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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2009, 12:03:11 PM »
Owner claimed building was "pulled". Need anymore proof? ::)  Post that video up 240.

When Silverstein said "pull IT" he meant the fire response teams not the building. Didn't you know that when referring to humans we are all "its".  ::) :)

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2009, 12:16:15 PM »
When Silverstein said "pull IT" he meant the fire response teams not the building. Didn't you know that when referring to humans we are all "its".  ::) :)

My bad dude.  ;D

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2009, 12:23:46 PM »

I said I'm an engineer, not a structural engineer.

Just because you're an engineer doesn't mean you know fuck all about buildings falling at free fall speed.  I mean fuck when was the last time you opened a physics book.  Engineers are like anyone else they forget half the shit they learn in school.  Engineering spans a wide spectrum of academia and knowledge.  My uncle's a mechanical engineer who just finshed his PhD in electical engineering.  A demolitionist knows more about how buildings fall than he does.

Besides many engineers lack basic common sense.  They are like fucking doctors.  Booksmart and sometimes borderline genius.  Yet when it comes to something simple in life like asking a girl out they fail miserably.  LMAO!   

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2009, 09:59:08 PM »
Just because you're an engineer doesn't mean you know fuck all about buildings falling at free fall speed.  I mean fuck when was the last time you opened a physics book.  Engineers are like anyone else they forget half the shit they learn in school.  Engineering spans a wide spectrum of academia and knowledge.  My uncle's a mechanical engineer who just finshed his PhD in electical engineering.  A demolitionist knows more about how buildings fall than he does.

Besides many engineers lack basic common sense.  They are like fucking doctors.  Booksmart and sometimes borderline genius.  Yet when it comes to something simple in life like asking a girl out they fail miserably.  LMAO!   

Well genius, for one thing I actually bodered checking it and the building didn't fall at free fall speed.
You can verify it yourself with very simple kinematic equations.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2009, 11:33:37 PM »
Well genius, for one thing I actually bodered checking it and the building didn't fall at free fall speed.
You can verify it yourself with very simple kinematic equations.

well than if they are so simple post em up.  what exact speed did the buildings fall at? 

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2009, 04:16:28 AM »
well than if they are so simple post em up.  what exact speed did the buildings fall at? 

Why should I do your work? You think so highly of yourself, I'm sure you can get a very simple and rough estimate using high school level kinematics.

Simple double integral on g.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2009, 05:12:56 AM »
Why should I do your work? You think so highly of yourself, I'm sure you can get a very simple and rough estimate using high school level kinematics.

Simple double integral on g.

Don't worry. McMannus has a PhD in economics and engineering from Harvard/MIT.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2009, 05:17:32 AM »
Well genius, for one thing I actually bodered checking it and the building didn't fall at free fall speed.
You can verify it yourself with very simple kinematic equations.

500 foot building hit the ground in under 7 seconds.

Please share your 'simple' equations.

Cause I got $1 that says you sure didn't do any equations ;)

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2009, 05:19:05 AM »
500 foot building hit the ground in under 7 seconds.

Please share your 'simple' equations.

Cause I got $1 that says you sure didn't do any equations ;)

I'm wondering how they could manage to line buildings that were open 24/7 to employees with enough explosives to bring them down like that without one single person noticing or commenting. There were a lot of people in those buildings at all times of the day. Enlighten me.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2009, 05:43:50 AM »
I'm wondering how they could manage to line buildings that were open 24/7 to employees with enough explosives to bring them down like that without one single person noticing or commenting. There were a lot of people in those buildings at all times of the day. Enlighten me.

I was talking science as IFBBwannaB asked.

I'm not going to let you derail that with debates of how the govt could possibly wire a govt building.  That's a logistical detail and unrelated to our scientific discussion that HE started.

If you'd like to answer his science Q - why this building did something never before seen in history - I'm all ears.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2009, 05:45:30 AM »
I was talking science as IFBBwannaB asked.

I'm not going to let you derail that with debates of how the govt could possibly wire a govt building.  That's a logistical detail and unrelated to our scientific discussion that HE started.

If you'd like to answer his science Q - why this building did something never before seen in history - I'm all ears.

I couldn't care less about his science Q. I'd like to know how you think it's possible to line a building that's open 24/7/365 with the explosives required to do it without a single person noticing or commenting on it. This thread was derailed pages ago. It started out with a question about how long it takes a plane to climb to 29k feet.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2009, 06:21:21 AM »
I couldn't care less about his science Q.

It was the point of my response to him.

You responded to me, and changed the subject.

If you'd like to discuss the logistics of other things, start a thread on it.  The man claims to be an engineer and said he can prove his argument with simple math.  I gave him 2 critical inputs and asked to see his math.  Your 5 post smokescreen to protect him *(your gimmick?) isn't going to work.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2009, 06:38:49 AM »
It was the point of my response to him.

You responded to me, and changed the subject.

If you'd like to discuss the logistics of other things, start a thread on it.  The man claims to be an engineer and said he can prove his argument with simple math.  I gave him 2 critical inputs and asked to see his math.  Your 5 post smokescreen to protect him *(your gimmick?) isn't going to work.
Your inputs were wrong and the answer has already been published.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?

NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).

As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that:

“… the structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.

Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.”

In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass.

From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.
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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2009, 06:45:40 AM »
As for building 7.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tbx2008_1120_wtc7.htm
I even included a link to all of the public comments for you to review.
As you may notice may truthers sent comments and all were included in the report.
http://wtc.nist.gov/comments08/
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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2009, 06:51:19 AM »
good reading, thanks

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2009, 09:12:51 AM »
500 foot building hit the ground in under 7 seconds.

Please share your 'simple' equations.

Cause I got $1 that says you sure didn't do any equations ;)

You seem scared, why don't you put more than 1$ is you believe in it so much?

Since I'm tired of your BS here are the numbers to shut you up:

Initial speed of the building - Vi=0   ,  Height of the building - d0=500feet=500/3.3=151meters.

Freefall acceleration - g=9.8m/sec^2.    d(t)=d0+vi*t-0.5*g*t^2

Now lets put the inputs inside:

d(7)=151-0.5*9.8*7^2=151-240.1=-89  - This means that the top floor would have been 89 meters underground by the seventh second if it was really freefalling.


Now please delete your account.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2009, 01:49:53 PM »
Ahh yes,

Events that confound the uninformed mind...lol.


Are we gonna start talking about the hole in the pentagon next and how it's not shaped like a plane?   ;D

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2009, 05:57:29 PM »
Ozmo stop poking the loony bear.
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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2009, 06:07:54 PM »
Ahh yes,

Events that confound the uninformed mind...lol.


Are we gonna start talking about the hole in the pentagon next and how it's not shaped like a plane?   ;D
but when Wylie Coyote runs through a boulder he always leave a Wylie Coyote shaped hole in it? your telling me this is wrong? SHIT i gotta go make some calls...

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2009, 06:39:25 PM »
but when Wylie Coyote runs through a boulder he always leave a Wylie Coyote shaped hole in it? your telling me this is wrong? SHIT i gotta go make some calls...

Good idea, but talk in codes.   ;)

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2009, 07:11:11 PM »
You seem scared, why don't you put more than 1$ is you believe in it so much?

Since I'm tired of your BS here are the numbers to shut you up:

Initial speed of the building - Vi=0   ,  Height of the building - d0=500feet=500/3.3=151meters.

Freefall acceleration - g=9.8m/sec^2.    d(t)=d0+vi*t-0.5*g*t^2

Now lets put the inputs inside:

d(7)=151-0.5*9.8*7^2=151-240.1=-89  - This means that the top floor would have been 89 meters underground by the seventh second if it was really freefalling.


Now please delete your account.

http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/Phys/Class/1DKin/U1L6c.html








Why does 240 always dissapear when posts like this happen?

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2009, 07:26:19 PM »

Why does 240 always dissapear when posts like this happen?

because I could counter with pages and pages of detailed breakdowns of why WTC7 was physically impossible, from many physicists and mechanical engineers and other structural experts.

That's what we were doing 3 years ago.  What is the point?

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2009, 07:35:24 PM »
because I could counter with pages and pages of detailed breakdowns of why WTC7 was physically impossible, from many physicists and mechanical engineers and other structural experts.

That's what we were doing 3 years ago.  What is the point?

Just directly refute the posters mathematical equation with your own knowledge.  The poster didn't need "pages and pages" of detailed breakdowns.  Explain why his equation is wrong, directly.  I'm interested in the discussion.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #73 on: February 02, 2009, 07:41:55 PM »
Just directly refute the posters mathematical equation with your own knowledge.  The poster didn't need "pages and pages" of detailed breakdowns.  Explain why his equation is wrong, directly.  I'm interested in the discussion.

www.google.com

pointless to debate it at this point.  I did it for months and months.  big waste of time.  there are thousands of people with phds demanding a new investigation, along with 1/2 of the 911 commissioners (including the two co-chairs) who want a 2nd investigation.

IfbbwannaB is an anonymous engineer who is trying to sell a document that even its own authors will not support.  Go figure.

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Re: So military genius HH6 how many minutes does it take?
« Reply #74 on: February 02, 2009, 09:19:54 PM »
because I could counter with pages and pages of detailed breakdowns of why WTC7 was physically impossible, from many physicists and mechanical engineers and other structural experts.

That's what we were doing 3 years ago.  What is the point?
and im sure somebody else could post pages upon pages of detailed breakdowns of why WTC7 was possible from physicists and mechanical engineers and other structural experts as well, you believe what you want to believe bro.

Just directly refute the posters mathematical equation with your own knowledge.  The poster didn't need "pages and pages" of detailed breakdowns.  Explain why his equation is wrong, directly.  I'm interested in the discussion.
as am i