Bodybuilding is not going to progress?

[Chick]

Ice skaters and gymnasts typically dont use slin, hgh, 2g's of test a week, dbol, anti-e's.

Its the chemicals in this sport that make the way it is.

Which has what to do with injuries, or the toll training, etc takes?

[Sharma]

 You know until they improve the prize money then it will always be a minority sport as the costs of the lifestyle simply are not met by the competitive side. Except for the elite and even then it is paltry by other standard.

Bodybuilding is not just what happens on the competition day, it is a way of life and people will not prepared to leave other jobs when the rewards are so scant.

[njflex]

You know until they improve the prize money then it will always be a minority sport as the costs of the lifestyle simply are not met by the competitive side. Except for the elite and even then it is paltry by other standard.

Bodybuilding is not just what happens on the competition day, it is a way of life and people will not prepared to leave other jobs when the rewards are so scant.

POINT ON,AND FOR SOME ITS RELOCATING TO GET SEEN,OR TO TRAIN IN PLACES TO BE SEEN,AND CONNECTIONS.NOT ALL MIND U SOME .

[Stavios]

I agree with the Mr. Olympia not competing to defend his title, but everyone else needs to requalify.

absolutely

[boonstack]

Which has what to do with injuries, or the toll training, etc takes?

idk about you, but some men enjoy not having the natural test level of a 9 year old girl in order to win a trophy, therefore, less people compete.

[Option D]

It was the answer for wrestling...

Bob you should put together a Task force to jump start bodybuilding...hire a marketing firm to evaluate the sport and predict its growth potential..get this shit off the ground.

Maybe meet with the heads of supp companies, and fitness gyms, bring this shit to the people.... i dont know. throwin some shit out there.

[adipo8]

Bob Does a great Job in promoting and protect the sport of Bodybuilding!

All ideas are not accepted and change happens gradually. Get involved if you want to help. If you have a Business , Sponsor . If you are competitor -compete not for the cheap trophy but to get in shape and have some fun. If you are a trainer , ask to be a judge. If you and some friends want to change how things are - apply for a sanction and put on the show. Invite Bob in and then you can change things.

Any Promoters that need help or athletes that want to compete and need some sponsorships I will more happy to assist

[adipo8]

Bob you should put together a Task force to jump start bodybuilding...hire a marketing firm to evaluate the sport and predict its growth potential..get this shit off the ground.

Maybe meet with the heads of supp companies, and fitness gyms, bring this shit to the people.... i dont know. throwin some shit out there.

You sound interested in Promoting - Let's hear some of your ideas

[Stavios]

People dont want to promote pro shows because it's fucking hard to make money from it.

Hell, just take Joe Spinello for example. Dude is PASSIONATE about the sport.
He tried to bring a pro show to montreal and lost a fuckload of money doing that.

why lose your time when you get more money with amateurs shows

[stormshadow]

If they would seriously start knocking guys out with distention, this would solve alot of the problems with the physiques.

If you don't penalize distended abdomens, then everyone is going to keep getting bigger.

[Option D]

People dont want to promote pro shows because it's fucking hard to make money from it.

Hell, just take Joe Spinello for example. Dude is PASSIONATE about the sport.
He tried to bring a pro show to montreal and lost a fuckload of money doing that.

why lose your time when you get more money with amateurs shows

athletes union to supplement companies.."give us more money for shows or none of us compete"

[adipo8]

People dont want to promote pro shows because it's fucking hard to make money from it.

Hell, just take Joe Spinello for example. Dude is PASSIONATE about the sport.
He tried to bring a pro show to montreal and lost a fuckload of money doing that.

why lose your time when you get more money with amateurs shows

If they focus on the show , instead of making money - it would exceed more. Focus on the Athletes and the Fans and the Ticket money will increase

[adipo8]

If they would seriously start knocking guys out with distention, this would solve alot of the problems with the physiques.

If you don't penalize distended abdomens, then everyone is going to keep getting bigger.

who fits into this Category ? Find out who the list is and then Write a letter to the League and BOB and then they can have a conversation. That the Fans do not like it ... Distended abs and Increase Mass... do it today

[adipo8]

athletes union to supplement companies.."give us more money for shows or none of us compete"

Supplement Companies - should stay clear of Athletes and should sign Promoters - The Promoters in turn can sign the athletes and sponsor the Athlete to the Next level

The prices would reduce and more money for purchasing items !

The Power is in the promotion

[Stavios]

If they focus on the show , instead of making money - it would exceed more. Focus on the Athletes and the Fans and the Ticket money will increase

well, it's still about $$$ in the end.

the cold hard fact is that right here in montreal, nobody gives a flying fuck about bodybuilding.
it cost me 110$ for prejudging and finals tickets.
Who the fuck wants to pay this to see muscular guys on a stage ?

amateurs shows bring a lot of people because the audiance is mostly familly and friends.

but are there even that many "fans" of the sport in the audiance even at amateur shows... I don't think so

[Barracuda]

Well, there's plenty of other shows out there to win, but the money just ain't all that worth it.  10 grand a pop for the majority of shows?...less the O and the Arnold?

I don't mind if the top guys only compete once a year.  BBers know that to be your BEST you can (and should) only peak once a year.

You've got guys like Silvio who do it more often, and WIN...but there's a limit to their victories...yet a lesson is to be learned.  Guys who will never win the O (ie Silvio) SHOULD compete often at the smaller shows, if only to build a solid career for the short while it lasts...leave the O for the guys who win the TOP shows instead of giving top fives entrance into the so-called "superbowl of bodybuilding".

Marketingwise, who cares.  Joe Public don't care about bodybuilding, so really the industry should do what Bob Chick has been saying for a while now: CATER to the fanbase that already exists and find new ways to keep us friggin' happy!

LIKE changing the damn judging standards.  Value aesthetics over freakish mass, but only to a degree.  Good mass monster?...Ronnie circa 2001 (and personally, his 2003 "HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THAT!?!?") look SHOULD beat out a Phil Heath or even Shawn Ray, but if you DON'T have a guy like Coleman, then don't hand us the Great White Refrigerator Cutler and expect us to be pleased....he's the complete WRONG way a 'mass monster' should look.

Change the judging standards and watch things change...to a degree.

Ultimately, people are just too smart overall to even consider taking the amount of drugs to look like these to 'be succesful' in this 'sport'.

Look at it like this: the PORN industry.  There ain't gonna be no more Jenna Jamesons legend type chicks...they're isn't anywhere else to go, the best have already been there, done that..literally.  Sure, some young sluts out there might wanna make some easy money and get banged on the internet, but really, why 'would' they?  Same as pro bodybuilding.  The underlying question is, unless you really have a 'love' for it, why would you take the risk?  

Only those who truly have NO other options...the fact that a guy like Phil Heath even exists in the IFBB today is astounding.  But perhaps he too realizes that without bodybuilding, he's just another guy with a good physique for the beach.

There's no money, no prestige, your health suffers and the general public, well...they could NOT CARE LESS.  

Even Schwarzennegger is looked at by most young people as an old dinosaur!

....it's pessimistic, but it's been said time and time again.  It's a niche activity that should be lucky for anything it gets.  Expanding?...please.

One way that could work is a tv show much in the way that UFC Ultimate Fighter went....OH , but that's right, you can't do that because you'd have to talk about steroids and that's illegal, remember.  Too bad, it would be a GREAT show.

good point

[Samourai Pizzacat]

Chick, Larry and Dan on PBW talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.

This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.

Bodybuilding has been regressing the last 25 years, both in public appeal and in number of spectators. Apart from the fitness division, the core of bodybuilding in it's current state is a niche culture and as such will probably never get a mainstream following.

HTH

[Method101]

The big supplement companies should stop being such greedy girls and bump up the prize money.

BSN pay Trey Brewer and Brandon Ray 100k a year apparantly.

[Method101]

Which has what to do with injuries, or the toll training, etc takes?

hmm most athletes don't tear their triceps throwing a bunch, tear their hamstring getting out of their car, or tear their bicep while carrying shopping. Tendons are not designed to carry around the unnatural amount of muscle pro bodybuilders have.

Do not forget Munzer died while getting into condition for a contest and Paul Dillet froze up on stage etc. There are many horror stories in bodybuilding which you won't find anywhere else.

Bodybuilders are also getting the same condition which pregnant women get because of their huge gut... "Diastasis Recti".

[Sharma]

POINT ON,AND FOR SOME ITS RELOCATING TO GET SEEN,OR TO TRAIN IN PLACES TO BE SEEN,AND CONNECTIONS.NOT ALL MIND U SOME .

True. If you really want the money then it doubly hard to make a name for yourself if you aren't in Cali or Vegas.

[Get Rowdy]

BSN pay Trey Brewer and Brandon Ray 100k a year apparantly.

Good for them.  If they can afford to pay those two that much, they should contribute money to the contests so other competitors can win some.

Exactly.

The supplement industry is a multi billion dollar industry yet the Mr O winner gets 150k.....?   

Yeah man, with all the super over-priced bodybuilding supplements they sell, they should at least give some money back for the competitors to win.

[Hulkster]

You should know that MR O aint a big thing these days

I would tend to agree.

the last two Mr. Olympia's were Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson, two guys who only won because Ronnie was in the twilight of his long career..

honestly, what is wrong with this picture?

[jesusbod]

Bodybuilding makes her butt itch...

[jesusbod]

I would tend to agree.

the last two Mr. Olympia's were Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson, two guys who only won because Ronnie was in the twilight of his long career..

honestly, what is wrong with this picture?

Ronnie doesn't have a refrigerator waste like the Chin man?

[The_Punisher]

Chick, Larry and Dan on PBW talking about how bodybuilding is not going to progress, when the top competitors of the bodybuilding sport only competes in ONE show per year.

This is actually a very big topic in terms of marketing, and more.

Let's Hope bodybuilding does not Extinct in the next two decades.