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Chick, Larry and Dan on PBW talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.
This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.
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I agree, if it's too brutal in terms of prep..design a proper season/schedule.
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Chick, talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.
This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.
Well, they do the Grand Prix shows....but those are an afterthought and a joke as it's just an auto-paycheck for the Mr. Olympia. All of the other shows don't pay all that much (big surprise) and the athletes need to pump more and more drugs into their bodies to compete. No money in the lower shows, no interest and crooked supp. companies that hold far to much sway over who wins the big shows all have an effect Ron.
They big names have their contracts, they are guaranteed to place well b/c of the companies backing etc etc. They have no reason to show up to many shows.
Have 4-5 big shows with big money spread throughout the year and that might do it. Of course, no one wants to let any other show have a bigger payout than the Olympia...and the Wieders made it very clear that the prize money WILL NOT CHANGE.
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I have covered this extensively in years past. You fools seem to turn a deaf ear. It is only your own Waterloo in time.
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I have covered this extensively in years past. You fools seem to turn a deaf ear. It is only your own Waterloo in time.
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Chick, talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.
This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.
The prep for each show (food aas etc) is way too much, and the prizes aint a biggie either so, i dont think most can afford it
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Chick is right, make everyone re-qualify for the Olympia, including Mr. Olympia. Then, all top guys will have to compete at least twice a year.
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Athletes are controlled by sponsors and conditions of their contract, i would think it would be easy to get them to compete more often, i believe the relationship or lack of a relationship between the pro league and sponsors is a big reason behind Athletes doing more shows, a lot of sponsors dont really have a high regard for the way the pro league conducts its dictatorship, i mean business.
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The pros can't afford to "supplement" more. :-\
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I agree with the Mr. Olympia not competing to defend his title, but everyone else needs to requalify.
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maybe for all ifbb shows in a year or say pick 6 big ones points for placing in top 6. 1st=6 points 6th=1 pt etc...then on olympia before olympia result anounce the league champ or something .
i dont know who gives a fuck bbuilding is gay
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I agree with the Mr. Olympia not competing to defend his title, but everyone else needs to requalify.
You should know that MR O aint a big thing these days, the past 2 shows lacked of decent competitors, it looks more now like new york pro, even the ironman is better.
speak on this big ron
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I have covered this extensively in years past. You fools seem to turn a deaf ear. It is only your own Waterloo in time.
Only when you or Vince G are commenting about something.
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Chick, Larry and Dan on PBW talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.
This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.
Sponsors need to make prize money higher...and yes they need to compete more than once a year...if that happens..bodybuilding fixes itself...
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I agree, if it's too brutal in terms of prep..design a proper season/schedule.
I anticipated doing a small local show but I never understood how crazy contest prep is. I have dieted down to low single digits twice and can't imagine how tough it'd be to peak for a show. Honestly, I don't have the time, patience or drive to do that and possibly spill over because I had a few too many ounces of water or grams of carbs. And all that for a plastic trophy and bragging rights should I end up placing.
The fucking sad thing is that only the very top tier pros make any appreciable amount of money. Local show = shitty plastic trophy, most pro shows = shitty plastic trophy and embarrassing pay check. That's fucked up. Those embarrassingly shitty paychecks usually don't even equate to the amount of money spent on "super supplements" for the fucking contest prep to begin with. :-\
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They discussed this on PBW and it seems like a valid issue. Bodybuilding is the only sport where the best guys (with the most fans) only compete one time each year. Jay, Dexter, Heath, Wolf will only do one contest. Seems like these guys should have to compete more often to give bodybuilding a chance to survive/grow. Bob said its becoming a big problem when most of the big names are skipping the Arnold, despite all of the prize money in that show.
they should at least do two shows per year. Really, it's a win-win. They make more $ from endorsements than they do from shows - and the fans get cheated. PLUS, if you had dex, heath, and others doing other shows, and they lost now and then, then the top 6 at the O might loosen up a bit. As it stands right now, I think most of us could call the 09 top six, pretty easily based upon expectation.
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Maybe make the prize money requirement for each show $50k minimum. That would reduce the number of shows and allow the IFBB to line them up in consecutive weeks, culminating with the Olympia. Top guys would compete in each show.
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I have covered this extensively in years past. You fools seem to turn a deaf ear.
Doesn't that tell you how impressed people were with whatever it was that you advocated? ;D
Anyway, I for one missed it and am keen to hear what your brilliant mind has to say on the topic, Adonis. Do you mind posting the basic tenets of what you suggested in the first place?
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year tru adnoiz since u fink u r such intillectual go ahed and tell us
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Bodybuilding is not going to progress because the IFBB's strict drugs policies.
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Maybe make the prize money requirement for each show $50k minimum. That would reduce the number of shows and allow the IFBB to line them up in consecutive weeks, culminating with the Olympia. Top guys would compete in each show.
and if they competed all year long, that would make this 'sport' interesting.. imagine them going from show to show competing for points? i personally am not interested much in pro bodybuilding, because you see a guy for a few days then thats it.. theres no excitement or any reason to stay interested..
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i dont know who gives a fuck bbuilding is gay
Was BGIII a bodybuilding competition ?
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Add in the BBers that cater directly to schmoes and those involved in G4P AND the ones who dance around on stage in gay costumes like they are at a gay strip club.
This shit doesn't fly with the public at large.
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Its a symptom of how diseased the sport really is------how taxing and unhealthy it is to beat your body up to get prepared for a pro show :-\
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Its a symptom of how diseased the sport really is------how taxing and unhealthy it is to beat your body up to get prepared for a pro show :-\
About as taxing as any other sport....athletes know the sacrifice, and expect to get beat up preparing
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Yes, perhaps that's it! The general public needs to see the same freakish, psychotic, wack-jobs over and over again, constantly throughout the year. That way, they will grow to love them, and respect the art of bodybuilding. Yes, that must be the answer.
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Yes, perhaps that's it! The general public needs to see the same freakish, psychotic, wack-jobs over and over again, constantly throughout the year. That way, they will grow to love them, and respect the art of bodybuilding. Yes, that must be the answer.
It was the answer for wrestling...
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Chick, Larry and Dan on PBW talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.
This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.
Ron,
If you could place 1 or 2 in the Olympia or ASC, why would you waste your time and put your body through prep for a $10k show? With 2 100k+ shows and a whole lot of chump change shows, the system gets what it deserves.
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It was the answer for wrestling...
:D Damn! You're sort of right about that.
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Ron,
If you could place 1 or 2 in the Olympia or ASC, why would you waste your time and put your body through prep for a $10k show? With 2 100k+ shows and a whole lot of chump change shows, the system gets what it deserves.
Exactly
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Ron,
If you could place 1 or 2 in the Olympia or ASC, why would you waste your time and put your body through prep for a $10k show? With 2 100k+ shows and a whole lot of chump change shows, the system gets what it deserves.
:D Damn! Your right too GB.
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Doesn't that tell you how impressed people were with whatever it was that you advocated? ;D
Anyway, I for one missed it and am keen to hear what your brilliant mind has to say on the topic, Adonis. Do you mind posting the basic tenets of what you suggested in the first place?
A competition every month with up to 2 a month. A point system which awards 1st place through 8th. The more points one accrues will determine the best bodybuilder. This way, a consistent competitor can become the champion and the one competition wonders cannot get away with just one appearance a year.
This also makes it way more competitive and bodybuilders will really have to work hard to maintain shape from show to show. Strategy also becomes involved as competitors can pick and choose shows but will suffer if they fail to show up. For instance, a first place winner can afford to sit a show or two out, but not for long. His first place finish can conceivably buy him some more time before he is knocked off the pedestal and so forth.
This is how PRO bodybuilding should be structured. I have many other winning ideas as well.
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A competition every month with up to 2 a month. A point system which awards 1st place through 8th. The more points one accrues will determine the best bodybuilder. This way, a consistent competitor can become the champion and the one competition wonders cannot get away with just one appearance a year.
This also makes it way more competitive and bodybuilders will really have to work hard to maintain shape from show to show. Strategy also becomes involved as competitors can pick and choose shows but will suffer if they fail to show up. For instance, a first place winner can afford to sit a show or two out, but not for long. His first place finish can conceivably buy him some more time before he is knocked off the pedestal and so forth.
This is how PRO bodybuilding should be structured. I have many other winning ideas as well.
I have been floating this proposal for years. In time, this will be the only viable, intelligent and logical direction for bodybuilding to ascend to because in the current state the only progression is southward bound, sinking deeper into the obscure, non-prolific and unpromising abyss.
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If bodybuilding season were in the summer, contests could be spaced apart every month from May through September: Ironman, Arnold, NY Pro, Pro World, and Olympia. Make everyone requalify for the Olympia and make every show a $50-100k minimum. Who wouldn't want to go to the Arnold in May or June instead of the first weekend in March?
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It's simple and all of you are missing the point. First of all this sport is not Dexter, Heath, Martinez ect. It has been mentioned on here before there are no more Levrones, Wheelers and Shawn Rays (God forgive me). The reason is THERE ARE NO TEENAGE BBERS!! We need new blood, but none of the young kids are interested. Why would any 16 year old kid want to do what it takes to look like these guys who are competing today? Hell most parents would rather see their kids go into ultimate fighting and get their brains beat out. BB is dying and the only salvation is to change the winning standards. There are plenty of teens who like to "bodybuild", but none want to step on stage. Actually I would bet that there are more kids in the gym today than back when I started which makes it even sadder since this means that the larger percentage of them have no interest in competing. The competitors keep getting older and older and so do the title holders.
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It's simple and all of you are missing the point. First of all this sport is not Dexter, Heath, Martinez ect. It has been mentioned on here before there are no more Levrones, Wheelers and Shawn Rays (God forgive me). The reason is THERE ARE NO TEENAGE BBERS!! We need new blood, but none of the young kids are interested. Why would any 16 year old kid want to do what it takes to look like these guys who are competing today? Hell most parents would rather see their kids go into ultimate fighting and get their brains beat out. BB is dying and the only salvation is to change the winning standards. There are plenty of teens who like to "bodybuild", but none want to step on stage. Actually I would bet that there are more kids in the gym today than back when I started which makes it even sadder since this means that the larger percentage of them have no interest in competing. The competitors keep getting older and older and so do the title holders.
Smart kids, who wants to fuck their health trying to compete in BB.
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About as taxing as any other sport....athletes know the sacrifice, and expect to get beat up preparing
but the pay isn't the same or the potential pay.
another thing the "sport" has to work on is the image of faggotry. a couple years ago when i was all about BB i sued to try to get some of the other guys into as well. when ever they would see the old school pic they thought cool, but when they would see modern pic with the glitter thongs and costumes they instantly thought it was gay. i got them to watch a contest on line once and all the cock thrusting gyrating really pushed them even further away.
then if this doesn't turn you away the judging will. this is actually why i stopped paying attention to BB. the judging is not consistent. so in some shows the freaks win, then some shows ascetics wins, i guess pending on politics. this varies show to show, so the average competitor does not even know how to prep for the show, should i go big sacrifice the waist because freaks are in, or sacrifice size because tiny tits are winning now?
overall there is no money, the risks are high, there are no standards, the "sport" is kind of gay
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The big supplement companies should stop being such greedy girls and bump up the prize money.
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Adonis' idea of organising the competitions into an actual league, with points given for placings, is actually a decent one. Competitors would have to decide whether to go for the win in, say 3 shows, or enter all of the shows, and get consistent placings to earn their points.
You could also have a multiplier based on the show. If an organiser comes up with a large prize fund, then his show could be given a multiplier of 1.2, for example, so anyone competing in that show would receive their points x 1.2. This would encourage the shows to generate more prize money to attract the biggest names. At the end of the year, a League Champion is crowned.
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The big supplement companies should stop being such greedy girls and bump up the prize money.
Exactly.
The supplement industry is a multi billion dollar industry yet the Mr O winner gets 150k.....? :-\
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athletes???
SPORT?
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Well, there's plenty of other shows out there to win, but the money just ain't all that worth it. 10 grand a pop for the majority of shows?...less the O and the Arnold?
I don't mind if the top guys only compete once a year. BBers know that to be your BEST you can (and should) only peak once a year.
You've got guys like Silvio who do it more often, and WIN...but there's a limit to their victories...yet a lesson is to be learned. Guys who will never win the O (ie Silvio) SHOULD compete often at the smaller shows, if only to build a solid career for the short while it lasts...leave the O for the guys who win the TOP shows instead of giving top fives entrance into the so-called "superbowl of bodybuilding".
Marketingwise, who cares. Joe Public don't care about bodybuilding, so really the industry should do what Bob Chick has been saying for a while now: CATER to the fanbase that already exists and find new ways to keep us friggin' happy!
LIKE changing the damn judging standards. Value aesthetics over freakish mass, but only to a degree. Good mass monster?...Ronnie circa 2001 (and personally, his 2003 "HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THAT!?!?") look SHOULD beat out a Phil Heath or even Shawn Ray, but if you DON'T have a guy like Coleman, then don't hand us the Great White Refrigerator Cutler and expect us to be pleased....he's the complete WRONG way a 'mass monster' should look.
Change the judging standards and watch things change...to a degree.
Ultimately, people are just too smart overall to even consider taking the amount of drugs to look like these to 'be succesful' in this 'sport'.
Look at it like this: the PORN industry. There ain't gonna be no more Jenna Jamesons legend type chicks...they're isn't anywhere else to go, the best have already been there, done that..literally. Sure, some young sluts out there might wanna make some easy money and get banged on the internet, but really, why 'would' they? Same as pro bodybuilding. The underlying question is, unless you really have a 'love' for it, why would you take the risk?
Only those who truly have NO other options...the fact that a guy like Phil Heath even exists in the IFBB today is astounding. But perhaps he too realizes that without bodybuilding, he's just another guy with a good physique for the beach.
There's no money, no prestige, your health suffers and the general public, well...they could NOT CARE LESS.
Even Schwarzennegger is looked at by most young people as an old dinosaur!
....it's pessimistic, but it's been said time and time again. It's a niche activity that should be lucky for anything it gets. Expanding?...please.
One way that could work is a tv show much in the way that UFC Ultimate Fighter went....OH , but that's right, you can't do that because you'd have to talk about steroids and that's illegal, remember. Too bad, it would be a GREAT show.
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Ron,
If you could place 1 or 2 in the Olympia or ASC, why would you waste your time and put your body through prep for a $10k show? With 2 100k+ shows and a whole lot of chump change shows, the system gets what it deserves.
...bigger question...why fuck your health up to 10 times a year to begin with? Locate enough sauce to ensure no real 'off season', and wait till you burn out and fade away?
Great for the 'system'...not great for expansion. You could say the NFL does the same thing..but at least those guys are getting PAID a hell of a lot for their sacrifice.
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About as taxing as any other sport....athletes know the sacrifice, and expect to get beat up preparing
You really believe that? :-\
Lets compare bodybuilders to some very extreme athletes, triathletes.
They usually compete several times during the year, around the year.
How do you think they get "beat up" in comparison to pro BB's?
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You really believe that? :-\
Lets compare bodybuilders to some very extreme athletes, triathletes.
They usually compete several times during the year, around the year.
How do you think they get "beat up" in comparison to pro BB's?
Hedge he said "sport" and "athletes." Bob is trolling for laughs again.
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You really believe that? :-\
Lets compare bodybuilders to some very extreme athletes, triathletes.
They usually compete several times during the year, around the year.
How do you think they get "beat up" in comparison to pro BB's?
exactly Hedge----they arent flirting with Kidney failure like pro BBers are----they dont have to risk imprisonment by HAVING to break the law in order to prepare for an event as pro BBers do
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You really believe that? :-\
Lets compare bodybuilders to some very extreme athletes, triathletes.
They usually compete several times during the year, around the year.
How do you think they get "beat up" in comparison to pro BB's?
ALL athletes get "beat up"...it's part of sports....different ways, different injuries...but be assured, any veteren athlete will tell you the sam story from kids doing gymnastics, to football players, to ice skaters...
Not quite sure what your debate is here...?
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This is probably more in the hands of the sponsors. If they would write it into sponsorship deals that a guy has to compete in "x" number of shows to get paid, it would happen.
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ALL athletes get "beat up"...it's part of sports....different ways, different injuries...but be assured, any veteren athlete will tell you the sam story from kids doing gymnastics, to football players, to ice skaters...
Not quite sure what your debate is here...?
Ice skaters and gymnasts typically dont use slin, hgh, 2g's of test a week, dbol, anti-e's.
Its the chemicals in this sport that make the way it is.
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Not rocket science
There are plenty of other sports to follow. Bodybuilding has to change to follow:- The world ranking system to come from events all year round. The Olympia can still be like Bodybuilding's Olympics, but it is only one show. The pro bodybuilders have to be like the pro athletes in all the major sports in the world. The financial rewards MUST follow though and Sponsorship deals struck that benefit the athletes. Then the pros can act like pros and be in shape all year round and compete regularly to be THE best in the world. If enough events can be staged all over the world, they can benefit too from all the promo, seminars and guest posings they can do as they travel.
Don't ever pretend the sport wil ever have mass appeal, but there are enough fans worldwide to make this work this way.
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Ice skaters and gymnasts typically dont use slin, hgh, 2g's of test a week, dbol, anti-e's.
Its the chemicals in this sport that make the way it is.
Which has what to do with injuries, or the toll training, etc takes?
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You know until they improve the prize money then it will always be a minority sport as the costs of the lifestyle simply are not met by the competitive side. Except for the elite and even then it is paltry by other standard.
Bodybuilding is not just what happens on the competition day, it is a way of life and people will not prepared to leave other jobs when the rewards are so scant.
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You know until they improve the prize money then it will always be a minority sport as the costs of the lifestyle simply are not met by the competitive side. Except for the elite and even then it is paltry by other standard.
Bodybuilding is not just what happens on the competition day, it is a way of life and people will not prepared to leave other jobs when the rewards are so scant.
POINT ON,AND FOR SOME ITS RELOCATING TO GET SEEN,OR TO TRAIN IN PLACES TO BE SEEN,AND CONNECTIONS.NOT ALL MIND U SOME .
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I agree with the Mr. Olympia not competing to defend his title, but everyone else needs to requalify.
absolutely
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Which has what to do with injuries, or the toll training, etc takes?
idk about you, but some men enjoy not having the natural test level of a 9 year old girl in order to win a trophy, therefore, less people compete.
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It was the answer for wrestling...
Bob you should put together a Task force to jump start bodybuilding...hire a marketing firm to evaluate the sport and predict its growth potential..get this shit off the ground.
Maybe meet with the heads of supp companies, and fitness gyms, bring this shit to the people.... i dont know. throwin some shit out there.
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Bob Does a great Job in promoting and protect the sport of Bodybuilding!
All ideas are not accepted and change happens gradually. Get involved if you want to help. If you have a Business , Sponsor . If you are competitor -compete not for the cheap trophy but to get in shape and have some fun. If you are a trainer , ask to be a judge. If you and some friends want to change how things are - apply for a sanction and put on the show. Invite Bob in and then you can change things.
Any Promoters that need help or athletes that want to compete and need some sponsorships I will more happy to assist
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Bob you should put together a Task force to jump start bodybuilding...hire a marketing firm to evaluate the sport and predict its growth potential..get this shit off the ground.
Maybe meet with the heads of supp companies, and fitness gyms, bring this shit to the people.... i dont know. throwin some shit out there.
You sound interested in Promoting - Let's hear some of your ideas
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People dont want to promote pro shows because it's fucking hard to make money from it.
Hell, just take Joe Spinello for example. Dude is PASSIONATE about the sport.
He tried to bring a pro show to montreal and lost a fuckload of money doing that.
why lose your time when you get more money with amateurs shows
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If they would seriously start knocking guys out with distention, this would solve alot of the problems with the physiques.
If you don't penalize distended abdomens, then everyone is going to keep getting bigger.
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People dont want to promote pro shows because it's fucking hard to make money from it.
Hell, just take Joe Spinello for example. Dude is PASSIONATE about the sport.
He tried to bring a pro show to montreal and lost a fuckload of money doing that.
why lose your time when you get more money with amateurs shows
athletes union to supplement companies.."give us more money for shows or none of us compete"
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People dont want to promote pro shows because it's fucking hard to make money from it.
Hell, just take Joe Spinello for example. Dude is PASSIONATE about the sport.
He tried to bring a pro show to montreal and lost a fuckload of money doing that.
why lose your time when you get more money with amateurs shows
If they focus on the show , instead of making money - it would exceed more. Focus on the Athletes and the Fans and the Ticket money will increase
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If they would seriously start knocking guys out with distention, this would solve alot of the problems with the physiques.
If you don't penalize distended abdomens, then everyone is going to keep getting bigger.
who fits into this Category ? Find out who the list is and then Write a letter to the League and BOB and then they can have a conversation. That the Fans do not like it ... Distended abs and Increase Mass... do it today
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athletes union to supplement companies.."give us more money for shows or none of us compete"
Supplement Companies - should stay clear of Athletes and should sign Promoters - The Promoters in turn can sign the athletes and sponsor the Athlete to the Next level
The prices would reduce and more money for purchasing items !
The Power is in the promotion
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If they focus on the show , instead of making money - it would exceed more. Focus on the Athletes and the Fans and the Ticket money will increase
well, it's still about $$$ in the end.
the cold hard fact is that right here in montreal, nobody gives a flying fuck about bodybuilding.
it cost me 110$ for prejudging and finals tickets.
Who the fuck wants to pay this to see muscular guys on a stage ?
amateurs shows bring a lot of people because the audiance is mostly familly and friends.
but are there even that many "fans" of the sport in the audiance even at amateur shows... I don't think so
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Well, there's plenty of other shows out there to win, but the money just ain't all that worth it. 10 grand a pop for the majority of shows?...less the O and the Arnold?
I don't mind if the top guys only compete once a year. BBers know that to be your BEST you can (and should) only peak once a year.
You've got guys like Silvio who do it more often, and WIN...but there's a limit to their victories...yet a lesson is to be learned. Guys who will never win the O (ie Silvio) SHOULD compete often at the smaller shows, if only to build a solid career for the short while it lasts...leave the O for the guys who win the TOP shows instead of giving top fives entrance into the so-called "superbowl of bodybuilding".
Marketingwise, who cares. Joe Public don't care about bodybuilding, so really the industry should do what Bob Chick has been saying for a while now: CATER to the fanbase that already exists and find new ways to keep us friggin' happy!
LIKE changing the damn judging standards. Value aesthetics over freakish mass, but only to a degree. Good mass monster?...Ronnie circa 2001 (and personally, his 2003 "HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THAT!?!?") look SHOULD beat out a Phil Heath or even Shawn Ray, but if you DON'T have a guy like Coleman, then don't hand us the Great White Refrigerator Cutler and expect us to be pleased....he's the complete WRONG way a 'mass monster' should look.
Change the judging standards and watch things change...to a degree.
Ultimately, people are just too smart overall to even consider taking the amount of drugs to look like these to 'be succesful' in this 'sport'.
Look at it like this: the PORN industry. There ain't gonna be no more Jenna Jamesons legend type chicks...they're isn't anywhere else to go, the best have already been there, done that..literally. Sure, some young sluts out there might wanna make some easy money and get banged on the internet, but really, why 'would' they? Same as pro bodybuilding. The underlying question is, unless you really have a 'love' for it, why would you take the risk?
Only those who truly have NO other options...the fact that a guy like Phil Heath even exists in the IFBB today is astounding. But perhaps he too realizes that without bodybuilding, he's just another guy with a good physique for the beach.
There's no money, no prestige, your health suffers and the general public, well...they could NOT CARE LESS.
Even Schwarzennegger is looked at by most young people as an old dinosaur!
....it's pessimistic, but it's been said time and time again. It's a niche activity that should be lucky for anything it gets. Expanding?...please.
One way that could work is a tv show much in the way that UFC Ultimate Fighter went....OH , but that's right, you can't do that because you'd have to talk about steroids and that's illegal, remember. Too bad, it would be a GREAT show.
good point
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Chick, Larry and Dan on PBW talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.
This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.
Bodybuilding has been regressing the last 25 years, both in public appeal and in number of spectators. Apart from the fitness division, the core of bodybuilding in it's current state is a niche culture and as such will probably never get a mainstream following.
HTH
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The big supplement companies should stop being such greedy girls and bump up the prize money.
BSN pay Trey Brewer and Brandon Ray 100k a year apparantly.
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Which has what to do with injuries, or the toll training, etc takes?
hmm most athletes don't tear their triceps throwing a bunch, tear their hamstring getting out of their car, or tear their bicep while carrying shopping. Tendons are not designed to carry around the unnatural amount of muscle pro bodybuilders have.
Do not forget Munzer died while getting into condition for a contest and Paul Dillet froze up on stage etc. There are many horror stories in bodybuilding which you won't find anywhere else.
Bodybuilders are also getting the same condition which pregnant women get because of their huge gut... "Diastasis Recti".
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POINT ON,AND FOR SOME ITS RELOCATING TO GET SEEN,OR TO TRAIN IN PLACES TO BE SEEN,AND CONNECTIONS.NOT ALL MIND U SOME .
True. If you really want the money then it doubly hard to make a name for yourself if you aren't in Cali or Vegas.
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BSN pay Trey Brewer and Brandon Ray 100k a year apparantly.
Good for them. If they can afford to pay those two that much, they should contribute money to the contests so other competitors can win some.
Exactly.
The supplement industry is a multi billion dollar industry yet the Mr O winner gets 150k.....? :-\
Yeah man, with all the super over-priced bodybuilding supplements they sell, they should at least give some money back for the competitors to win.
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You should know that MR O aint a big thing these days
I would tend to agree.
the last two Mr. Olympia's were Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson, two guys who only won because Ronnie was in the twilight of his long career..
honestly, what is wrong with this picture?
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Bodybuilding makes her butt itch...
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I would tend to agree.
the last two Mr. Olympia's were Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson, two guys who only won because Ronnie was in the twilight of his long career..
honestly, what is wrong with this picture?
Ronnie doesn't have a refrigerator waste like the Chin man?
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Chick, Larry and Dan on PBW talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.
This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.
Let's Hope bodybuilding does not Extinct in the next two decades.
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Ronnie doesn't have a refrigerator waste like the Chin man?
that and the fact that the quality has gone way downhill.
its a travesty that Dexter Jackson wins the Mr. O while someone like Shawn Ray never did, since Ray smokes dex from every angle..
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About as taxing as any other sport....athletes know the sacrifice, and expect to get beat up preparing
and after all this beating and abuse to their bodies, they ended up out of the top 15 with $1000 check as their recompense......hahahahh ahaha
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You really believe that? :-\
Lets compare bodybuilders to some very extreme athletes, triathletes.
They usually compete several times during the year, around the year.
How do you think they get "beat up" in comparison to pro BB's?
lol.......Anabolics, anyone?
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I agree with the Mr. Olympia not competing to defend his title, but everyone else needs to requalify.
That sounds great in theory, but there are reasons why people aren't doing it now.
- The economy is SHIT and contest prep is expensive
- The sponsors should pay the guys more based off how many shows they enter and how well they place
- Bodybuilders are lazy people, despite the outward appearance
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that and the fact that the quality has gone way downhill.
its a travesty that Dexter Jackson wins the Mr. O while someone like Shawn Ray never did, since Ray smokes dex from every angle..
That's right. The bodybuilding "elite" have fallen way off compared to the 90s. The guys in the top 5 right now would get smoked by the top 5 from 1998, 1999.
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that and the fact that the quality has gone way downhill.
its a travesty that Dexter Jackson wins the Mr. O while someone like Shawn Ray never did, since Ray smokes dex from every angle..
I really think that back in the day when Shawn was at his best, he could have been Mr. Olympia but he was too opinionated and talked about too many people. Even though he spoke very intelligently, he bad mouthed people and was a loose cannon. I am sure that played a big part in him not winning.
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I really think that back in the day when Shawn was at his best, he could have been Mr. Olympia but he was too opinionated and talked about too many people. Even though he spoke very intelligently, he bad mouthed people and was a loose cannon. I am sure that played a big part in him not winning.
If that was the prevailing thought, I would tend to disagree. Shawn was far more articulate than other bodybuilders and would have elevated bodybuilding in the public eye. Shawn's problem is that he was competing against a guy (Dorian) who the IFBB judges somehow thought represented the ideal. What a mistake that was.
The IFBB and bodybuilding rulers should have realized that an aesthetically appealing physique combined with an intellectual guy like Shawn would have done FAR more for bodybuilding than a guy like Dorian Yates.
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If that was the prevailing thought, I would tend to disagree. Shawn was far more articulate than other bodybuilders and would have elevated bodybuilding in the public eye. Shawn's problem is that he was competing against a guy (Dorian) who the IFBB judges somehow thought represented the ideal. What a mistake that was.
The IFBB and bodybuilding rulers should have realized that an aesthetically appealing physique combined with an intellectual guy like Shawn would have done FAR more for bodybuilding than a guy like Dorian Yates.
I actually got into BB in December 1996. I remember my sis buying me a Flex mag (can't remember issues but it was yellow and had Dorian and his training partner doing chest iirc) and I remember seeing Shawn and though, right, that's me, I want to be THAT. Dorian never really appealed to me since he was just this incredibly muscular guy with crazy development, yet fun to look at. I first heard Shawn speak in one of these BFO videos and also thought he was articulate, if not a bit too opinionated. Not a bad thing but I can see how it would rile people up, but at least he had something to say and dialogue was exchanged. I also saw Paul (too dumb), Lee (too quiet and can't look at the camera), Kevin (too quiet), Aaron Baker (I like him), Chris Cormier (very good development which looked attainable but he didn't have personality), Gunter (who only flashed his toothy smile and gave thumbs up. It gets really old after the 4th time of doing so and it makes you wonder if this guy has anything to say), and a few others which I can't remember now. So yes, perhaps Shawn back in the days could've been a better ambassador for the sport than Dorian was.
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Bodybuilding Needs
1. MONEY
2. NEW BLOOD
3. AND A "RESET" TO 90'S
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Bodybuilding Needs
1. MONEY
2. NEW BLOOD
3. AND A "RESET" TO 90'S
That sums it up perfectly; unfortunately, I don't think any of these things are around right about now.
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This is not the matter of show or this or that.
Its because of the famous truth of the abuse of illigal drugs.
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ALL athletes get "beat up"...it's part of sports....different ways, different injuries...but be assured, any veteren athlete will tell you the sam story from kids doing gymnastics, to football players, to ice skaters...
Not quite sure what your debate is here...?
You claimed bodybuilding is as taxing as any other sport.
In plenty of other sports the athletes are able to compete for long periods of time, week in and week out. Look at the NHL, the ATP tennis tour, et al.
Sure they get beat up from their careers. But I know of cross country skiers who competed at the highest level who have perfect health in their 50's, even in their 80's.
Now, the issue in this thread is that bodybuilders choose to compete in fewer and fewer competitions.
So what can be done to give bodybuilders conditions where they are able to compete - and be competitive - several times per year?
I think the only option is to change the judging criteria. Award much smaller physiques.
How about an automatic disqualification on males who hike their trunks up their asses?
And mandatory posing trunks early 80's style. Get rid of that extremely gay "shredded glute" criteria.
Tommi "Glutezilla" Thorvildsen - what kinda nickname is that?
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You claimed bodybuilding is as taxing as any other sport.
In plenty of other sports the athletes are able to compete for long periods of time, week in and week out. Look at the NHL, the ATP tennis tour, et al.
They do the same in BB...all the while having to diet to extreme (something they DONT have to do in the other sports)
Sure they get beat up from their careers. But I know of cross country skiers who competed at the highest level who have perfect health in their 50's, even in their 80's.
And I know of BBers that have done the same...some of which STILL compete
Now, the issue in this thread is that bodybuilders choose to compete in fewer and fewer competitions.
So what can be done to give bodybuilders conditions where they are able to compete - and be competitive - several times per year?
1. Increase purse
2. Change schedule to accomodate the athletes
I think the only option is to change the judging criteria. Award much smaller physiques.
Irrelevant to the discussion at hand...you reward the BEST physique, not any "type" of physique
How about an automatic disqualification on males who hike their trunks up their asses?
And mandatory posing trunks early 80's style. Get rid of that extremely gay "shredded glute" criteria.
Tommi "Glutezilla" Thorvildsen - what kinda nickname is that?
How about they just start judging on what the physique (as a whole) looks like, and not whether or not you have lines in your ass? No one would be showing it off if they werent getting rewarded for it with higher plaqcings
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Chick,
Do you not think that the thongs are getting too small and hiked up the ass?
You can tell if someone is lean from other bodyparts.
Bodybuilding is not a sport. There is no skill or tangible pre requisite to decide a winner. Its all subjective
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Yes, putting a stop to thongs/trunks wedged up your ass would be a good step for bb'ing to take.
It would be very simple to implement and is a small thing that could clean up the image a bit.
Other than schmoes, no one wants to see Kai Greene grinding the floor in a bright red thong...
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Other federations employ rules against such things as 'bringing disrepute'
Could the Pros be punished for G4P...fucking grapefruits etc...tarnishing reputation of IFBB
Maybe they shpould be stripped of their Pro card if the murder someone etc
All this detracts from teh commercialism, popularity and accessibility of bodybuilding
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Guys....you're all putting way too much stock into the whole "size of the trunks/ thing" thing....BB was no more accepted when they were wearing the old style Arnold trunks.
Nothing magical would happen if a posing trunks mandate was passed...Budweiser wouldnt all of a sudden be throwing money at us to be a sponsor...
It all has to do with interest...as a nitche sport, we will never have mainstream appeal, as were not mainstream to begin with...the two seem to go hand in hand.
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Other federations employ rules against such things as 'bringing disrepute'
Could the Pros be punished for G4P...fucking grapefruits etc...tarnishing reputation of IFBB
Maybe they shpould be stripped of their Pro card if the murder someone etc
All this detracts from teh commercialism, popularity and accessibility of bodybuilding
This post has more merit, and it's my personal belief that many of the things mentioned should have been addressed a long time ago
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Guys....you're all putting way too much stock into the whole "size of the trunks/ thing" thing....BB was no more accepted when they were wearing the old style Arnold trunks.
Nothing magical would happen if a posing trunks mandate was passed...Budweiser wouldnt all of a sudden be throwing money at us to be a sponsor...
It all has to do with interest...as a nitche sport, we will never have mainstream appeal, as were not mainstream to begin with...the two seem to go hand in hand.
I understand this Bob, but surely taking some steps (even small steps) that could clean up bb'ing and it's image would certainly be of value.
That's why i am suggesting this. I'm not complaining about the money they get, the schedule of shows or the promotion of the sport. Those are bigger issues that will require much thought and effort to implement.
This is just a simple thing that most fans of bb'ing would like to see. It WOULD be easy to implement, it would cost nothing and all you would have to do is bring it up at the next IFBB meeting.
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cheers for reply chick.
I agree that the disrepute thing is bad and does tarnish it.
Also maybe getting rid of posing props also.
Lee priest as superman with teh boots and cape, ronnie as moses??? king kamali as a tin man or something.
Also normal size trunks would be IMO make a small step.
I think its insane that we have more smut and gossip on pro bbuilders than almost every single celebrity in the world. crazy
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It's simple.
Think about all the stuff, lewd acts, drugs, abuse, G4P, dirty dealings, no money etc etc that we speak of on Get Big and project that out to the population at large.
To "them" this "sport" (I use that term very loosely) is insane, gay and pointless. Add in various G4P, steriod scandals linked to "Pro" BBers and the fact that it is promoted like shit and you get BBings current sad state.
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I agree with the Mr. Olympia not competing to defend his title, but everyone else needs to requalify.
I disagree. They’ve already altered the rule a few years ago, limiting the automatic O qualification to the top 6 from the previous O, instead of the top 10.
The flip side of that is people would then complain about the lack of new blood in the Olympia, because the same guys keep snatching all of the top spots in the lower shows.
Look at how Darrem Charles came through the ranks. He initially got the reputation of being a "best of the rest" bodybuilder (Shawn Perine from FLEX called him a pirate of smaller shows, that he tended to win the late shows, when most of the Olympia elite were gone). But, after a while, he got more recognition and actually started beating some of those Olympia competitors.
Keep in mind, Ronnie Coleman's first win was of similar fashion. Eventually, he got better and better......you know the rest.
If any rule needs to go (assuming it's not already gone), it's the special invite rule. And, in keeping with tradition, I think they should bring back the O qualification for the Mr. Universe winner.
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Guys....you're all putting way too much stock into the whole "size of the trunks/ thing" thing....BB was no more accepted when they were wearing the old style Arnold trunks.
Nothing magical would happen if a posing trunks mandate was passed...Budweiser wouldnt all of a sudden be throwing money at us to be a sponsor...
EXACTLY!!! The top prize back then was $1000, ALL OF WHICH went to the winner. Heck, the only thing Larry Scott got for his first win was a goofy-looking crown.
It all has to do with interest...as a nitche sport, we will never have mainstream appeal, as were not mainstream to begin with...the two seem to go hand in hand.
I think it’s because nothing/no one is being hit or slammed or lifted, etc. In the average guy’s mind, big muscles are supposed to do something, not just look good.
That’s why, for example, pro wrestlers, with bodybuilder-type physiques (along with a good wrestling persona), tend to be quite popular. Look at guys, like John Cena, Dave Batista, etc.
I’ve always said that fat wrestlers were a necessity in the ring, because it makes the muscular wrestlers look cool, when they slam their chubby opponents (i.e. “The Slam Heard ‘Round The World”, a reference to Hulk Hogan bodyslamming 520-lb Andre the Giant, in front of 93,000+ people); the crowd went NUTS!!!
Bodybuilders have to do something with their muscles, in order to impress the average Joe. That’s why a lot of bodybuilders, during Arnold’s time, doubled as professional strongmen (i.e. Bill Pearl, Reg Park, etc). They probably got WAY more money for that than they did for their bodybuilding efforts.
It's simple.
Think about all the stuff, lewd acts, drugs, abuse, G4P, dirty dealings, no money etc etc that we speak of on Get Big and project that out to the population at large.
To "them" this "sport" (I use that term very loosely) is insane, gay and pointless. Add in various G4P, steriod scandals linked to "Pro" BBers and the fact that it is promoted like shit and you get BBings current sad state.
That's a rather flawed argument. There's plenty of drugs, lewd acts, even some "down-low" dudes in football. Yet, for some reason, the NFL didn't have a problem stuffing Raymond James Stadium for the Super Bowl.
You're talking about people's personal issues, here. That has NOTHING to do with the essence of bodybuilding competition itself. Plus, unlike certain bodybuilding magazines (or poster here), you don't seen Football Weekly or NFL.com (or its readers and posters) starting a bazillion threads about the drug regimens of certain wide receivers or tight ends, or which running backs are supposedly getting freaky with citrus fruit.
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This is not the matter of show or this or that.
Its because of the famous truth of the abuse of illigal drugs.
If that were the case, baseball, football, and wrestling would be "niche" entities, as well.
Yet, Steroid abuse didn't stop the NFL from stuffing Raymond James Stadium for the Super Bowl.
And, in 2008, less than a year after the publicized Christ Benoit incident (in which steroids were highlighted to the hilt, regarding that murder-suicide deal), WWE packed the Florida Citrus Bowl with 74,635 fans for WrestleMania XXIV. And Wrestlemania XXV will nearly match its predecessor in attendance.
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Bodybuilding Needs
1. MONEY
2. NEW BLOOD
3. AND A "RESET" TO 90'S
A reset to the 90s isn’t going to change a darn thing. People forget that the same complaints we hear about bodybuilding now, we heard over a decade ago.
Everything about which you’re complaining, concerning today’s competitors, guys from the 80s were saying about bodybuilders from the 90s (the very era you are praising).
Guys from the 70s were blubbering about the “drug abuse” of bodybuilders from the 80s.
And, SURPRISE, guys from the 50s and 60s were complaining about steroid abuse within Arnold’s heyday of competition in the 70s.
It’s a cyclic thing, nothing more. Steroid use isn’t the big hindrance. It’s the nature of bodybuilding itself, and the perception that bodybuilders aren’t athletic and do nothing with their muscles, besides flex and pose.
With that said, There’s plenty of new blood in bodybuilding. But when this new blood starts making an impact and winning shows (at the expense of some old favorites, namely a handful of guys, whom some think should have won this or that show, but didn’t), we hear constant complaining.
Look at Phil Heath. He wins the USA in 2005; then, he goes on to take his first two pro shows, beating a number of veterans, including men who’ve won shows in the past and placed top-10 at the Olympia.
Yet, there were cries galore as to Heath being “overhyped”, a “Weider boy”, and a plethora of excuses for his phenomenal success his rookie year. Then the screams got louder, when he placed 5th at the 2007 ASC (which is hardly chopped liver). Now it was, “Oh, he can’t compete with the big boys; he’s a fluke!”, etc.
Then in 2008, he wins the IronMan and placed second to the guy who would eventually end up being Mr. Olympia. And in the process, he bested some of the same guys that beat him the previous year. There have been theories and excuses and complaints out the behind as to why Heath has been so successful (other than the blatantly obvious fact that...HE'S JUST THAT DARN GOOD!!!).
Plus, a lot of this "new blood" are veterans who have perservered and are finally starting to taste the fruits of their labor.
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Other federations employ rules against such things as 'bringing disrepute'
Could the Pros be punished for G4P...fucking grapefruits etc...tarnishing reputation of IFBB
Maybe they shpould be stripped of their Pro card if the murder someone etc
All this detracts from teh commercialism, popularity and accessibility of bodybuilding
If someone commits murder, being stripped of a pro card is the LEAST of their concerns. Furthermore, Gay-for-pay won't be an issue either, as their cellmates will not be compensating them.
The popularity of bodybuilding (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with any of this stuff. It doesn't even have to do with steroid use. It's about the fact that the average guy see no reason for building big muscles for its own sake. Again, big muscles are supposed to lift things (or people), hit things (or people), or run extremely fast.
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A reset to the 90s isn’t going to change a darn thing. People forget that the same complaints we hear about bodybuilding now, we heard over a decade ago.
Everything about which you’re complaining, concerning today’s competitors, guys from the 80s were saying about bodybuilders from the 90s (the very era you are praising).
Guys from the 70s were blubbering about the “drug abuse” of bodybuilders from the 80s.
And, SURPRISE, guys from the 50s and 60s were complaining about steroid abuse within Arnold’s heyday of competition in the 70s.
It’s a cyclic thing, nothing more. Steroid use isn’t the big hindrance. It’s the nature of bodybuilding itself, and the perception that bodybuilders aren’t athletic and do nothing with their muscles, besides flex and pose.
With that said, There’s plenty of new blood in bodybuilding. But when this new blood starts making an impact and winning shows (at the expense of some old favorites, namely a handful of guys, whom some think should have won this or that show, but didn’t), we hear constant complaining.
Look at Phil Heath. He wins the USA in 2005; then, he goes on to take his first two pro shows, beating a number of veterans, including men who’ve won shows in the past and placed top-10 at the Olympia.
Yet, there were cries galore as to Heath being “overhyped”, a “Weider boy”, and a plethora of excuses for his phenomenal success his rookie year. Then the screams got louder, when he placed 5th at the 2007 ASC (which is hardly chopped liver). Now it was, “Oh, he can’t compete with the big boys; he’s a fluke!”, etc.
Then in 2008, he wins the IronMan and placed second to the guy who would eventually end up being Mr. Olympia. And in the process, he bested some of the same guys that beat him the previous year. There have been theories and excuses and complaints out the behind as to why Heath has been so successful (other than the blatantly obvious fact that...HE'S JUST THAT DARN GOOD!!!).
Plus, a lot of this "new blood" are veterans who have perservered and are finally starting to taste the fruits of their labor.
Well said....
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If that were the case, baseball, football, and wrestling would be "niche" entities, as well.
Yet, Steroid abuse didn't stop the NFL from stuffing Raymond James Stadium for the Super Bowl.
And, in 2008, less than a year after the publicized Christ Benoit incident (in which steroids were highlighted to the hilt, regarding that murder-suicide deal), WWE packed the Florida Citrus Bowl with 74,635 fans for WrestleMania XXIV. And Wrestlemania XXV will nearly match its predecessor in attendance.
Yet People think that
Another sport = Muscle built up by drug use only plus some technical dscipline.
Bodybuilding = Muscle built up by drug use only(All drugs)
We know that we must train hard and eat good even if you are juicing.
But normal people(and some getbigers) think that drug using only can built big muscle.
Thats the biggest reason why BBing go nowhere
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Yet People think that
Another sport = Muscle built up by drug use only plus some technical dscipline.
Bodybuilding = Muscle built up by drug use only(All drugs)
We know that we must train hard and eat good even if you are juicing.
But normal people(and some getbigers) think that drug using only can built big muscle.
Thats the biggest reason why BBing go nowhere
To sum it up.
Bodybuilding is the muscle. ;D ;)
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I have covered this extensively in years past. You fools seem to turn a deaf ear. It is only your own Waterloo in time.
You've invented the internet too!
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Yet People think that
Another sport = Muscle built up by drug use only plus some technical dscipline.
Bodybuilding = Muscle built up by drug use only(All drugs)
We know that we must train hard and eat good even if you are juicing.
But normal people(and some getbigers) think that drug using only can built big muscle.
Thats the biggest reason why BBing go nowhere
Ronnie put barbeque sauce over all his food while deiting for his mr.olympia wins, do you realise how much sugar/calories is in that shit, Shawn Ray said he saw Flex Wheeler eating burgers and fries right up to a Mr.Olympia contest, the reason why they can do this and still be in good condition is drugs and genetics, bodybuilders are not as disciplined as you think.
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Ronnie put barbeque sauce over all his food while deiting for his mr.olympia wins, do you realise how much sugar/calories is in that shit, Shawn Ray said he saw Flex Wheeler eating burgers and fries right up to a Mr.Olympia contest, the reason why they can do this and still be in good condition is drugs and genetics, bodybuilders are not as disciplined as you think.
Oh yeah? Paco eats with oil many times to maintain his mass and he does it on purpose.
And still his body is running short of energy and he has tendency of getting cold.
Let alone Ronnie, Ronnie carrys way more mass than Paco. He must eat fried potato before the show too.
They are inhumanly huge. You dont know it simply.
Of course, there are people like Flex. But when Flex try to make a deal, he also eats very serious.
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Shawn Ray said he saw Flex Wheeler eating burgers and fries right up to a Mr.Olympia contest
maybe Flex feels that the prize in a McDonald's happy meal is more valuable than the Mr Olympia title?
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It ain't gonna progress if they keep doing shit like this.
guys who could get into bodybuilding will run a mile if they think people will associate them with this kind of shit
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=262840.0;attach=303303;image)
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steroids dont grow on trees...well unless your 'schmoe' tells you to dress up as the cowardly lion and climb up on... :-X :-X
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steroids dont grow on trees...well unless your 'schmoe' tells you to dress up as the cowardly lion and climb up on... :-X :-X
vicious cycle that pushes it more and more into the underground.
need money for steroids ---> schmoe money buys steroids ------> g4p pushes it further underground -----> as sport gets increasingly disgusting, sup contracts and prize money goes down as the sport is less and less mainstream -----> need money for steroids .....
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It was the answer for wrestling...
What Sumo Wrestling?
How do you compare WWE to IFBB.
Storyline and hot chicks are what brought wrestling more mainstream.
Plus, Wrestling was not promoting itself as a legit sport, it is Sports Entertainment
So therefore steroid testing was not a requirement.
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I agree with the Mr. Olympia not competing to defend his title, but everyone else needs to requalify.
With all due respect Ron, I'm not into watching these guys commit slow suicide for my entertainment.
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What Sumo Wrestling?
How do you compare WWE to IFBB.
Storyline and hot chicks are what brought wrestling more mainstream.
Plus, Wrestling was not promoting itself as a legit sport, it is Sports Entertainment
So therefore steroid testing was not a requirement.
The issue wasn’t testing vs. non-testing. It’s about whether or not people aren’t gravitating towards bodybuilding, BECAUSE of steroid use within its ranks.
The steroid thing isn’t what is keeping bodybuilding from being more popular. WWE has had its troubles with anabolics for years. Yet, it keeps stuffing stadiums with fans for WrestleMania: 80,103 for WM 23 in 2007, 74,635 for WM 24 last year, and a likely 65,000+ for this year’s WM 25.
Regardless of the storylines or the women, ultimately it comes down to THE ACTION IN THE RING, period. The point you missed was these wrestlers ACTUALLY DO THINGS (performs feats of strength, power, agility, and athleticism) with those big muscles of theirs. They don't just pose and flex.
Ronnie put barbeque sauce over all his food while deiting for his mr.olympia wins, do you realise how much sugar/calories is in that shit, Shawn Ray said he saw Flex Wheeler eating burgers and fries right up to a Mr.Olympia contest, the reason why they can do this and still be in good condition is drugs and genetics, bodybuilders are not as disciplined as you think.
As long these guys can BURN those calories, they won't get stored as bodyfat. That's simple nutrition 101. Barbecue is hardly going to derail an otherwise-clean bodybuilding diet. I'm nowhere near a professional bodybuilder. Yet, I've been able to lose bodyweight using condiments (in moderation) on my food. Heck, I've even done so, using CELL-TECH as my creatine supplement to help me maintain my strength, something I didnt think I could do at first, because of the high dextrose content.
All I had to do was cut my carbs from other sources to allow for the 300-600 calories in 1-2 servings, respectively, of CELL-TECH. It worked great. The bodyfat went down; I maintained my strength; and I got to actually consume something fairly tasty in the process.
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Yet People think that
Another sport = Muscle built up by drug use only plus some technical dscipline.
Bodybuilding = Muscle built up by drug use only(All drugs)
We know that we must train hard and eat good even if you are juicing.
But normal people(and some getbigers) think that drug using only can built big muscle.
Thats the biggest reason why BBing go nowhere
I like to use the Dan Duchaine example to all the folks who yak about bodybuilding being “all drugs”. This guy was the supposed “Steroid Guru”; so why wasn’t his mantle loaded with Mr. America/Mr. Universe/National Championship trophies?
If I’m not mistaken, he’s also credited for helping to introduce whey protein and ephedra/ma-huang supplements to the bodybuilding world. And, yet, I’ve never seen his physique grace the cover of MuscleMag, Ironman, or FLEX. Go figure.
Plus, have you ever noticed that the guys who blubber about “all drugs” make up all the excuses for why they can’t improve their own physiques, particularly when it comes to nutrition?
They can’t ingest high carbs, because they aren’t using insulin; they can’t ingest high protein, because they don’t take testosterone and they’re worried about their kidneys (never mind the fact that they’re likely eating food or doing other things that could be more dangerous to their kidneys than simply eating more protein); they can’t increase their fats, because they aren’t using Clenbuterol.
They won’t use protein powders, MRPs, or weight gainers, because they think that the evil band of supplement companies are plotting to bleed them of their $$$$$$$.
They scour the earth looking for examples of people who they claim got big by just eating regular food (even though, they’ve done that themselves with little success); or they look for people who are reported to get ripped without cardio (again, even though they can’t do that themselves).
And, they wonder why they can’t put on any size.