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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2010, 11:48:04 PM »
friednd ,,when i won my first pro show you still sucked on breast milk from your mommy breast ,,if you were natural which you are not at yoru 5;8 height or how ever it is you are you would have a max of 16.5-17 inch arms naturally!  and not at 6% ...try 10%

at your body fat in those pictures which is 8% if you were truly natiral your arms would mesure somewhere around 16-16.5 flexed

those are 5'8 numbers ..little taller? add another 1/4 inch

and those mesurmenets are for fellas with good arm respond to training WHO ARE TRULY NATURAL not clean

gh15 approved

wrong....

i know of several guys who are 5'10" and sport 19" arms and have never ever touched a steroid in their lives. One of the guys- who others referred to as "the freak"- burney visser- mr. junior SA in the early 1980s- people used to say that he didnt need to even train- just turn up a tthe gym and look at the weights and he grew,...lol..

anywhoo, this guy was genetically hairless- of dutch/european origin, but australian born, and had 19.5 inch arms at competition condition at age 19..and got bigger, and today is age 50, still benches 350lb for reps, still hairless, still eats what he wants and doesnt get fat, and still has never touched a steroid. He is 5'9" tall.

he's what i call a freak, but ive seen others who have trained for a decade or so and grew 19" arms at under 6' tall and never touched a steroid, mind drug, diet drug or pill..ever.

Its just that insecure, egotistic drug sponge pros need to feel justification for their insane and unscientific drug use.

in reality none of them have any prove-able data to back up their stacks and dosages for efficacy, however the adage that "loads is better" does apply- but at incredible risk.

the other aspect is, that anyone who has ever used gear and then not used it for long periods of time, would agree that for some reason when you are on the gear, you just dont train as hard as you do when you are not. When you are striving for every gain, you tend to be more disciplined, and work harder, and appreciate every ounce. When you hardly need to move to add muscle, you get lazy.  Instead of working harder and smarter, you simply up the doses.


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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2010, 01:12:18 AM »
The body fat percentages were probably mistaken. No way he was leaner after the 30 days. He looks leaner in the before photo.

Casey, Arnold and Sergio were on the scene in 1971 and I day I saw them in an Ironman and went home instead of training. They were so far ahead of the rest of us that there seemed to be no point to lift weights.   

Casey was 19!  How deflating for us.

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2010, 03:06:04 AM »
''The first week or so these training sessions were very difficult. I was untrained for 5 months and my hand had atrophied quite a bit.''

HAND? WTF  :D



I believe I heard somewhere that Casey lost a finger doing manual labor prior to the "experiment."  Which kind of explains why he hadn't trained and lost so much muscle. 

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2010, 03:58:17 AM »
I believe I heard somewhere that Casey lost a finger doing manual labor prior to the "experiment."  Which kind of explains why he hadn't trained and lost so much muscle.  

He also got a serious infection or some kind of allergic reaction to the tentanus shot he got following the injury that accounted for the tremendous weight loss.

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2010, 04:11:20 AM »
63lbs is somewhat more believable if you consider that:
prior to the experiment he had trained and juiced for years and was huge for years, THEN stopped juicing and quit training for 5 months, dropped to extremely low calories and went down to 165lbs or so.
the whole purpose, for him, was to gain as much weight as possible while there-so prior to going, he basically got as light as he could. considering his muscle memory would have been used to huge juiced muscle, and the fact that he had exceptional genetics to begin with, i would expect a guy whose entire life for a month was 100% dedicated to only lifting, eating like a pig and sleeping to gain a large amount of weight.

Actually, he didn't gain 63 pounds of bodyweight but actually a bit over  45 pounds -- 45.28 pounds to be exact (Jone's was very  precise). The claim was that since he also loss 17.93 pounds of fat he actually gained 63 pounds of muscle. Which of course makes the claims even more incredible.

It should be noted that Arthur Jones also participated in the experiment and put on about 15 pounds of muscle and gain 13 pounds of body weight. He didn't complete the duration of the study and stopped after 22 days. He was also gaining previous acquired muscle mass so the rebound/muscle memory effect also applied to him. He was around 47-48 years old at the time.
   

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2010, 04:19:56 AM »
BTW, studies have validated the "muscle memory" effect.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/08/muscle-memory/


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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2010, 04:21:35 AM »
All drugs and vaginal secretions

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2010, 04:29:17 AM »
For his time and his age he really was impressive regardless what he was on.

Nineteen years old. Damn!


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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2010, 04:30:38 AM »
For his time and his age he really was impressive regardless what he was on.

Nineteen years old. Damn!


Yes genetics and a fuckload of drugs  ;D

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2010, 04:39:08 AM »
In 1981 in his best condition ever he was observed by someone I trust doing about 16 sets a body part. 

Did you ever notice most personal trainers claim to be HIT guys.  If you are training someone wouldn't it be better to train them 20 minutes twice a week instead of 90 minutes four days a week?

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #85 on: October 09, 2010, 04:46:03 AM »
In 1981 in his best condition ever he was observed by someone I trust doing about 16 sets a body part. 

Did you ever notice most personal trainers claim to be HIT guys.  If you are training someone wouldn't it be better to train them 20 minutes twice a week instead of 90 minutes four days a week?

LOL, for sure.

You can get a lot more clients in with HIT.  ;D ;D

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #86 on: October 09, 2010, 07:04:06 AM »
LOL, for sure.

You can get a lot more clients in with HIT.  ;D ;D
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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #87 on: October 09, 2010, 08:09:33 AM »
mentzer speaks about this in his heavy duty book, he says casey was juced to the gills on dbol for the whole experiment.

even so, it is a remarkable improvement. 63 lbs  :o

ellington darden has a book out called bigger muscles in 42 days - his guy put on 34.25lbs in that time - clearly on gear. so there is no way casey wasn't on something.




whatever happened to Keith Whitley? No, not the country star that drank himself to death, that dude used to compete against wheeler and I've worked out with him in the late 80's was huge, never really knew where he went,

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #88 on: January 15, 2011, 01:41:50 AM »
Do you think Levrone has successfuly pulled a "colorado experiment" with his transformation?  ???

Which other pro could do that?

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #89 on: January 15, 2011, 04:56:58 AM »
I'd put him at the same bf % in both pics, sub-10. So therefore, his total gain during this experiment was 41 pounds of muscle and 4 pounds of fat. And as far as fit trainers pushing HIT to make more cash, HIT is a bad way to make the extra cash. If a trainer can dupe his client into training 6x a week with him, instead of only 2x a week, said trainer will make more cash. 2 sessions per week with the trainer equals 100 bucks for the trainer, while 6 sessions per week equals 300 bucks per week for the trainer.

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2011, 05:06:51 AM »
I'd put him at the same bf % in both pics, sub-10. So therefore, his total gain during this experiment was 41 pounds of muscle and 4 pounds of fat. And as far as fit trainers pushing HIT to make more cash, HIT is a bad way to make the extra cash. If a trainer can dupe his client into training 6x a week with him, instead of only 2x a week, said trainer will make more cash. 2 sessions per week with the trainer equals 100 bucks for the trainer, while 6 sessions per week equals 300 bucks per week for the trainer.

Stupid way of thinking.

Only a few people can afford to spend that much money for a PT as for 6 sessions/week.

So, with HIT, you will have MORE clients that pay LESS so in sum you have more money. It much easier to market and also only 2x/week suit most people much better than 6x/week.

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #91 on: January 15, 2011, 05:21:33 AM »
Good point DK, by da way, did you notice dat Casey said that he was nearly passed out, lying on the floor, damn near the point of difibulation (sp?) ;D That would be you, after our training session son ;)

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #92 on: January 15, 2011, 05:27:28 AM »
Good point DK, by da way, did you notice dat Casey said that he was nearly passed out, lying on the floor, damn near the point of difibulation (sp?) ;D That would be you, after our training session son ;)


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Seriously, from all i have read from you in the last 2 weeks, you act like a kid in kindergarten that wants to believe that it can really fly when it wraps a towel around his neck, not like a 36 year old guy with years of lifting experience.

Do yourself a favor and THINK for 3 seconds before you write any more bullshit.

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #93 on: January 15, 2011, 05:33:01 AM »
I know people are pretty jaded around here and you can never be sure but he sounds credible to me. There doesn't seem to be much reason for him to lie. He has nothing to gain and it seems like he didn't really care that much for A. Jones and found him overbearing and difficult, not to mention being a bit of an a-hole. So I doubt he would protect him or care about his credibility. Casey has already admitted to steroid use when he competed. This is the pertinent excerpt from his book which I got off the ironage forums. I'll post the complete chapter after for those that want a more detailed description of his experience in Colorado 36 years ago.

Excerpt from "Casey Viator's Total Fitness"

Many people have questioned the validity of this study. A lot of factors came into play, one of which is genetics. The average man would not have been able to gain 63 lbs. of raw muscle, which Arthur Jones and myself have been defending this study for years. There has been a lot of questions regarding steroid use. Many people claimed that I loaded up for this experiment. I can honestly say that there was no use of steroids during this study, which is a very important point. I was closely monitored in a closed door environment. Believe me, I would have done anything to have gained that weight, but I knew my rebound potential and I also knew I would make remarkable gains even before the study began.


  Mike Mentzer dismissed Viator's claim of being natural during "The Colorado Experiment", in his "Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty II: Mind And Body" as well as in several of his columns in Ironman Magazine. Mentzer said Viator wasn't taking powerful steroids or GH, but he was taking Primobolan, Deca and Winstrol which in thos days only existed in veterinarian versions for horses and cattle. According to Mentzer, the drugs at least doubled the training effectiveness, meaning that Viator would have gained at the most 30 lbs instead of 62 lbs like he did drug-free.

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2011, 07:40:37 AM »
Casey Viator - His Workout Routine
by Chris Lund -- 1981

http://home.insightbb.com/~e.augspurger/bodybuildingarticles/caseyviator/

I don't believe those weights for a second. 

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« Reply #95 on: January 15, 2011, 07:58:00 AM »
Speaking of Casey's so-called bullshit claims, I had a few phone consultations with Mike Mentzer back in 99, and I told him about an article that I read where Casey claimed that he regularly did dips with 300 pounds added to his bodyweight, and Mentzer just said something like, "Casey was known to stretch the truth somewhat"

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #96 on: January 15, 2011, 09:12:57 AM »
Speaking of Casey's so-called bullshit claims, I had a few phone consultations with Mike Mentzer back in 99, and I told him about an article that I read where Casey claimed that he regularly did dips with 300 pounds added to his bodyweight, and Mentzer just said something like, "Casey was known to stretch the truth somewhat"

LOL............Casey didn't stretch the truth he was one of the biggest bullshitters of his time.  If anyone doesn't believe bodybuilders are some of the most egotistical pathological liars around they are fucking dumbshits.  Seriously............... ...from that australian short midget fuck who's name escapes me.....ohh Lee Priest......to Arnold...........to Casey.......etc.  Id say if the guys nowadays were training back then with the laws the way they were most would probably me much more upfront...but if the guys from that era were training today they'd still be a bunch of fucking liars.  I'm sure if it wasn't for the laws Jay and guys like Ronnie would be much more upfront about their drug use.....I mean their use is a lot more obvious but still.  Those old timers were just liars. 

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #97 on: January 15, 2011, 09:25:20 AM »
LOL............Casey didn't stretch the truth he was one of the biggest bullshitters of his time.  If anyone doesn't believe bodybuilders are some of the most egotistical pathological liars around they are fucking dumbshits.  Seriously............... ...from that australian short midget fuck who's name escapes me.....ohh Lee Priest......to Arnold...........to Casey.......etc.  Id say if the guys nowadays were training back then with the laws the way they were most would probably me much more upfront...but if the guys from that era were training today they'd still be a bunch of fucking liars.  I'm sure if it wasn't for the laws Jay and guys like Ronnie would be much more upfront about their drug use.....I mean their use is a lot more obvious but still.  Those old timers were just liars. 

if you felas thikn bodybuild is anything more than eat gh as much as you can then you are living illusion ,,

bodybuild is in how much gh you can eat,,thats why we all look same on stage,,thats why we all can go up in lean muscle and reduce bodyfat same time,,

this is all there is to it,,

gh and lots of it,,

bodybuilder has nothing to do w ith genetic persay,,muscle shape is all nice and dandy but if you got the size and condition you made it and gh is the only way there,,

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #98 on: January 15, 2011, 09:25:31 AM »
63lbs is somewhat more believable if you consider that:
prior to the experiment he had trained and juiced for years and was huge for years, THEN stopped juicing and quit training for 5 months, dropped to extremely low calories and went down to 165lbs or so.
the whole purpose, for him, was to gain as much weight as possible while there-so prior to going, he basically got as light as he could. considering his muscle memory would have been used to huge juiced muscle, and the fact that he had exceptional genetics to begin with, i would expect a guy whose entire life for a month was 100% dedicated to only lifting, eating like a pig and sleeping to gain a large amount of weight.

This is true.  Funny to hear all the non-juicers opinions.  

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Re: Casey Viator claims drug free during Colorado experiment.
« Reply #99 on: January 15, 2011, 11:12:15 AM »
LOL............Casey didn't stretch the truth he was one of the biggest bullshitters of his time.  If anyone doesn't believe bodybuilders are some of the most egotistical pathological liars around they are fucking dumbshits.  Seriously............... ...from that australian short midget fuck who's name escapes me.....ohh Lee Priest......to Arnold...........to Casey.......etc.  Id say if the guys nowadays were training back then with the laws the way they were most would probably me much more upfront...but if the guys from that era were training today they'd still be a bunch of fucking liars.  I'm sure if it wasn't for the laws Jay and guys like Ronnie would be much more upfront about their drug use.....I mean their use is a lot more obvious but still.  Those old timers were just liars. 

Except that special guy whose pics you love to post correct? He was the exception..... ::) ::) ::)