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This is funny. Now Obama and his party have their panties in a bunch over an entertainer. Jay Leno is next. ::)
Dems launch anti-Limbaugh petition
Posted: 12:20 PM ET
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
Democrats are launching a petition against Limbaugh over his recent comments.
(CNN) – In a bid to capitalize on Rush Limbaugh's recent comment that he hopes President Obama "fails," national Democrats launched a petition drive Wednesday taking direct aim at the conservative radio host.
"Jobs, health care, our place in the world — the stakes for our nation are high and every American needs President Obama to succeed," says the petition, sponsored by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "Stand strong against Rush Limbaugh's Attacks — sign our petition, telling Rush what you think of his attacks on President Obama."
Limbaugh told listeners last week he sharply disagrees with Republicans who have said they hope Obama succeeds as president, and particularly expressed frustration over what he viewed as the "absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care."
"If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down," Limbaugh said. "I hope he fails."
The comment sparked outrage in Democratic circles, while defenders of the remark said it was made purely in the context of Obama's economic polices.
Still, the DCCC petition not only provides an outlet for Democratic anger at Limbaugh, but also serves as a vehicle to gain names and e-mail addresses, presumably for later use in fundraising and organizing efforts.
The petition follows reports Obama warned GOP congressional leaders last week that they should stop listening to the conservative talker, prompting Limbaugh’s response that the new president is "frightened of me."
“He’s obviously more frightened of me than he is [Senate Minority Leader] Mitch McConnell,” Limbaugh told listeners Monday. “He’s more frightened of me, then he is of say, [House Minority Leader] John Boehner, which doesn’t say much about our party.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/28/dems-launch-anti-limbaugh-petition/#more-37594
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I remember when Bush got all upset over a worthless group like moveon.org.
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I remember when Bush got all upset over a worthless group like moveon.org.
did the reps start a petition against them?
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This is a bad move strategically and its reactive instead of responsive.
He's giving RUSH more power by acknowledging he has influential power.
It would have been better to just ignore him publicly and undermine him between the lines.
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This is a bad move strategically and its reactive instead of responsive.
He's giving RUSH more power by acknowledging he has influential power.
It would have been better to just ignore him publicly and undermine him between the lines.
Precisely. They are empowering him.
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did the reps start a petition against them?
yes they did.
Congress Votes to Condemn MoveOn.org
Last week the Senate voted to condemn MoveOn for their attack against General Petraeus. (Roll call and text of Resolution is at that link)
Today, the House followed suit in a vote of 341 voting to condemn MoveOn.org, 79 voting against denouncing them and 12 that didn't vote.
Introduced by repub John Boehner.
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Precisely. They are empowering him.
agreed - that's exactly what they are doing
dumb move
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LOL........He's in their heads!
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yes they did.
Congress Votes to Condemn MoveOn.org
Last week the Senate voted to condemn MoveOn for their attack against General Petraeus. (Roll call and text of Resolution is at that link)
Today, the House followed suit in a vote of 341 voting to condemn MoveOn.org, 79 voting against denouncing them and 12 that didn't vote.
Introduced by repub John Boehner.
but not in response to bushes statements huh?
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LOL........He's in their heads!
Certainly is.
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but not in response to bushes statements huh?
A vote of 341 to 79 is a bipartisan vote.
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Both sides look dumb when they do this but I think the motivation is the same either way.
The Repugs thought they were defending Petraeus and the Dems feel they are defending Obama.
If they really want to help Obama they should line up and pass the legislation that he wants and stop with the show boating
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It's pretty ironic because the libs claim to be all about civil liberties and freedom of speech and tolerance and acceptance and diversity, blah blah blah etc. etc. etc. Yet here they are wanting to silence a voice of dissent. Yet another example of their hypocrisy and self-delusion.
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It's pretty ironic because the libs claim to be all about civil liberties and freedom of speech and tolerance and acceptance and diversity, blah blah blah etc. etc. etc. Yet here they are wanting to silence a voice of dissent. Yet another example of their hypocrisy and self-delusion.
Liberals hate free speech.
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Liberals hate free speech.
Ain't that the truth.
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Ain't that the truth.
yeah, that is pretty ironic considering it's usually the Repugs who hate free speech.
You know, guys like Newt and McCain and Bush etc...
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yeah, that is pretty ironic considering it's usually the Repugs who hate free speech.
You know, guys like Newt and McCain and Bush etc...
Examples please?
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yeah, that is pretty ironic considering it's usually the Repugs who hate free speech.
You know, guys like Newt and McCain and Bush etc...
At least Conservatives make no bones about it--they don't put on this bullshit front like they're all tolerant and accepting of stupid points of view. Like when that idiot MTV reporter asked Newt the "Boxers or briefs?" question that had previously been posed to Bill Clinton, Newt replied, "That's a stupid question and you're stupid for asking it." 8)
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yeah, that is pretty ironic considering it's usually the Repugs who hate free speech.
You know, guys like Newt and McCain and Bush etc...
Wasnt' it clinton and Tipper Gore who tried to censor rap music and books???
Isnt it colleges that ban conservative speakers and throw things at them?
Isnt it liberal college professors and students who push "hate speech codes" on campuses?
Isnt it liberals who try to shut down all debate over alleged "climate change"????
You want more examples?
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"If they really want to help Obama they should line up and pass the legislation that he wants and stop with the show boating"
No. Please look at the details of the bill. This is supposed to be a stimulus only bill but Pelosi and others cramed it full of their pet projects. Its insulting.
The House Democrats' bill includes $335 million for sexually transmitted disease education and prevention programs at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. How the hell is this economic stimulation? And they wonder why we can trust the gov!
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Examples please?
Newt comments at (of all things) dinner honoring people who stood up for free speech:
http://www.observer.com/node/36491
McCain - one example would be the granny who was given a citation for trying to wear a shirt that said McCain = Bush (still not clear why McCain who was running as a Repug for Prez would have a problem being compared to the current Repug Prez)
Bush - setting up the ironically (or tragically) named"free speech zones" when he traveled so that people who opposed his view were quarantined from events
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"If they really want to help Obama they should line up and pass the legislation that he wants and stop with the show boating"
No. Please look at the details of the bill. This is supposed to be a stimulus only bill but Pelosi and others cramed it full of their pet projects. Its insulting.
The House Democrats' bill includes $335 million for sexually transmitted disease education and prevention programs at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. How the hell is this economic stimulation? And they wonder why we can trust the gov!
you know that all sorts of shit (not necessarily pork) gets put into larger bills. I don't know how that 335 million is going to be spent. Isn't it possible they would be creating new jobs. It is afterall an education program. Maybe they will be hiring teacher and writers and other people
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you know that all sorts of shit (not necessarily pork) gets put into larger bills. I don't know how that 335 million is going to be spent. Isn't it possible they would be creating new jobs. It is afterall an education program. Maybe they will be hiring teacher and writers and other people
This is turning out to be a leviathon.
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Bush whined about moveon.org
Obama whined about Rush
Not much difference here guys.
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This is turning out to be a leviathon.
yeah - no doubt Congress has a bad habit (on both sides of the aisle) of loading up these large bills with all kinds of stuff. I agree we should be very precise and strategic in how we spend our money. I think there might also be the strategy of putting stuff in so that it can be taken out later as a concession
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Bush whined about moveon.org
Obama whined about Rush
Not much difference here guys.
there really is no difference and I think (hopefully) in both cases the objection was to the content of the speech and not about the right to speak (or write).
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there really is no difference and I think (hopefully) in both cases the objection was to the content of the speech and not about the right to speak (or write).
Most power mad politicians hate free speech, debate, and openess.
That is why the first amendment is the most important of all.
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This is a bad move strategically and its reactive instead of responsive.
He's giving RUSH more power by acknowledging he has influential power.
It would have been better to just ignore him publicly and undermine him between the lines.
I actually disagree.
Slamming back hard and heavy is what historically has been proven to work.
They get in charge of the agenda, and gets Limbaugh on the defence.
Regardless, they will come across as the Alpha males.
Compare it to someone who decided to ignore false allegations - Dukakis.
He was the target of a smear campaign that suggested that he somehow was responsible for setting a black murderer free and who killed again.
Dukakis choosed to ignore the accusations, 'stay above it'.
But to this day he's probably credited by those lies.
So hitting back - and hitting real fcuking hard - that's how you can beat attacks.
Frankly, I think Obama and his guys represent a generation of politicians that fully understands the power of the old and new media.
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Obama does not want a food fight with Limbaugh. Limbaugh will come out way ahead on that.
Zero will be seen as getting in the mud with a radio host, and limbaugh will get even bigger ratings and expose the farce that is the stimulus bill being pushed.
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Obama does not want a food fight with Limbaugh. Limbaugh will come out way ahead on that.
Zero will be seen as getting in the mud with a radio host, and limbaugh will get even bigger ratings and expose the farce that is the stimulus bill being pushed.
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Limbaugh is an uneducated opinionated idiot who has found a following of idiots who think like him
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Limbaugh is an uneducated opinionated idiot who has found a following of idiots who think like him
That is why Obama should not get in a food fight with him.
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Liberals hate free speech.
Don't generalize.......Republi can Conservatives have been known to not like free speech, when it is something they don't want to hear
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Obama does not want a food fight with Limbaugh. Limbaugh will come out way ahead on that.
Zero will be seen as getting in the mud with a radio host, and limbaugh will get even bigger ratings and expose the farce that is the stimulus bill being pushed.
Who are you refering to as Zero?
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Bush whined about moveon.org
Obama whined about Rush
Not much difference here guys.
Exept that Moveon is a huge organization and Rush is just one person ::)
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That is why Obama should not get in a food fight with him.
True.... :-X
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Exept that Moveon is a huge organization and Rush is just one person ::)
Rush's influence > Moveon's influence.
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When they institute the Fairness Doctrine Rush won't be a problem. :D
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I actually disagree.
Slamming back hard and heavy is what historically has been proven to work.
They get in charge of the agenda, and gets Limbaugh on the defence.
Regardless, they will come across as the Alpha males.
Compare it to someone who decided to ignore false allegations - Dukakis.
He was the target of a smear campaign that suggested that he somehow was responsible for setting a black murderer free and who killed again.
Dukakis choosed to ignore the accusations, 'stay above it'.
But to this day he's probably credited by those lies.
So hitting back - and hitting real fcuking hard - that's how you can beat attacks.
Frankly, I think Obama and his guys represent a generation of politicians that fully understands the power of the old and new media.
great post
you could be spot on
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This is funny. Now Obama and his party have their panties in a bunch over an entertainer. Jay Leno is next. ::)
Dems launch anti-Limbaugh petition
Posted: 12:20 PM ET
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
Democrats are launching a petition against Limbaugh over his recent comments.
(CNN) – In a bid to capitalize on Rush Limbaugh's recent comment that he hopes President Obama "fails," national Democrats launched a petition drive Wednesday taking direct aim at the conservative radio host.
"Jobs, health care, our place in the world — the stakes for our nation are high and every American needs President Obama to succeed," says the petition, sponsored by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "Stand strong against Rush Limbaugh's Attacks — sign our petition, telling Rush what you think of his attacks on President Obama."
Limbaugh told listeners last week he sharply disagrees with Republicans who have said they hope Obama succeeds as president, and particularly expressed frustration over what he viewed as the "absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care."
"If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down," Limbaugh said. "I hope he fails."
The comment sparked outrage in Democratic circles, while defenders of the remark said it was made purely in the context of Obama's economic polices.
Still, the DCCC petition not only provides an outlet for Democratic anger at Limbaugh, but also serves as a vehicle to gain names and e-mail addresses, presumably for later use in fundraising and organizing efforts.
The petition follows reports Obama warned GOP congressional leaders last week that they should stop listening to the conservative talker, prompting Limbaugh’s response that the new president is "frightened of me."
“He’s obviously more frightened of me than he is [Senate Minority Leader] Mitch McConnell,” Limbaugh told listeners Monday. “He’s more frightened of me, then he is of say, [House Minority Leader] John Boehner, which doesn’t say much about our party.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/28/dems-launch-anti-limbaugh-petition/#more-37594
Gee, and I always thought the libs were always in favor of free speech ::)
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Gee, and I always thought the libs were always in favor of free speech ::)
free speech is great
it's the content of the speech and not the "speaking" part that matters
I encourage everyone to state exactly what they believe and why they believe it
and never restrict freedom to express an opinion no matter how crazy it might seem
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free speech is great
it's the content of the speech and not the "speaking" part that matters
I encourage everyone to state exactly what they believe and why they believe it
and never restrict freedom to express an opinion no matter how crazy it might seem
Exept if your a republican/conservative.
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Exept if your a republican/conservative.
Go on youtube and listen to Ice T' "Freedom of Speech"
Great song. He blasts Gore, Clinton and Bush.
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I think there is no accident that Limbaugh is becoming a target for the Democrats.
Actually, I believe it's an extremely shrewd move by the Democrats to target Rush Limbaugh, and using him to get to the Republicans.
There will be very hard to find a Democrat bad mouthing Palin, or even McCain.
Because that would make the Democrats look bad.
The Democrats have their own "Karl Roves mastermind" who probably figured out - and they are spot on IMO - that if the Democrats can keep associate the Republicans with guys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, Cheney and other neocons, it will be very hard for the Republicans to wash away their old image.
Is that why Karl Rove was subpoened? I doubt it. But it won't hurt the Democrats to have his mug in TV hearings talking about the Bush administration.
In the past, Limbaugh was always the big game hunter. My guess is that these last few weeks are only the beginning of him being the prey.
This is my point about the Democrats being very media savvy. It used to be that they were owned by the Republicans in that area, but not so much anymore.
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Exept if your a republican/conservative.
everyone means everyone
quit pretending to be a victim
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I think there is no accident that Limbaugh is becoming a target for the Democrats.
Actually, I believe it's an extremely shrewd move by the Democrats to target Rush Limbaugh, and using him to get to the Republicans.
There will be very hard to find a Democrat bad mouthing Palin, or even McCain.
Because that would make the Democrats look bad.
The Democrats have their own "Karl Roves mastermind" who probably figured out - and they are spot on IMO - that if the Democrats can keep associate the Republicans with guys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, Cheney and other neocons, it will be very hard for the Republicans to wash away their old image.
Is that why Karl Rove was subpoened? I doubt it. But it won't hurt the Democrats to have his mug in TV hearings talking about the Bush administration.
In the past, Limbaugh was always the big game hunter. My guess is that these last few weeks are only the beginning of him being the prey.
This is my point about the Democrats being very media savvy. It used to be that they were owned by the Republicans in that area, but not so much anymore.
Ha ha. Obama is already screwing up so badly limbaugh will be an afterthought . Obama is very quickly becoming the guy who oversold and underdelivered.
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I think there is no accident that Limbaugh is becoming a target for the Democrats.
Actually, I believe it's an extremely shrewd move by the Democrats to target Rush Limbaugh, and using him to get to the Republicans.
There will be very hard to find a Democrat bad mouthing Palin, or even McCain.
Because that would make the Democrats look bad.
The Democrats have their own "Karl Roves mastermind" who probably figured out - and they are spot on IMO - that if the Democrats can keep associate the Republicans with guys like Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, Cheney and other neocons, it will be very hard for the Republicans to wash away their old image.
Is that why Karl Rove was subpoened? I doubt it. But it won't hurt the Democrats to have his mug in TV hearings talking about the Bush administration.
In the past, Limbaugh was always the big game hunter. My guess is that these last few weeks are only the beginning of him being the prey.
This is my point about the Democrats being very media savvy. It used to be that they were owned by the Republicans in that area, but not so much anymore.
I disagree. Rush Limbaugh isn't the leader of the party. He doesn't set any agenda. He doesn't speak for the party. He's radio talk show host. That's it. The fact he is being targeted by Obama and Democrats smacks of desperation and very bad advice.
I agree that fighting and hitting hard is good strategy, but they need to target the right people.
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I disagree. Rush Limbaugh isn't the leader of the party. He doesn't set any agenda. He doesn't speak for the party. He's radio talk show host. That's it. The fact he is being targeted by Obama and Democrats smacks of desperation and very bad advice.
I agree that fighting and hitting hard is good strategy, but they need to target the right people.
Re-read my post.
I never claimed Limbaugh was the actual leader of the Republican Party.
I just stated that Democrats are using a sort of a dirty "guilt by association" tactics with Limbaugh and the GOP.
IMHO, I think you can expect the Democrats to continue to try to pin Rush Limbaugh to the Republican Party, and as a symbol for it.
Right or wrong, that's what I think they will do, and IMO, it is a move that should score them easy points.
Should the Democrats debate real issues with the real leaders of the serious GOP?
Of course, that would be preferable.
But they're part of the same political culture as the Republican Karl Rove.
As for Rush Limbaugh - the guy won't recover.
He's dead weight to the Republicans right now, and they will probably "disown" (sp?) him shortly.
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I disagree. Rush Limbaugh isn't the leader of the party. He doesn't set any agenda. He doesn't speak for the party. He's radio talk show host. That's it. The fact he is being targeted by Obama and Democrats smacks of desperation and very bad advice.
I agree that fighting and hitting hard is good strategy, but they need to target the right people.
Really...Targeted by Obama... ::)
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Re-read my post.
I never claimed Limbaugh was the actual leader of the Republican Party.
I just stated that Democrats are using a sort of a dirty "guilt by association" tactics with Limbaugh and the GOP.
IMHO, I think you can expect the Democrats to continue to try to pin Rush Limbaugh to the Republican Party, and as a symbol for it.
Right or wrong, that's what I think they will do, and IMO, it is a move that should score them easy points.
Should the Democrats debate real issues with the real leaders of the serious GOP?
Of course, that would be preferable.
But they're part of the same political culture as the Republican Karl Rove.
As for Rush Limbaugh - the guy won't recover.
He's dead weight to the Republicans right now, and they will probably "disown" (sp?) him shortly.
I understood your post. I wasn't saying you called him the leader of the party. I was trying to say they (Democrats) need to focus on the party's leader(s) and not some entertainer. They might as well target an actor like Dennis Miller.
I actually agree with you that they need to hit back. I don't agree the target should be a radio talk show host.
Limbaugh won't recover from what? The guy makes a gazillion dollars a year. He has been the 800 pound gorilla on radio for about 20 years now. He's not going anywhere.
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Really...Targeted by Obama... ::)
Yes, really:
“You can’t just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done,” he told top GOP leaders, whom he had invited to the White House to discuss his nearly $1 trillion stimulus package.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/23/obama-gop-limbaugh/
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Yes, really:
“You can’t just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done,” he told top GOP leaders, whom he had invited to the White House to discuss his nearly $1 trillion stimulus package.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/23/obama-gop-limbaugh/
thats a comment.. nothing more. a sound byte.. not a god damn witch hunt.
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thats a comment.. nothing more. a sound byte.. not a god damn witch hunt.
Who called it a witch hunt?
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Nope but we're talking about it and he's all over the news..CNBC..Fox MSNBC talking about his commenst, people talking about him, Conservative radio..the un-Fairness doctrine etc etc. Obama shouldn't worry about an entertainer/editorialist when trying to build bi-partisian support on a bill.
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Who called it a witch hunt?
"Targeted" carrys a connotation as if they are holding meetings on how to stop Rush...like seriously. He gave a 1 sentence comment on Rush. Not my definition of Targeting someone.
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I understood your post. I wasn't saying you called him the leader of the party. I was trying to say they (Democrats) need to focus on the party's leader(s) and not some entertainer. They might as well target an actor like Dennis Miller.
I actually agree with you that they need to hit back. I don't agree the target should be a radio talk show host.
Limbaugh won't recover from what? The guy makes a gazillion dollars a year. He has been the 800 pound gorilla on radio for about 20 years now. He's not going anywhere.
LOL
Very good point.
However, I think he just might going out in the cold this time.
You remember the Bush ranch bet we had?
And I was gonna admit I was wrong?
It's only 3-4 months away IMO (if he hasn't moved by May, then I will say I'm wrong, mmmkey?).
Howabout this: If by your opinion Rush Limbaugh is out in the cold and a persona non grata in the GOP, by the end of May, you will admit you were wrong and eat your Hawaiian lei. 8)
Deal?
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"Targeted" carrys a connotation as if they are holding meetings on how to stop Rush...like seriously. He gave a 1 sentence comment on Rush. Not my definition of Targeting someone.
It's not just a comment. When the most powerful man in the world speaks, the entire world is the stage. I think he was clearly trying to make some kind of political point. It was misguided.
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LOL
Very good point.
However, I think he just might going out in the cold this time.
You remember the Bush ranch bet we had?
And I was gonna admit I was wrong?
It's only 3-4 months away IMO (if he hasn't moved by May, then I will say I'm wrong, mmmkey?).
Howabout this: If by your opinion Rush Limbaugh is out in the cold and a persona non grata in the GOP, by the end of May, you will admit you were wrong and eat your Hawaiian lei. 8)
Deal?
Not sure I can make this deal, because it assumes that Rush Limbaugh occupies a prominent position in the GOP. He doesn't. He holds no office. No title. I never hear Republican leaders (House, Senate, etc.) talk about him. So I guess you're talking about ratings? If so, I'll make that deal. I will eat a plate full of vegetables if he sees a significant drop in his ratings by May. :)
We'll give Dubya till May to move to Paraguay. Never gonna happen.
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haha... who was the ksisass senator who disagreed with rush on hardball, then CALLED IN to rush to apologize? hahahaha
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This is funny. Now Obama and his party have their panties in a bunch over an entertainer.
Dems launch anti-Limbaugh petition
Finally the Truth! :-*
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Not sure I can make this deal, because it assumes that Rush Limbaugh occupies a prominent position in the GOP. He doesn't. He holds no office. No title. I never hear Republican leaders (House, Senate, etc.) talk about him. So I guess you're talking about ratings? If so, I'll make that deal. I will eat a plate full of vegetables if he sees a significant drop in his ratings by May. :)
We'll give Dubya till May to move to Paraguay. Never gonna happen.
And I will eat a full plate of Swedish Meatballs come May. 8)
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It's not just a comment. When the most powerful man in the world speaks, the entire world is the stage. I think he was clearly trying to make some kind of political point. It was misguided.
Yeah you are putting a lot on it beach...