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What if this were published by The Times right after the Iraq war started? Would rightwingers have no problem? I can't believe how many people on other sites are defending the original cartoon so I thought I would pose it in a way that the same excuses could be used by the artist. He could just the same say he meant congress or the pro war movement in general. How would this have gone down?
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In the same Newsapaper, they did the same thing to Condoleezza Rice over a year ago
Not a word from one Liberal then...............
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the cartoon is wrong dude they guy knew what he was doing....HOWEVER
In the same Newsapaper, they did the same thing to Condoleezza Rice over a year ago
Not a word from one Liberal then...............
ALSO you had ppl on here and ppl all over this country in the Main stream medai show bush in an unfavorable light, make fun of and wish that a shoe had that was thrown at him had hit him which was in REAL LIFE. You guys are so inconsistent its ridiculous bro come the fuck on you where ok when they did it to bush but now its wrong?
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You had Liberals showing photos of Bush next to a photo of a monkey....... doing different facial expressions.
And not one liberal on here had a problem with it !
NOT ONE !!!
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ok, you guys. First I want to see where they depicted Condi in a way to illustrate her death. I never saw anything like that and if I had I would have been against it just as I was against the film about the assassination of bush. I wouldn't have gone for that. Tony, I don't care about cartoons that mock or make fun of Obama or Bush or Clinton etc... That's not the point and you know it. I'm quite consistent and I posted the thread showing that I was against the assassination movie. I think you guys might have missed a major issue with the cartoon in the focus on race. I know people would have went apeshit over the above revised cartoon and would have said Bush was the subject.
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ok, you guys. First I want to see where they depicted Condi in a way to illustrate her death. I never saw anything like that and if I had I would have been against it just as I was against the film about the assassination of bush. I wouldn't have gone for that. Tony, I don't care about cartoons that mock or make fun of Obama or Bush or Clinton etc... That's not the point and you know it. I'm quite consistent and I posted the thread showing that I was against the assassination movie. I think you guys might have missed a major issue with the cartoon in the focus on race. I know people would have went apeshit over the above revised cartoon and would have said Bush was the subject.
Horse shit !
I know you saw the photo of Bush doing many differnt facail expressions, with a photo of a monkey next to him in each expression
I don't ever remember you showing disdain for that photo ! If you did, show me the link, if not.......you are hypocrite !
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You had Liberals showing photos of Bush next to a photo of a monkey....... doing different facial expressions.
And not one liberal on here had a problem with it !
NOT ONE !!!
why don't you get on the same page as the point of the thread? Depicting the shooting of political figures. That's never been ok.
On a side note, comparing Bush to a monkey isn't racist. Comparing a black man to a monkey is a long tradition for racists. 2nd, Bush looks chimpish in appearance and facial expressions so it's a natural characture of him. Think intent. The cartoonist has been around politics long enough to know what's up.
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Horse shit !
I know you saw the photo of Bush doing many differnt facail expressions, with a photo of a monkey next to him in each expression
I don't ever remember you showing disdain for that photo ! If you did, show me the link, if not.......you are hypocrite !
what the fuck are you talking about? read what I typed again and tell me how the hell you could type this? Yes I saw those pictures of Bush. Now get on the same page please.
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why don't you get on the same page as the point of the thread? Depicting the shooting of political figures. That's never been ok.
On a side note, comparing Bush to a monkey isn't racist. Comparing a black man to a monkey is a long tradition for racists. 2nd, Bush looks chimpish in appearance and facial expressions so it's a natural characture of him. Think intent. The cartoonist has been around politics long enough to know what's up.
the point is that you did not care one bit, when anyone made fun of or mocked Bush, in fact you loved it,
and now that it is done to Obama, you come on here crying about it.
hypocrite !
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why don't you get on the same page as the point of the thread? Depicting the shooting of political figures. That's never been ok.
On a side note, comparing Bush to a monkey isn't racist. Comparing a black man to a monkey is a long tradition for racists. 2nd, Bush looks chimpish in appearance and facial expressions so it's a natural characture of him. Think intent. The cartoonist has been around politics long enough to know what's up.
hahahaha so it was ok with bush b/c he kinda looks like a monkey so does barry so its ok there too i guess? barry looks very chimpish in appearnce to me
dude take your politically correct shit and shove it right back up your ass
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james has a very valid point you are upset over fuking cartoon but when a person throws a shoe in REAL FUKING LIFE at bush its funny?
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the point is that you did not care one bit, when anyone made fun of or mocked Bush, in fact you loved it,
and now that it is done to Obama, you come on here crying about it.
hypocrite !
you must be illiterate ::) No I don't care about cartoons that mocked Bush or any other politician for that matter. Why the fuck would I? You are either stupid as hell or intentionally missing the point to troll.
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you must be illiterate Roll Eyes No I don't care about cartoons that mocked Bush or any other politician for that matter. Why the fuck would I? You are either stupid as hell or intentionally missing the point to troll.
pure horse shit again.
You are a hypocrite, and with each post you make on here, you prove it even more !
so keep posting !
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james has a very valid point you are upset over fuking cartoon but when a person throws a shoe in REAL FUKING LIFE at bush its funny?
nice red herring asshole.
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why don't you get on the same page as the point of the thread? Depicting the shooting of political figures. That's never been ok.
On a side note, comparing Bush to a monkey isn't racist. Comparing a black man to a monkey is a long tradition for racists. 2nd, Bush looks chimpish in appearance and facial expressions so it's a natural characture of him. Think intent. The cartoonist has been around politics long enough to know what's up.
I thought the monkey was the people who wrote the bill? Not Obama?
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nice red herring asshole.
watch out tony, next he will call you a "Nazi" !!!!!
LMAO !
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watch it tony, next he will call you a "Nazi" !!!!!
LMAO !
Why don't you post under your original account? ???
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pure horse shit again.
You are a hypocrite, and with each post you make on here, you prove it even more !
so keep posting !
right, I see your game. You're just going to ignore that the above cartoon would clearly be a threat to the president and focus on the race angle, which this thread was not even about, in order to illustrate me as a hypocrite for not caring that Bush was depicted as an ape. You're just going to ignore everything I say and call me a hypocrite. Troll.
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Why don't you post under your original account?
Why don't you tell us about the man you voted for " Obama", and how the "Change" is going so far ?
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nice red herring asshole.
I said i was against the cartoon and that the guy knew exactly what he was doing, the difference between me and you is im consistent unlike you and your admittedly biased moderating style, you feel it was ok b/c bush looked like a chimp but not ok with barry even though he too resembles a chimp ::) I shouldnt expect anything less from you
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I said i was against the cartoon and that the guy knew exactly what he was doing, the difference between me and you is im consistent unlike you and your admittedly biased moderating style, you feel it was ok b/c bush looked like a chimp but not ok with barry even though he too resembles a chimp ::) I shouldnt expect anything less from you
i mean the original cartoon huggy bear
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I said i was against the cartoon and that the guy knew exactly what he was doing, the difference between me and you is im consistent unlike you and your admittedly biased moderating style, you feel it was ok b/c bush looked like a chimp but not ok with barry even though he too resembles a chimp ::) I shouldnt expect anything less from you
It's not even what this thread is about! I've said several times this is about threatening the president! I asked you you guys to get on the same page and you both still focus on the race angle which has been covered. When you do that, you're using a red herring. That stupid shoe comment was also a red herring.
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Hugo Chavez, stop deleting my post asshole !
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I said i was against the cartoon and that the guy knew exactly what he was doing, the difference between me and you is im consistent unlike you and your admittedly biased moderating style, you feel it was ok b/c bush looked like a chimp but not ok with barry even though he too resembles a chimp ::) I shouldnt expect anything less from you
also, as I said before and you ignored. comparing bush to a chimp has zero potential for racist overtones of any kind. Not so with Obama since there is a long tradition by racists to use the image. Now, for fuck sake, I didn't want to talk about the race angle as I made clear multiple times.
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the point is that you did not care one bit, when anyone made fun of or mocked Bush, in fact you loved it,
and now that it is done to Obama, you come on here crying about it.
hypocrite !
Hello Laura Bush...sorry you feel offended...
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It's not even what this thread is about! I've said several times this is about threatening the president! I asked you you guys to get on the same page and you both still focus on the race angle which has been covered. When you do that, you're using a red herring. That stupid shoe comment was also a red herring.
AS IVE SAID ON MY ORIGINAL POST AND ANOTHER IM AGAINST IT...However what i find hillarious is how you get yourself in a tissy about a cartoon but a guy throws shoes at bush in real life and its funny, i dont understand that? This is a cartoon a guy really threw a shoe at bush and thats funny? Answer that for me i know its off topic the topic got brought up same for your ignorant ass comment about it being ok with bush b/c he looks like a chimp.
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also, as I said before and you ignored. comparing bush to a chimp has zero potential for racist overtones of any kind. Not so with Obama since there is a long tradition by racists to use the image. Now, for fuck sake, I didn't want to talk about the race angle as I made clear multiple times.
dipshit, you are as pathetic they come
Making fun of Bush, probably gave you a hard on !
Yet you cry foul when it is done to your love Obama
Hypocrissy at its finest !!!
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why don't you get on the same page as the point of the thread? Depicting the shooting of political figures. That's never been ok.
On a side note, comparing Bush to a monkey isn't racist. Comparing a black man to a monkey is a long tradition for racists. 2nd, Bush looks chimpish in appearance and facial expressions so it's a natural characture of him. Think intent. The cartoonist has been around politics long enough to know what's up.
So do some black people but that's not the point. The cartoon is focusing on how the stimulus bill is a joke and it seems as though it was written by a monkey. Obama didn't write the stimulus bill so....
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also, as I said before and you ignored. comparing bush to a chimp has zero potential for racist overtones of any kind. Not so with Obama since there is a long tradition by racists to use the image. Now, for fuck sake, I didn't want to talk about the race angle as I made clear multiple times.
then you shouldnt have made the ignorant ass comment LOL dude again take your political correctness and shove it right back up your ass racists overtones ::) how many times did the media portray bush as a redneck hill billy? LOL fuking please
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So do some black people but that's not the point. The cartoon is focusing on how the stimulus bill is a joke and it seems as though it was written by a monkey. Obama didn't write the stimulus bill so....
look at the redo of the cartoon I did and tell me it wouldn't be taken as a threat against the president? Tell me people wouldn't have gone apeshit. for the rest of you, that's what this thread is about. I have always been against this kind of shit even when it was Bush. No more red herrings please.
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look at the redo of the cartoon I did and tell me it wouldn't be taken as a threat against the president? Tell me people wouldn't have gone apeshit. for the rest of you, that's what this thread is about. I have always been against this kind of shit even when it was Bush. No more red herrings please.
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LOL whats the matter you see the ignorance of your posts and not want to face up to them?
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then you shouldnt have made the ignorant ass comment LOL dude again take your political correctness and shove it right back up your ass racists overtones ::) how many times did the media portray bush as a redneck hill billy? LOL fuking please
you fuckers are the ones that tried to derail it in that direction and it's not ignorant! post on this in the other thread please. This thread is about the threat, not race.
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LOL whats the matter you see the ignorance of your posts and not want to face up to them?
you need to stop and address the point of the thread. I've faced up to everything and you all just say the same fucking thing again and again!
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you fuckers are the ones that tried to derail it in that direction and it's not ignorant! post on this in the other thread please. This thread is about the threat, not race.
will do, and i agreed with you on my first post
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you need to stop and address the point of the thread. I've faced up to everything and you all just say the same fucking thing again and again!
you havent faced up to shit bro you said red herring red herring ::) you feel its ok to portray bush as a chimp b/c hey he looks like a chimp and he is white but not barry b/c of the racist overtones ::) what about when the media portayed bush as a hillbilly? that has racist overtones as well
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will do, and i agreed with you on my first post
then you went on to post bullshit. I never cared about Obama or any other politician being cast in an "unfavorable light" They can mock Obama all they want, I don't care. That's not the point and you and especially this james took the point to lala-land.
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then you went on to post bullshit. I never cared about Obama or any other politician being cast in an "unfavorable light" They can mock Obama all they want, I don't care. That's not the point and you and especially this james took the point to lala-land.
when you make an ignorant ass comment like it was ok with bush b/c he looks chimp like but not barry b/c of the racist overtones OVERLOOKING ALL THE TIMES bush was portrayed as a hillbilly and not acknowledging the ignorance or that you where wrong you bring it on yourself
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come on tony, listen to Hugo, it was ok, as Bush looked like a monkey ;D
Hugo is a hypocrite ! :o
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look at the redo of the cartoon I did and tell me it wouldn't be taken as a threat against the president? Tell me people wouldn't have gone apeshit. for the rest of you, that's what this thread is about. I have always been against this kind of shit even when it was Bush. No more red herrings please.
I guess because if you look at what was written in the first one, I would really look at this as an attack against Pelosi. Obama didn't write the stimulus bill although he is pushing it for press.
The redo is directed at a President directly.
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I guess because if you look at what was written in the first one, I would really look at this as an attack against Pelosi. Obama didn't write the stimulus bill although he is pushing it for press.
The redo is directed at a President directly.
ok, take that route as we can assume that would be a valid route to take in my hypothetical too. You're back to ground zero. It is way not ok to advocate death of a senator as a solution.
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Why don't you tell us about the man you voted for " Obama", and how the "Change" is going so far ?
hi gimmick.
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hi gimmick.
Hi Obama Lover
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Fail.
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Fail.
Hi Obama money contributor !
Tell us all how much you sent him ?
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Hi Obama money contributor !
Tell us all how much you sent him ?
I made several donations. Now address the thread question posted in the first post or just stop posting in the thread. Nobody, not one person made a direct answer to my question. Yet you two clowns want to claim the high ground and demand I answer questions I've already answered ::)
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Hugo, I see you have removed your Obama photo, and went back to the Hugo Chavez photo.
I guess it is too late to get your donations back from Obama............ oh well, here we come Socialist-ville !!!!!!
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Hugo, I see you have removed your Obama photo, and went back to the Hugo Chavez photo.
I guess it is too late to get your donations back from Obama............ oh well, here we come Socialist-ville !!!!!!
I switched back to Hugo way before Obama was sworn in. Now what you got gimmick?
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I switched back to Hugo way before Obama was sworn in. Now what you got gimmick?
Having buyer's remorse I see !
You are as pathetic as they come.
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Having buyer's remorse I see !
You are as pathetic as they come.
You don't actually read anything I type do you?... I could say anything about you and you wouldn't even know... haha, this is going to be fun... You remember that strange pm you sent me saying you were going to off yourself because you couldn't handle being a dog molester anymore and I called the humane society on you... how'd that work out for you?
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This was interesting... Personally, I think--if cartoonists can portray Bush as a chimp then they should be able to portray Obama as a chimp. To tolerate one and not the other is the REAL racism, in my opinion.
That being said--again, for the umpteenth time, I do not believe the chimp in that cartoon was meant to portray Obama. Obama did not pen the Stimulus Bill, did he? No he didn't. So I'm sorry, but people who equated the chimp with Obama were ill-informed at best.
http://enews.earthlink.net/article/ent?guid=20090220/499e46e0_3ca6_15526200902201797588295 (http://enews.earthlink.net/article/ent?guid=20090220/499e46e0_3ca6_15526200902201797588295)
Cartoonists treading lightly when drawing Obama
By JESSE WASHINGTON (AP National Writer)
From Associated Press
February 20, 2009 3:54 PM EST
Cartoonist Lalo Alcaraz was in front of a classroom full of black and Latino kids, drawing presidents. He sketched Bush, then Clinton. Next came his favorite, the man he voted for: Obama.
"Hey, those lips are big," Alcaraz heard a black girl say from the back of the room.
Alcaraz was disturbed. "I try to bend over backwards not to make him look like a cartoon stereotype," and certainly not a racial stereotype, he said.
Editorial cartoonists are bending over backwards a lot these days, as they try to satirize the nation's first black president. And when they don't, the result is the kind of outcry that erupted this week after a New York Post cartoon featured a bloody chimpanzee - intentionally or unintentionally evoking racist images of the past.
The problem is, cartoonists make their living by making fun of people - especially presidents - and exaggerating their features and foibles.
The best political cartoons are "like an X-ray machine," said Amelia Rauser, an art history professor at Franklin & Marshall College and author of "Caricature Unmasked," which examines the art form's historical role in political discourse.
"You have to deform someone facially in order to make a larger point about their character," Rauser said. "But that deformity reveals their inner truth and makes them look more like themselves."
The late Herblock often saddled Richard Nixon with an enormous cartoon nose. Liberals drew George W. Bush like a simpleton, or worse. There have been minor kerfluffles from the left about drawing Hillary Clinton as insufficiently feminine, and from the right about depicting Condoleezza Rice as servile to President Bush.
Drawings of President Barack Obama, however, must contend with America's history of degrading racial imagery, from ape comparisons to enormous "Sambo" lips. (Caricatures of the president's admittedly large ears have so far escaped scrutiny.)
Michael Cavna, who blogs about comics for The Washington Post, wrote that "an unnerving number of North America's political cartoonists are bizarrely obsessed with President Obama's lips." He followed with a detailed analysis of several cartoons where Obama's lips were large, some shade of blue, or both.
On Wednesday, the New York Post published an editorial cartoon showing a chimp shot to death by police officers. "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill," the caption reads.
Amid widespread black condemnation, the Post initially defended the panel by its longtime cartoonist Sean Delonas, saying it referred to a chimp that recently attacked its owner's friend and was killed by police. The newspaper apologized "to those who were offended" after 200 protecters picketed the Post offices on Thursday.
During the presidential campaign, The New Yorker magazine was accused of racism for an infamous cartoon of Obama dressed as a Muslim, fist-bumping his wife, Michelle, who was toting a machine gun and sporting a black-power Afro. The magazine said it was satirizing right-wing smears of the Obamas.
Scott Stantis, editorial cartoonist for The Birmingham (Ala.) News, said he received several complaints this week that his Obama drawings look "simian." As a conservative in a city that's 77 percent black, Stantis has learned to consider the feelings of his audience.
"Being the typical American editorial cartoonist - doughy, white, middle-aged - I'm more than willing to accept that I don't know what may or may not be offensive," he said. "But editorial cartoons are supposed to be offensive, and provocative. We're entering new waters here. What can you use or not use?"
"All my characters look simian," he said. "I don't make Obama look nearly as simian as our former Gov. Fob James, who I DID draw as a monkey, on more than one occasion. And he's a white guy ... I'm sorry, but when it comes to African-Americans, you just don't draw monkeys."
Ted Rall, president of the American Association of Editorial Cartoonists, said that Obama's race has affected how his colleagues do their jobs: "Without a doubt, people are stepping more gingerly. People are tiptoeing their way through this."
Rall, who is liberal, said it's harder to take shots at Obama because he's smart, charming and handsome, "so when you attack the personality, people suspect there's only one reason: It's gotta be his race. My conservative cartoonist friends find it very frustrating."
One of those conservative friends, Mike Lester of the Rome News Tribune in Georgia, said that when he was growing up, "if we didn't make fun of you, we didn't like you."
Perhaps race relations would improve, Lester said, if black people lightened up a bit: "They're not too good (at being) made fun of. We can all take a joke."
Lester said Rall told him before the election that an Obama presidency would be good for conservative cartoonists, but "it's been just the opposite. I find myself having to temper my comments. I'm tired of it. (Obama) wants my money, he wants me to pay for my neighbor's foreclosed house that he can't afford.
"Race has nothing to do with it."
That's what Delonas said about his cartoon in the Post. So as the nation's edgy fraternity of editorial cartoonists continues to unload on Obama, lines will inevitably be crossed again.
"Being an editorial cartoonist is a high-wire act," Rall said. "If you're any good, you're taking lots of chances all the time. When you take chances, you fall and you screw up."
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why don't you get on the same page as the point of the thread? Depicting the shooting of political figures. That's never been ok.
On a side note, comparing Bush to a monkey isn't racist. Comparing a black man to a monkey is a long tradition for racists. 2nd, Bush looks chimpish in appearance and facial expressions so it's a natural characture of him. Think intent. The cartoonist has been around politics long enough to know what's up.
So,if they depicted Obamas wife as an APE as she is the spitting image of an ape,then that would be ok because its accurate?
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In the same Newsapaper, they did the same thing to Condoleezza Rice over a year ago
Not a word from one Liberal then...............
Link please.
BTW, I've repeatedly defended Bush when a douche bag on this site was comparing him to Hitler.
Do I think Bush was a failure?
Yes.
Do I think he is one of the worst US presidents of modern times?
Without a doubt.
But he sure ain't no Adolf Hitler.
So I called out the fcuking asshole who made that bullshit comparison.
Defending attacks that are out of line on the president on the USA is just...
Don't you see how it could be a problem? ???
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Link please.
BTW, I've repeatedly defended Bush when a douche bag on this site was comparing him to Hitler.
Do I think Bush was a failure?
Yes.
Do I think he is one of the worst US presidents of modern times?
Without a doubt.
But he sure ain't no Adolf Hitler.
So I called out the fcuking asshole who made that bullshit comparison.
Defending attacks that are out of line on the president on the USA is just...
Don't you see how it could be a problem? ???
just about every lefty on this board laughed and made light of bush getting shoes thrown at him bro, posted video games, made assinine comments about it. That happend in real life...REAL FUKING LIFE, this is a cartoon and has illicited more outrage from those guys then the event that took place in real life.
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just about every lefty on this board laughed and made light of bush getting shoes thrown at him bro, posted video games, made assinine comments about it. That happend in real life...REAL FUKING LIFE, this is a cartoon and has illicited more outrage from those guys then the event that took place in real life.
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That happend in real life...REAL FUKING LIFE
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
;D ;D ;D
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OMG MELTDOWN HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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;D ;D ;D
glad you find somebody disrespecting the leader of our country hillarious ::) then again you probably got upset about the cartoon...
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glad you find somebody disrespecting the leader of our country hillarious ::) then again you probably got upset about the cartoon...
I didn't care about the cartoon, The bill does look like it was written by a monkey.
I'm all for criticizing any member of our government.
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glad you find somebody disrespecting the leader of our country hillarious ::) then again you probably got upset about the cartoon...
The guy was brave. Who wouldn't want to (at the very least) throw a shoe at the man who destroyed your country?
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U mean these
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U mean these
you people are about as thick as it gets... read the fucking thread. Still not one person to simply answer the question. Thanks for the same shit red herring posted by everyone else hh6... do you really not get the purpose/point of the thread ?::)
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So,if they depicted Obamas wife as an APE as she is the spitting image of an ape,then that would be ok because its accurate?
I swear that if Obama will divorce her, that alone will be a reason for me to vote for him.
She looks like a super complaining bitch, I can't stand looking at her!!