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Venezuela's Chavez calls Obama "ignoramus"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE52L19G20090322?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
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uncanny, both of us around the same time :o
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Venezuela's Chavez calls Obama "ignoramus"
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE52L19G20090322?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
He's right...
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uncanny, both of us around the same time :o
Where is Straw, Benny, and Lurker????????
Schiff/Celente - 2012!
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While I hate Obama...Hugo come on u fat worthless commie.....put down the ho ho's and fix ur own 3rd world shithole before mouthing off to us.
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While I hate Obama...Hugo come on u fat worthless commie.....put down the ho ho's and fix ur own 3rd world shithole before mouthing off to us.
uh, looks like unemployment and poverty are way down there. Literacy rate is way up. This despite a corporate revolt, a recall attempt and a coup attempt and every other thing they could do to undermine him.
unemployment chart:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ve&v=74
Poverty:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=69&c=ve&l=en
Literacy:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=39&c=ve&l=en
Public Debt:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=143&c=ve&l=en
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And to think, only 30%+ inflation (rocketing up), Caracas is the murder capitol of the world, people are starving because of massive food shortages and a host of other issues! Yes, success! ::)
He seems intent on starving the entire population by setting the price for foods like rice at a level where every firm goes broke.
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Not shocking considering everything that's been done by globalist neoliberals and America to undermine everything under Chavez. 99% fail up against that force yet he's managed to improve several areas. Amazing actually.
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Not shocking considering everything that's been done by globalist neoliberals and America to undermine everything under Chavez. 99% fail up against that force yet he's managed to improve several areas. Amazing actually.
He hasn't managed to improve shit dude. Their inflation is skyrocketing. Their people are starving. Their capital is the murder center of the world. He's bankrupting every firm and civilian producer of rice. They're importing more and more because no one can produce at the government set prices.
No one's telling him to set the price of rice at levels where NO ONE can produce it profitably. He's starving that country because he's a thick headed twat who can't govern correctly. Not that I care. Couldn't be any more hilarious watching you idolize a failure of a leader.
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Inflation rate:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=71&c=ve&l=en
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Inflation rate:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=71&c=ve&l=en
It's over 30 percent right now. Pretty nice jump up from 2008. He's working wonders. Hahahaha.
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He hasn't managed to improve shit dude. Their inflation is skyrocketing. Their people are starving. Their capital is the murder center of the world. He's bankrupting every firm and civilian producer of rice. They're importing more and more because no one can produce at the government set prices.
No one's telling him to set the price of rice at levels where NO ONE can produce it profitably. He's starving that country because he's a thick headed twat who can't govern correctly. Not that I care. Couldn't be any more hilarious watching you idolize a failure of a leader.
Look what happened under Carlos Andrés Pérez, yet he's a hero to neoliberal anti-Chavez crowd. Kind of a hypocritical to hold him up as the man while and nail Hugo for inflation at the same time. There are elements at work to undermine him that effect things like inflation and employment. So I ask, what would the picture look like for Venezuela without all the moves by the most powerful nation and globalist organizations in the world seeking to undermine everything Chavez does? Again, it's a freaking miracle he's still there. most would have fallen with those forces against them.
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Can you give me a valid reason for his seeming desire to starve the Venezuelan population? He can't be too smart if he's willing to drive out every producer of rice by setting prices at levels where the producers stand no chance of making profits and are in-fact losing money on everything they produce.
Nice little article from two weeks ago on the whole situation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/4938993/Venezuelas-Hugo-Chavez-tightens-state-control-of-food-amid-rocketing-inflation-and-food-shortages.html
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Can you give me a valid reason for his seeming desire to starve the Venezuelan population? He can't be too smart if he's willing to drive out every producer of rice by setting prices at levels where the producers stand no chance of making profits and are in-fact losing money on everything they produce.
Nice little article from two weeks ago on the whole situation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/4938993/Venezuelas-Hugo-Chavez-tightens-state-control-of-food-amid-rocketing-inflation-and-food-shortages.html
You want to talk about starving the population? How many people do you think went hungry when over half of the population lived under the poverty line before Chavez?
http://www.cepr.net/documents/venezuelan_poverty_rates_2006_05.pdf
Were you guys bitching about that then? probably not.
As I said, there are heavy forces at work to undermine Chavez and it would be silly to say these were not factors in these problems you bring up.
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LOL- Hugo I used to think your name was just meant tongue in cheek. You really think Hugo Chavez is a good leader and is good for Venezuela?
You do know who we are talking about right? The Hugo Chavez in your avatar. The moron who was told to shut his mouth midway through a tirade before the UN. The one who locks up voices of dissention and has made himself dictator for life. Just to be clear- I'm not undermining your point of view. I just wanted to make sure we are talking about the same Hugo Chavez.
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Hugo...
Dude, if Obama, Bush or anybody did half the shit this guy has done to stay in power, u'd have attacked DC urself.
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Hugo...
Dude, if Obama, Bush or anybody did half the shit this guy has done to stay in power, u'd have attacked DC urself.
If we're going to relate our countries, what would have happened here if well over half of the country lived below the poverty line in America as they did in Venezuela before Hugo? Then go ahead and imagine a new leader is voted in that is a polar opposite to those who oversaw such a time and lets say another country funded a coup to overthrow the new leadership in America, a wide reaching business revolt and also fund the same people who ruled over 50+ percent poverty in order to get them back in power?
If you're going to compare, by all means lets draw up a realistic comparison, what would we do to a country that fucked with us like that? Would people march on DC with over half the country in poverty? Can you give me a serious answer that isn't evasive?
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Hugo Chavez tried to overthrow Carlos Andres Perez, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people. Chavez tried to overthrow him using military force and violence. But now that Hugo Chavez himself has also been democratically elected by the Venezuelan people, he expects everyone to respect that and not even think about overthrowing him no matter what he does. ::)
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you never answered my question before about this, wonder why. Sounds like earned a coup attempt.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=264693.50
Also, attempts against Hugo have been heavily funded and supported from America. Who aided in the coup attempt against CAP?
What do you want me to say? I know as much about it as you do.
No matter who funds any coup attempt, Chavez has nothing to complain about. He tried to overthrow, using military force and violence, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people.
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you never answered my question before about this, wonder why. Sounds like earned a coup attempt.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=264693.50
Also, attempts against Hugo have been heavily funded and supported from America. Who aided in the coup attempt against CAP?
How many Black Venezuelans currently live in Colorado?
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thousands, we're gearing up to take the state and found New Venezuela.
Cool brother. Let me know how I may be able to aid the revolution. ;D
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What do you want me to say? I know as much about it as you do.
No matter who funds any coup attempt, Chavez has nothing to complain about. He tried to overthrow, using military force and violence, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people.
Quisiera oír más sobre tus opiniones con respecto a Venezuela puesto que vienes del país.
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I thought you lived there? Didn't you say that once?
Chavez was responsible for halting the coup.
Look up Caracazo. There's some documentaries on youtube too. From what I've read, the guy looks to have started out good in his early career but went bad and everything went to shit when he hooked up with the IMF as usually happens in every country they poison. CAP is like Venezuela's Hitler.
I told you already, I know as much about it as you do. I am not always in the middle of everything, thankfully. I don't believe everything I see or hear in the media from either side, and I don't believe everything I read.
All I'm saying is no matter who funds any coup attempt, Chavez has nothing to complain about. He tried to overthrow, using military force and violence, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people.
Not everybody wanted Carlos Andres Perez overthrown. And I am talking about the common people.
Carlos Andres Perez was corrupt, like any other president. If that's good enough reason to use violence to overthrow a democratically elected leader, just about every leader would be violently overthrown.
During Perez first term, Venezuela prospered. Whether or not it was thanks to him, and though he was still corrupt, people loved him anyway.
Before Chavez mutilated the Venezuelan constitution, a Venezuelan citizen could be elected president many times, as long as it wasn't consecutively. After his four year term, the president had to step down for at least one full four year term to give others a chance.
During Perez second term, a few years later, there was a economic crisis. Whether or not it was his fault, people blamed him for it. If that's good enough reason to use violence to overthrow a democratically elected leader, just about every leader in the world would be violently overthrown right about now.
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uh, yea... I would say the guy deserved a coup against him after what he did. I mean when people are debating if it's a genocide or not, something went way wrong. Of couse not everyone wanted him gone. All the wealthy were probably happy as pig shit they were about to have a final solution for the poor. ::) and yes, it's well documented exactly why the crisis was CAP's fault. and certainly his response WAS his fault.
Hugo,
By the time these violations of human rights and extrajudicial killings came to the light, Hugo Chavez was president of Venezuela and CAP was long gone.
Therefore, at the time when Hugo Chavez used violence to try to overthrow CAP, it was on grounds of corruption and mainly because of the economic crisis.
Yes, CAP and/or people in the military and police force under his watch committed these atrocities and they deserve to pay, but that's not the reason Chavez rushed to try overthrow CAP.
And those who wanted to give CAP a chance while he was in power were not only the wealthy. They just did not yet know at the time how far his corruption ran, and they did not yet know about the extrajudicial killings either.
My statement still stands. If Hugo used violence to try to overthrow a democratically elected president on the grounds of corruption or because of a financial crisis, then he shouldn't complain about people wanting to rise up and try to overthrow him too.
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where on earth did you get that from? It was on the news as it was happening as were the reasons that led up to it.
I just know, but you can verify it here, in English just for you:
El Caracazo Case, Judgment of November 11, 1999, Inter-Am. Ct. H.R. (Ser. C) No. 58 (1999).
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/iachr/C/58-ing.html
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HAHA!!! I just realized, you must be talking about pinochet! Wrong country loco... There must be multiple users to the loco account. The loco I talked with before would not have ever said I knew as much as you on Venezuela and never made the mistake of confusing pinochet's deeds with what happened in Venezuela. And I have a hard time believing the loco I talked with before would have been unfamilar with CAP and Caracazo. Who are you and what have you done with loco?
Read my post above. What's the matter with you, Hugo? Have you gone loco? :)
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I should go fuck Chavez up
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dude, that's judgement. Has no bearing on what people knew at the time. The entire episode was a tad hard to hide. Sure details have come to light more recently but that's pretty irrelevant to the purpose of this conversation considering the scope of what happened and what was known then. You can't just take later findings and dismiss the event as not known to people and Chavez then lol... That's just patently false. The conspirators of the coup named it as part of the reason: corruption, ongoing economic difficulties and social turmoil with the highlight being Caracazo. They understood what led up to that and the reasons for insane inflation. They understood the neoliberal ideology and CAPs IMF debacle were behind it. They understood that he went against what he promised in that regard. And they sure as hell understood they were being shot at and killed in large number right in the streets and in their homes. It wasn't something that happened in secret loco. That's what's making me question who the hell you are right now.
I and many others did not know what to believe until the results of the investigation were officially known. All the killings and the mass graves are true, but as far as we knew at the time, Chavez and his people in the military could have killed those civilians and blamed CAP to gain support for this coup.
I already told you. I do not believe everything the media says anymore, on either side. I am not from Caracas, which is where Caracazo took place, though I have been there and used to have lots of family there. They have moved out since the 80s for obvious reasons. I'm not telling you which city I'm from, but it's not too far from Caracas. So I am not "in the know" about Caracazo. I got my info. same as you did, from the media and word of mouth, none of which can be trusted. Caracas is not Venezuela. Caracas is a city in Venezuela, and the Capital of Venezuela. I know you know this, but from your posts you seem to think that because I'm Venezuelan, I must know everything about anything that happens in Caracas.
Caracazo is not just the killings and mass graves. Caracazo is the name given to the series of riots and political instability triggered by the economic crisis. Most of the people rioting did not understand all the details that you mentioned. You are giving them too much credit. They were just angry, with good reason, about the massive inflation.
The police and the military were sent to break up the riots. People on the streets had guns, but the police and military had more and bigger guns, and they got carried away big time with the use of force against armed civilians. Police officers and soldiers were shot and killed too, by civilians, but I do not defend them. All responsible should go to prison. Think Katrina and New Orleans and you've got a small scale Caracazo...Nuevo Orleanazo.
In early interviews after the coup, Chavez did not mention the killings and the mass graves as reasons for the coup. He did not start mentioning the killings and the mass graves until later interviews. He was asked in one interview if Rafael Caldera, the guy who was president after CAP and also the one who pardoned Chavez, deserved to be overthrown too. Chavez almost said yes, but didn't after a long pause because Caldera was the current president at the time and the one who had just pardoned him and gotten him out of prison. Still, Chavez accused Caldera of corruption and undeserving of the presidency.
Chavez is still not one to complain about people wanting to rise up and overthrow him.