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for the AF to launch jet fighters to 29K feet?
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Um....well I have no idea but I can google it like u did...or I can just sit back and laugh because I've made u into an internet stalker. U've been "themed", have a nice day.
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lol . . . stalker . . . :D
I think he believes in that 911 CT stuff?
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oh brother... ::)
I used to work with a guy... he was a brilliant programmer (he called himself more of a "hacker" than a programmer) but in every other aspect of life he seemed to be pretty clueless. His level of scientific ignorance was alarming. I mean me and the other guys would have these deep discussions about off-the-wall topics related to physics, cosmology, etc. and he would just not have a clue what we were going on about. And not surprisingly, he seemed to fall for every CT that came down the pike. Chemtrails, aliens running the world governments, you name it.
So my point being... I think that's pretty typical of those CT types. They're so ignorant that they fail to see all the countless flaws and impossibilities in their pet conspiracies.
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for the AF to launch jet fighters to 29K feet?
::) lol
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CT is just defined by what year we're in.
In the 1970s, people who said the Gulf of Tonkenw as staged event were known as CTers.
Today, our govt blamed a mid-level paperwork error for the attack, and admits we were never fired on.
We were in a war, many died, much $ spent - because of a paperwork error. And back then, your dads probably mocked the damn hippies and called them CTers for believing something we wouldn't admit for 40 years.
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Nope my dad was trying to figure out the SAM belt around Hanoi......and 240 if we ever sat down and had a beer or two I have enough odd CT shit about WMD's and other things to curl ur hair...but as far as 911. Let it go....
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Nope my dad was trying to figure out the SAM belt around Hanoi......and 240 if we ever sat down and had a beer or two I have enough odd CT shit about WMD's and other things to curl ur hair...but as far as 911. Let it go....
fair enough. I'm a liquor guy, myself.
I think the main reason the 911 truthers have so much passion is that they hear Dubya and Rudy on TV every other day using 911 as their excuse for Pat act and every other military spending thing.
If it was like OK City, they'd smell bullshit, shrug it off as a case of bullshit, and call it a day. Rubbing the big lie in everyone's face every day is what keeps the 911 kids motivated, really. They'll probably lose interest bigtime now that it's not being tossed in their face every 5 minutes. obama sure doesn't cite it much.
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fair enough. I'm a liquor guy, myself.
I think the main reason the 911 truthers have so much passion is that they hear Dubya and Rudy on TV every other day using 911 as their excuse for Pat act and every other military spending thing.
If it was like OK City, they'd smell bullshit, shrug it off as a case of bullshit, and call it a day. Rubbing the big lie in everyone's face every day is what keeps the 911 kids motivated, really. They'll probably lose interest bigtime now that it's not being tossed in their face every 5 minutes. obama sure doesn't cite it much.
You can't handle the truth!
Seriously, you showed that you can't , you rather believe any BS someone throws at you just to make yourself stand out of the regular crowd.
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You can't handle the truth!
Seriously, you showed that you can't , you rather believe any BS someone throws at you just to make yourself stand out of the regular crowd.
I don't believe dubya was controlling planes that AM.
But I do believe for some reason, he chose to ignore that really specific warning he got 6 weeks before. When the feds deliver a memo to you with lights blaring in the middle of the night - you read it. When that same memo comes from 2 allies that same night, you pay attention.
it's either gross, gross neglect - and I doubt that - or they got the pearl harbor they wanted. Who knows.
I don't buy into the silly CT stuff about aliens, etc. I do believe sometimes people let small, bad things happen to prevent bigger things later. You know, set up a few dozen bases and 100k men in a region about one generation before they discover the internet, stop killing each other over a book, and start shutting us outta the oil.
But hey, IFBbwannaB, that's probably something you disagree with. You don't think a leader would be able to do that. Cool. that's your opinion.
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Nope my dad was trying to figure out the SAM belt around Hanoi......and 240 if we ever sat down and had a beer or two I have enough odd CT shit about WMD's and other things to curl ur hair...but as far as 911. Let it go....
that means surface to air missile..boom!!!
My dad was a navy pilot in nam...
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LMAO! It was a pretty simple fucking question. It has nothing to do with conspiracy bullshit. If you are such a staunch military expert how long does it take for the United States to scramble a fighter jet to ward off an enemy target such as an incoming nuclear threat or yes another airplane. It should be a rather simple question as billions of dollars and countless years of military research and planning go into it. Again I don't know the answer that's why I was inquiring to the go to go military expert analytical getbig representative.
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I don't believe dubya was controlling planes that AM.
But I do believe for some reason, he chose to ignore that really specific warning he got 6 weeks before. When the feds deliver a memo to you with lights blaring in the middle of the night - you read it. When that same memo comes from 2 allies that same night, you pay attention.
it's either gross, gross neglect - and I doubt that - or they got the pearl harbor they wanted. Who knows.
I don't buy into the silly CT stuff about aliens, etc. I do believe sometimes people let small, bad things happen to prevent bigger things later. You know, set up a few dozen bases and 100k men in a region about one generation before they discover the internet, stop killing each other over a book, and start shutting us outta the oil.
But hey, IFBbwannaB, that's probably something you disagree with. You don't think a leader would be able to do that. Cool. that's your opinion.
You do realize that there are other people that form the goverment than Bush right?
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Stalker... LOL
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You do realize that there are other people that form the goverment than Bush right?
condi admitted under oath that she and bush were handed the memo.
she said she then handed it to rummy and didn't read it. he said he handed it to ashcroft, who denied reading it. they pointed fingers for a week and the matter was dropped.
Nobody read it. That's their story. Do you believe ANY document would arrive like that, middle of night with sirens, and 4 of the top 6 leaders of america wouldn't read it? nahhhh
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condi admitted under oath that she and bush were handed the memo.
she said she then handed it to rummy and didn't read it. he said he handed it to ashcroft, who denied reading it. they pointed fingers for a week and the matter was dropped.
Nobody read it. That's their story. Do you believe ANY document would arrive like that, middle of night with sirens, and 4 of the top 6 leaders of america wouldn't read it? nahhhh
It doesn't matter, even if they all read it and even supposedly gave an order to ignore it.
9/11 happend in MUCH lower levels, air traffic controllers, people coming to work in WTC, airport security and so on.
Everyone were in the loop?
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LMAO! It was a pretty simple fucking question. It has nothing to do with conspiracy bullshit. If you are such a staunch military expert how long does it take for the United States to scramble a fighter jet to ward off an enemy target such as an incoming nuclear threat or yes another airplane. It should be a rather simple question as billions of dollars and countless years of military research and planning go into it. Again I don't know the answer that's why I was inquiring to the go to go military expert analytical getbig representative.
Ur melting shitbag...melting.....wa aaaaaaaa. The answer is who cares. Or the answer can be found on the net, where u found it. Debating u is like debating a plant.
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It doesn't matter, even if they all read it and even supposedly gave an order to ignore it.
Wow. that is some messed up thinking.
We voted in Bush to protect us. "It doesn't matter" if he let 3000 people die?
"It doesn't matter" if a member of our govt gave an order to allow a terror act to occur?
That is illegal, in case you didn't know that.
I don't konw what else to say. I really don't. That quote says it all about you.
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Wow. that is some messed up thinking.
We voted in Bush to protect us. "It doesn't matter" if he let 3000 people die?
"It doesn't matter" if a member of our govt gave an order to allow a terror act to occur?
That is illegal, in case you didn't know that.
I don't konw what else to say. I really don't. That quote says it all about you.
Whether the government was forewarned, knew about it or not isn' the point. The point is the military's response was absolutely terrible. They can't shoot down two airliners before they crash into buildings but are supposed to be able to protect us against nuclear attack and terrorism?
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Whether the government was forewarned, knew about it or not isn' the point.
maybe it's not your point. It is my point.
If any american knew of the attacks and assisted in making them happen by giving an 'order to ignore', as we know dubya did in that execu order in hollywood FL to call off the dogs monitoring Atta...
then this american committed treason. They helped terrorists kill americans.
I don't know why people are so cool with leaders who don't stop attacks. They SWEAR to protect us. It's their job. They take an oath, and get a paycheck, and part of that job description is to stop attacks.
I am SHOCKED that people are just cool if an 'order to ignore' was given. Shocked.
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Well we've rolled up AQI and kept this country safe. But ur right we're a 3rd rate power with a military that can't hold up against the Pakistani army.
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maybe it's not your point. It is my point.
If any american knew of the attacks and assisted in making them happen by giving an 'order to ignore', as we know dubya did in that execu order in hollywood FL to call off the dogs monitoring Atta...
then this american committed treason. They helped terrorists kill americans.
I don't know why people are so cool with leaders who don't stop attacks. They SWEAR to protect us. It's their job. They take an oath, and get a paycheck, and part of that job description is to stop attacks.
I am SHOCKED that people are just cool if an 'order to ignore' was given. Shocked.
No you're absolutely right. My point was we can sit there and argue about who knew what, when etc. Bottomline is someone knew something and our military, intelligence, government failed the American people.
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Well we've rolled up AQI and kept this country safe. But ur right we're a 3rd rate power with a military that can't hold up against the Pakistani army.
The Chinese, Russian and Iranian armies are all better than ours, outdated equipment and all! :P
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Well we've rolled up AQI and kept this country safe. But ur right we're a 3rd rate power with a military that can't hold up against the Pakistani army.
LMAO! What nonsense.
How big, then, is AQI? The most persuasive estimate I've heard comes from Malcolm Nance, the author of The Terrorists of Iraq and a twenty-year intelligence veteran and Arabic speaker who has worked with military and intelligence units tracking al-Qaeda inside Iraq. He believes AQI includes about 850 full-time fighters, comprising 2 percent to 5 percent of the Sunni insurgency. "Al-Qaeda in Iraq," according to Nance, "is a microscopic terrorist organization."
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No you're absolutely right. My point was we can sit there and argue about who knew what, when etc. Bottomline is someone knew something and our military, intelligence, government failed the American people.
bottom line is that condi admitted getting that memo, on the red-eye from DC to crawford in middle of night from FBI with sirens blaring.
Then she told 911 commission she didn't read it.
Bush was in the room. fbi agent said bush said "you've covered your ass, goodnight".
Condi said she gave it to rummy.
Rummy said he gave it to ashcroft.
All 4 say they didn't read it.
This same memo came from isr and ger that same day.
This memo is redacted/blacked out regarding the details. In 40 years, we'll get the declassified version, and it'll list what germany said it lists - names, dates, targets, means of attack.
And all of us CTers, 70 years old in diapers, will see we were right. it'll be ancient history by then of course. Just like nobody cared about govt admitting Tonken never happened to start vietnam.
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The Chinese, Russian and Iranian armies are all better than ours, outdated equipment and all! :P
No one is arguing that they are better or more powerful or any of that shit. But you guys act like we can take over the world with your stupid macho bullshit. Our fucking country is bankrupt and we can't afford our 6000 military bases all over the world. Iran wouldn't be a cakewalk to if we went to war with them.
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No you're absolutely right. My point was we can sit there and argue about who knew what, when etc. Bottomline is someone knew something and our military, intelligence, government failed the American people.
And they know about hundreds of others things everyday that don't end up coming true.
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No one is arguing that they are better or more powerful or any of that shit. But you guys act like we can take over the world with your stupid macho bullshit. Our fucking country is bankrupt and we can't afford our 6000 military bases all over the world. Iran wouldn't be a cakewalk to if we went to war with them.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ::)
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And they know about hundreds of others things everyday that don't end up coming true.
It's deeper than that. If you are clueless on the subject please don't post generic retorts that offer absolutely zero evidence regarding 9/11. Afterall, you are a "Mod" on a political forum.
PBS: NSA could have prevented 9/11 hijackings
Raw Story
January 27, 2009
The super-secretive National Security Agency has been quietly monitoring, decrypting, and interpreting foreign communications for decades, starting long before it came under criticism as a result of recent revelations about the Bush administration's warrantless wiretapping program. Now a forthcoming PBS documentary asks whether the NSA could have prevented 9/11 if it had been more willing to share its data with other agencies.
Author James Bamford looked into the performance of the NSA in his 2008 book, The Shadow Factory, and found that it had been closely monitoring the 9/11 hijackers as they moved freely around the United States and communicated with Osama bin Laden's operations center in Yemen. The NSA had even tapped bin Laden's satellite phone, starting in 1996.
"The NSA never alerted any other agency that the terrorists were in the United States and moving across the country towards Washington," Bamford told PBS.
PBS also found that "the 9/11 Commission never looked closely into NSA's role in the broad intelligence breakdown behind the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. If they had, they would have understood the full extent to which the agency had major pieces of the puzzle but never put them together or disclosed their entire body of knowledge to the CIA and the FBI."
In a review of Bamford's book, former senator and 9/11 Commission member Bob Kerrey wrote, "As the 9/11 Commission later established, U.S. intelligence officials knew that al-Qaeda had held a planning meeting in Malaysia, found out the names of two recruits who had been present -- Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi -- and suspected that one and maybe both of them had flown to Los Angeles. Bamford reveals that the NSA had been eavesdropping for months on their calls to Yemen, yet the agency 'never made the effort' to trace where the calls originated. 'At any time, had the FBI been notified, they could have found Hazmi in a matter of seconds.'"
Former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer told PBS, "None of this information that we're speaking about this evening's in the 9/11 Commission report. They simply ignored all of it."
Not only was then-Director Michael Hayden never held accountable for the NSA's alleged failure, but he went on to oversee the Bush administration's vast expansion of domestic surveillance. In 2006, he was appointed as director of the CIA.
When asked whether the NSA's warrantless eavesdropping violated FISA law, Hayden insisted, "I have an order whose lawfulness has been attested to by the attorney general, an order whose lawfulness has been attested to by NSA lawyers who do this for a living. No, we're not violating the law. ... I'm asserting that NSA is doing its job."
NSA's power to eavesdrop on ordinary Americans has vastly increased since 2001, and the government's secret watch list now includes over a half a million names. PBS raises serious questions about whether important clues are still being missed simply as a result of the sheer volume of data being collected.
The Spy Factory will be shown over most PBS stations on February 3, 2009 at 8 pm.
The following preview was posted by NOVAonline at YouTube.
NOVA Investigates the NSA
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It's deeper than that. If you are clueless on the subject please don't post generic retorts that offer absolutely zero evidence regarding 9/11. Afterall, you are a "Mod" on a political forum.
First off, I do what ever the fvck I want. If you don't like it too bad, and don't presume to tell me how to post.
Second I'm far from clueless. I've delved into this 9/11 fantasy with many many people hear on this forum for the last 2 years arguing things from Holograms of planes being projected from helicopters flying around the WTC's to secret squads of patriots executing the passengers of the pentagon flight.
What marvels me is the level of ignorance when it comes to CT'ers applying their logic in areas they know little about. There were warnings and huge intelligence failures for many reasons many of which have been addressed and fixed.
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First off, I do what ever the fvck I want. If you don't like it too bad, and don't presume to tell me how to post.
Second I'm far from clueless. I've delved into this 9/11 fantasy with many many people hear on this forum for the last 2 years arguing things from Holograms of planes being projected from helicopters flying around the WTC's to secret squads of patriots executing the passengers of the pentagon flight.
What marvels me is the level of ignorance when it comes to CT'ers applying their logic in areas they know little about. There were warnings and huge intelligence failures for many reasons many of which have been addressed and fixed.
What marvels me is the level of ignorance when it comes to 9/11 apologists applying their logic in areas they know little about.
So everyone who questions the official story is a tin hat wearing conspiracy theorist? I don't want to open up the stupid 9/11 debate but bottomline is if you think 9/11 was a result of "intelligence failures" you are clueless. There is a lot more to the story than that. Failure is a nice word when describing the ineptness and complete incompetence of the U.S. military and the U.S. Government. But you're probably one of the fools that believe buildings pancake at free fall speeds due to planes flying into them. LMAO!
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yeah, 'ct' is a broad title.
Man #1 looks at evidence and realizes wow, Bush chose not to act despite very good intel about 911.
Man #2 lives in mom's basement and spends 23 hours a day studying alien brainwashing theories and all that.
They are both CTers by that general definition, along with men like Coach who believe in a "clinton body count", as he likes to talk about.
Some people group them all together. That's fine. but it's inaccurate. As HH6 will agree - many many CTs are true.
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yeah, 'ct' is a broad title.
Man #1 looks at evidence and realizes wow, Bush chose not to act despite very good intel about 911.
Man #2 lives in mom's basement and spends 23 hours a day studying alien brainwashing theories and all that.
They are both CTers by that general definition, along with men like Coach who believe in a "clinton body count", as he likes to talk about.
Some people group them all together. That's fine. but it's inaccurate. As HH6 will agree - many many CTs are true.
We are not talking about bigfoot or lockness monsters here. We are talking about Government. Skepticism is not the same as conspiracy theory. MK Ultra was real. For anyone to spoonfeed the official 9/11 story is fucking stupid.
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What marvels me is the level of ignorance when it comes to 9/11 apologists applying their logic in areas they know little about.
So everyone who questions the official story is a tin hat wearing conspiracy theorist? I don't want to open up the stupid 9/11 debate but bottomline is if you think 9/11 was a result of "intelligence failures" you are clueless. There is a lot more to the story than that. Failure is a nice word when describing the ineptness and complete incompetence of the U.S. military and the U.S. Government. But you're probably one of the fools that believe buildings pancake at free fall speeds due to planes flying into them. LMAO!
No, if you question the "official story" you are NOT a CT'er. I question the official story and fully support and want another investigation. But I'm not some paranoid idiot who believes that secret agents secretly flew the pentagon flight to a secret base where they disposed of the passengers. When or IF and another investigation is conducted the details and the people who are responsible for these failures will be exposed. What happened on 9/11 was a combination of ineptness and what they were trained and prepared for which wasn't domestic passenger planes flying into buildings, but instead an attack from the Soviet Union on the eastern sea board from the Atlantic.
But you're probably one of the fools that believe buildings pancake at free fall speeds due to planes flying into them. LMAO!
This is a great example of what i was talking about when it comes to people without expertise applying logic to it. Those building did exactly what they should have done. Are you suggesting they were wired to blow? ::) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AH
You should watch that south park episode, it's right up your ally. ;)
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yeah, 'ct' is a broad title.
Man #1 looks at evidence and realizes wow, Bush chose not to act despite very good intel about 911.
Man #2 lives in mom's basement and spends 23 hours a day studying alien brainwashing theories and all that.
They are both CTers by that general definition, along with men like Coach who believe in a "clinton body count", as he likes to talk about.
Some people group them all together. That's fine. but it's inaccurate. As HH6 will agree - many many CTs are true.
Good luck proving that one, because there is much "other" good intel that never happens
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Wow. that is some messed up thinking.
We voted in Bush to protect us. "It doesn't matter" if he let 3000 people die?
"It doesn't matter" if a member of our govt gave an order to allow a terror act to occur?
That is illegal, in case you didn't know that.
I don't konw what else to say. I really don't. That quote says it all about you.
You missed the point, the point being that your CT is BS and doesn't hold water.
What I meant is that even if we go by your CT and believe Bush didn't care, it's still FAR FAR from being enough for that to happen.
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Thats the beauty of a CT..u can never really prove it.
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Thats the beauty of a CT..u can never really prove it.
wrong. we have proof - decalssified docs - that say joint chiefs approved plans to false-flag planes and fake attack in miami to stir up war and invade cuba.
we have proof we were never fired on in tonken
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Thats the beauty of a CT..u can never really prove it.
So genius what is your excuse for MKUltra? More conspiracy theory bullshit. Do you even know what the fuck it is?
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wrong. we have proof - decalssified docs - that say joint chiefs approved plans to false-flag planes and fake attack in miami to stir up war and invade cuba.
we have proof we were never fired on in tonken
And when WTC and building 7 were rigged with explosives? It takes more than six weeks to prepare empty buildings so I guess full buildings will take much much longer. ::)
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And when WTC and building 7 were rigged with explosives? It takes more than six weeks to prepare empty buildings so I guess full buildings will take much much longer. ::)
do you have any clue of what you're talking about ::)
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do you have any clue of what you're talking about ::)
Apparently more than you, I seem to think it's pretty dubious that they managed to rig all the towers for controlled demolition in 6 weeks with no one noticing.
Shit, I can't understand why you would want it to fall like controlled demolition, I thought the more destruction and fear the better? ::)
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Apparently more than you, I seem to think it's pretty dubious that they managed to rig all the towers for controlled demolition in 6 weeks with no one noticing.
Shit, I can't understand why you would want it to fall like controlled demolition, I thought the more destruction and fear the better? ::)
The notion that someone planted thousands of pounds of explosives in these buildings is just stupid. Believe what you want about the non action of the government, but something like planting explosives is just too much.
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The notion that someone planted thousands of pounds of explosives in these buildings is just stupid. Believe what you want about the non action of the government, but something like planting explosives is just too much.
That's what I'm saying.
Not to mention it contradicts the "logic" of the entire CT.
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The notion that someone planted thousands of pounds of explosives in these buildings is just stupid. Believe what you want about the non action of the government, but something like planting explosives is just too much.
we're all entitled to our own opinions.
If you believe that fires caused this building to convert from a free-standing, 47-story skyscraper - into powderized concrete and molten steel less than 50 feet tall - in under 7 seconds - that's your right.
Do I believe any building could do this? No.
Has it ever happened in history? No.
Look at it. It was never mentioned in the 911 Commission report.
Now, I expect you to change the subject. I'd like to say you believe it's entirely possible that a building, from fires, convert like this (in such a uniform manner) in under 7 seconds. But I doubt you even believe that.
(http://911review.org/Storage/Http/www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/wtc7-demolition.gif)
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we're all entitled to our own opinions.
If you believe that fires caused this building to convert from a free-standing, 47-story skyscraper - into powderized concrete and molten steel less than 50 feet tall - in under 7 seconds - that's your right.
Do I believe any building could do this? No.
Has it ever happened in history? No.
Look at it. It was never mentioned in the 911 Commission report.
Now, I expect you to change the subject. I'd like to say you believe it's entirely possible that a building, from fires, convert like this (in such a uniform manner) in under 7 seconds. But I doubt you even believe that.
(http://911review.org/Storage/Http/www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/wtc7-demolition.gif)
Your post reeks of ignorance, you show absolutely no sense of what structural integrity is, shit even human integrity is missing in you too.
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Your post reeks of ignorance, you show absolutely no sense of what structural integrity is, shit even human integrity is missing in you too.
you have said in the past that you're a structural engineer.
you sound like you're really good at your job.
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you have said in the past that you're a structural engineer.
you sound like you're really good at your job.
I said I'm an engineer, not a structural engineer.
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I said I'm an engineer, not a structural engineer.
okay. have a great sunday.
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Your post reeks of ignorance, you show absolutely no sense of what structural integrity is, shit even human integrity is missing in you too.
Owner claimed building was "pulled". Need anymore proof? ::) Post that video up 240.
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Owner claimed building was "pulled". Need anymore proof? ::) Post that video up 240.
When Silverstein said "pull IT" he meant the fire response teams not the building. Didn't you know that when referring to humans we are all "its". ::) :)
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When Silverstein said "pull IT" he meant the fire response teams not the building. Didn't you know that when referring to humans we are all "its". ::) :)
My bad dude. ;D
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I said I'm an engineer, not a structural engineer.
Just because you're an engineer doesn't mean you know fuck all about buildings falling at free fall speed. I mean fuck when was the last time you opened a physics book. Engineers are like anyone else they forget half the shit they learn in school. Engineering spans a wide spectrum of academia and knowledge. My uncle's a mechanical engineer who just finshed his PhD in electical engineering. A demolitionist knows more about how buildings fall than he does.
Besides many engineers lack basic common sense. They are like fucking doctors. Booksmart and sometimes borderline genius. Yet when it comes to something simple in life like asking a girl out they fail miserably. LMAO!
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Just because you're an engineer doesn't mean you know fuck all about buildings falling at free fall speed. I mean fuck when was the last time you opened a physics book. Engineers are like anyone else they forget half the shit they learn in school. Engineering spans a wide spectrum of academia and knowledge. My uncle's a mechanical engineer who just finshed his PhD in electical engineering. A demolitionist knows more about how buildings fall than he does.
Besides many engineers lack basic common sense. They are like fucking doctors. Booksmart and sometimes borderline genius. Yet when it comes to something simple in life like asking a girl out they fail miserably. LMAO!
Well genius, for one thing I actually bodered checking it and the building didn't fall at free fall speed.
You can verify it yourself with very simple kinematic equations.
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Well genius, for one thing I actually bodered checking it and the building didn't fall at free fall speed.
You can verify it yourself with very simple kinematic equations.
well than if they are so simple post em up. what exact speed did the buildings fall at?
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well than if they are so simple post em up. what exact speed did the buildings fall at?
Why should I do your work? You think so highly of yourself, I'm sure you can get a very simple and rough estimate using high school level kinematics.
Simple double integral on g.
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Why should I do your work? You think so highly of yourself, I'm sure you can get a very simple and rough estimate using high school level kinematics.
Simple double integral on g.
Don't worry. McMannus has a PhD in economics and engineering from Harvard/MIT.
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Well genius, for one thing I actually bodered checking it and the building didn't fall at free fall speed.
You can verify it yourself with very simple kinematic equations.
500 foot building hit the ground in under 7 seconds.
Please share your 'simple' equations.
Cause I got $1 that says you sure didn't do any equations ;)
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500 foot building hit the ground in under 7 seconds.
Please share your 'simple' equations.
Cause I got $1 that says you sure didn't do any equations ;)
I'm wondering how they could manage to line buildings that were open 24/7 to employees with enough explosives to bring them down like that without one single person noticing or commenting. There were a lot of people in those buildings at all times of the day. Enlighten me.
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I'm wondering how they could manage to line buildings that were open 24/7 to employees with enough explosives to bring them down like that without one single person noticing or commenting. There were a lot of people in those buildings at all times of the day. Enlighten me.
I was talking science as IFBBwannaB asked.
I'm not going to let you derail that with debates of how the govt could possibly wire a govt building. That's a logistical detail and unrelated to our scientific discussion that HE started.
If you'd like to answer his science Q - why this building did something never before seen in history - I'm all ears.
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I was talking science as IFBBwannaB asked.
I'm not going to let you derail that with debates of how the govt could possibly wire a govt building. That's a logistical detail and unrelated to our scientific discussion that HE started.
If you'd like to answer his science Q - why this building did something never before seen in history - I'm all ears.
I couldn't care less about his science Q. I'd like to know how you think it's possible to line a building that's open 24/7/365 with the explosives required to do it without a single person noticing or commenting on it. This thread was derailed pages ago. It started out with a question about how long it takes a plane to climb to 29k feet.
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I couldn't care less about his science Q.
It was the point of my response to him.
You responded to me, and changed the subject.
If you'd like to discuss the logistics of other things, start a thread on it. The man claims to be an engineer and said he can prove his argument with simple math. I gave him 2 critical inputs and asked to see his math. Your 5 post smokescreen to protect him *(your gimmick?) isn't going to work.
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It was the point of my response to him.
You responded to me, and changed the subject.
If you'd like to discuss the logistics of other things, start a thread on it. The man claims to be an engineer and said he can prove his argument with simple math. I gave him 2 critical inputs and asked to see his math. Your 5 post smokescreen to protect him *(your gimmick?) isn't going to work.
Your inputs were wrong and the answer has already been published.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?
NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).
As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that:
“… the structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.
Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.”
In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass.
From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.
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As for building 7.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tbx2008_1120_wtc7.htm
I even included a link to all of the public comments for you to review.
As you may notice may truthers sent comments and all were included in the report.
http://wtc.nist.gov/comments08/
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good reading, thanks
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500 foot building hit the ground in under 7 seconds.
Please share your 'simple' equations.
Cause I got $1 that says you sure didn't do any equations ;)
You seem scared, why don't you put more than 1$ is you believe in it so much?
Since I'm tired of your BS here are the numbers to shut you up:
Initial speed of the building - Vi=0 , Height of the building - d0=500feet=500/3.3=151meters.
Freefall acceleration - g=9.8m/sec^2. d(t)=d0+vi*t-0.5*g*t^2
Now lets put the inputs inside:
d(7)=151-0.5*9.8*7^2=151-240.1=-89 - This means that the top floor would have been 89 meters underground by the seventh second if it was really freefalling.
Now please delete your account.
http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/Phys/Class/1DKin/U1L6c.html
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Ahh yes,
Events that confound the uninformed mind...lol.
Are we gonna start talking about the hole in the pentagon next and how it's not shaped like a plane? ;D
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Ozmo stop poking the loony bear.
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Ahh yes,
Events that confound the uninformed mind...lol.
Are we gonna start talking about the hole in the pentagon next and how it's not shaped like a plane? ;D
but when Wylie Coyote runs through a boulder he always leave a Wylie Coyote shaped hole in it? your telling me this is wrong? SHIT i gotta go make some calls...
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but when Wylie Coyote runs through a boulder he always leave a Wylie Coyote shaped hole in it? your telling me this is wrong? SHIT i gotta go make some calls...
Good idea, but talk in codes. ;)
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You seem scared, why don't you put more than 1$ is you believe in it so much?
Since I'm tired of your BS here are the numbers to shut you up:
Initial speed of the building - Vi=0 , Height of the building - d0=500feet=500/3.3=151meters.
Freefall acceleration - g=9.8m/sec^2. d(t)=d0+vi*t-0.5*g*t^2
Now lets put the inputs inside:
d(7)=151-0.5*9.8*7^2=151-240.1=-89 - This means that the top floor would have been 89 meters underground by the seventh second if it was really freefalling.
Now please delete your account.
http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/Phys/Class/1DKin/U1L6c.html
Why does 240 always dissapear when posts like this happen?
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Why does 240 always dissapear when posts like this happen?
because I could counter with pages and pages of detailed breakdowns of why WTC7 was physically impossible, from many physicists and mechanical engineers and other structural experts.
That's what we were doing 3 years ago. What is the point?
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because I could counter with pages and pages of detailed breakdowns of why WTC7 was physically impossible, from many physicists and mechanical engineers and other structural experts.
That's what we were doing 3 years ago. What is the point?
Just directly refute the posters mathematical equation with your own knowledge. The poster didn't need "pages and pages" of detailed breakdowns. Explain why his equation is wrong, directly. I'm interested in the discussion.
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Just directly refute the posters mathematical equation with your own knowledge. The poster didn't need "pages and pages" of detailed breakdowns. Explain why his equation is wrong, directly. I'm interested in the discussion.
www.google.com
pointless to debate it at this point. I did it for months and months. big waste of time. there are thousands of people with phds demanding a new investigation, along with 1/2 of the 911 commissioners (including the two co-chairs) who want a 2nd investigation.
IfbbwannaB is an anonymous engineer who is trying to sell a document that even its own authors will not support. Go figure.
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because I could counter with pages and pages of detailed breakdowns of why WTC7 was physically impossible, from many physicists and mechanical engineers and other structural experts.
That's what we were doing 3 years ago. What is the point?
and im sure somebody else could post pages upon pages of detailed breakdowns of why WTC7 was possible from physicists and mechanical engineers and other structural experts as well, you believe what you want to believe bro.
Just directly refute the posters mathematical equation with your own knowledge. The poster didn't need "pages and pages" of detailed breakdowns. Explain why his equation is wrong, directly. I'm interested in the discussion.
as am i
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because I could counter with pages and pages of detailed breakdowns of why WTC7 was physically impossible, from many physicists and mechanical engineers and other structural experts.
That's what we were doing 3 years ago. What is the point?
Fucking sour loser, this is the most basic equation of movement, it describes movement under constant acceleration in a very good manner.
You claimed freefall speed, I PROOVED it wrong.
Now you understand the problem? You "counter" with pages and pages of shit you know nothing about, that's you will always remain as the forum clown.
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www.google.com
pointless to debate it at this point. I did it for months and months. big waste of time. there are thousands of people with phds demanding a new investigation, along with 1/2 of the 911 commissioners (including the two co-chairs) who want a 2nd investigation.
IfbbwannaB is an anonymous engineer who is trying to sell a document that even its own authors will not support. Go figure.
I "sold" you Newton's kinematic equation based on YOUR info, I'm sorry that I use the work of one of the smartest humans that ever were and will be to prove you wrong instead of just posting shit and not understanding it.
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Bump for 240 inability to two inputs in an equation.
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Bump for 240 inability to two inputs in an equation.
bump for you to blow me
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bump for you to blow me
Meltdown bitch, you got owned by the master, Sir.Newton himself, that's an honor trailer trash boy.
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Meltdown bitch, you got owned by the master, Sir.Newton himself, that's an honor trailer trash boy.
come on, do that tongue thing that larry craig said you were so good at ;)
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hahahah ahhh ;D
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Meltdown bitch, you got owned by the master, Sir.Newton himself, that's an honor trailer trash boy.
so you're an engineer who is on getbig 24/7? Interesting.
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so you're an engineer who is on getbig 24/7? Interesting.
just refute the equation
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so you're an engineer who is on getbig 24/7? Interesting.
24/7? Sorry I'm not here around the clock like you, but I do have a 99% of my day access to the internet so I check here and then. I guess the interwebzzzz haven't hit it big in the trailer park yet ah?
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just refute the equation
this from the guy who calls name nonstop instead of debating? Ah yes.
Seriously, there are plenty of articles from both sides on WTC7. Believe whichever you want. I spent too long debating 911. I know it's an inside job, as do the majority of americans. Beyond that, eh...
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this from the guy who calls name nonstop instead of debating? Ah yes.
Seriously, there are plenty of articles from both sides on WTC7. Believe whichever you want. I spent too long debating 911. I know it's an inside job, as do the majority of americans. Beyond that, eh...
what would you like to debate son? im up for anything that isnt ignorant but i guess that really ties your hands doesnt it?
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what would you like to debate son? im up for anything that isnt ignorant but i guess that really ties your hands doesnt it?
son? hi shawn ray.
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son? hi shawn ray.
so you wouldnt like to debate anything then?
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Once again we have proved how ridiculous 240 is, he can read millions of articles that fit his needs yet he can't do a simple equation from high school.
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Once again we have proved how ridiculous 240 is, he can read millions of articles that fit his needs yet he can't do a simple equation from high school.
So you're saying that every physicist, engineer, and other phd who said the collapse couldn't have happened as NIST claimed - they're all wrong then?
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So you're saying that every physicist, engineer, and other phd who said the collapse couldn't have happened as NIST claimed - they're all wrong then?
I'm saying that you are wrong when you base your CT theories on buildings that fall at free fall speed which as I have done is easily proved false.
I do believe that those scientists are wrong too, many others believe that it is possible. It's not for me or you to fully analyze such a complex physical system, what we or at least I can do is assert which of the two theories that have been given seems more logical and plausible.
Don't forget, scientists are humans too and some want to believe CT's too and make it cloud their judgment.
When you start to look at it from a pure physical standpoint it seems more and more plausible.
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So you're saying that every physicist, engineer, and other phd who said the collapse couldn't have happened as NIST claimed - they're all wrong then?
Yes they are wrong.
Plus all of these truthers questions about WTC 7 were answered to prove them wrong.
The NIST report is backed by ASCE.
The American Society of Civil Engineers.
http://content.asce.org/conferences/structures2009/program.html
It is a member based organization that does not rely on government for funding.
It is also the largest structural engineering organization in the world.
It is ok for you to be wrong too.
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I'm saying that you are wrong when you base your CT theories on buildings that fall at free fall speed which as I have done is easily proved false.
I do believe that those scientists are wrong too, many others believe that it is possible. It's not for me or you to fully analyze such a complex physical system, what we or at least I can do is assert which of the two theories that have been given seems more logical and plausible.
Don't forget, scientists are humans too and some want to believe CT's too and make it cloud their judgment.
When you start to look at it from a pure physical standpoint it seems more and more plausible.
Not to mention that many of these scientists are basing their conclusions on incomplete information.
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Not to mention that many of these scientists are basing their conclusions on incomplete information.
Not to mention 240 is shutting up and with all of his million proofs he can't dispute a simple kinematic equation.
Bump for shutting up the biggest forum loud mouth blabbing trailer park trash.
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Not to mention 240 is shutting up and with all of his million proofs he can't dispute a simple kinematic equation.
Bump for shutting up the biggest forum loud mouth blabbing trailer park trash.
LOL YEA ill bump it for that
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loud mouth blabbing trailer park trash.
see, lines like this make me want to skullfvck you.
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see, lines like this make me want to skullfvck you.
Lines like this make me think you're a gay trailer park trash who gets pounded by his crack addicted wife while she wares a homemade strap on.
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So 240 can you please enlighten us to how you disproved Sir.Newton work? Did you use a Lagrangian?
Special relativity was used? Tensors? Black holes formations?
The science community is all ears just waiting for you....
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Lines like this make me think you're a gay trailer park trash who gets pounded by his crack addicted wife while she wares a homemade strap on.
you can't even spell. You're an "enginner"? [sic] lol...
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you can't even spell. You're an "enginner"? [sic] lol...
When you speak as many languages as I do and type as fast you will be allowed to have a slip off here and there.
So.....when you're publishing your theory? Come on now, don't you want a Nobel prize?
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When you speak as many languages as I do
How many languages do you speak?
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How many languages do you speak?
More than one, which is enough to make you look like an idiot.
Do you really want to question me again? Last time you did that you got embarrassed and you haven't recovered your dignity since, we're all waiting for your reply to the question you yourself posed.
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You guys are digressing into ad hom world.
Let's get back to the actual issue.
240 says there are engineers and scientists that claim it is impossible for WTC 7 to do what it did.
Yet there is the NIST report that has been signed off by the:
The American Society of Civil Engineers.
http://content.asce.org/conferences/structures2009/program.html (http://content.asce.org/conferences/structures2009/program.html)
So basically the main stream group of engineers agree.
Are they "all" in on this too? Do we really need to argue naively about physics here?
But what about the other engineers and scientists that say it's impossible? Aren't there scientists and engineers who still maintain the moon landing was impossible?
Point being is, you'll always have some "experts" disagree. That doesn't validate their controversial conclusions, however when you have the "establishment" agreeing on it, it does, because this is the same "establishment" that has helped progress our civilization based on science for years.
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here you go. From FEMA
5.6.2 Probable Collapse Sequence
The collapse of WTC 7 appears to have initiated on the east side of the building on the interior, as indicated by the disappearance of the east penthouse into the building. This was followed by the disappearance of the west penthouse, and the development of a fault or "kink" on the east half of WTC 7 (see Figures 5-23 and 5-24). The collapse then began at the lower floor levels, and the building completely collapsed to the ground. From this sequence, it appears that the collapse initiated at the lower levels on the inside and progressed up, as seen by the extension of the fault from the lower levels to the top.
During the course of the day, fires may have exposed various structural elements to high temperatures for a sufficient period of time to reduce their strength to the point of causing collapse. The structural elements most likely to have initiated the observed collapse are the transfer trusses between floors 5 to 7, located on lower floors under the east mechanical penthouse close to the fault/kink location.
If the collapse initiated at these transfer trusses, this would explain why the building imploded, producing a limited debris field as the exterior walls were pulled downward. The collapse may have then spread to the west. The building at this point may have had extensive interior structural failures that then led to the collapse of the overall building. The cantilever transfer girders along the north elevation, the strong diaphragms at the 5th and 7th floors, and the seat connections between the beams and columns at the building perimeter may have become overloaded after the collapse of the transfer trusses and caused the interior collapse to propagate to the whole floor and to the exterior frame. The structural system between floors 5 and 7 appears to be critical to the structural performance of the entire building.
An alternative scenario was considered in which the collapse started at horizontal or inclined members. The horizontal members include truss tension ties and the transfer girder of the T-1 truss at the east side of the 5th floor. Inclined members spanned between the 5th and 7th floors and were located in a two-story open mechanical room. The horizontal haunched back span of the eastern cantilever transfer girders, located roughly along the kink, rested on a horizontal girder at the 7th floor supported by the T-1 transfer truss. Even if the cantilever transfer girder had initiated the collapse sequence, the back span failure would most likely have not caused the observed submergence of the east mechanical penthouse.
The collapse of WTC 7 was different from that of WTC 1 and WTC 2, which showered debris in a wide radius as their frames essentially "peeled" outward. The collapse of WTC 7 had a small debris field as the façade was pulled downward, suggesting an internal failure and implosion.
To confirm proposed failure mechanisms, structural analysis and fire modeling of fuels and anticipated temperatures and durations will need to be performed. Further study of the interaction of the fire and steel, particularly on the lower levels (i.e., 1st-12th floors) should be undertaken to determine specific fuel loads, location, potential for impact from falling debris, etc. Further research is needed into location of storage and file room combustible materials and fuel lines, and the probability of pumps feeding fuel to severed lines.
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Now that you've seen their version - See a nice detailed analysis of why that is horse shit
http://killtown.911review.org/wtc7/collapse.html
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Explosions all over WTC 7 - from a fed employee
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Use your mouth, IFBBwannaB... that's a good girl
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(http://killtown.911review.org/video/wtc7/hsw_implosion.gif)
See how it looked inside, above.
See hot it looked outside, below:
(http://911review.org/Storage/Http/www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/wtc7-demolition.gif)
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So now the BBC is in it too?
Did I miss where you disproved the kinematic equation?
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This is how tall WTC7 really was:
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that mighty tower was reduced to this, in under ten seconds from fire alone? Impossible.
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Now listen, IFBBwannaB
You're a phd engineer who speaks 4 languages and competes at the national level. I know. you're also worth $500 million and you fly your private jets to sarah palin's pool party.
You're a shill who equates any questioning of 911 with partisanship, which is sad, because asking Qs about 911 isn't about repub or dem. It's about america.
So you continue with your anonymous lies, rants, and other things blow-job related. have a great day.
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Now listen, IFBBwannaB
You're a phd engineer who speaks 4 languages and competes at the national level. I know. you're also worth $500 million and you fly your private jets to sarah palin's pool party.
You're a shill who equates any questioning of 911 with partisanship, which is sad, because asking Qs about 911 isn't about repub or dem. It's about america.
So you continue with your anonymous lies, rants, and other things blow-job related. have a great day.
Meltdown bitch.
Sorry no PhD yet, will have one in a couple of years though.
Where did I talk about partisanship? You stated a claim and I PROOVED it wrong, all you do is post BS clips and totally meltdown here.
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Meltdown bitch.
Sorry no PhD yet, will have one in a couple of years though.
Where did I talk about partisanship? You stated a claim and I PROOVED it wrong, all you do is post BS clips and totally meltdown here.
Yes, you "PROOVED" it.
is that even a word?
I thought you had to be literate to earn a phd. It seems not.
You're officially a getbigger with the addition of the phd to your mantle.
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Yes, you "PROOVED" it.
is that even a word?
I thought you had to be literate to earn a phd. It seems not.
You're officially a getbigger with the addition of the phd to your mantle.
Yawn, can you measure your temperature? I want to know your exact meltdown temp.
Unlike you I base my science on observations and empirical data, so please email me the data sheet from your butt plug so I can complete my "Trailer Parks - The caps meltdown".
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240 so this is your answer/response to the NIST and The American Society of Civil Engineers?
- the building looks like its collapsing
- preemptive reports
- heard explosions
- It fell like a classic implosion
com on.
Seems like that sight is perfect for people who are plain ignorant to real science. So it hit its mark for people like me and you.
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I will tell you this.
The new modeling and code changes after the collapse of tower 7 are no joke.
It will cost builders quite a bit more to build buildings to these new standards.
The government, NIST and ASCE would not recommend these changes if the buildings were brought down by explosives.
http://wtc.nist.gov/NIBS_MMC/CodeChangeProposals.htm
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I will tell you this.
The new modeling and code changes after the collapse of tower 7 are no joke.
It will cost builders quite a bit more to build buildings to these new standards.
The government, NIST and ASCE would not recommend these changes if the buildings were brought down by explosives.
http://wtc.nist.gov/NIBS_MMC/CodeChangeProposals.htm
Stop messing with little things like this, we got a future Nobel prize winner on the board, give trailer boy his due respect!
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What happen to Muscle? We are delving into reality and he's vanished from this thread?
I bet the government is behind it. :D
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240 still hasn't told me how it would be possible to somehow line a building that is open 24/7 with the amount of explosives needed to bring it down without a single person noticing or saying anything.
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240 still hasn't told me how it would be possible to somehow line a building that is open 24/7 with the amount of explosives needed to bring it down without a single person noticing or saying anything.
Not to mention that the mere fact of crashing passenger planes full of people in the WTC's would have been enough to send us on the course we have taken to war regardless of whether or not they collapsed.
This phenomena grew from:
- People seeing what they thought were explosions blowing out windows on the video as the WTC was collapsing but were instead from the inner part of the building collapsing before the outside part did forcing debris out the windows.
- Reports of firemen hearing explosions prior to the WTC coming down which considering huge fire in a huge building filled with all sort of things that could exploded due to heat is pretty logical
- The testing for thermite.
I donno, sometimes, i shake my head at how anyone can even believe this whole thing, the WTC's, WTc-7, flight 93, the pentagon etc. was planned and executed by the US government.
It's mind boggling.
It makes so much more sense that someone would believe in the JFK thing. But this? this is for space cadets.
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Not to mention that the mere fact of crashing passenger planes full of people in the WTC's would have been enough to send us on the course we have taken to war regardless of whether or not they collapsed.
This phenomena grew from:
- People seeing what they thought were explosions blowing out windows on the video as the WTC was collapsing but were instead from the inner part of the building collapsing before the outside part did forcing debris out the windows.
- Reports of firemen hearing explosions prior to the WTC coming down which considering huge fire in a huge building filled with all sort of things that could exploded due to heat is pretty logical
- The testing for thermite.
I donno, sometimes, i shake my head at how anyone can even believe this whole thing, the WTC's, WTc-7, flight 93, the pentagon etc. was planned and executed by the US government.
It's mind boggling.
It makes so much more sense that someone would believe in the JFK thing. But this? this is for space cadets.
Fuck you! JFK is alive, he and 2PAC are orgy party planners on the secret island that Bush and Osama met and planned 9/11 on together. Yes Bush...the guy all these CT fuckers claim is a complete idiot yet managed to orchestrate the worlds biggest fake and complex operation. ::) ::) ::)
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Not to mention that the mere fact of crashing passenger planes full of people in the WTC's would have been enough to send us on the course we have taken to war regardless of whether or not they collapsed.
This phenomena grew from:
- People seeing what they thought were explosions blowing out windows on the video as the WTC was collapsing but were instead from the inner part of the building collapsing before the outside part did forcing debris out the windows.
- Reports of firemen hearing explosions prior to the WTC coming down which considering huge fire in a huge building filled with all sort of things that could exploded due to heat is pretty logical
- The testing for thermite.
I donno, sometimes, i shake my head at how anyone can even believe this whole thing, the WTC's, WTc-7, flight 93, the pentagon etc. was planned and executed by the US government.
It's mind boggling.
It makes so much more sense that someone would believe in the JFK thing. But this? this is for space cadets.
And in the same breath tell us how incompetent the US gov......they can pull off 911 but can't walk and chew gum at the same time. It was absolutely 9 billion times harder to pull off 911 as an inside job with explosions and explosives and stand downs and this and that...then getting 20 rags into flight school and onto planes with box cutters.
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Yes, you "PROOVED" it.
is that even a word?
I thought you had to be literate to earn a phd. It seems not.
You're officially a getbigger with the addition of the phd to your mantle.
NO WAY IN HELL HE HAS A PHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He said not yet.....
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NO WAY IN HELL HE HAS A PHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it's extremely hard to believe you're MD material. ::)
As far as where I am........if anyone believes the official story of 9/11 you're a moron plain and simple. I never once in this thread or any other thread argued that bombs brought down the twin towers. Nor have I ever implied that I believe the US government was in fact behind 9/11. But I do believe that the US Government would in a heartbeat look the other way if they knew something like this was going to happen.....i.e. sacrifice 3000K Americans to launch us into a very profitable War on Terror. I also believe very powerful people knew ahead of time what was going to happen and put in place strategies to profit immensely from it. I.e. the demolition of WTC 7 to the selling off of airline stock, to insurance claims etc.
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And it's extremely hard to believe you're MD material. ::)
As far as where I am........if anyone believes the official story of 9/11 you're a moron plain and simple. I never once in this thread or any other thread argued that bombs brought down the twin towers. Nor have I ever implied that I believe the US government was in fact behind 9/11. But I do believe that the US Government would in a heartbeat look the other way if they knew something like this was going to happen.....i.e. sacrifice 3000K Americans to launch us into a very profitable War on Terror. I also believe very powerful people knew ahead of time what was going to happen and put in place strategies to profit immensely from it. I.e. the demolition of WTC 7 to the selling off of airline stock, to insurance claims etc.
It really takes chutzpah to call someone "a moron plain and simple" when you believe the U.S. government blew up a building as part of a 911 conspiracy theory. ::)
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It really takes chutzpah to call someone "a moron plain and simple" when you believe the U.S. government blew up a building as part of a 911 conspiracy theory. ::)
Well you are obviously one if you keep saying I said the US government "blew up a building". There are other very powerful entities besides the US government that could have been responsible or atleast complicit. Mossad is one. They have the best intelligence in the world.
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Well you are obviously one if you keep saying I said the US government "blew up a building". There are other very powerful entities besides the US government that could have been responsible or atleast complicit. Mossad is one. They have the best intelligence in the world.
That's even more ridiculous. Israel could have planted bombs in the World Trade Center? A "powerful entity" could have planted bombs? All we need is some sinister music to accompany this thread. You got some nerve calling anyone a moron. ::)
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Yeah.....those guys did...them over there..they did it..those secret guys that we can never prove exist so as to perpetuate this ridiculous conspiracy.....them...ho oo scary.
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HH6 you never answered me regarding MKUltra.
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And it's extremely hard to believe you're MD material. ::)
As far as where I am........if anyone believes the official story of 9/11 you're a moron plain and simple. I never once in this thread or any other thread argued that bombs brought down the twin towers. Nor have I ever implied that I believe the US government was in fact behind 9/11. But I do believe that the US Government would in a heartbeat look the other way if they knew something like this was going to happen.....i.e. sacrifice 3000K Americans to launch us into a very profitable War on Terror. I also believe very powerful people knew ahead of time what was going to happen and put in place strategies to profit immensely from it. I.e. the demolition of WTC 7 to the selling off of airline stock, to insurance claims etc.
That's what stupid ppl do.
911 commission and half of congress admits pakistan funded 911, sending 100k to Atta, just 4 days before attacks.
This means another nation funded the attack - which means yes, it was a major consiracy and a state-sanctioned terror event. Not 20 jagoffs with razors.
Now, are the 911 commissioners and congress 'nuts' because they showed this bank statement and admitted there was involvement? Of course not. It's a fact.
Beach bum and otheers tend to lump in "yeah, a state funded it' thinkers with 'aliens did it'. Why? Because it makes them sleep better at night. They like simple answers... "20 bad guys did it. they're dead now. we are safe now'.
They can't handle complex things. They prefer a tinfoil image or a eye roll. It's cool... I wouldn't want to handle the stress of HH6's job or deal with sagging hawaii ecnomy that BB is, or with the anal warts that IfbbWannaB has to contend with. So we all avoid some things that are unpleasant on the mind.
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HH6 you never answered me regarding MKUltra.
Which was what....but I'm impressed 6 pages with my name on it and 240 was easily able to turn it to a 911 conspiracy thread. 240 I have a job for ya....
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Yeah.....those guys did...them over there..they did it..those secret guys that we can never prove exist so as to perpetuate this ridiculous conspiracy.....them...ho oo scary.
lol. :D
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That's even more ridiculous. Israel could have planted bombs in the World Trade Center? A "powerful entity" could have planted bombs? All we need is some sinister music to accompany this thread. You got some nerve calling anyone a moron. ::)
I'm wrapped up in another ridiculous thread with this guy on the G&O board...its like crack...I can't stop...I want to but he's such an idiot......
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I'm wrapped up in another ridiculous thread with this guy on the G&O board...its like crack...I can't stop...I want to but he's such an idiot......
lol. I know the feeling. :)
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Which was what....but I'm impressed 6 pages with my name on it and 240 was easily able to turn it to a 911 conspiracy thread. 240 I have a job for ya....
lol what's the job?
dude, i try SO hard not to bring 911 into things anymore.
ifbbwannaB and a few others... I dunno... they just twist my arms on it.
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"They knew but did nothing to stop it"
That will never be proven.
And an uneducated person in science thinks that because a building looked it collapsed like a demolished building as part of some cover up shows just how stupid some of us can allow ourselves to be.
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That's what stupid ppl do.
911 commission and half of congress admits pakistan funded 911, sending 100k to Atta, just 4 days before attacks.
This means another nation funded the attack - which means yes, it was a major consiracy and a state-sanctioned terror event. Not 20 jagoffs with razors.
Now, are the 911 commissioners and congress 'nuts' because they showed this bank statement and admitted there was involvement? Of course not. It's a fact.
Beach bum and otheers tend to lump in "yeah, a state funded it' thinkers with 'aliens did it'. Why? Because it makes them sleep better at night. They like simple answers... "20 bad guys did it. they're dead now. we are safe now'.
They can't handle complex things. They prefer a tinfoil image or a eye roll. It's cool... I wouldn't want to handle the stress of HH6's job or deal with sagging hawaii ecnomy that BB is, or with the anal warts that IfbbWannaB has to contend with. So we all avoid some things that are unpleasant on the mind.
Ok, fair enough, but do you still believe the WTC's were brought down by explosive and the pentagon was hit by a missile?
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Ok, fair enough, but do you still believe the WTC's were brought down by explosive and the pentagon was hit by a missile?
I would like to see a 2nd investigation where people with far more knowledge, expertise, and knowledge of this subject matter are able to present their beliefs in light of the evidence that exists.
So would Kean and Hamilton, the men who wrote the original document. So would the majority of the American people. So would Sarah palin! So would you, I recall ;)
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I would like to see a 2nd investigation where people with far more knowledge, expertise, and knowledge of this subject matter are able to present their beliefs in light of the evidence that exists.
So would Kean and Hamilton, the men who wrote the original document. So would the majority of the American people. So would Sarah palin! So would you, I recall ;)
I still do. Never said different. But, again, do you still maintain what I asked?
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I still do. Never said different. But, again, do you still maintain what I asked?
it doesn't matter what i think. Really. If one part of the day was covered up or allowed, then you have official complicity. Beyond that, we're just arguing and wasting time. I'm gonna go watch some porn instead :)
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I still do. Never said different. But, again, do you still maintain what I asked?
He believe Newton was in on it too! :o
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it doesn't matter what i think. Really. If one part of the day was covered up or allowed, then you have official complicity. Beyond that, we're just arguing and wasting time. I'm gonna go watch some porn instead :)
I note the fact you are dodging the question, However, I will cease asking as porn is sort of a "get out of jail free card".
PS: don't let your wife catch you. ;D
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I saw that NSA 9-11 PBS thing on Monday.
I think the biggest thing that has changed and secured America is the fact that NSA can eavesdrop in America.
You can thank Bush for this.
NSA and for that matter some members of the CIA new there were Al Qaeda operatives in the US before 9-11 and that they were planning something big, but the way the privacy laws worked before 9-11, they needed a court order with probable cause to wire tap, neither of these could happen without bringing the NSA down.
Both the congress and Senate knew that the NSA was trying to change the eavesdropping laws, but both branches turned them down.
Many posters on here believe that the NSA has too much power, but how many attacks in America or against American interests happened after 9-11, none.
Before 9-11 there was the first WTC attack, then the embassy bombing in Kenya, the USS Cole, and then the big one 9-11. All involving Al Qaeda.
The reduction has a lot to do with how the intelligence agencies have been integrated and how the restrictions on the NSA have been lessened. Congress better not change this.
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I saw that NSA 9-11 PBS thing on Monday.
I think the biggest thing that has changed and secured America is the fact that NSA can eavesdrop in America.
You can thank Bush for this.
NSA and for that matter some members of the CIA new there were Al Qaeda operatives in the US before 9-11 and that they were planning something big, but the way the privacy laws worked before 9-11, they needed a court order with probable cause to wire tap, neither of these could happen without bringing the NSA down.
Both the congress and Senate knew that the NSA was trying to change the eavesdropping laws, but both branches turned them down.
Many posters on here believe that the NSA has too much power, but how many attacks in America or against American interests happened after 9-11, none.
Before 9-11 there was the first WTC attack, then the embassy bombing in Kenya, the USS Cole, and then the big one 9-11. All involving Al Qaeda.
The reduction has a lot to do with how the intelligence agencies have been integrated and how the restrictions on the NSA have been lessened. Congress better not change this.
the lack of integration combined with the rivalry attitutde towards each other played a role in the intelligence failures of 9/11.
I seriously doubt congress will change what you where talking about here.