - but he put me onto why runners get knee pain and explained why most people don't need to stretch their quads. He's also a qualified doctor.

You have to do weights too - he's the guy that told me running does not give your muscles the strength they need to support your running.

Since following his advice, I have had knee pain only on the occasions I didn't bother keeping my hams & calves stretched. Stretching is, after all, boring as batshit.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: TooMuchMuscle4U on January 25, 2009, 06:42:12 AM
Deca should help with joints. Winny will not.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 25, 2009, 07:16:30 AM
A couple of reasons.

First of all, you want your quads to be tight to support the knee, you don't want your quads & calves/hams pulling the knee from both directions, the quads must dominate.

Second is that the most common stretches for the quads are also stretching the ligaments in the knee. Ligaments are a bit like leather - once you stretch them, they don't go back.

Finally, it is rare indeed that your quads get so tight that it would cause problems.

I trained with a guy who was in the 4 x 100 metre relay in the Atlanta Olympics - he helped me get back into shape after a knee op. A lot of the stuff we did was power exercises - but he put me onto why runners get knee pain and explained why most people don't need to stretch their quads. He's also a qualified doctor.

You have to do weights too - he's the guy that told me running does not give your muscles the strength they need to support your running.

Since following his advice, I have had knee pain only on the occasions I didn't bother keeping my hams & calves stretched. Stretching is, after all, boring as batshit.
Good post. Thanx.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: Bobby on January 25, 2009, 07:52:07 AM
A couple of reasons.

First of all, you want your quads to be tight to support the knee, you don't want your quads & calves/hams pulling the knee from both directions, the quads must dominate.

Second is that the most common stretches for the quads are also stretching the ligaments in the knee. Ligaments are a bit like leather - once you stretch them, they don't go back.

Finally, it is rare indeed that your quads get so tight that it would cause problems.

I trained with a guy who was in the 4 x 100 metre relay in the Atlanta Olympics - he helped me get back into shape after a knee op. A lot of the stuff we did was power exercises - but he put me onto why runners get knee pain and explained why most people don't need to stretch their quads. He's also a qualified doctor.

You have to do weights too - he's the guy that told me running does not give your muscles the strength they need to support your running.

Since following his advice, I have had knee pain only on the occasions I didn't bother keeping my hams & calves stretched. Stretching is, after all, boring as batshit.

interesting points!

i will stop quad stretching and see what happens...

Did he not stretch hams & calves either?
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: ironneck on January 25, 2009, 08:14:24 AM
im 1.85


best height

i'm 177cm
would love to be 185,i'm lucky that i am taller than most girls.if i was 171cm like kyomu i would kill myself
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 25, 2009, 08:23:18 AM

best height

i'm 177cm
would love to be 185,i'm lucky that i am taller than most girls.if i was 171cm like kyomu i would kill myself
Haha. What a exaggerate.
I know some of shorter guys who are dating with hot chics. Plus I was surrounded by chics when i was a go go dancer in some night clubs in Barcelona. Sly and Tom Cruize are like my height and all the girls of chics are always wet when they were around.
What do you say?
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: lovemonkey on January 25, 2009, 08:25:29 AM

best height

i'm 177cm
would love to be 185,i'm lucky that i am taller than most girls.if i was 171cm like kyomu i would kill myself

Why don't you kill yourself already looking like this??
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: ironneck on January 25, 2009, 08:27:34 AM
Why don't you kill yourself already looking like this??

pretty good looking guy to me
post a pic bitch
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: kyomu on January 25, 2009, 02:15:30 PM
A couple of reasons.

First of all, you want your quads to be tight to support the knee, you don't want your quads & calves/hams pulling the knee from both directions, the quads must dominate.

Second is that the most common stretches for the quads are also stretching the ligaments in the knee. Ligaments are a bit like leather - once you stretch them, they don't go back.

Finally, it is rare indeed that your quads get so tight that it would cause problems.

I trained with a guy who was in the 4 x 100 metre relay in the Atlanta Olympics - he helped me get back into shape after a knee op. A lot of the stuff we did was power exercises - but he put me onto why runners get knee pain and explained why most people don't need to stretch their quads. He's also a qualified doctor.

You have to do weights too - he's the guy that told me running does not give your muscles the strength they need to support your running.

Since following his advice, I have had knee pain only on the occasions I didn't bother keeping my hams & calves stretched. Stretching is, after all, boring as batshit.
Today I stretch my hams a lot and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than yesterday. You are completely right!
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: pedro01 on January 25, 2009, 08:38:18 PM
interesting points!

i will stop quad stretching and see what happens...

Did he not stretch hams & calves either?

He did stretch hams & calves.

Basically, loosen the hams & calves, keep the quads tight. The pull from the muscles at the back of the knee can cause knee pain.
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: pedro01 on January 25, 2009, 08:39:11 PM
Today I stretch my hams a lot and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than yesterday. You are completely right!
Thank you very much!

Glad to hear that. Don't forget the calves too though !
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: DAMY on January 25, 2009, 08:45:37 PM
I find that if your knees hurt when you run, you may be dehydrated due to a current, recent or developing illness, just the body a little out of balance.

Perhaps you simply need a couple of weeks off to give the knees a rest. For sure running all the time isn't recommended.

The body is so complex, there are so many variables, who the hell knows.

If you can't not do cardio work, try an elliptical/x trainer, whatever you wanna call it. Kill lots of calories without putting undue pressure on the knees.


DAMY
Title: Re: 171cm 200lbs jogging is very dangerous for knees?
Post by: The Coach on January 25, 2009, 08:47:06 PM
For women. IMO, this could also apply to men as well.





Should Most Women Run Long Distances?
Michael Boyle
I really like Physical Therapist Diane Lee's quote 'you can't run to get fit, you need to be fit to run". In fact I've used it in numerous presentations and articles. It really resonates with me. Simple, to the point.


I'm going to take the idea one step further. I'm not sure most women should run. When I say this in seminars it really pisses off the female runners. However, the truth is I'm not worried about female runners as much as I am worried about coaches and trainers encouraging or worse yet forcing females to run. If you are a female runner and healthy, read on but realize that you may be the exception, not the rule.


I'm going to go from bad to worse. Here's a riddle for you.
Q- What do most elite female runners look like? A- Elite men runners


Ever ask yourself why? I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Women who run successfully for long periods of time were probably made to run. They look very much like men runners. Good female runners generally do not look like plus size models. They are generally not tall. It's not a question of cause and effect, it's a question of natural selection. You can't run to get that runners body. It's actually reversed. You have to have that runners body to survive running.


Why do I say this? Two simple reasons. Anatomy and physics. My favorite two sciences. No matter how hard you try or how well you eat, you can't change your skeleton. The problem with most women and running comes down to something they call Q angle in sportsmedicine. I won't bore you with the details but it boils down to this. Wider hips make for narrow knees. This angle of hip to knee creates problems. Problems are magnified based on number of steps. The average person gets about 1500 foot strikes per mile. You do the math on a 5 mile run. Running produces forces in the area of two to five times bodyweight per foot contact. Do we need more math than that?


Lets go back to our elite female runner. Look at her body. You will generally see two things. She has narrow hips and she has small breasts. I know, there may be exceptions but, at the elite level I doubt it. One thought process would say "great, my hips and breasts will decrease in size if I run". The other thought process is more logical. Women with larger breasts and wider hips don't make good runners. It the same logic as why there are no large gymnasts or figure skaters. Physics. Big people would rotate slower. Natural selection rules out.


So what happens when a "normal" woman begins to run? She becomes a statistic. She becomes a physical therapy client as she tries to shovel you-know-what against the tide. Her wider knees cause her to develop foot problems or knee problems. Her greater bodyweight causes greater ground reaction forces. Greater ground reaction forces stress muscle tissue and breast tissue. Get my drift yet. The end result might be hurt and saggy instead of the runners body.


The bottom line. Distance unning is not good for most females. If you want higher intensity exercise, ride a stationary bike. Take a spin class, use a stairclimber, don't run.


PS- the best stuff is the hard stuff. Use the AirDyne Bike or the StepMill. Don't take the easy way out.




Should Women Run? Part 2


My "Should Women Run Column" hopefully made some people think. One person followed up and said it took guts to take a stand like that. Others were not so complimentary. Check out Nancy Toby's blog entry from Jan 4, 2007.


"Want to get pissed off? Get a load of this article


I'll bet that dinosaur is real popular with his female clients, eh? I'll get right on that stationary bike, you betcha. Yeah, since I'm training for that Olympic stationary bike competition, after all."


Unfortunately, this is the problem with writing. Oftentimes people read what they want to read. They interpret it through a personal lens. Nancy took my article as an attack on her and those like her. Nancy is a runner and has completed a marathon. She is exactly the type of person who I would expect to have a negative response. I'm not going to blame my editor here but, the title of the piece I submitted was "Should Women Run?" The title was deliberately phrased as a question.


The reality is that whether you are a male or female endurance athlete, training can lead to overuse injury. My point is that the female bodytype puts them at greater risk. Was my article intended to be a chauvinist rant aimed at demeaning women? No, exactly the opposite. It is meant as a word to the wise.


Here is another interesting thought for which I have only anecdotal support. The running and aerobics boom of the late seventies corresponded directly with a huge boom in the practice of physical therapy. More exercise led to more injuries in our more is better world. People weren't happy with a run. It had to be a Marathon. It is tough to look at something you enjoy and realize that it may not be good for you. I had the same experience in the eighties. I realized that exercises like squats, bench presses and deadlifts may not be good for you long term. I have also written about this on websites devoted to serious weightlifters and have generated the same type of negative feedback.


Sorry Nancy, I'm not a dinosaur. I'm actually a coach and educator who is not afraid to take an unpopular stance. I've actually coached some of the best female athletes in the world. I worked with the Gold Medal Olympic teams in Women's Ice Hockey in 1998 and Women's Soccer in 2004. Actually I think I'm very popular with the female athletes I coach. One reason I'm very popular with them is that we rarely did endurance training. And you know what, they stayed very healthy.


So while I'm generating hate mail, let me take my Neanderthal opinions a step further. I think most endurance training is questionable also. I don't allow my athletes to run distances. I think it produces primarily a negative response. Conditioning is developed far better by interval training than by steady state work. How's that for blog fodder. I wonder if women should run and if anyone should ever run far. Have fun bashing me. I'll be on the lookout.


PS- You can tell Julia that business is fine.


Should Women Run Part 3


This is the third and final installment of my "Should Women Run" series. First things first. I'm not saying stop running. The purpose of this series is to promote a cautious, thoughtful attitude, not to stop those who are running pain-free from continuing.


However, it is clear that the majority of those females who take up running do so as a weight loss/ weight control method. The point of these articles is explore the idea that running may be a poor exercise choice for weight loss as a participant and even worse, a poor recommendation for a client if you are a trainer.


A group of researchers at the Natick Army Labs in Natick, Ma published a 1994 study in which they noted, "Studies of runners and other physically active groups have consistently demonstrated that greater duration and frequency of exercises are associated with higher risks of injury" (1). In other words the more often and farther you run, the more likely you are to be injured. More importantly, they also noted that women were six to ten times more likely to be injured than men. Coincidence? I think not. It goes back to the anatomical concepts discussed in part one of this series.


I understand that people were offended by both my language and their perception of my views but, that does not change the facts. More is not better, particularly not for women. Women are six to ten times more likely to be injured in endurance training than men.


I didn't make this up. These are facts based on research. The risks for females are statistically greater. My detractors have called me a Neanderthal, and a "nut-case idiot". Other respondents have labeled my first article a "piece of crap. None of the personal attacks can alter the facts. As Bill Belichek is fond of saying, "it is what it is".


A few more facts to clear up. The previously mentioned Nancy Toby says "He (that would be me) "claims" to have "coached some of the best female athletes in the world." Sorry, I'm not trying to be self serving but I don't claim to have coached some of the best female athletes in the world, I have coached them. Check my resume. It is not a claim. Toby goes on to state that "it does nothing to substantiate my point". In reality it does everything to substantiate my point. My job was to prepare some of the best female athletes in the world and in doing so I study science like the above cited study. The results of my research have caused me to use running with great caution. Interval running is the best tool for conditioning available. However, distance running is an activity that should be approached with caution. You need to look at your goals or the goals of your client. Does distance running coincide with the stated goals? If the goal is to run a road race, then running is a necessity. If the goal is fat loss or increased conditioning, distance running may not be the first choice. It really comes down to choosing the right tool for the job. I have a saying that I like. "Chainsaws are a bad choice for moulding". Wrong tool for the job. Too rough for fine work. Distance running may be the wrong choice for most females if they are running for weight control or fitness.


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