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...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world...
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So you're saying we need to alter the socialist trend Obama is starting?
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You do not possibly think this is a new trend?
Well, I would certainly not advocate overthrowing the government but I think there needs to be a change in politics in general. Obama is just the normal liberal agenda on roids. He has not and will not bring anything new except more debt and a screwed up country. I truly believe that until politicians stop listening to outside influences and act in the interest of the country that there will always be problems. Sure there will always be crime and poor but we all get bent over the table at the expense of business.
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You do not possibly think this is a new trend?
YES HE DOES...because sadly this is the STUPIDITY of the average america,. They would better SUFFER ILLS AND COMPLAIN than to do what is necessary to make things better.
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Well, I would certainly not advocate overthrowing the government but I think there needs to be a change in politics in general. Obama is just the normal liberal agenda on roids. He has not and will not bring anything new except more debt and a screwed up country. I truly believe that until politicians stop listening to outside influences and act in the interest of the country that there will always be problems. Sure there will always be crime and poor but we all get bent over the table at the expense of business.
So according to your logic...everything in america is fine...one just needs to shut up, follow orders, submit and obey, suck it up and grin and bear it!!!
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...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world...
The founders of this nation were true brave and brilliant patriots.
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So according to your logic...everything in america is fine...one just needs to shut up, follow orders, submit and obey, suck it up and grin and bear it!!!
Ok hero what should we do, burn our mud huts and sling shit at people like in ur country?
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Ok hero what should we do, burn our mud huts and sling shit at people like in ur country?
Do whatever you need to do to get a better government and if slinging shit is what it takes then damn it grab a handful and start slinging!!!!
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We don't do that in this country, the Dems will be voted out of power in Congress in 2010, assuming they don't want to continue the super Lib experiment. Obama will get crushed in 2012 if the Repubs or somebody can sell the message of handouts equal destruction.
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We don't do that in this country, the Dems will be voted out of power in Congress in 2010, assuming they don't want to continue the super Lib experiment. Obama will get crushed in 2012 if the Repubs or somebody can sell the message of handouts equal destruction.
THAT'S WHY YOUR DUMB ASSES ARE IN THE SHAPE YOU ALL ARE IN...SLING THAT SHIT!!!!!!
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OK monkeyboy, where are u from.
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the two party "ahem" one party system does not work.
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both parties are complicit in the direction the country is going. I'm tired of reading/hearing blame the rep's or blame the dem's.
Its the whole government.
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Damn that was a mini rant. ;D
Rant off
Cheers ! 8)
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It appears from his last post that is exactly what he believes. Things went wrong only when Obama and Dems got in power. ::)
I give up.
Lol, anytime a government gets too big for it's britches it needs to be reigned in. You never posted this during the BUSH administration so why would I comment on the large role government played during his 8 years? It's a new administration so I would apply the example to that administration. I favor a traditional conservative government and think what Obama is doing is atrocious, so sure I would love to see his policies fail at the expense of the Dems and pray that a REAL Republican can step in and do some good for the country. Republicans fuck up too, I admit that readily. Overthrowing a government is stupid in this day and age. Your power comes with your vote but sadly too many people vote in the wrong people.
Some things to keep in mind Samson and Hugo, 1.) the President alone cannot dictate everything the country does without Congress, 2.) a Democrat majority Congress had a lower approval rating than Bush. Both parties mess up but the liberal agenda is certainly not working in the interest of the country. Deal with it.
Change the people in government and you will see a government worth supporting.
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...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world...
Love this.
We're not there (again) yet.
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Lol, anytime a government gets too big for it's britches it needs to be reigned in. You never posted this during the BUSH administration so why would I comment on the large role government played during his 8 years? It's a new administration so I would apply the example to that administration. I favor a traditional conservative government and think what Obama is doing is atrocious, so sure I would love to see his policies fail at the expense of the Dems and pray that a REAL Republican can step in and do some good for the country. Republicans fuck up too, I admit that readily. Overthrowing a government is stupid in this day and age. Your power comes with your vote but sadly too many people vote in the wrong people.
Some things to keep in mind Samson and Hugo, 1.) the President alone cannot dictate everything the country does without Congress, 2.) a Democrat majority Congress had a lower approval rating than Bush. Both parties mess up but the liberal agenda is certainly not working in the interest of the country. Deal with it.
Change the people in government and you will see a government worth supporting.
You honestly believe that presidents are elected by the people???? OH BOY... there has never been a president ELECTED by the people..Elections are con games given to americans in an attempt to make them feel like they are really living in a democracy, If after the Bush SELECTION you are not aware of the real nature of how the political system works, then you are in BAAAAAAAAD SHAPE. Bush Sr. was SELECTED, Clinton was SELECTED, Bush Jr was SELECTED and Obama was SELECTED and as you can see from the years of changing presidents..it does not matter who is in the whitehouse the PLAN (objective of government ) remains the same. Obama promised the sun and the moon during his campaign and delivered absolutely NONE OF IT...and based on what he is doing so far (catering to BIG BUSINESS AND BANKERS) the people of america are about to be sucker punched into UNCONSCIOUSNESS. Things will not be getting better for america...It will be getting HORRIBLY WORST as big business and bankers take total control of the nation and subject the people to cruelty that would make Stalin, Lennin and Hitler look like ANGELS.
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OWNED.
;D ;D ;D
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What's really friggin disturbing is how quiet all these right-wingers were during the Bush debacle and how apocalyptic they've become...
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What's really friggin disturbing is how quiet all these right-wingers were during the Bush debacle and how apocalyptic they've become...
Bush was a horrible president, but Obama is worse in that he is seeking to pursue goals and ends that are radical and destructive far worse than Bushs' were.
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I mean Bush never proposed new energy taxes, card check, etc.
Bush set the stage for this disaster, but it seems like Obama is just using W as an excuse to be more of the same and consolidate even more power in the hands of a few with the bailouts, NWO, etc.
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Bush was a horrible president, but Obama is worse in that he is seeking to pursue goals and ends that are radical and destructive far worse than Bushs' were.
Dude, Bush was not the president. Bush was a tool, a puppet. Cheney was the one making all economic decisions. Rumsfeld was the one making all the policy decisions. In essence Bush was a DISGRACE, be it a republican or a democrat or whatever you are. I find it hard to believe that Obama, who I do not like, mind you, is on the same fuck up level plainfield than Bush. Remember Katrina? Remember War in Iraq? Remember the tripling of the national debt? Reading to children for 7 more minutes after he was told "the country is under attack"? Opening concentration camps in Guantánamo where torture DID take place?
Did Obama accomplish anything of this magnitude?
If you say yes then you've drank the cool aid my friend.
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I mean Bush never proposed new energy taxes, card check, etc.
Bush set the stage for this disaster, but it seems like Obama is just using W as an excuse to be more of the same and consolidate even more power in the hands of a few with the bailouts, NWO, etc.
you're missing the entire freaking point. We can tit for tat all day long between Bush and Obama, it's fucking goddamned fucking pointless. It's the same game by the same people. That's what they want you and me and all of us doing, sitting here bitching back and forth, distracted while they fuck us. There was a whole line of extensive insane bullshit that came at us under Bush, now we're in for the same. Of course the brunt of it is going to come with the new guy being popular, duh, that's what happened with Bush too. We need to drop their divide and rule strategy and fucking join forces.
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you're missing the entire freaking point. We can tit for tat all day long between Bush and Obama, it's fucking goddamned fucking pointless. It's the same game by the same people. That's what they want you and me and all of us doing, sitting here bitching back and forth, distracted while they fuck us. There was a whole line of extensive insane bullshit that came at us under Bush, now we're in for the same. Of course the brunt of it is going to come with the new guy being popular, duh, that's what happened with Bush too. We need to drop their divide and rule strategy and fucking join forces.
333386 thinks everyone's a democrat and a republican, and all arguments follow this line. I mean, how weird is that? What's wrong is wrong, regardless of who does it. Once you lose that ability then...
How about damn Yankees huh?!
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333386 thinks everyone's a democrat and a republican, and all arguments follow this line. I mean, how weird is that? What's wrong is wrong, regardless of who does it. Once you lose that ability then...
How about damn Yankees huh?!
That's the kind of person I've always been accused of being.
We really really need to get the corporations out of power. Bush/Obama/Clinton, what's the difference in that regard, they're all corporate yes men apparently. Obama talked the talk better than anybody before but I'm not seeing the change yet. This fascist bullshit needs to end now.
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That's the kind of person I've always been accused of being.
We really really need to get the corporations out of power. Bush/Obama/Clinton, what's the difference in that regard, they're all corporate yes men apparently. Obama talked the talk better than anybody before but I'm not seeing the change yet. This fascist bullshit needs to end now.
Well, that is a hard thing to do, simply because we've been raised to accept pseudo-fascist ideals from the moment we enter the school system. By this I mean our perception of America has been distorted to such a point that we only see it in terms of nation X, populated by people Y who only speak language N and are eternally obedient to leader F (known as the fascist formula). As opposed to the Founding Fathers' clear intentions of creating a geographical area or space of freedoms (called the United States of America) within which all people were free to do as they pleased (if indoingso no one was harmed,) regardless of race, religion or creed.
It is obvious we are now in a pseudo-fascist regime, and we have not seen the evils of fascism yet because we are exporting the hate part. The problem is that the hate will eventually come home, and we can all remember what happened in Germany, or Europe as a whole, when the "spreading of freedom" came to a halt.
(http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/images/Jasenovac%20prisoner%20being%20beheaded%20with%20a%20saw.jpg)
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333386 thinks everyone's a democrat and a republican, and all arguments follow this line. I mean, how weird is that? What's wrong is wrong, regardless of who does it. Once you lose that ability then...
How about damn Yankees huh?!
Whats wrong is wrong is right! Bush set the stage for this disaster with the Congress. He will go down as a horrible president. However, dont be so quick that the Congress and Senate too did this! Pelosi telling the GOP congressman who voted against the bailout that they were "unpatriotic"??????
Bush and Obama are nearly the same and even Krugman and Frank Rich today are starting to say that.
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That's the kind of person I've always been accused of being.
We really really need to get the corporations out of power. Bush/Obama/Clinton, what's the difference in that regard, they're all corporate yes men apparently. Obama talked the talk better than anybody before but I'm not seeing the change yet. This fascist bullshit needs to end now.
"Change" was just a slogan to fool people. The people behind Obama are the same as those who were behind Bush. Goldman Sachs/AIG/ etc.
If these gamblers and madoffs were allowed to fail and go bankrupt, they would not be in a position to screw us like they are now.
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Whats wrong is wrong is right! Bush set the stage for this disaster with the Congress. He will go down as a horrible president. However, dont be so quick that the Congress and Senate too did this! Pelosi telling the GOP congressman who voted against the bailout that they were "unpatriotic"??????
Bush and Obama are nearly the same and even Krugman and Frank Rich today are starting to say that.
Pelosi? Can you find one single person left or right here that support or defends her? I haven't seen it.
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Whats wrong is wrong is right! Bush set the stage for this disaster with the Congress. He will go down as a horrible president. However, dont be so quick that the Congress and Senate too did this! Pelosi telling the GOP congressman who voted against the bailout that they were "unpatriotic"??????
Bush and Obama are nearly the same and even Krugman and Frank Rich today are starting to say that.
Dude, I am not saying otherwise. Drop the politics rhetoric. I do not like Obama one friggin bit. But equating Congress' acquiescence to whatever GW wanted to do to Bush's outright IDIOCY and MALACY toward anything he did not understand, including American's freedoms, is really puzzling to me.
George W. Bush was a total FUCKUP! George W. Bush was the worst thing to happen to the US in many, many years. You being unable to say that or being unable to say it without also putting some blame on Congress is... I'm speechless.
You've drunk the cool-aid my friend.
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Well, that is a hard thing to do, simply because we've been raised to accept pseudo-fascist ideals from the moment we enter the school system. By this I mean our perception of America has been distorted to such a point that we only see it in terms of nation X, populated by people Y who only speak language N and are eternally obedient to leader F (known as the fascist formula). As opposed to the Founding Fathers' clear intentions of creating a geographical area or space of freedoms (called the United States of America) within which all people were free to do as they pleased (if indoingso no one was harmed,) regardless of race, religion or creed.
It is obvious we are now in a pseudo-fascist regime, and we have not seen the evils of fascism yet because we are exporting the hate part. The problem is that the hate will eventually come home, and we can all remember what happened in Germany, or Europe as a whole, when the "spreading of freedom" came to a halt.
How did these so called founding fathers create this geographical region? They did it by first killing MILLIONS of Native People who had lived in the region now called america for thousands of years.
So far as doing what one pleases...that is the reason for the moral decay in america...there are no boundaries, no guidelines, no inhibitions, no limitations that restrict behavior. So therefore america has become a VIOLENT, CORRUPT, GREED FILLED SOCIETY that pays no regard to anything. Your government is a reflection of the society as a whole. EXCESS, GREED, WANTON, CARELESS DISREGARD, etc..Now you can SEE IT (finally) and you don't like what you see. And just as government refuses to change, so does the populace refuse to change. So on the destructive path you continue until like Frankensteins monster, your creation comes back and kills you.
And please don't try to blame the school system, or the church, or your neighbor etc etc..As long as things were going good in america no one gave a damn about anything..now that you all are moments away from poverty, a police state, homelessness, etc you are now SOOOOOOOO concerned about government, laws, people, constitution, etc...It is too late now what is coming won't be stopped and it won't be good.
Sort of like the movie KNOWING... you know what is coming and knew it was coming for some time and now that it is almost upon you...there is nothing you can do to stop it.
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I did actually
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=125451.0
Fair enough, I never read it. Apparently it wasn't that popular back then but it's gaining some with Barry at the reigns and his liberal parrot Pelosi ruining running Congress. Just saying. ;D
Slapper.... ::) You do see how much money Barry has spent in such a short time right? You see how he says the the deficit will be down to 500 billion in 8 years but his REAL budget will bring the deficit to 9.3 trillion? He's the biggest bullshit artist we have seen yet. You can blame Bush all you want but the relaxation of the housing market was pushed big time by Mush-mouth Barney Frank and other Democrats who thought everyone deserved to be in a home. People actually think 13 dollars a week (that they will get taxed on) is going to make any difference. The easiest was to balance a budget is to cut spending and pay off your debt. If Barry actually held a real job he would know that.
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Dude, I am not saying otherwise. Drop the politics rhetoric. I do not like Obama one friggin bit. But equating Congress' acquiescence to whatever GW wanted to do to Bush's outright IDIOCY and MALACY toward anything he did not understand, including American's freedoms, is really puzzling to me.
George W. Bush was a total FUCKUP! George W. Bush was the worst thing to happen to the US in many, many years. You being unable to say that or being unable to say it without also putting some blame on Congress is... I'm speechless.
You've drunk the cool-aid my friend.
No, what i am saying is that the Congress is just at fault here as Bush, and now Obama.
Congress has completely abrogated its role.
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Fair enough, I never read it. Apparently it wasn't that popular back then but it's gaining some with Barry at the reigns and his liberal parrot Pelosi ruining running Congress. Just saying. ;D
It was a pretty popular quote during the Bush years. Odd that you would think it wouldn't be.
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"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide." And, "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty. But a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever."--John Adams
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"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide." And, "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty. But a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever."--John Adams
Great quote.
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It was a pretty popular quote during the Bush years. Odd that you would think it wouldn't be.
No, I just never saw the thread and it didn't get as many hits as this thread, although we have digressed a bit. I'm not defending every Bush action so don't get that impression. I think you are right about business fucking this country but I think our vote has more power than Samson thinks. However, we will likely never know if there a politician that isn't being controlled.
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No, I just never saw the thread and it didn't get as many hits as this thread, although we have digressed a bit. I'm not defending every Bush action so don't get that impression. I think you are right about business fucking this country but I think our vote has more power than Samson thinks. However, we will likely never know if there a politician that isn't being controlled.
actually I posted it a few time in General, but those threads have been deleted. Not sure if you were posting then. I'm not sure about our vote anymore either.
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actually I posted it a few time in General, but those threads have been deleted. Not sure if you were posting then. I'm not sure about our vote anymore either.
I might not have been, dunno to be honest. If you happen to see, let me know ;D. I still think our vote is valid but the people we have to choose from are nothing special.
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I might not have been, dunno to be honest. If you happen to see, let me know ;D. I still think our vote is valid but the people we have to choose from are nothing special.
You should check out that HBO special, Hacking Democracy. It's pretty good, and alarming. They nail some dems in it too.
The other parts here:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ddwormydog&view=videos&query=hacking
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No, what i am saying is that the Congress is just at fault here as Bush, and now Obama.
Congress has completely abrogated its role.
So, in your words, Congress is as much a fuckup as Bush is a fuckup?
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So, in your words, Congress is as much a fuckup as Bush is a fuckup?
100% percent. They jammed through the bailouts without requiring accountability. Remember the three page Paulson document???
They jammed through the stimulous without reading it.
They let the wars go on without accountability.
They abrogated their war making powers to the president.
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How did these so called founding fathers create this geographical region? They did it by first killing MILLIONS of Native People who had lived in the region now called america for thousands of years.
So far as doing what one pleases...that is the reason for the moral decay in america...there are no boundaries, no guidelines, no inhibitions, no limitations that restrict behavior. So therefore america has become a VIOLENT, CORRUPT, GREED FILLED SOCIETY that pays no regard to anything. Your government is a reflection of the society as a whole. EXCESS, GREED, WANTON, CARELESS DISREGARD, etc..Now you can SEE IT (finally) and you don't like what you see. And just as government refuses to change, so does the populace refuse to change. So on the destructive path you continue until like Frankensteins monster, your creation comes back and kills you.
And please don't try to blame the school system, or the church, or your neighbor etc etc..As long as things were going good in america no one gave a damn about anything..now that you all are moments away from poverty, a police state, homelessness, etc you are now SOOOOOOOO concerned about government, laws, people, constitution, etc...It is too late now what is coming won't be stopped and it won't be good.
Sort of like the movie KNOWING... you know what is coming and knew it was coming for some time and now that it is almost upon you...there is nothing you can do to stop it.
Look, I'm on your side on this one, and have made the same arguments you're making before. The problem is that people in this forum are a little short on "storage capacity" and you have to break some of the things down somewhat. For example the Founding Fathers seem to have hit it big here, that's why I'm trying to use it as an argument, because you can't lose with the "if it was good enough for the FF it's good enough for us" rhetoric. Hence if the FF had the idea of a free America (even though historical record show the country shamelessly going in the opposite direction, hypocritical I know, but then again this is an anglo-saxon domain and AAs are big on hypocrisy) why do we seem to be going in the opposite direction?
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You should check out that HBO special, Hacking Democracy. It's pretty good, and alarming. They nail some dems in it too.
The other parts here:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ddwormydog&view=videos&query=hacking
I will. I am partisan (duh) but I think Repubs right now are just as stupid and gutless as Dems. I wish the Republican party was truly conservative but sadly it is not. Those are ideals I believe in and I see shades of it still there in some individuals but the party has clearly lost it's way. As for Dems, I just don't believe in what they preach.
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100% percent. They jammed through the bailouts without requiring accountability. Remember the three page Paulson document???
They jammed through the stimulous without reading it.
They let the wars go on without accountability.
They abrogated their war making powers to the president.
true, Bush may have pronounced himself The Decider with powers to do whatever he wants but Congress went right along with it and said fine by us. And Pelosi takes the cake when she gets in and says impreachment is off the table. ::) That has got to be the absolute worst thing to just come out and say. Might as well say, green light Mr. President, do whatever the fuck you want and not only that, we approve.
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100% percent. They jammed through the bailouts without requiring accountability. Remember the three page Paulson document???
They jammed through the stimulous without reading it.
They let the wars go on without accountability.
They abrogated their war making powers to the president.
Thus, using your logic, similar fault lies in she/he who commits the crime as in those who had the chance to stop the crime but didn't (for whatever reason).
W-O-W.
Cool-aid anyone?
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[...]Slapper.... ::) You do see how much money Barry has spent in such a short time right? You see how he says the the deficit will be down to 500 billion in 8 years but his REAL budget will bring the deficit to 9.3 trillion? He's the biggest bullshit artist we have seen yet. You can blame Bush all you want but the relaxation of the housing market was pushed big time by Mush-mouth Barney Frank and other Democrats who thought everyone deserved to be in a home. People actually think 13 dollars a week (that they will get taxed on) is going to make any difference. The easiest was to balance a budget is to cut spending and pay off your debt. If Barry actually held a real job he would know that.
I've said time and time again I am not political with this issue. I ask simple questions from a non-political perspective. When I ask you who put the current administration in the current economic conumdrum I do not expect to be told that it's congress' fault. I expect you to think things out and say "Bush and his economic team". It's clear and simple. Yes, we can blame everything that's occuring now, economically speaking, on the democratic puppet, but that does not solve the underlying problem of current presidencies which is they no longer serve "For the people".
You all can fight and bitch and moan about democrats and republicans and beat around the bush (no pun intended) all you want but facts are facts. Numbers do not lie, and unless we can somehow find truth in all of this we will be beating a dead horse for many years to come:
(http://www.well.com/user/sunbear/deficit.jpg)
That is who fucked up. It's no question. He is the leader and ALL blame is to be put on his sorry Texan ass.
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Thus, using your logic, similar fault lies in she/he who commits the crime as in those who had the chance to stop the crime but didn't (for whatever reason).
W-O-W.
Cool-aid anyone?
If congress never passed the bailout in the first place, AIG would not be in a position to give bailouts at all.
Congress are bigger criminals IMHO than the corporations since the congress has the power to tax and confiscate. .
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If congress never passed the bailout in the first place, AIG would not be in a position to give bailouts at all.
Congress are bigger criminals IMHO than the corporations since the congress has the power to tax and confiscate. .
Congress are corporate employees ;D
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It appears from his last post that is exactly what he believes. Things went wrong only when Obama and Dems got in power. ::)
I give up.
piss on socialism.......
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Congress are corporate employees ;D
Obama is a used car salesman.
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Obama is a used car salesman.
I'm not defending him right now, have at it. Just don't try to tell me Bush was the shit ::)
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If congress never passed the bailout in the first place, AIG would not be in a position to give bailouts at all.
Congress are bigger criminals IMHO than the corporations since the congress has the power to tax and confiscate. .
Yes, but how did we come to the point that companies needed be bailed out? Let's find the cause. I betcha it's nonpolitical.
Congressmen are assholes. Some of them are as ignorant as they get, but play the compulsive socialite like no one else. Having said this, and knowing that many of them have zero idea of some of the things they sign, I can see how someone can easily pressure them into signing a 1000-page book under the false premise that not doing so in the next 7 minutes is going to cause major financial catastrophe.
Would you sign it or not?