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Oh brother ::)
for those delts
they are..
his rear delt sticks out farther than his tri..
his tri isnt round and sweeping like heath or flexs
relaxed the back of is arm looks straight completeley over powered by his delts
another screen cap....
like i said the fact that you have to be looking for rare screen caps to suggest nassers arms werent a weakpoint point proves my point...
you could throw up any shot to prove he had big delts
but when it comes to arms you have to go looking for vidcaps
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let it go man
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i agree.... for his torso they werent over developed as they were with the likes of flex of levrone, thing with nasser what realy let him down was the lack of striations, especialy in the arms..
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i agree.... for his torso they werent over developed as they were with the likes of flex of levrone, thing with nasser what realy let him down was the lack of striations, especialy in the arms..
lack of striations? ::)
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exactly Bobs, "meso" is delusional, he claims his arms are a shade under 20 inches at 205 pounds. ::)
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Oh brother ::)
His biceps , triceps were awesome his forearms sucked
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He did have to use synthol or esciline (spelling?) but so did the other guys like levrone and Flex so it was all fair
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He did have to use synthol or esciline (spelling?) but so did the other guys like levrone and Flex so it was all fair
i was just reading an old MD article by Flex where he admitted that he was doing 21 Esiclene injections at once and would get so tired from it that he would pass out. :o
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seriously though,
it is getting to be a bit much, no?
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i was just reading an old MD article by Flex where he admitted that he was doing 21 Esiclene injections at once and would get so tired from it that he would pass out. :o
You of all people should know that whatever Flex says should be taken with a grain of salt
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You of all people should know that whatever Flex says should be taken with a grain of salt
why admit to taking MORE shit than you did? seems like if a bb'er is going to lie he'd lie about taking LESS to make his genetics sound better.
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why admit to taking MORE shit than you did? seems like if a bb'er is going to lie he'd lie about taking LESS to make his genetics sound better.
He doesn't need to fluff up his genetics , he always admitted that putting size on was very hard for him ( natural ectomorph ) I usually don't put much faith in what Flex says read his book lol
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He doesn't need to fluff up his genetics , he always admitted that putting size on was very hard for him ( natural ectomorph ) I usually don't put much faith in what Flex says read his book lol
He said that he would do a T-formation on his delts with the Escilene. Which does sound credible, and logical. Across the three heads, and down the side delt, I assume.
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He said that he would do a T-formation on his delts with the Escilene. Which does sound credible, and logical. Across the three heads, and down the side delt, I assume.
It does but until he passed out?
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All I see is a "underdeveloped" back
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All I see is a "underdeveloped" back
hahaha, yeah real "underdeveloped" here ::)
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It does but until he passed out?
I don't know about that, he was at lighter bodyweight back before heis accident, so maybe, the "passing out" business was after his accident, when he was trying to overcompensate. I beleive, that like he said, when he saw the 1994 Mr. Olympia, that his mind was too far blown away, and he believed that he would never reach that type or level again, so when he came back he started doing everything and anything. I beleived he came back TOO soon. He needed to take another yr off. Had he done that, he might have won the 1996 Arnold Classic
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hahaha, yeah real "underdeveloped" here ::)
LOL look how much thicker and bigger Yates back is, all his muscle groups are much more defined.
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i never said his arms were underveloped i say they are small for his torso... and the are all the pics posted top refute my point are either vid cap screen shots.. or carefully selected one post any pic of wheeler or heath their arms look big from whatever angle...... like rhul nasser triceps were lacking especially in comparision to their biceps also big bobs i stated my opnion about bodybuilding no need to mention my name in the thread header (title) a lot of people expressed opinions about nasser on the thread too , what now are you gonna make a thread for each of them with their names in the title.... i dont mind debating but dont make it personal.. dont be like the biggest loser on the site.. I need not mention any names
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mes 8)
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hahaha, yeah real "underdeveloped" here ::)
Nasser getting destroyed by both Shawn and Dorian's backs in that pic - the only visible muscle group that Nasser is beating them on there is hamstrings.
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Nasser getting destroyed by both Shawn and Dorian's backs in that pic - the only visible muscle group that Nasser is beating them on there is hamstrings.
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hahaha, yeah real "underdeveloped" here ::)
His back sucks period , he's being destroyed by Yates ( obviously ) and Ray
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His back sucks period , he's being destroyed by Yates ( obviously ) and Ray
if having a bigger, thicker, more detalied back is "getting destroyed" then yes Nasser is "getting destroyed".
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More of Nasser's "undeveloped" back ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=263918.0;attach=304288;image)
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if having a bigger, thicker, more detalied back is "getting destroyed" then yes Nasser is "getting destroyed".
His back is biger ( and it should be he's weighs much more than Dorian ) thicker WRONG more detailed WRONG
please Google the word delusional & ignorant these apply to your ' assessment ' Coleman could come close to Dorian the back department , Nasser LMFAO
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More of Nasser's "undeveloped" back ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=263918.0;attach=304288;image)
Not a good picture to choose - he's getting destroyed by Ronnie and Flex here. :D
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Not a good picture to choose - he's getting destroyed by Ronnie and Flex here. :D
haha I never knew having a wider lat spread (especially compared to Flex) = getting destroyed ::)
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haha I never knew having a wider lat spread (especially compared to Flex) = getting destroyed ::)
You don't know a LOT on how bodybuilding is judged , especially when you're claiming Dorian is getting beat in a back shot by Nasser
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if having a bigger, thicker, more detalied back is "getting destroyed" then yes Nasser is "getting destroyed".
Next you'll be saying how attractive you think Nassers face and balding head is.
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haha I never knew having a wider lat spread (especially compared to Flex) = getting destroyed ::)
You don't win bodybuilding contests just for being wide - you win them for being the best. Hence the reason Nasser has never won an Olympia.
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More of Nasser's "undeveloped" back ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=263918.0;attach=304288;image)
It's smooth as a babies ass with zero visable detail what so ever
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Next you'll be saying how attractive you think Nassers face and balding head is.
He does have movie star good looks
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He does have movie star good looks
LOL I almost fell out of my chair, how delusional are you? I'm sure hollywood is banging at the door of this over weight, balding, cross eyed bag of oil.
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LOL look how much thicker and bigger Yates back is, all his muscle groups are much more defined.
yates back is not thicker and bigger or wider than Nasser's.
it appears drier.
it may have been a genetic predisposition that Nasser was not able to get his back as dry as the rest of his body because there is no doubt he always came in great ripped, shredded and striated condition.
so it is not a question of body fat but fluid, hence nasser's back doesnt appear as dry as the rest of him
for some BB's, eg lee priest, he holds water in glutes and hams (never had striated glutes)
to say Nasser's back was not thick and wide and detailed shows your ignorance re BB.
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yates back is thicker and bigger or wider than Nasser's.
it appears drier.
Fixed
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yates back is not thicker and bigger or wider than Nasser's.
it appears drier.
it may have been a genetic predisposition that Nasser was not able to get his back as dry as the rest of his body because there is no doubt he always came in great ripped, shredded and striated condition.
so it is not a question of body fat but fluid, hence nasser's back doesnt appear as dry as the rest of him
for some BB's, eg lee priest, he holds water in glutes and hams (never had striated glutes)
to say Nasser's back was not thick and wide and detailed shows your ignorance re BB.
NO ' genetic predisposition ' to Nasser's weak back here he is in 1994 showing awesome detail , separation & depth , his problem was...the heavier he became the more fat & water he carried in his back
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NO ' genetic predisposition ' to Nasser's weak back here he is in 1994 showing awesome detail , separation & depth , his problem was...the heavier he became the more fat & water he carried in his back
There's a big difference in tint and lighting there. Here he's heavier than he was in the 97 O picture you post and he's showing more back detail too.
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yates back is not thicker and bigger or wider than Nasser's.
it appears drier.
it may have been a genetic predisposition that Nasser was not able to get his back as dry as the rest of his body because there is no doubt he always came in great ripped, shredded and striated condition.
so it is not a question of body fat but fluid, hence nasser's back doesnt appear as dry as the rest of him
for some BB's, eg lee priest, he holds water in glutes and hams (never had striated glutes)
to say Nasser's back was not thick and wide and detailed shows your ignorance re BB.
Brilliant and truly insightful post as usual from the Swami. People like NastyDiet could learn from him. Swami has but a handful posts yet they are all deeply intelligent and productive. Meanwhile ND has 25 thousand posts and they are garbage. Type less, read the Swami, Bigbobs and QO etc... more and you'll actually learn something. Seriously.
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There's a big difference in tint and lighting there. Here he's heavier than he was in the 97 O picture you post and he's showing more back detail too.
His back sucks period , it's wide and smooth , lacks depth , detail and separation YOU may think it's fine but he is being left for dead by Dorian it's not debatable , Dorian's back is complete in all areas , width , depth , thickness , separation and detail
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More of Nasser's "undeveloped" back ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=263918.0;attach=304288;image)
Nasser's glutes are being destroyed by Ronnie's in that picture
;D ;D :D :D
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Brilliant and truly insightful post as usual from the Swami. People like NastyDiet could learn from him. Swami has but a handful posts yet they are all deeply intelligent and productive. Meanwhile ND has 25 thousand posts and they are garbage. Type less, read the Swami, Bigbobs and QO etc... more and you'll actually learn something. Seriously.
Congratulating your own gimmick ::)
I'm glad you read everyone of my 25K posts ;) I didn't know you were such a fan
anyway Nasser's back sucked at least when he decided to play the size game , in 1994 it was good
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Congratulating your own gimmick ::)
I'm glad you read everyone of my 25K posts ;) I didn't know you were such a fan
anyway Nasser's back sucked at least when he decided to play the size game , in 1994 it was good
Wrong. His back was very wide and thick, and only lacked detail next to the very top guys. In other words, overall his back was one of the better ones onstage when considering all competitors. Put into account his massive and striated delts and arms, ripped hams, large calves and he has one of the best rear double bicep shots in certain shows.
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Wrong. His back was very wide and thick, and only lacked detail next to the very top guys. In other words, overall his back was one of the better ones onstage when considering all competitors. Put into account his massive and striated delts and arms, ripped hams, large calves and he has one of the best rear double bicep shots in certain shows.
Too reasoned and enlightened response my friend - of course 100% spot on. It's wasted on ND though.
Here is his same argument and phrases used time and time again:
"its sucks"
"owned"
"i win"
"you dont understand how bodybuilding is judged"
This is the limit of his reasoning.
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Wrong. His back was very wide and thick, and only lacked detail next to the very top guys. In other words, overall his back was one of the better ones onstage when considering all competitors. Put into account his massive and striated delts and arms, ripped hams, large calves and he has one of the best rear double bicep shots in certain shows.
has nasser ever been known for his arms in any pose..
at least dorian is known for his side tri
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Brilliant and truly insightful post as usual from the Swami. People like NastyDiet could learn from him. Swami has but a handful posts yet they are all deeply intelligent and productive. Meanwhile ND has 25 thousand posts and they are garbage. Type less, read the Swami, Bigbobs and QO etc... more and you'll actually learn something. Seriously.
thankyou sharma
ND obviously is the resident expert on BB
maybe he is one of those corrupt + cheating IFBB judges, ruled by Manion, that so unjustly robbed Nasser of @ least 3 olympias
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Too reasoned and enlightened response my friend - of course 100% spot on. It's wasted on ND though.
Here is his same argument and phrases used time and time again:
"its sucks"
"owned"
"i win"
"you dont understand how bodybuilding is judged"
This is the limit of his reasoning.
and:
"left for the dead"
"all you have are excuses"
Really though all I was showing above is that it's not true that Nasser began holding more fat and water in his back than when at a higher bodyweight. He keeps using a 97 picture (which is not his best) with bad lighting too, but put it against the 96 shot I posted with better lighting, coupled with the fact that he was 5 lbs heavier in 96 than 97 disproves ND's theory on Nasser's back losing detail as he gained weight. However, when I make that point the only thing his simple mind can interpret is that I'm comparing the shot to his fanboy Dorian (even though I never even mentioned Dorian in my post), and starts comparing Dorian's back to Nasser's. Looks like he's always on the defensive due to Hulkster's obsession.
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has nasser ever been known for his arms in any pose..
at least dorian is known for his side tri
front double bi's :o
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thankyou sharma
ND obviously is the resident expert on BB
maybe he is one of those corrupt + RACIST + cheating IFBB judges, ruled by Manion, that so unjustly robbed Nasser of @ least 3 olympias
FFY
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Wrong. His back was very wide and thick, and only lacked detail next to the very top guys. In other words, overall his back was one of the better ones onstage when considering all competitors. Put into account his massive and striated delts and arms, ripped hams, large calves and he has one of the best rear double bicep shots in certain shows.
well keep iceskating uphill , even Nasser admitted his back was his weak point and mistake a soft back for a dense back when claiming it was thick , no use being ' thick ' if your density & dryness suffer for it
his back double biceps pose , rear latspread and standing relaxed from the rear DO NOT compared to Ronnie Coleman , Dorian Yates
the standing relaxed pic you love to post is from a contest where he got destroyed by Flex Wheeler , he can't even touch Flex in the back double biceps shot
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Congratulating your own gimmick ::)
so is suckmymuscle your gimmick too then? Since you are both Yates fans? ::)
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The thing is that Nasser did not have a bad back at all in his peak years. It just wasn't quite as stunning as his front. This is not surprising as Nasser is arguably the greatest bodybuilder from the front in the history of the sport. However, Nasser absolutely killed Yates from the front. The discrepancy of quality in Nasser better Yates from the front is far, far greater than the supposed slight victory Dorian enjoyed from the back. Thus the margin of Nasser's dominance is far greater.
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well keep iceskating uphill , even Nasser admitted his back was his weak point and mistake a soft back for a dense back when claiming it was thick , no use being ' thick ' if your density & dryness suffer for it
his back double biceps pose , rear latspread and standing relaxed from the rear DO NOT compared to Ronnie Coleman , Dorian Yates
the standing relaxed pic you love to post is from a contest where he got destroyed by Flex Wheeler , he can't even touch Flex in the back double biceps shot
Brutal lack of width on Flex in that shot :-\
Nasser admitted his back was his weak point, yet in a near-perfect physique a "weak point" can still be better than most people onstage, especially considering there are more than 15-20 competitors. Just because his back was not as detailed as Dorian or Wheeler or Ronnie does not mean that overall his back was one of the better ones onstage. Couple that with the fact that he destroys everyone else from the front and sides and you have your uncrowned Mr. Olympia
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Too reasoned and enlightened response my friend - of course 100% spot on. It's wasted on ND though.
Here is his same argument and phrases used time and time again:
"its sucks"
"owned"
"i win"
"you dont understand how bodybuilding is judged"
This is the limit of his reasoning.
No it's NOT you go look at my explanation on exactly how and why he doesn't compare , Team Nasser is infamous for posting blanket statements with NO explanation what so ever , how can any of you comment on who has a better pose when NONE of you know how contests are judged? you can't
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The thing is that Nasser did not have a bad back at all in his peak years. It just wasn't quite as stunning as his front. This is not surprising as Nasser is arguably the greatest bodybuilder from the front in the history of the sport. However, Nasser absolutely killed Yates from the front. The discrepancy of quality in Nasser better Yates from the front is far, far greater than the supposed slight victory Dorian enjoyed from the back. Thus the margin of Nasser's dominance is far greater.
LOL. Awesome logic. I think I'm woozy, now.
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The thing is that Nasser did not have a bad back at all in his peak years. It just wasn't quite as stunning as his front. This is not surprising as Nasser is arguably the greatest bodybuilder from the front in the history of the sport. However, Nasser absolutely killed Yates from the front. The discrepancy of quality in Nasser better Yates from the front is far, far greater than the supposed slight victory Dorian enjoyed from the back. Thus the margin of Nasser's dominance is far greater.
Exactly, and also while Yates had a better back overall than Nasser he didn't quite decisively beat Nasser "from the back" either because of Nasser's better arms, delts and hamstrings that come out in the rear double biceps pose.
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so is suckmymuscle your gimmick too then? Since you are both Yates fans? ::)
If that's what you believe , knock yourself out I could care less ...Team Nasser posts in blocks of low post counts all ' backing up ' each other claims what does that tell you? I post under this name and that's it I don't need any gimmicks
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If that's what you believe , knock yourself out I could care less ...Team Nasser posts in blocks of low post counts all ' backing up ' each other claims what does that tell you? I post under this name and that's it I don't need any gimmicks
I don't believe suckmymuscle is your gimmick, but I was questioning your logic in being so sure that swami is Sharma's gimmick. What makes you so sure? You are quite wrong if you still believe that.
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Exactly, and also while Yates had a better back overall than Nasser he didn't quite decisively beat Nasser "from the back" either because of Nasser's better arms, delts and hamstrings that come out in the rear double biceps pose.
Oh I agree completely Bobs. That's why I said 'supposed' victory as I didn't want to give the pumkinheads to avoid the actual point and instead take us off on a tangent of debating details that are irrelevant to the overall argument - as they so often do!!
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Oh I agree completely Bobs. That's why I said 'supposed' victory as I didn't want to give the pumkinheads to avoid the actual point and instead take us off on a tangent of debating details that are irrelevant to the overall argument - as they so often do!!
Hehe. Yeah, wouldn't want to veer into racist or corruption 'tangents.' How do you sleep at night? ???
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and:
"left for the dead"
"all you have are excuses"
Really though all I was showing above is that it's not true that Nasser began holding more fat and water in his back than when at a higher bodyweight. He keeps using a 97 picture (which is not his best) with bad lighting too, but put it against the 96 shot I posted with better lighting, coupled with the fact that he was 5 lbs heavier in 96 than 97 disproves ND's theory on Nasser's back losing detail as he gained weight. However, when I make that point the only thing his simple mind can interpret is that I'm comparing the shot to his fanboy Dorian (even though I never even mentioned Dorian in my post), and starts comparing Dorian's back to Nasser's. Looks like he's always on the defensive due to Hulkster's obsession.
Not quite YOU used a pic of Nasser with Dorian there are many of him without YOU choose that one ;) his back sucks against Flex , Ronnie , Ray etc , etc , etc don't try and divert the discussion
bottom line his back sucks he admitted this many times , you're an apologist and try and downplay this major flaw but you're biased , when you downplay his back it fits into your conspiracy theory on how he was a victim , history proves he was unworthy you can only deny it
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I don't believe suckmymuscle is your gimmick, but I was questioning your logic in being so sure that swami is Sharma's gimmick. What makes you so sure? You are quite wrong if you still believe that.
I never said I was ' sure ' that's your words , in all probability it is ...in the end all guys with nominal post counts backing up each others points of view are suspect , hey they need to try and convince everyone that Nasser was more than what he was and they need all the help they can get ;D
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I don't believe suckmymuscle is your gimmick, but I was questioning your logic in being so sure that swami is Sharma's gimmick. What makes you so sure? You are quite wrong if you still believe that.
When Ron did out the gimmick it was interesting that the ones who keep accusing others of gimmick were the ones who actually had them.
I have genuinely learned a lot from Swami's posts and just wanted to let him know that, as there are so many sad, angry, disaffected failures of the gutter class with terrible lives, that people of his intelligence often end up leaving as it's just not worth slumming it with such types.
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actually i think Hulkster is NarcoticDick's gimmick ;)
like the dreadlord/barracuda ,Hulkster/Narcotic DIck is an unemployed loser with no life outside of getbig who is having 25000+ posts, arguing endlessly with himself :)
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When Ron did out the gimmick it was interesting that the ones who keep accusing others of gimmick were the ones who actually had them.
I have genuinely learned a lot from Swami's posts and just wanted to let him know that, as there are so many sad, angry, disaffected failures of the gutter class with terrible lives, that people of his intelligence often end up leaving as it's just not worth slumming it with such types.
LOL. A subscriber to Adonis' Snobbery Monthly, are we?
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Brutal lack of width on Flex in that shot :-\
Nasser admitted his back was his weak point, yet in a near-perfect physique a "weak point" can still be better than most people onstage, especially considering there are more than 15-20 competitors. Just because his back was not as detailed as Dorian or Wheeler or Ronnie does not mean that overall his back was one of the better ones onstage. Couple that with the fact that he destroys everyone else from the front and sides and you have your uncrowned Mr. Olympia
Wow lack of width huh ? compared to who? Nasser? NO SHIT he's probably 60 pounds lighter lol
his back was among the worse on any stage , it's not only detail which you mistakenly argue is his only flaw , it's depth , density and development , it's that crisp muscularity as well
Nasser El Sonbaty 3 times at least Mr. Olympia ............front the front ;)
good from the sides and atrocious from the back
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, history proves he was unworthy you can only deny it
history didnt prove Nasser unworthy, a corrupt trio called DeMilia, weinberger and Manion robbed Nasser of what clearly should have been his.
if people only knew what really went on behind the doors of the abovementioned- perhaps they should read Nasser's book to find out the truth.
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actually i think Hulkster is NarcoticDick's gimmick ;)
like the dreadlord/barracuda ,Hulkster/Narcotic DIck is an unemployed loser with no life outside of getbig who is having 25000+ posts, arguing endlessly with himself :)
Ad homenin attacks are a sign of the intellectually bankrupt , when confronted with facts and can't argue intelligent attack the person lol great logic
and really intelligent the way you replaced parts of my name with male anatomy that's real original , I've never seen that before ::) what would Freud say?
and 25K posts in 5 years and I still ONLY average 13 a day while your compatriot Dave does 38 , yet you claim I'm the loser and he's so intelligent lol more great logic
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LOL. A subscriber to Adonis' Snobbery Monthly, are we?
You telling me you don't see a little bit of irony and perversity in people who are: unemployed, unemployable, on welfare living off taxpayer, failures at school, failures in love, job, life , everything , constantly attacking a guy who: has a masters degree, elite IQ, best physique ever, earned millions of dollars. Sold million dollar property. Has women trying to sleep with him all the time.
These fat, insipid little slimy slugs attacking a guy like that with their inferior brains and fat fingers from their ashamed parents' house. You don't think that funny and a little strange?
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history didnt prove Nasser unworthy, a corrupt trio called DeMilia, weinberger and Manion robbed Nasser of what clearly should have been his.
if people only knew what really went on behind the doors of the abovementioned- perhaps they should read Nasser's book to find out the truth.
lmfao the Wizard of excuses
FACT Weinberger judged Yates ONLY once and placed his second , opppssss so much for that theory
FACT Nasser competed in 53 IFBB pro shows and won just 6 of them that's a win/loss ratio of 11% face facts he was a good bodybuilder but judging from his career certainly not a great one , you can't argue with history just deny it
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You telling me you don't see a little bit of irony and perversity in people who are: unemployed, unemployable, on welfare living off taxpayer, failures at school, failures in love, job, life , everything , constantly attacking a guy who: has a masters degree, elite IQ, best physique ever, earned millions of dollars. Sold million dollar property. Has women trying to sleep with him all the time.
These fat, insipid little slimy slugs attacking a guy like that with their inferior brains and fat fingers from their ashamed parents' house. You don't think that funny and a little strange?
I think it would be safe to say that hyperbole is a not unheard concern with regards to either Nasser's supporters or his detractors. Get over yourself is all I'm saying. You'll end up like TA in his $1500 John Lobb boots, and you wouldn't want that. ;)
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You telling me you don't see a little bit of irony and perversity in people who are: unemployed, unemployable, on welfare living off taxpayer, failures at school, failures in love, job, life , everything , constantly attacking a guy who: has a masters degree, elite IQ, best physique ever, earned millions of dollars. Sold million dollar property. Has women trying to sleep with him all the time.
These fat, insipid little slimy slugs attacking a guy like that with their inferior brains and fat fingers from their ashamed parents' house. You don't think that funny and a little strange?
meltdown
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history didnt prove Nasser unworthy, a corrupt trio called DeMilia, weinberger and Manion robbed Nasser of what clearly should have been his.
if people only knew what really went on behind the doors of the abovementioned- perhaps they should read Nasser's book to find out the truth.
QFMFT!!!
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Not quite YOU used a pic of Nasser with Dorian there are many of him without YOU choose that one ;) his back sucks against Flex , Ronnie , Ray etc , etc , etc don't try and divert the discussion
bottom line his back sucks he admitted this many times , you're an apologist and try and downplay this major flaw but you're biased , when you downplay his back it fits into your conspiracy theory on how he was a victim , history proves he was unworthy you can only deny it
That's because the pics I have of Nasser's back I wanted to use to prove my point have Dorian in them too, yet you being so obsessed with "Dorian vs. Nasser" missed my point and assumed I was trying to compare Nasser's back to Dorian's.
Flex and Ray's back are both too narrow to compare to Nasser's. Nasser's back never "sucked" it was just his weaker point, but when considering the "weak" point of one of the best (if not the best) physique of all time it is not exactly "weak," just not quite as good as the top guys. Similarly one can say that Yates' front "sucked" - actually in 97 it did :-\
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I never said I was ' sure ' that's your words , in all probability it is ...in the end all guys with nominal post counts backing up each others points of view are suspect , hey they need to try and convince everyone that Nasser was more than what he was and they need all the help they can get ;D
Your post accused Swami of being Sharma's gimmick, so you must have been sure enough or believed the probability was high enough to make that accusation.
When Ron did out the gimmick it was interesting that the ones who keep accusing others of gimmick were the ones who actually had them.
x2 - even that "GigantorX" guy keeps dropping in and accusing Nasser fans of being gimmicks, when he was outed as using 3 accounts.
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That's because the pics I have of Nasser's back I wanted to use to prove my point have Dorian in them too, yet you being so obsessed with "Dorian vs. Nasser" missed my point and assumed I was trying to compare Nasser's back to Dorian's.
Flex and Ray's back are both too narrow to compare to Nasser's. Nasser's back never "sucked" it was just his weaker point, but when considering the "weak" point of one of the best (if not the best) physique of all time it is not exactly "weak," just not quite as good as the top guys. Similarly one can say that Yates' front "sucked" - actually in 97 it did :-\
Again YOU posted a pic of Yates and ironically one on which past occasions you claimed Nasser was winning so again you have other pics YOU choose that one
and again narrow? no shit both are in the low 200s a wider softer back isn't a better one , his back sucked compared to MANY of his competitors you may be willing to overlook this glaring flaw , the judges weren't
Yates from the front did suck in 1997 in the front double biceps pose , in the front latspread despite being among his worse showings easily held his own and in the ab-thigh again held his own
So lets entertain Nasser did beat Dorian in ALL front shot in 1997 and ? he couldn't touch Dorian at his best ( or worse ) the ONLY pose I'm willing to concede Nasser could beat Dorian in at their bests is the ab-thigh and it would be damn close and maybe every other poses Dorian at his best is simply the better of the two
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Your post accused Swami of being Sharma's gimmick, so you must have been sure enough or believed the probability was high enough to make that accusation.
x2 - even that "GigantorX" guy keeps dropping in and accusing Nasser fans of being gimmicks, when he was outed as using 3 accounts.
Again sure is your words NOT mine , and I could care less either way ...you guys need all the help you can get convincing the world that Nasser was more than what he was , Good luck ;)
and I don't keep accusing him of a gimmick that's the first time I did and using Sharma's logic seeing the_swami accused me of being Hulkster , he just exposed himself as a gimmick lol
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lmfao the Wizard of excuses
FACT Weinberger judged Yates ONLY once and placed his second , opppssss so much for that theory
but do you know who was staying @ whose house and who was sleeping in who's bed and who was sharing hotel rooms with who and who was training in who's gym ?
perhaps if you'd known FACTS that only the Wizard of Truth knows you'd have a better idea of the injustices perpetrated on Nasser just because he was not a brown- noser/bum chum (unlike Yates) of the Demilia, Manion, weinberger trio
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ND claims Nasser's back lacks thickness! ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75544.0;attach=85483;image)
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ND claims Nasser's back lacks thickness! ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75544.0;attach=85483;image)
lats look 2 feet thick in that shot from front to back. :o
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lats look 2 feet thick in that shot from front to back. :o
Exactly, and even his lower back curves outward due to its ridiculous thickness. Yet ND will cling to his belief that Nasser is "narrow" from the side and that his back lacked "thickness" and dismiss any photo evidence to the contrary with the blanket response that "bodybuilding contests are not judged that way" ::)
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Exactly, and even his lower back curves outward due to its ridiculous thickness. Yet ND will cling to his belief that Nasser is "narrow" from the side and that his back lacked "thickness" and dismiss any photo evidence to the contrary with the blanket response that "bodybuilding contests are not judged that way" ::)
best abs ever on a big man as well evidenced by that shot.
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Exactly, and even his lower back curves outward due to its ridiculous thickness. Yet ND will cling to his belief that Nasser is "narrow" from the side and that his back lacked "thickness" and dismiss any photo evidence to the contrary with the blanket response that "bodybuilding contests are not judged that way" ::)
yes, skinny Nasser looks especially thin from the side ::)
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ND claims Nasser's back lacks thickness! ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75544.0;attach=85483;image)
hahah his abs stick out further than his chest, can someone say bloated oily mess
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ND claims Nasser's back lacks thickness! ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75544.0;attach=85483;image)
Thickness compared to Dorian Yates absolutely
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but do you know who was staying @ whose house and who was sleeping in who's bed and who was sharing hotel rooms with who and who was training in who's gym ?
perhaps if you'd known FACTS that only the Wizard of Truth knows you'd have a better idea of the injustices perpetrated on Nasser just because he was not a brown- noser/bum chum (unlike Yates) of the Demilia, Manion, weinberger trio
I knew Yates stood with Steve & Bev , don't act like you're privy to some secret information lol again Steve judged him just once and placed him second to Momo , so much for that theory ;)
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Exactly, and even his lower back curves outward due to its ridiculous thickness. Yet ND will cling to his belief that Nasser is "narrow" from the side and that his back lacked "thickness" and dismiss any photo evidence to the contrary with the blanket response that "bodybuilding contests are not judged that way" ::)
You're starting to sound like Hulkster ( much in common with the retarded one you have ) I never said he was narrow I said he doesn't beat Dorian from the sides please show me where I said he was narrow , I said he was good from the sides and his back compared to Dorian isn't thick , wide & soft yes
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hahah his abs stick out further than his chest, can someone say bloated oily mess
talk about a backfire lmao
great pointy about the abs
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how can anyone take anything that team nasser says seriously?
their dogmatic non objective approach is actually embarrasing
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how can anyone take anything that team nasser says seriously?
their dogmatic non objective approach is actually embarrasing
That's not PC. It's reality-challenged, bub. >:( :D
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Yeah, they're all under-developed. ::) ::) ::) Somebody needs glasses!!! 8) 8) 8)
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I knew Yates stood with Steve & Bev , don't act like you're privy to some secret information lol again Steve judged him just once and placed him second to Momo , so much for that theory ;)
all i can say is wait for the book and the chapter on the man known as "the Plumber"
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You don't win bodybuilding contests just for being wide - you win them for being the best. Hence the reason Nasser has never won an Olympia.
QFT
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ND claims Nasser's back lacks thickness! ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75544.0;attach=85483;image)
Was this taken at your G4P session with Nasser?
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BIGBOBS:
Where does MESO ever say Nasser's arms were "underdeveloped"?
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abbs/belly overpowering chest arms and back there!
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BIGBOBS:
Where does MESO ever say Nasser's arms were "underdeveloped"?
He said relative to his delts they are underdeveloped, I included a few quotes at the start.
abbs/belly overpowering chest arms and back there!
his arms are stretched upward so obviously his chest thickness won't show in that pic ::) If you want to see chest thickness here you go ;)
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Well done actually understanding what Welfaremorph78 said. I find his gibberish to be barely comprehensible and even when you get to the bottom of his childish scrawls, it's something arrogant and unjustifiably judgemental. Then again, he only praises those of darker hue. Sadly, Nasser is just a shade too light.
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your quotes from MESO never mentioned "underdeveloped" though ??? You're misquoting MESO.
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that beach picture is insane. :o
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your quotes from MESO never mentioned "underdeveloped" though ??? You're misquoting MESO.
If you really care, click on the quotes and read the thread he posted them in, which gives more background. ::)
Not the brightest crayon in the box are you? :-\
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Nasser is a muscleman
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If you really care, click on the quotes and read the thread he posted them in, which gives more background. ::)
Not the brightest crayon in the box are you? :-\
Just show me where MESO used the word "underdeveloped". I'd like to read THAT quote.
Is it possible you're misquoting him? Or are you just summing up where you think he means?
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Just show me where MESO used the word "underdeveloped". I'd like to read THAT quote.
Is it possible you're misquoting him? Or are you just summing up where you think he means?
Holy crap, who cares what the exact word he used was? Maybe he did use it, maybe he used something else that meant the same thing - check the original thread if it's that important to you. ::)
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Thickness compared to Dorian Yates absolutely
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Holy crap, who cares what the exact word he used was? Maybe he did use it, maybe he used something else that meant the same thing - check the original thread if it's that important to you. ::)
Stop putting words in people's mouths. This place will be better that way.
That is all.
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Just show me where MESO used the word "underdeveloped". I'd like to read THAT quote.
Is it possible you're misquoting him? Or are you just summing up where you think he means?
exactly...
plus a lot of people said a lot of stuff about nasser why take my name and start a thread...
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Thanks for playing though ;)
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Dorian has a short ass torso and some long legs, weird structure.
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Dorian has a short ass torso and some long legs, weird structure.
Actually he doesn't it's Nasser who has a long torso and short legs , Ronnie has a true short torso and long legs , Dorian's balance is near perfect check out the pic with Ronnie and notice the torso lengths
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Thanks for playing though ;)
So Dorian's back is slightly wider than Nasser's and he's spreading his arms out further too - how does that show that Dorian was "thicker" as you claim? Hence, the ::) emoticon remains ;)
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So Dorian's back is slightly wider than Nasser's and he's spreading his arms out further too - how does that show that Dorian was "thicker" as you claim? Hence, the ::) emoticon remains ;)
exactly, the back THICKNESS looks exactly even to me and as you said Yates' back is wider but he's holding his arms differently, but a wider back doesn't compare to all the other places where Nasser kills Dorian.
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So Dorian's back is slightly wider than Nasser's and he's spreading his arms out further too - how does that show that Dorian was "thicker" as you claim? Hence, the ::) emoticon remains ;)
Take a look at the following muscles ALL are thicker than Nasser , traps , lats , teres , infraspinatus and spinal erectors , his back is wider , thicker and is more developed and detailed , Nasser's back is HUGE and soft i.e. he's carrying more intramuscular fat which is NOT the same as dense muscle that's a fact
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exactly, the back THICKNESS looks exactly even to me and as you said Yates' back is wider but he's holding his arms differently, but a wider back doesn't compare to all the other places where Nasser kills Dorian.
ND can not produce a single picture showing that Dorian was "thicker" than Nasser because it's simply not true. It's just one of those excuses ND likes to use that can't be proven, similar to "Dorian had a graininess that you could only see in person and not in pictures." ::)
And yes, Nasser beat Dorian in every bodypart from the front.
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exactly, the back THICKNESS looks exactly even to me and as you said Yates' back is wider but he's holding his arms differently, but a wider back doesn't compare to all the other places where Nasser kills Dorian.
don't mistake volume for density , having a big smooth back isn't the same as having a dense dry back MAJOR difference
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Take a look at the following muscles ALL are thicker than Nasser , traps , lats , teres , infraspinatus and spinal erectors , his back is wider , thicker and is more developed and detailed , Nasser's back is HUGE and soft i.e. he's carrying more intramuscular fat which is NOT the same as dense muscle that's a fact
You can't tell thickness from a one dimensional picture, sorry. You're a dumbass if you think otherwise.
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Holy crap, who cares what the exact word he used was? Maybe he did use it, maybe he used something else that meant the same thing - check the original thread if it's that important to you. ::)
LOL. You do, bobs. You using quotation marks around the word 'underdeveloped' in the thread title was my first clue. ;)
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ND can not produce a single picture showing that Dorian was "thicker" than Nasser because it's simply not true. It's just one of those excuses ND likes to use that can't be proven, similar to "Dorian had a graininess that you could only see in person and not in pictures." ::)
And yes, Nasser beat Dorian in every bodypart from the front.
Now you're just being silly , I just posted a pic of Dorian with a clearly thicker back and YOU mention width ::) DENSITY trumps Volume , Nasser has a lot of volume in his back it's not dense , he's carrying more intramuscular fat than Dorian clearly evident in the lack of any depth , separation and detail
NO excuses needed Dorian's back is eons better than Nasser's it's not open for discussion Nasser said this himself , and Dorian's graininess can be seen on film , it shows up much better on black & white photos . so again wrong again
This is thickness personified
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You can't tell thickness from a one dimensional picture, sorry. You're a dumbass if you think otherwise.
ouch ' dumbass ' now you're getting personal lol someone is getting frustrated , actually YOU can tell thickness via a one dimensional photo it's just harder to do which is why I also supplemented it with a reference from Nasser acknowledging his back pales in comparison
one of these backs is thicker than the other I'll let YOU decide if you can spot which one via a one dimensional photo ;D
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One of these guys has a really thick back compared to the other , I wonder which one it is? ??? I can't seem to tell via a one dimensional photo LMFAO
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ouch ' dumbass ' now you're getting personal lol someone is getting frustrated , actually YOU can tell thickness via a one dimensional photo it's just harder to do which is why I also supplemented it with a reference from Nasser acknowledging his back pales in comparison
one of these backs is thicker than the other I'll let YOU decide if you can spot which one via a one dimensional photo ;D
One back is more detailed than the other, but not thicker.
The only way you can compare thickness is with a picture of them both standing at a side angle.
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One back is more detailed than the other, but not thicker.
The only way you can compare thickness is with a picture of them both standing at a side angle.
ha ha more than detail separates those backs and why the need for comments like ' dumbass ' ? I never showed you any disrespect like that ;)
you can tell thickness due to depth as well , and we all know Nasser's back has NONE you're arguing Nasser's back is just as thick as Dorians it's not worthy of a response it's laughable
Dorian wrote the book on back thickness
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LOL. You do, bobs. You using quotation marks around the word 'underdeveloped' in the thread title was my first clue. ;)
Ouch that's gonna leave a mark ;D
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ha ha more than detail separates those backs and why the need for comments like ' dumbass ' ? I never showed you any disrespect like that ;)
you can tell thickness due to depth as well , and we all know Nasser's back has NONE you're arguing Nasser's back is just as thick as Dorians it's not worthy of a response it's laughable
Dorian wrote the book on small arms, big stomach and torn bodyparts.
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I forgot your arms were bigger than his , thanks for reminding me ;)
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ha ha more than detail separates those backs and why the need for comments like ' dumbass ' ? I never showed you any disrespect like that ;)
Gee, a little sensitive are we? ::) Sorry if that bothered you.
you can tell thickness due to depth as well , and we all know Nasser's back has NONE you're arguing Nasser's back is just as thick as Dorians it's not worthy of a response it's laughable
Dorian wrote the book on back thickness
Like I said, finding a picture of them from the sides is the only way you can compare thickness. Just because a certain bodypart has deeper cuts does not automatically make it "thicker." You have access to tons of pictures, I'm sure you can find one from the side that shows Dorian looking "thicker" Here's one where they were both at 270 (Nasser smaller than usual and Dorian bigger than usual) and Nasser still looks thicker (except Dorian's got him beaten on waist thickness)
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LOL. You do, bobs. You using quotation marks around the word 'underdeveloped' in the thread title was my first clue. ;)
ding ding ding!
Exactly.
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Gee, a little sensitive are we? ::) Sorry if that bothered you.
Like I said, finding a picture of them from the sides is the only way you can compare thickness. Just because a certain bodypart has deeper cuts does not automatically make it "thicker." You have access to tons of pictures, I'm sure you can find one from the side that shows Dorian looking "thicker" Here's one where they were both at 270 (Nasser smaller than usual and Dorian bigger than usual) and Nasser still looks thicker (except Dorian's got him beaten on waist thickness)
I don't get web-sensitive , you're the one getting frustrated
Again pictures mean ZERO compared to video and video means ZERO compared to actually being there , now if you can get a few quotes talking about how Nasser's back is thicker than Dorians I'll entertain it but until then I'll just laugh that statement off
and NOT just depth , density please learn the word , a wide soft back doesn't mean its as thick as a wide hard back
Dorian at 270 same as Nasser , looking much bigger and thicker ;)
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Gee, a little sensitive are we? ::) Sorry if that bothered you.
Like I said, finding a picture of them from the sides is the only way you can compare thickness. Just because a certain bodypart has deeper cuts does not automatically make it "thicker." You have access to tons of pictures, I'm sure you can find one from the side that shows Dorian looking "thicker" Here's one where they were both at 270 (Nasser smaller than usual and Dorian bigger than usual) and Nasser still looks thicker (except Dorian's got him beaten on waist thickness)
from the side , countdown to the excuses .....3......2......1
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I don't get web-sensitive , you're the one getting frustrated
Again pictures mean ZERO compared to video and video means ZERO compared to actually being there , now if you can get a few quotes talking about how Nasser's back is thicker than Dorians I'll entertain it but until then I'll just laugh that statement off
and NOT just depth , density please learn the word , a wide soft back doesn't mean its as thick as a wide hard back
Dorian at 270 same as Nasser , looking much bigger and thicker ;)
Still failing to produce a picture from the side that makes Dorian look thicker? Doesn't even have to be just back thickness, as you always say that Dorian was thicker overall from the sides than Nasser - so show one pic from 95 to 97 showing that.
And LOL at your claim that Dorian looks "much bigger and thicker" there haha, he has slightly wider lats which are ruined since his waist is much wider, abs cave outward and look deformed next to Nasser's tight, crisp 8-pack
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from the side , countdown to the excuses .....3......2......1
Thanks for proving my point of failing to produce pictures from the side that show Yates is thicker. All the first pic shows is that Yates is more flexible to pull his arm further back - sorry but the position you hold your arms does not automatically make your muscles thicker ;)
Second pic Dorian looks thicker - in the gut!
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Thanks for proving my point of failing to produce pictures from the side that show Yates is thicker. All the first pic shows is that Yates is more flexible to pull his arm further back - sorry but the position you hold your arms does not automatically make your muscles thicker ;)
Second pic Dorian looks thicker - in the gut!
Well the part where I continue to take your point of view seriously just flew out the window , all those pics proves Dorian is thicker , denial is your friend and a common trait among Nasser fans , denial about how good he was , how he wasn't screwed over , how he wins back shots against Dorian Yates
for the last time equal size or width muscles doesn't mean equal thickness DENSITY trumps volume , Nasser's back wide and soft , Dorian's wide and dense there fore thicker because more of the intramuscular fat is gone , so it's more pure muscle and less fat ..Nasser was hard from the front and soft from the back it's old news he doesn't compare
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
this is Dorian in a nut shell and why his back is a LOT thicker than Nasser
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Proves what? Dorian isn't posing yet ? and you have the nerve to accuse Hulkster of this? lol see hypocrite look at BOTH of them full flexed and Dorian crushing Nasser from the side ;)