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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: pellius on April 16, 2009, 08:24:06 PM
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I know people are pretty jaded around here and you can never be sure but he sounds credible to me. There doesn't seem to be much reason for him to lie. He has nothing to gain and it seems like he didn't really care that much for A. Jones and found him overbearing and difficult, not to mention being a bit of an a-hole. So I doubt he would protect him or care about his credibility. Casey has already admitted to steroid use when he competed. This is the pertinent excerpt from his book which I got off the ironage forums. I'll post the complete chapter after for those that want a more detailed description of his experience in Colorado 36 years ago.
Excerpt from "Casey Viator's Total Fitness"
Many people have questioned the validity of this study. A lot of factors came into play, one of which is genetics. The average man would not have been able to gain 63 lbs. of raw muscle, which Arthur Jones and myself have been defending this study for years. There has been a lot of questions regarding steroid use. Many people claimed that I loaded up for this experiment. I can honestly say that there was no use of steroids during this study, which is a very important point. I was closely monitored in a closed door environment. Believe me, I would have done anything to have gained that weight, but I knew my rebound potential and I also knew I would make remarkable gains even before the study began.
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Chapter 14
The Colorado Experiment
By Casey Viator
I really had to diet hard to get my bodyweight down to 168 lbs. We calculated that my diet before the experiment was less than 800 calories per day.
I remember flying to Colorado in one of Arthur Jones airplanes, a Cherokee Six. Arthur always flew very high in the Commercial Jet Lanes in a decompressed cabin which always gave me the worst headaches. Arriving from Florida to Fort Collins, Colorado, I had more to contend with than I had prepared myself for. I was one mile high and I had to aclimate quickly, but I knew food was coming soon. We arrived at the Lamplighter Inn, just outside of Fort Collins, where I was going to spend the next 28 days of working hard, training and eating, no fun, maybe a movie now and then, we were there to work not play. Think about it, every day for the next month - eating, training my brains out like an animal, sleeping - that was my job.
The next step was the weigh in. Body Fat count at Colorado State University was a very complex process. We used the Merrimac BodyFat Counter. This is one of the best Veterinarian Colleges in the World. The BodyFat Machine, or counter, was contained in a solid lead room with a huge crystal that was placed over my body. The radioactivity from my muscles registered my lean body mass.
Remember this was the 70's and this particular machine was considered State of the Art. I never questioned the accuracy, and still don't, of this equipment. This experiment actually showed me that even in my low bodyweight, I still gained weight and lost bodyfat. Eating was quite easy the first week after all my previous month and a half of dieting. With a healthy cash incentive per pound of muscle gain, I was raring to go.
The next step was to convert the Physiology Lab into a training facility. We had about 20 pieces of Nautilus equipment and prototypes to move to the second floor. There was even talk about the structural integrity of the second floor accomodating these pieces. Many tons of equipment was moved to that floor. We had brought a new line of negative prototypes that we used for testing. For example, we moved the weight up into the contracted position for the muscle with our feet and lowered it with our biceps or triceps. We even had a negative bench press which worked in the same fashion. There were many other types of prototypes such as the single pad Squat Machine. This piece was a real workout but in the end the mechanism that locked you out of the machine could not be perfected, hence it never ended up as a production model-all considered, this was a great machine.
The first week or so these training sessions were very difficult. I was untrained for 5 months and my hand had atrophied quite a bit. The first two sessions I ended up on the floor with a pulse rate close to fibrillation. But, as they say, "what won't kill you will only make you stronger." I tried to keep my fat content down during my 6-8 meals per day. During my workout sessions, Arthur would more or less sit in a chair and read the newspaper. If he figured I was slowing down my pace he would say something insulting and I would get mad and push even harder into the set, which made me achieve better gains. The only rule was keeping perfect form. This was a game he and I played for almost 10 years off and on. One thing about the man, he sure knows how to "piss" someone off to make them work harder through their workouts!
My workload was so intense that my body absorbed everything I ate. My muscles were coming back rapidly. This was a true case of muscle memory.
Many people have questioned the validity of this study. A lot of factors came into play, one of which is genetics. The average man would not have been able to gain 63 lbs. of raw muscle, which Arthur Jones and myself have been defending this study for years. There has been a lot of questions regarding steroid use. Many people claimed that I loaded up for this experiment. I can honestly say that there was no use of steroids during this study, which is a very important point. I was closely monitored in a closed door environment. Believe me, I would have done anything to have gained that weight, but I knew my rebound potential and I also knew I would make remarkable gains even before the study began.
The rest factor is very important when an entire body workout is performed. Proper sleeping and eating habits are also very important factors. When you work your bodyparts three times a week briefly but intensely your body has to grow. Proper sequence of pre-exhausting exercises is very important also. The safety factor is observed very closely, especially during the first part of each movement. That is when you have the strength to injure your self. The last part of any exercise is usually not the most dangerous point, your muscles are simply too weak to injure at that point. Throwing a weight or dropping or lowering a weight too fast at any time can injure a subject.
The Denver Broncos came in for training sessions and to watch us go through our fast paced training. Dick Butkus of the Chicago Bears was also there training and observing what was going on. I was very proud of the results that took place in Colorado and feel that this study has contributed to the awareness of how much time is wasted in most individuals workouts. This experiment is still being studied in colleges across the country today and also can be found on the Internet.
I must say that I have injured myself on many an occasion in the gym - with pectoral tears, lower inguinal hernias and many other injuries, however I really managed to stay injury free using this type of heavy training, so I felt I had to test out my boundaries. At my current age of 48, I feel this is not safe for the average man: 750 lbs. squat, 500 lbs. incline bench press, 1500 lbs. leg presses.
As I mature, I feel moderation would have been better for my overall well being. Every injury was caused by bad form or explosive movements. If I can teach one person the hazards of this type of training, I would really be very happy.
If any trainee is considering doing this type of training, I would make sure that you work at your individual pace and push yourself just enough so you can finish the entire body routine.
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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
"Weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes away. "
"I didnt inhale"
OJ " I didnt kill my wife"
etc etc
The average person tells a lie 3 times every 10 minutes of conversation, read a Bob Chic post regarding his natural status as a teen or his current drug use for examples of that.
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People generally lie for good reason. Why would Casey lie? He already admitted to steroid use and has nothing to gain by validating the Colorado experiment. He doesn't even preach this type of training anymore.
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People generally lie for good reason. Why would Casey lie? He already admitted to steroid use and has nothing to gain by validating the Colorado experiment. He doesn't even preach this type of training anymore.
Doesnt mean he isnt lying
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
O.K ::)
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/caseyviatorbeforeafter.jpg)
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Plazmosis.......
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Plazmosis.......
Don't be a fool, plazmosis would have cause him to burst through his skin, resulting in a painful death.
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Casey was cool as shit in the 70's and 80's. but since he retired he has been telling one bullshit story after another. crazy lifts, lies about his women, and more. should have just kept his mouth shut and maintained the respect of his amazing career.
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Plazmosis.......
Hahahaha!@!!!
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Casey was cool as shit in the 70's and 80's. but since he retired he has been telling one bullshit story after another. crazy lifts, lies about his women, and more. should have just kept his mouth shut and maintained the respect of his amazing career.
What makes a supposedly grown man walk around and tell straight up lies like that? :-\
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What makes a supposedly grown man walk around and tell straight up lies like that? :-\
regret over not accomplishing all his goals earlier in life, making him feel insignificant and insecure.
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Thing about Casey, kind of like Boyer Cole, it seems to me that they looked their best in their late teens early twenties. Casey was quite a phenom as a kid.
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regret over not accomplishing all his goals earlier in life, making him feel insignificant and insecure.
Bingo.
It's still fucking ridiculous though.
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What makes a supposedly grown man walk around and tell straight up lies like that? :-\
The ego is always unconscious...And Casey Viator has lived his life as unconscious as a San Fran hooker...
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I remember seeing a pic years ago of Mike Mentzer, Casey Viator and (RIP) David Johns hanging out in the entry way of Golds in Venice. They were all looking very large.
Can't find much on Dave on the net anywhere. Not sure how or why he died...
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Bingo.
It's still fucking ridiculous though.
x2
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I remember seeing a pic years ago of Mike Mentzer, Casey Viator and (RIP) David Johns hanging out in the entry way of Golds in Venice. They were all looking very large.
Can't find much on Dave on the net anywhere. Not sure how or why he died...
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Thing about Casey, kind of like Boyer Cole, it seems to me that they looked their best in their late teens early twenties. Casey was quite a phenom as a kid.
odd coincidence since they trained at the same gym by Red Lerrille (sp)
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63lbs is somewhat more believable if you consider that:
prior to the experiment he had trained and juiced for years and was huge for years, THEN stopped juicing and quit training for 5 months, dropped to extremely low calories and went down to 165lbs or so.
the whole purpose, for him, was to gain as much weight as possible while there-so prior to going, he basically got as light as he could. considering his muscle memory would have been used to huge juiced muscle, and the fact that he had exceptional genetics to begin with, i would expect a guy whose entire life for a month was 100% dedicated to only lifting, eating like a pig and sleeping to gain a large amount of weight.
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63lbs is somewhat more believable if you consider that:
prior to the experiment he had trained and juiced for years and was huge for years, THEN stopped juicing and quit training for 5 months, dropped to extremely low calories and went down to 165lbs or so.
the whole purpose, for him, was to gain as much weight as possible while there-so prior to going, he basically got as light as he could. considering his muscle memory would have been used to huge juiced muscle, and the fact that he had exceptional genetics to begin with, i would expect a guy whose entire life for a month was 100% dedicated to only lifting, eating like a pig and sleeping to gain a large amount of weight.
Yes, but that makes it extremly ridiculous.
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63lbs is somewhat more believable if you consider that:
prior to the experiment he had trained and juiced for years and was huge for years, THEN stopped juicing and quit training for 5 months, dropped to extremely low calories and went down to 165lbs or so.
the whole purpose, for him, was to gain as much weight as possible while there-so prior to going, he basically got as light as he could. considering his muscle memory would have been used to huge juiced muscle, and the fact that he had exceptional genetics to begin with, i would expect a guy whose entire life for a month was 100% dedicated to only lifting, eating like a pig and sleeping to gain a large amount of weight.
what do you estimate his bodyfat in the before picture?
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what do you estimate his bodyfat in the before picture?
Not sure about the before pic but they something like less than 5% in the after pic which I think is doubtful. He looks maybe 8-10%.
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Can't find much on Dave on the net anywhere. Not sure how or why he died...
Dave Johns caught Vally Fever(lung infection) in the mid 80's.
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Not sure about the before pic but they something like less than 5% in the after pic which I think is doubtful. He looks maybe 8-10%.
if he was 10 % in the first pic, that puts him at 17 lbs. total fat. and they say he lost 17 pounds of fat in the month. that would put his bodyfat at 0 %. i don't think Jim Smith was old enough to test bodyfat back then.
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Flex Wheeler once had his body fat measured at 0.0 % by Jim Smith!
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Flex Wheeler once had his body fat measured at 0.0 % by Jim Smith!
i know, that's why i said that!
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i know, that's why i said that!
I think it might have taken place at Golds Venice. Can anyone here confirm this?
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I think it might have taken place at Golds Venice. Can anyone here confirm this?
that is the story, although facts are that is impossible. an olympic athlete years ago was tested at negative 1.5 percent. this is also obviously impossible.
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I have this beautiful bridge to sell some of you guys in Brooklyn. It over looks Manhattan and it's a steal at the price I'm selling it at.
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that is the story, although facts are that is impossible. an olympic athlete years ago was tested at negative 1.5 percent. this is also obviously impossible.
Yeah Flex was on a slin, gh, nubain buffet but he got the lowest body fat ever recorded!
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Doesnt mean he isnt lying
No, but unless you assume people just lie as their default position the onus is on the accuser to provide some evidence, purpose and motivation. I don't why he would lie. If everything is true is really doesn't raise his status or help him in any way. The only person to benefit most would be Arthur Jones. Casey had a very volatile relationship with Jones and my impression was that he respected Jones but didn't particularly like him. In fact, I don't think very many people liked Jones on a personal level.
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This guy ate like a fucking animal. I'm talking gallons of raw milk and jars of peanut butter in a day. Fags nowadays eat rice and salads.
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I think it might have taken place at Golds Venice. Can anyone here confirm this?
That is true. It was done during the middle of a mass orgy at the summit meeting for diplomatic relations with Micronesia.
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mentzer speaks about this in his heavy duty book, he says casey was juced to the gills on dbol for the whole experiment.
even so, it is a remarkable improvement. 63 lbs :o
ellington darden has a book out called bigger muscles in 42 days - his guy put on 34.25lbs in that time - clearly on gear. so there is no way casey wasn't on something.
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''The first week or so these training sessions were very difficult. I was untrained for 5 months and my hand had atrophied quite a bit.''
HAND? WTF :D
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00427/snn3101gx1280_427945a.jpg)
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Casey was one infookingcredible 19-20 yr old-which is when half of those pics were taken. I don't think anyone has matched him to this day.
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casey has my ideal type physique
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casey has my ideal type physique
his hair wasn't pro caliber
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neither is my hair my friend lol
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the day you fellas understand that natural bodybuilder at 6% at a height of 6'1 = 16.5 inch is the day youll knwo bodybuilding ,,,
yes that means natural at 5'7 will have 15-15.5 inch arms
thats natural bodybuilding for you friends,,its not existed today
gh15 approved
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gh15 i am a tad over 6'3
what is maximum my arms will veer be at around 12% and at around 6% on stage
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gh15 i am a tad over 6'3
what is maximum my arms will veer be at around 12% and at around 6% on stage
6'3 can have 18 inch naturally at 12% ,,usually on stage its gonna be ~ 17 inch at 6%,,naturally
if your arms are your strongest body part you can pull another half inch on the mesurment told especially while pumped
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People generally lie for good reason. Why would Casey lie? He already admitted to steroid use and has nothing to gain by validating the Colorado experiment. He doesn't even preach this type of training anymore.
I been reading your posts for a while
you either play stupid ore are one
no offence
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Casey trained the whole body 3 times a week under the supervision of arthur jones and reached supberb results for only one month training. Most people advocate that one should even train more if you take steroids... I guess Casey along with Jones proved this statement wrong. I guess High Intensity Training works after all. Some people also say that it doesn't matter what kind of training you practice when you're taking steroids and growth hormones and these people still choose the high volume approach instead of doing it the low volume way.
btw, someone mentioned that Viator doesn't favor HIT anymore... what's his opinion on the correct training nowadays?
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6'3 can have 18 inch naturally at 12% ,,usually on stage its gonna be ~ 17 inch at 6%,,naturally
if your arms are your strongest body part you can pull another half inch on the mesurment told especially while pumped
mine are 18.5" cold flexed at my current bf % of around 12%
I reckon i can def add at least another inch and a half
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Viator = lying piece of shit.
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Guys why all the hate? Why would a pro lie about his steroid usage?
I mean everyone acts like 63 pounds of muscle in a couple of months is totally unrealistic.
Does anyone here even train seriously?
Next you'll all be saying that Casey lies about his measurements or his strength; he's the pro guys.....
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I think this pic is from the Colorado Experiment:
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That is true. It was done during the middle of a mass orgy at the summit meeting for diplomatic relations with Micronesia.
Thanks for the conformation.
Can anyone else corroborate on the Micronesia summit? I heard Jim was quite the diplomat.
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Guys why all the hate? Why would a pro lie about his steroid usage?
I mean everyone acts like 63 pounds of muscle in a couple of months is totally unrealistic.
Does anyone here even train seriously?
Next you'll all be saying that Casey lies about his measurements or his strength; he's the pro guys.....
ROFL.
Quit smoking ::)
Ps: You are too obvious gimmick.
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I think the first pic is from the Colorado Experiment:
Looks natural. BUT looks can be deceiving.
Only way to know for sure is to get our hands on some blood and/or urine samples form that period and send it to an IOC lab for clinical tests (I'm almost positive Aurthur Jones kept these specimens for research purposes); can anyone help me with this?
When these tests came back clean alot of you will look pretty foolish....
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BS ALL PED
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Looks natural. BUT looks can be deceiving.
Only way to know for sure is to get our hands on some blood and/or urine samples form that period and send it to an IOC lab for clinical tests (I'm almost positive Aurthur Jones kept these specimens for research purposes); can anyone help me with this?
When these tests came back clean alot of you will look pretty foolish....
stop being an idiot
seriously
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ROFL.
Quit smoking ::)
Ps: You are too obvious gimmick.
????
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stop being an idiot
seriously
Sev you've trained with Ron Love. I'm sure you are aware of how amazing the genetics of pro bodybuilders are. Drugs are just for the finishing touch.
Jay Cutler can be quoted in the pages of FLEX "The Bible of Building Muscle" for putting on over 80 lbs (and it may have been 100) within his FIRST year of training. So if a natural Jay can put on over 80 lbs within a year it is totally plausible that Casey did this, no?
Unless of course you're saying we cant trust the credibility of Weider era FLEX magazine.
It doesn't matter anyhow, once I get the test results the truth will come out.
On a sidenote Sev do you miss Michigan at all?
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ive only put on 55lbs in 5 years
still another 30 to get that 80lbs lol
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ive only put on 55lbs in 5 years
still another 30 to get that 80lbs lol
lol thats why the pros are so great.
Im surprised Cutler doesnt weigh close to 600 with his genetics... lol
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80lbs later id still only be 265ish lol
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mentzer speaks about this in his heavy duty book, he says casey was juced to the gills on dbol for the whole experiment.
even so, it is a remarkable improvement. 63 lbs :o
ellington darden has a book out called bigger muscles in 42 days - his guy put on 34.25lbs in that time - clearly on gear. so there is no way casey wasn't on something.
I have that book. His philosophy was train intensely and eat, eat, eat. To me, the other trainee in that book just got fucking fatter.
There are some pics where that guys frickin gyno is outstanding.
Ellington Darden is an intelligent guy, but that doesn't always make them "right"...
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does anyone know where I can download this book?
;D ;D
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Arthur Jones was a fucking whackjob but a fucking genius as well. The dude fucking palled around with G Gordon Liddy for fuck's sake. He was definitely into some heavy shit during his life and it had little to do with Nautilus. He probably worked for the government black ops programs or CIA.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003865087_jonesobit02.html
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ANOTHER DELUSIONAL POST BY GH15. THE BOARDS LOCAL NON-LIFTER.
friednd ,,when i won my first pro show you still sucked on breast milk from your mommy breast ,,if you were natural which you are not at yoru 5;8 height or how ever it is you are you would have a max of 16.5-17 inch arms naturally! and not at 6% ...try 10%
at your body fat in those pictures which is 8% if you were truly natiral your arms would mesure somewhere around 16-16.5 flexed
those are 5'8 numbers ..little taller? add another 1/4 inch
and those mesurmenets are for fellas with good arm respond to training WHO ARE TRULY NATURAL not clean
gh15 approved
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gh15 gotta disagree with ya
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=275816.0;attach=315225;image)
powerful build
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Flex Wheeler once had his body fat measured at 0.0 % by Jim Smith!
Billy Smith, Jim Quinns training partner
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SOME CASEY ARTICLES...
WAS CASEY DRUG FREE IN THE ARTHUR JONES COLORADO EXPERIMENT ?
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SOME CASEY ARTICLES...
WAS CASEY DRUG FREE IN THE ARTHUR JONES COLORADO EXPERIMENT ?
no
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Looks like he used to cut his hair with a weed wacker.
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Sev you've trained with Ron Love. I'm sure you are aware of how amazing the genetics of pro bodybuilders are. Drugs are just for the finishing touch.
Jay Cutler can be quoted in the pages of FLEX "The Bible of Building Muscle" for putting on over 80 lbs (and it may have been 100) within his FIRST year of training. So if a natural Jay can put on over 80 lbs within a year it is totally plausible that Casey did this, no?
Unless of course you're saying we cant trust the credibility of Weider era FLEX magazine.
It doesn't matter anyhow, once I get the test results the truth will come out.
hahahahahaha dummy D more like it ::)
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Jay has been juicing ever since he first step foot in a gym.
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These untruths have led to the cancellation of his 'Ironage Legend' status. Casey, you damn fool! :'(
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;)19 yrs old
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Casey Viator - His Workout Routine
by Chris Lund -- 1981
http://home.insightbb.com/~e.augspurger/bodybuildingarticles/caseyviator/
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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman grapefruit"
"Weapons Thongs of mass destruction, 45 minutes away. "
"I didnt inhale inject"
OJ Titus "I didnt kill my wife assistant"
etc etc
The average person tells a lie 3 times every 10 minutes of conversation, read a Bob Chic post regarding his natural status as a teen or his current drug use for examples of that.
fixed for bbing related
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friednd ,,when i won my first pro show you still sucked on breast milk from your mommy breast ,,if you were natural which you are not at yoru 5;8 height or how ever it is you are you would have a max of 16.5-17 inch arms naturally! and not at 6% ...try 10%
at your body fat in those pictures which is 8% if you were truly natiral your arms would mesure somewhere around 16-16.5 flexed
those are 5'8 numbers ..little taller? add another 1/4 inch
and those mesurmenets are for fellas with good arm respond to training WHO ARE TRULY NATURAL not clean
gh15 approved
wrong....
i know of several guys who are 5'10" and sport 19" arms and have never ever touched a steroid in their lives. One of the guys- who others referred to as "the freak"- burney visser- mr. junior SA in the early 1980s- people used to say that he didnt need to even train- just turn up a tthe gym and look at the weights and he grew,...lol..
anywhoo, this guy was genetically hairless- of dutch/european origin, but australian born, and had 19.5 inch arms at competition condition at age 19..and got bigger, and today is age 50, still benches 350lb for reps, still hairless, still eats what he wants and doesnt get fat, and still has never touched a steroid. He is 5'9" tall.
he's what i call a freak, but ive seen others who have trained for a decade or so and grew 19" arms at under 6' tall and never touched a steroid, mind drug, diet drug or pill..ever.
Its just that insecure, egotistic drug sponge pros need to feel justification for their insane and unscientific drug use.
in reality none of them have any prove-able data to back up their stacks and dosages for efficacy, however the adage that "loads is better" does apply- but at incredible risk.
the other aspect is, that anyone who has ever used gear and then not used it for long periods of time, would agree that for some reason when you are on the gear, you just dont train as hard as you do when you are not. When you are striving for every gain, you tend to be more disciplined, and work harder, and appreciate every ounce. When you hardly need to move to add muscle, you get lazy. Instead of working harder and smarter, you simply up the doses.
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The body fat percentages were probably mistaken. No way he was leaner after the 30 days. He looks leaner in the before photo.
Casey, Arnold and Sergio were on the scene in 1971 and I day I saw them in an Ironman and went home instead of training. They were so far ahead of the rest of us that there seemed to be no point to lift weights.
Casey was 19! How deflating for us.
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''The first week or so these training sessions were very difficult. I was untrained for 5 months and my hand had atrophied quite a bit.''
HAND? WTF :D
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00427/snn3101gx1280_427945a.jpg)
I believe I heard somewhere that Casey lost a finger doing manual labor prior to the "experiment." Which kind of explains why he hadn't trained and lost so much muscle.
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I believe I heard somewhere that Casey lost a finger doing manual labor prior to the "experiment." Which kind of explains why he hadn't trained and lost so much muscle.
He also got a serious infection or some kind of allergic reaction to the tentanus shot he got following the injury that accounted for the tremendous weight loss.
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63lbs is somewhat more believable if you consider that:
prior to the experiment he had trained and juiced for years and was huge for years, THEN stopped juicing and quit training for 5 months, dropped to extremely low calories and went down to 165lbs or so.
the whole purpose, for him, was to gain as much weight as possible while there-so prior to going, he basically got as light as he could. considering his muscle memory would have been used to huge juiced muscle, and the fact that he had exceptional genetics to begin with, i would expect a guy whose entire life for a month was 100% dedicated to only lifting, eating like a pig and sleeping to gain a large amount of weight.
Actually, he didn't gain 63 pounds of bodyweight but actually a bit over 45 pounds -- 45.28 pounds to be exact (Jone's was very precise). The claim was that since he also loss 17.93 pounds of fat he actually gained 63 pounds of muscle. Which of course makes the claims even more incredible.
It should be noted that Arthur Jones also participated in the experiment and put on about 15 pounds of muscle and gain 13 pounds of body weight. He didn't complete the duration of the study and stopped after 22 days. He was also gaining previous acquired muscle mass so the rebound/muscle memory effect also applied to him. He was around 47-48 years old at the time.
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BTW, studies have validated the "muscle memory" effect.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/08/muscle-memory/
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All drugs and vaginal secretions
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For his time and his age he really was impressive regardless what he was on.
Nineteen years old. Damn!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=275816.0;attach=355808;image)
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For his time and his age he really was impressive regardless what he was on.
Nineteen years old. Damn!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=275816.0;attach=355808;image)
Yes genetics and a fuckload of drugs ;D
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In 1981 in his best condition ever he was observed by someone I trust doing about 16 sets a body part.
Did you ever notice most personal trainers claim to be HIT guys. If you are training someone wouldn't it be better to train them 20 minutes twice a week instead of 90 minutes four days a week?
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In 1981 in his best condition ever he was observed by someone I trust doing about 16 sets a body part.
Did you ever notice most personal trainers claim to be HIT guys. If you are training someone wouldn't it be better to train them 20 minutes twice a week instead of 90 minutes four days a week?
LOL, for sure.
You can get a lot more clients in with HIT. ;D ;D
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LOL, for sure.
You can get a lot more clients in with HIT. ;D ;D
:D
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mentzer speaks about this in his heavy duty book, he says casey was juced to the gills on dbol for the whole experiment.
even so, it is a remarkable improvement. 63 lbs :o
ellington darden has a book out called bigger muscles in 42 days - his guy put on 34.25lbs in that time - clearly on gear. so there is no way casey wasn't on something.
whatever happened to Keith Whitley? No, not the country star that drank himself to death, that dude used to compete against wheeler and I've worked out with him in the late 80's was huge, never really knew where he went,
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Do you think Levrone has successfuly pulled a "colorado experiment" with his transformation? ???
Which other pro could do that?
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I'd put him at the same bf % in both pics, sub-10. So therefore, his total gain during this experiment was 41 pounds of muscle and 4 pounds of fat. And as far as fit trainers pushing HIT to make more cash, HIT is a bad way to make the extra cash. If a trainer can dupe his client into training 6x a week with him, instead of only 2x a week, said trainer will make more cash. 2 sessions per week with the trainer equals 100 bucks for the trainer, while 6 sessions per week equals 300 bucks per week for the trainer.
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I'd put him at the same bf % in both pics, sub-10. So therefore, his total gain during this experiment was 41 pounds of muscle and 4 pounds of fat. And as far as fit trainers pushing HIT to make more cash, HIT is a bad way to make the extra cash. If a trainer can dupe his client into training 6x a week with him, instead of only 2x a week, said trainer will make more cash. 2 sessions per week with the trainer equals 100 bucks for the trainer, while 6 sessions per week equals 300 bucks per week for the trainer.
Stupid way of thinking.
Only a few people can afford to spend that much money for a PT as for 6 sessions/week.
So, with HIT, you will have MORE clients that pay LESS so in sum you have more money. It much easier to market and also only 2x/week suit most people much better than 6x/week.
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Good point DK, by da way, did you notice dat Casey said that he was nearly passed out, lying on the floor, damn near the point of difibulation (sp?) ;D That would be you, after our training session son ;)
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Good point DK, by da way, did you notice dat Casey said that he was nearly passed out, lying on the floor, damn near the point of difibulation (sp?) ;D That would be you, after our training session son ;)
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Seriously, from all i have read from you in the last 2 weeks, you act like a kid in kindergarten that wants to believe that it can really fly when it wraps a towel around his neck, not like a 36 year old guy with years of lifting experience.
Do yourself a favor and THINK for 3 seconds before you write any more bullshit.
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I know people are pretty jaded around here and you can never be sure but he sounds credible to me. There doesn't seem to be much reason for him to lie. He has nothing to gain and it seems like he didn't really care that much for A. Jones and found him overbearing and difficult, not to mention being a bit of an a-hole. So I doubt he would protect him or care about his credibility. Casey has already admitted to steroid use when he competed. This is the pertinent excerpt from his book which I got off the ironage forums. I'll post the complete chapter after for those that want a more detailed description of his experience in Colorado 36 years ago.
Excerpt from "Casey Viator's Total Fitness"
Many people have questioned the validity of this study. A lot of factors came into play, one of which is genetics. The average man would not have been able to gain 63 lbs. of raw muscle, which Arthur Jones and myself have been defending this study for years. There has been a lot of questions regarding steroid use. Many people claimed that I loaded up for this experiment. I can honestly say that there was no use of steroids during this study, which is a very important point. I was closely monitored in a closed door environment. Believe me, I would have done anything to have gained that weight, but I knew my rebound potential and I also knew I would make remarkable gains even before the study began.
Mike Mentzer dismissed Viator's claim of being natural during "The Colorado Experiment", in his "Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty II: Mind And Body" as well as in several of his columns in Ironman Magazine. Mentzer said Viator wasn't taking powerful steroids or GH, but he was taking Primobolan, Deca and Winstrol which in thos days only existed in veterinarian versions for horses and cattle. According to Mentzer, the drugs at least doubled the training effectiveness, meaning that Viator would have gained at the most 30 lbs instead of 62 lbs like he did drug-free.
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Casey Viator - His Workout Routine
by Chris Lund -- 1981
http://home.insightbb.com/~e.augspurger/bodybuildingarticles/caseyviator/
I don't believe those weights for a second.
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Speaking of Casey's so-called bullshit claims, I had a few phone consultations with Mike Mentzer back in 99, and I told him about an article that I read where Casey claimed that he regularly did dips with 300 pounds added to his bodyweight, and Mentzer just said something like, "Casey was known to stretch the truth somewhat"
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Speaking of Casey's so-called bullshit claims, I had a few phone consultations with Mike Mentzer back in 99, and I told him about an article that I read where Casey claimed that he regularly did dips with 300 pounds added to his bodyweight, and Mentzer just said something like, "Casey was known to stretch the truth somewhat"
LOL............Casey didn't stretch the truth he was one of the biggest bullshitters of his time. If anyone doesn't believe bodybuilders are some of the most egotistical pathological liars around they are fucking dumbshits. Seriously............... ...from that australian short midget fuck who's name escapes me.....ohh Lee Priest......to Arnold...........to Casey.......etc. Id say if the guys nowadays were training back then with the laws the way they were most would probably me much more upfront...but if the guys from that era were training today they'd still be a bunch of fucking liars. I'm sure if it wasn't for the laws Jay and guys like Ronnie would be much more upfront about their drug use.....I mean their use is a lot more obvious but still. Those old timers were just liars.
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LOL............Casey didn't stretch the truth he was one of the biggest bullshitters of his time. If anyone doesn't believe bodybuilders are some of the most egotistical pathological liars around they are fucking dumbshits. Seriously............... ...from that australian short midget fuck who's name escapes me.....ohh Lee Priest......to Arnold...........to Casey.......etc. Id say if the guys nowadays were training back then with the laws the way they were most would probably me much more upfront...but if the guys from that era were training today they'd still be a bunch of fucking liars. I'm sure if it wasn't for the laws Jay and guys like Ronnie would be much more upfront about their drug use.....I mean their use is a lot more obvious but still. Those old timers were just liars.
if you felas thikn bodybuild is anything more than eat gh as much as you can then you are living illusion ,,
bodybuild is in how much gh you can eat,,thats why we all look same on stage,,thats why we all can go up in lean muscle and reduce bodyfat same time,,
this is all there is to it,,
gh and lots of it,,
bodybuilder has nothing to do w ith genetic persay,,muscle shape is all nice and dandy but if you got the size and condition you made it and gh is the only way there,,
gh15 approved
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63lbs is somewhat more believable if you consider that:
prior to the experiment he had trained and juiced for years and was huge for years, THEN stopped juicing and quit training for 5 months, dropped to extremely low calories and went down to 165lbs or so.
the whole purpose, for him, was to gain as much weight as possible while there-so prior to going, he basically got as light as he could. considering his muscle memory would have been used to huge juiced muscle, and the fact that he had exceptional genetics to begin with, i would expect a guy whose entire life for a month was 100% dedicated to only lifting, eating like a pig and sleeping to gain a large amount of weight.
This is true. Funny to hear all the non-juicers opinions.
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LOL............Casey didn't stretch the truth he was one of the biggest bullshitters of his time. If anyone doesn't believe bodybuilders are some of the most egotistical pathological liars around they are fucking dumbshits. Seriously............... ...from that australian short midget fuck who's name escapes me.....ohh Lee Priest......to Arnold...........to Casey.......etc. Id say if the guys nowadays were training back then with the laws the way they were most would probably me much more upfront...but if the guys from that era were training today they'd still be a bunch of fucking liars. I'm sure if it wasn't for the laws Jay and guys like Ronnie would be much more upfront about their drug use.....I mean their use is a lot more obvious but still. Those old timers were just liars.
Except that special guy whose pics you love to post correct? He was the exception..... ::) ::) ::)
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I'm sure none of you guys would ever believe the leg cycle that Casey performed back in the day, which was as follows: 1. Leg Press 750 pounds for 25 reps 2. Leg Extension 225 pounds for 22 reps 3. Full Squat with a 503 pound barbell for 13 reps. All 3 exercises performed one right after another for 1 giant set.
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i am currently conducting the Panda Experiment.
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i am currently conducting the Panda Experiment.
Is that the one where you lose 2 lb after 7 months of dieting?
;D
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i was up at 280 when i started back last year. so it was 60lbs i lost up till xmas, then put on some, now the rest is coming off.
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i was up at 280 when i started back last year. so it was 60lbs i lost up till xmas, then put on some, now the rest is coming off.
You'll get there, tiger. I was just trolling.
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You'll get there, tiger. I was just trolling.
i know. to both ;)
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Speaking of "diet" it's a well known fact that Case was on the "seefood diet" during this experiment (meaning that he basically ate whatever the fuck he wanted) and as you can clearly see from the before and after photos, his bodyfat literally remained unchanged. He's sitting at sub-10 in both pics, even though the claim is that he started at 13.8% and finished at sub-3
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Speaking of "diet" it's a well known fact that Case was on the "seefood diet" during this experiment (meaning that he basically ate whatever the fuck he wanted) and as you can clearly see from the before and after photos, his bodyfat literally remained unchanged. He's sitting at sub-10 in both pics, even though the claim is that he started at 13.8% and finished at sub-3
So you think that he put on 63 lbs, or whatever it is...in that short amount of time, with NO FAT GAIN, and he did it naturally ?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOL.........dude, well played. I like trolls who are a little more subtle ;)
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So you think that he put on 63 lbs, or whatever it is...in that short amount of time, with NO FAT GAIN, and he did it naturally ?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOL.........dude, well played. I like trolls who are a little more subtle ;)
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Actually, he put on 45 pounds, going from 167 to 212, and his bodyfat stayed roughly the same (in my opinion) so basically, that equals out to 40.5 pounds of muscle, and 4.5 pounds of fat. Pics don't lie bro, and from those pics taken exactly 28 days apart, it's very clear to see that he gained TONS OF SIZE, particularly in his arms, lats, and legs. I'll just say "no comment" on the steroid accusation, but any fool can see that he did in fact gain tons of muscle in 28 days, and that fact isn't even up for debate.
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wrong....
anywhoo, this guy was genetically hairless- of dutch/european origin, but australian born, and had 19.5 inch arms at competition condition at age 19..and got bigger, and today is age 50, still benches 350lb for reps, still hairless, still eats what he wants and doesnt get fat, and still has never touched a steroid. He is 5'9" tall.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAA
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Yes genetics and a fuckload of drugs ;D
There are alot of teenagers who take a boat load of drugs and don't look like Casey at 19. Look at the Teen Nationals they take more drugs and none of them have arms that thick.
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Jones by all accounts was against the use of steroids. Casey was closely supervised and I really doubt Jones would have allowed Casey to use drugs. I'm not sure how available HGH was during the early 1970s.
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Jones by all accounts was against the use of steroids. Casey was closely supervised and I really doubt Jones would have allowed Casey to use drugs. I'm not sure how available HGH was during the early 1970s.
Back in those days steroids were not controlled substances in the U.S. Deca was actually used to cause weight gain in malnourished children and used concomitantly with GH(from the pituitaries of cadavers) to increase the stature of adolescents. Steroids only became controlled substances in the U.S in 1990. Before this all you needed was a class I prescription to get them. Nowadays, you need a special prescription and the DEA must be notified of it. Viator probably just asked a presciption for steroids for his doctor and he gave it to him.
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Back in those days steroids were not controlled substances in the U.S. Deca was actually used to cause weight gain in malnourished children and used concomitantly with GH(from the pituitaries of cadavers) to increase the stature of adolescents. Steroids only became controlled substances in the U.S in 1990. Before this all you needed was a class I prescription to get them. Nowadays, you need a special prescription and the DEA must be notified of it. Viator probably just asked a presciption for steroids for his doctor and he gave it to him.
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For a genius with a 160 IQ you sure are a moron. The availability of steroids have nothing to do with the question. I imagine Casey had no problem getting steroids whether they were controlled or not.
Please stay off my threads. Your moronic posts sicken me.
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Exactly pellius, and from what I know about Jones he probably had hidden cameras hidden in Casey's room and consistantly searched Casey's room and his belongings for da sause ;D
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For a genius with a 160 IQ you sure are a moron. The availability of steroids have nothing to do with the question. I imagine Casey had no problem getting steroids whether they were controlled or not.
Please stay off my threads. Your moronic posts sicken me.
You asked no questions whatsoever, so the moron is you. In fact, I don't even know what the fuck this thread is about. Are you trying to prove that Viator was truly clean during the Colorado Experiment? Wow, you're dumb. And my IQ is much higher than 160.
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Aging gets everyone no way out.
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It wouldn't matter eitherway, depending on the half-life of the stuff he'd taken before hand, it would have probably aided him.
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Allright, so maybe the question is, could he have made even better and faster gains using a different training protocol?
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Allright, so maybe the question is, could he have made even better and faster gains using a different training protocol?
Yes, the more drugs approach ;D
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in the before after pics the difference in the quads, calves and forearms is insane
I believe he was as natural as when I heard:
ronnie turned pro naturally via the tested team universe
mike ashley won the ac naturally
franco only started using after his 1st mr o
newman won the tested musclemania natural
dennis tinnerino was a reformed nattie
flex entered the o nattie in his comeback
skip la cour never juiced
priest is practically a nattie
and my favorite
Jay claimed he does not use steroids recently in a canadian interview.
In conclusion, it must be true. Cause they said so.