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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2009, 06:40:40 PM »
Yes, perhaps that's it! The general public needs to see the same freakish, psychotic, wack-jobs over and over again, constantly throughout the year. That way, they will grow to love them, and respect the art of bodybuilding. Yes, that must be the answer.
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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2009, 06:42:49 PM »
Yes, perhaps that's it! The general public needs to see the same freakish, psychotic, wack-jobs over and over again, constantly throughout the year. That way, they will grow to love them, and respect the art of bodybuilding. Yes, that must be the answer.

It was the answer for wrestling...

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2009, 06:54:55 PM »
Chick, Larry and Dan on PBW talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.

This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.






Ron,

If you could place 1 or 2 in the Olympia or ASC, why would you waste your time and put your body through prep for a $10k show?   With 2 100k+ shows and a whole lot of chump change shows, the system gets what it deserves. 
Ron: "I am lazy."

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2009, 06:57:22 PM »
It was the answer for wrestling...

 :D Damn! You're sort of right about that.
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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2009, 06:58:21 PM »

Ron,

If you could place 1 or 2 in the Olympia or ASC, why would you waste your time and put your body through prep for a $10k show?   With 2 100k+ shows and a whole lot of chump change shows, the system gets what it deserves. 

Exactly

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2009, 06:58:48 PM »

Ron,

If you could place 1 or 2 in the Olympia or ASC, why would you waste your time and put your body through prep for a $10k show?   With 2 100k+ shows and a whole lot of chump change shows, the system gets what it deserves. 

 :D Damn! Your right too GB.
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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2009, 07:16:31 PM »
Doesn't that tell you how impressed people were with whatever it was that you advocated? ;D

Anyway, I for one missed it and am keen to hear what your brilliant mind has to say on the topic, Adonis. Do you mind posting the basic tenets of what you suggested in the first place?
A competition every month with up to 2 a month.  A point system which awards 1st place through 8th.  The more points one accrues will determine the best bodybuilder.  This way, a consistent competitor can become the champion and the one competition wonders cannot get away with just one appearance a year. 

This also makes it way more competitive and bodybuilders will really have to work hard to maintain shape from show to show.  Strategy also becomes involved as competitors can pick and choose shows but will suffer if they fail to show up.   For instance, a first place winner can afford to sit a show or two out, but not for long.  His first place finish can conceivably buy him some more time before he is knocked off the pedestal and so forth.

This is how PRO bodybuilding should be structured.  I have many other winning ideas as well. 

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2009, 07:20:10 PM »
A competition every month with up to 2 a month.  A point system which awards 1st place through 8th.  The more points one accrues will determine the best bodybuilder.  This way, a consistent competitor can become the champion and the one competition wonders cannot get away with just one appearance a year. 

This also makes it way more competitive and bodybuilders will really have to work hard to maintain shape from show to show.  Strategy also becomes involved as competitors can pick and choose shows but will suffer if they fail to show up.   For instance, a first place winner can afford to sit a show or two out, but not for long.  His first place finish can conceivably buy him some more time before he is knocked off the pedestal and so forth.

This is how PRO bodybuilding should be structured.  I have many other winning ideas as well. 
I have been floating this proposal for years.  In time, this will be the only viable, intelligent and logical direction for bodybuilding to ascend to because in the current state the only progression is southward bound, sinking deeper into the obscure, non-prolific and unpromising abyss.

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2009, 07:34:26 PM »
If bodybuilding season were in the summer, contests could be spaced apart every month from May through September:  Ironman, Arnold, NY Pro, Pro World, and Olympia.  Make everyone requalify for the Olympia and make every show a $50-100k minimum.  Who wouldn't want to go to the Arnold in May or June instead of the first weekend in March?

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2009, 07:56:27 PM »
It's simple and all of you are missing the point. First of all this sport is not Dexter, Heath, Martinez ect. It has been mentioned on here before there are no more Levrones, Wheelers and Shawn Rays (God forgive me). The reason is THERE ARE NO TEENAGE BBERS!! We need new blood, but none of the young kids are interested.  Why would any 16 year old kid want to do what it takes to look like these guys who are competing today? Hell most parents would rather see their kids go into ultimate fighting and get their brains beat out. BB is dying and the only salvation is to change the winning standards. There are plenty of teens who like to "bodybuild", but none want to step on stage. Actually I would bet that there are more kids in the gym today than back when I started which makes it even sadder since this means that the larger percentage of them have no interest in competing. The competitors keep getting older and older and so do the title holders.

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2009, 09:04:20 PM »
It's simple and all of you are missing the point. First of all this sport is not Dexter, Heath, Martinez ect. It has been mentioned on here before there are no more Levrones, Wheelers and Shawn Rays (God forgive me). The reason is THERE ARE NO TEENAGE BBERS!! We need new blood, but none of the young kids are interested.  Why would any 16 year old kid want to do what it takes to look like these guys who are competing today? Hell most parents would rather see their kids go into ultimate fighting and get their brains beat out. BB is dying and the only salvation is to change the winning standards. There are plenty of teens who like to "bodybuild", but none want to step on stage. Actually I would bet that there are more kids in the gym today than back when I started which makes it even sadder since this means that the larger percentage of them have no interest in competing. The competitors keep getting older and older and so do the title holders.
Smart kids, who wants to fuck their health trying to compete in BB.
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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2009, 09:33:24 PM »
About as taxing as any other sport....athletes know the sacrifice, and expect to get beat up preparing

but the pay isn't the same or the potential pay.

another thing the "sport" has to work on is the image of faggotry. a couple years ago when i was all about BB i sued to try to get some of the other guys into as well. when ever they would see the old school pic they thought cool, but when they would see modern pic with the glitter thongs and costumes they instantly thought it was gay. i got them to watch a contest on line once and all the cock thrusting gyrating really pushed them even further away.

then if this doesn't turn you away the judging will. this is actually why i stopped paying attention to BB. the judging is not consistent. so in some shows the freaks win, then some shows ascetics wins, i guess pending on politics. this varies show to show, so the average competitor does not even know how to prep for the show, should i go big sacrifice the waist because freaks are in, or sacrifice size because tiny tits are winning now?

overall there is no money, the risks are high, there are no standards, the "sport" is kind of gay

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2009, 09:43:20 PM »
The big supplement companies should stop being such greedy girls and bump up the prize money.

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2009, 09:44:25 PM »
Adonis' idea of organising the competitions into an actual league, with points given for placings, is actually a decent one.  Competitors would have to decide whether to go for the win in, say 3 shows, or enter all of the shows, and get consistent placings to earn their points. 

You could also have a multiplier based on the show.  If an organiser comes up with a large prize fund, then his show could be given a multiplier of 1.2, for example, so anyone competing in that show would receive their points x 1.2.  This would encourage the shows to generate more prize money to attract the biggest names.  At the end of the year, a League Champion is crowned.

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2009, 09:46:53 PM »
The big supplement companies should stop being such greedy girls and bump up the prize money.

Exactly.

The supplement industry is a multi billion dollar industry yet the Mr O winner gets 150k.....?   :-\
No doubt about it...

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2009, 09:47:58 PM »
athletes???

SPORT?



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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2009, 09:50:23 PM »
Well, there's plenty of other shows out there to win, but the money just ain't all that worth it.  10 grand a pop for the majority of shows?...less the O and the Arnold?

I don't mind if the top guys only compete once a year.  BBers know that to be your BEST you can (and should) only peak once a year.

You've got guys like Silvio who do it more often, and WIN...but there's a limit to their victories...yet a lesson is to be learned.  Guys who will never win the O (ie Silvio) SHOULD compete often at the smaller shows, if only to build a solid career for the short while it lasts...leave the O for the guys who win the TOP shows instead of giving top fives entrance into the so-called "superbowl of bodybuilding".

Marketingwise, who cares.  Joe Public don't care about bodybuilding, so really the industry should do what Bob Chick has been saying for a while now: CATER to the fanbase that already exists and find new ways to keep us friggin' happy!

LIKE changing the damn judging standards.  Value aesthetics over freakish mass, but only to a degree.  Good mass monster?...Ronnie circa 2001 (and personally, his 2003 "HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THAT!?!?") look SHOULD beat out a Phil Heath or even Shawn Ray, but if you DON'T have a guy like Coleman, then don't hand us the Great White Refrigerator Cutler and expect us to be pleased....he's the complete WRONG way a 'mass monster' should look.

Change the judging standards and watch things change...to a degree.

Ultimately, people are just too smart overall to even consider taking the amount of drugs to look like these to 'be succesful' in this 'sport'.

Look at it like this: the PORN industry.  There ain't gonna be no more Jenna Jamesons legend type chicks...they're isn't anywhere else to go, the best have already been there, done that..literally.  Sure, some young sluts out there might wanna make some easy money and get banged on the internet, but really, why 'would' they?  Same as pro bodybuilding.  The underlying question is, unless you really have a 'love' for it, why would you take the risk?  

Only those who truly have NO other options...the fact that a guy like Phil Heath even exists in the IFBB today is astounding.  But perhaps he too realizes that without bodybuilding, he's just another guy with a good physique for the beach.

There's no money, no prestige, your health suffers and the general public, well...they could NOT CARE LESS.  

Even Schwarzennegger is looked at by most young people as an old dinosaur!

....it's pessimistic, but it's been said time and time again.  It's a niche activity that should be lucky for anything it gets.  Expanding?...please.

One way that could work is a tv show much in the way that UFC Ultimate Fighter went....OH , but that's right, you can't do that because you'd have to talk about steroids and that's illegal, remember.  Too bad, it would be a GREAT show.

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2009, 09:53:39 PM »

Ron,

If you could place 1 or 2 in the Olympia or ASC, why would you waste your time and put your body through prep for a $10k show?   With 2 100k+ shows and a whole lot of chump change shows, the system gets what it deserves. 

...bigger question...why fuck your health up to 10 times a year to begin with?  Locate enough sauce to ensure no real 'off season', and wait till you burn out and fade away? 

Great for the 'system'...not great for expansion.  You could say the NFL does the same thing..but at least those guys are getting PAID a hell of a lot for their sacrifice.

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2009, 03:03:26 AM »
About as taxing as any other sport....athletes know the sacrifice, and expect to get beat up preparing

You really believe that?  :-\

Lets compare bodybuilders to some very extreme athletes, triathletes.

They usually compete several times during the year, around the year.

How do you think they get "beat up" in comparison to pro BB's?



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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2009, 03:43:18 AM »
You really believe that?  :-\

Lets compare bodybuilders to some very extreme athletes, triathletes.

They usually compete several times during the year, around the year.

How do you think they get "beat up" in comparison to pro BB's?





Hedge he said "sport" and "athletes."  Bob is trolling for laughs again.

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2009, 04:13:47 AM »
You really believe that?  :-\

Lets compare bodybuilders to some very extreme athletes, triathletes.

They usually compete several times during the year, around the year.

How do you think they get "beat up" in comparison to pro BB's?





exactly Hedge----they arent flirting with Kidney failure like pro BBers are----they dont have to risk imprisonment by HAVING to break the law in order to prepare for an event as pro BBers do

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2009, 05:15:26 AM »
You really believe that?  :-\

Lets compare bodybuilders to some very extreme athletes, triathletes.

They usually compete several times during the year, around the year.

How do you think they get "beat up" in comparison to pro BB's?






ALL athletes get "beat up"...it's part of sports....different ways, different injuries...but be assured, any veteren athlete will tell you the sam story from kids doing gymnastics, to football players, to ice skaters...

Not quite sure what your debate is here...?

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2009, 05:23:47 AM »
This is probably more in the hands of the sponsors.  If they would write it into sponsorship deals that a guy has to compete in "x" number of shows to get paid, it would happen.


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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2009, 05:25:33 AM »

ALL athletes get "beat up"...it's part of sports....different ways, different injuries...but be assured, any veteren athlete will tell you the sam story from kids doing gymnastics, to football players, to ice skaters...

Not quite sure what your debate is here...?

Ice skaters and gymnasts typically dont use slin, hgh, 2g's of test a week, dbol, anti-e's.

Its the chemicals in this sport that make the way it is.

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Re: Bodybuilding is not going to progress?
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2009, 05:35:39 AM »
Not rocket science
There are plenty of other sports to follow. Bodybuilding has to change to follow:- The world ranking system to come from events all year round. The Olympia can still be like Bodybuilding's Olympics, but it is only one show. The pro bodybuilders have to be like the pro athletes in all the major sports in the world. The financial rewards MUST follow though and Sponsorship deals struck that benefit the athletes. Then the pros can act like pros and be in shape all year round and compete regularly to be THE best in the world. If enough events can be staged all over the world, they can benefit too from all the promo, seminars and guest posings they can do as they travel.

Don't ever pretend the sport wil ever have mass appeal, but there are enough fans worldwide to make this work this way.