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No , Haney was better . second in his first Olympia just his 3rd pro contest speaks volumes as does the fact he beat Haney in the muscularity round.
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not even close
haney destroying him from the back ... not easy to do
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Do you feel that Yates would have beat Haney if Haney were to have competed in 1992?
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Do you feel that Yates would have beat Haney if Haney were to have competed in 1992?
If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.
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haney hands down.
93 yates was untouchable tho
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If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.
Essentially you're saying that Yates made virtually no improvements from 1991 to 1992, other than adding on 3 pounds of muscle and maybe slightly improving his back?
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Dorian was magnificent in his 1st Mr. O. "He's like Haney WITH legs." His posing routine in 91 was awesome and I think the best of his career
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Essentially you're saying that Yates made virtually no improvements from 1991 to 1992, other than adding on 3 pounds of muscle and maybe slightly improving his back?
Dorian made the biggest improvement in his career between 91 and 92. He just overdieted for the Mr. O.
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Essentially you're saying that Yates made virtually no improvements from 1991 to 1992, other than adding on 3 pounds of muscle and maybe slightly improving his back?
this is true , perhaps improved his conditioning so what . I mean 1991 was only his 3rd pro contest and he was beating Haney at his very best in the muscularity round that speaks volumes on how great he was in 1993
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Dorian made the biggest improvement in his career between 91 and 92. He just overdieted for the Mr. O.
I believe he made the biggest improvements from 1990 to 1991 and again from 1992 to 1993.
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I believe he made the biggest improvements from 1990 to 1991 and again from 1992 to 1993.
What was seen at the 93O was the improvements Dorian made from 91 to 92. He could have come in at 257 in 92.
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What was seen at the 93O was the improvements Dorian made from 91 to 92. He could have come in at 257 in 92.
Absolutely this is 1992 ! This would have beat Haney 1991
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Absolutely this is 1992 ! This would have beat Haney 1991
Unbeatable.
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Haney will always look better than dorian 84-91
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Haney will always look better than dorian 84-91
Look better from an aesthetics standpoint? sure from the standpoint of the IFBB criteria no
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Look better from an aesthetics standpoint? sure from the standpoint of the IFBB criteria no
no, more of a 'better bodybuilder' standpoint, like Haney 1st place, Doz 2nd....
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What was seen at the 93O was the improvements Dorian made from 91 to 92. He could have come in at 257 in 92.
You're discounting a whole year more of training he achieved from 1992 to 1993 though. Even if he had not overdieted in 1992, he would NOT have stepped onstage in 1992 and looked like he did in 1993. He was 275 pounds 3 weeks out from the 1993 Mr. Olympia. If anything, he may have overdieted for the 1993 Mr. Olympia, which shows just how much he improved from 1992 to 1993.
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You're discounting a whole year more of training he achieved from 1992 to 1993 though. Even if he had not overdieted in 1992, he would NOT have stepped onstage in 1992 and looked like he did in 1993. He was 275 pounds 3 weeks out from the 1993 Mr. Olympia. If anything, he may have overdieted for the 1993 Mr. Olympia, which shows just how much he improved from 1992 to 1993.
To quote Yates: "it was a nutrition change I made from 1992 to 1993 that made the difference"
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no, more of a 'better bodybuilder' standpoint, like Haney 1st place, Doz 2nd....
Wow great way to support your claim ::) ummmm I mean blanket statement
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Wow great way to support your claim ::) ummmm I mean blanket statement
I got to the point, sorry mr. 159 pages of talking about the same thing.....
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no, more of a 'better bodybuilder' standpoint, like Haney 1st place, Doz 2nd....
haney was a "better bodybuilder" because he had much better shape, symmetry and taper than dorian did.
he had a classical champion bb physique, not that of a classical bricklayer..
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Dorian was magnificent in his 1st Mr. O. "He's like Haney WITH legs." His posing routine in 91 was awesome and I think the best of his career
yeah but haney brought his best leg's yet in 91 was really dry all over for this one,yates was goodrunnerup .
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I think the judging panel felt obligated to let Haney get the then-record 8 straight wins.
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haney was a "better bodybuilder" because he had much better shape, symmetry and taper than dorian did.
he had a classical champion bb physique, not that of a classical bricklayer..
Your ignorance and bias abounds as always. ::)
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If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.
Thats exactly right ND, ive read Dorian say in flex way back when that he felt he would of beaten Haney in 1992, i felt Haneys awesome physqiue he brought in 1991 would of still been too much for Dorian in 1992....1993 in my veiw would of been too much for Haney and while i know im in the minority i feel That 1993 Dorian Yates would of been too good for ANY MR OLYMPIA in history...with only a 1998 MR OLYMPIA Ronnie being too close to call.
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Absolutely this is 1992 ! This would have beat Haney 1991
You can't take some pictures that's not from a competition and say "this would beat him or him"
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and how any one can say from this clip which shows only yates??.. you have to post part of the prejudging or at least to post a link to lee haney's routine as well so we can compare..
i have the whole contest and both haney and yates were great but lee was thicker and bigger and deserved his victory.. still it was a tough competition!!..
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If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.
yes because yates of 92 was nearly the same as 91.. a little bigger (may be only 3 pounds heavier) but the same condition..
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Damn.....fuck Ronnie, thats the best front lat spread ever. symetrical and the pose is hit the best way it can be.
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If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.
That, of course, is under the gross assumption that Haney couldn't have made similar gains in size.
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Damn.....fuck Ronnie, thats the best front lat spread ever. symetrical and the pose is hit the best way it can be.
nope sorry.
striations and cuts everywhere. great lats. tiny waist.
not smooth and detail-less like dorians's..
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Your ignorance and bias abounds as always. ::)
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uh no. haney was better that year.
sorry nuthuggers: ::)
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I got to the point, sorry mr. 159 pages of talking about the same thing.....
no you made a claim and didn't back it up in the least .
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haney was a "better bodybuilder" because he had much better shape, symmetry and taper than dorian did.
he had a classical champion bb physique, not that of a classical bricklayer..
ha ha ha ha the troll enters another Dorian Yates thread
Dorian owns you like he owed your hero
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ha ha ha ha the troll enters another Dorian Yates thread
Dorian owns you like he owed your hero
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I posted pics of haney and dorian - thats the topic loser ::).
how is that trolling, you fucking moron >:(
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I posted pics of haney and dorian - thats the topic loser ::).
how is that trolling, you fucking moron >:(
meltdown
Hulkster in a Yates thread = trolling
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Hulkster in a Yates thread = trolling
??? ::)
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That, of course, is under the gross assumption that Haney couldn't have made similar gains in size.
Haney's weight stood always around 250 pounds and assuming he could have made similar gains in size doesn't mean he'd be able to add the conditioning to go with it , Haney competed at 257 pounds albeit it soft so it's very safe to assume he couldn't equal Yates
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Haney's weight stood always around 250 pounds and assuming he could have made similar gains in size doesn't mean he'd be able to add the conditioning to go with it , Haney competed at 257 pounds albeit it soft so it's very safe to assume he couldn't equal Yates
Haney didn't compete at 257 pounds..
all the weider mags proclaimed dorian to be the heaviest mr. O. on record at the time in 1993 and he was 257..
so...either Haney wasn't 257 or they were hyping up dorian to be something he wasn't..oh wait..they made a career out of that..lol
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Haney didn't compete at 257 pounds..
all the weider mags proclaimed dorian to be the heaviest mr. O. on record at the time in 1993 and he was 257..
so...either Haney wasn't 257 or they were hyping up dorian to be something he wasn't..oh wait..they made a career out of that..lol
Hulkster Lee Haney HIMSELF said he competed at 257 pounds and there have been many guys before Yates who competed at 250+ the difference is ( like Haney ) they weren't in shape . it's extremely difficult to maintain that type of conditioning at that weight , just look at the 7 pound gain Ronnie made from 1998 to 1999 his conditioning started to suffer for it , although his conditioning in 1999 was very good .
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??? ::)
??? ? you're posting Coleman pics in a Haney Yates thread , that's trolling.
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nope sorry.
striations and cuts everywhere. great lats. tiny waist.
not smooth and detail-less like dorians's..
surprise, surprise...the troll posting more coleman pics in a Yates thread ::) Get a fucking life already.
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surprise, surprise...the troll posting more coleman pics in a Yates thread ::) Get a fucking life already.
Exactly , and he acts surprised when people call him a troll . ::)
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Exactly , and he acts surprised when people call him a troll . ::)
the only people that call me a troll are you and your two bitches and all your related gimmick accounts... ::)
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surprise, surprise...the troll posting more coleman pics in a Yates thread ::) Get a fucking life already.
I am just correcting yates nuthuggers like yourself who claim dorian's latspread was unbeatable.
it was surpassed by ronnie, right here for your viewing pleasure: :P
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Haney's weight stood always around 250 pounds and assuming he could have made similar gains in size doesn't mean he'd be able to add the conditioning to go with it , Haney competed at 257 pounds albeit it soft so it's very safe to assume he couldn't equal Yates
Now, you're assuming that he couldn't achieve the same condition. I don't see where you get that rationale.
Look at Lou's Ferrigno's physique from the 70s; now look at his physique from the 90s.
If he can make that dramatic of a change, after that big of a time gap, I don't see it out of the question that Haney could mimic the size and definition changes that Yates did.
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I read in Flex magazine years ago that Haney was up to 259 pounds in pre-judging at one of his later Olympias. Unfortunately I cannot recall which one. Haney pushed the size envelope while maintaining the CLASSIC LOOK (v-shape and a TON of definition, with a TON of size).. Haney was one of the best. He was ahead of his time and NO ONE compared to him in the 80's in regards to size, with exception to Bertil Fox and Mike Christian. Lee Labrada was too small to be considered a threat. Gaspari was vastly overrated.
That being said, I think Yates's PEAK was 1993-1995 (competitive years) and was virtually unbeatable during those years, with exception to MAYBE a 1993 Flex Wheeler and 1994 Shawn Ray.
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Now, you're assuming that he couldn't achieve the same condition. I don't see where you get that rationale.
Look at Lou's Ferrigno's physique from the 70s; now look at his physique from the 90s.
If he can make that dramatic of a change, after that big of a time gap, I don't see it out of the question that Haney could mimic the size and definition changes that Yates did.
Would have been interesting to have seen what COULD have been if Arnold has made a similar COMEBACK in the mid-late 80's/early 90's, like Ferrigno, Oliva, Robbinson and Coe did.
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Now, you're assuming that he couldn't achieve the same condition. I don't see where you get that rationale.
Look at Lou's Ferrigno's physique from the 70s; now look at his physique from the 90s.
If he can make that dramatic of a change, after that big of a time gap, I don't see it out of the question that Haney could mimic the size and definition changes that Yates did.
Haney admitted that in 1991 he finally peaked the day OF the contest not like all previous years where it was either the day before or the day after . and again he already competed at 257 pounds and guess what his conditioning suffered for it so what does that tell us? that he couldn't compete at higher bodyweights while maintaining his conditioning which wasn't as stellar as Dorians in the first place
And Lou looked much better in the 70s in my opinion , his gut and his implants looked atrocious , Loe was heavier obviously due to GH use but he really didn't look better , another example of a guy adding weight with an ill effect was Shawn Ray who competed at 215 pounds instead of his normal 205 and guess what? his conditioning was off , it's extremely hard to put on quality size while maintaining density & dryness
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I am just correcting yates nuthuggers like yourself who claim dorian's latspread was unbeatable.
it was surpassed by ronnie, right here for your viewing pleasure: :P
Hulkster you're trolling Ronnie in non-Ronnie threads seriously fuck off.
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uh no. haney was better that year.
sorry nuthuggers: ::)
My comment was referring to your incessant habit of calling Dorian a bricklayer (I bolded your quote in that regard to try help you keep up, guess you're too slow) , despite shots being posted where he is displaying a great physique. You just can't help yourself, I guess that's why you're a troll.
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My comment was referring to your incessant habit of calling Dorian a bricklayer (I bolded your quote in that regard to try help you keep up, guess you're too slow) , despite shots being posted where he is displaying a great physique. You just can't help yourself, I guess that's why you're a troll.
Great post ! he thinks if he constantly degrades Dorian that it makes Ronnie better and it doesn't , especially considering Ronnie has a tremendous amount of respect for Dorian and even though it may not be true feels that even after he hit his stride Dorian would still beat him.
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Haney admitted that in 1991 he finally peaked the day OF the contest not like all previous years where it was either the day before or the day after . and again he already competed at 257 pounds and guess what his conditioning suffered for it so what does that tell us? that he couldn't compete at higher bodyweights while maintaining his conditioning which wasn't as stellar as Dorians in the first place
And Lou looked much better in the 70s in my opinion , his gut and his implants looked atrocious , Loe was heavier obviously due to GH use but he really didn't look better , another example of a guy adding weight with an ill effect was Shawn Ray who competed at 215 pounds instead of his normal 205 and guess what? his conditioning was off , it's extremely hard to put on quality size while maintaining density & dryness
Lou looked best in the early 80's while filming Hercules. He was Olympia level condition in 1982.
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I think Haney was plainly thicker in the chest than Dorian. That's the only thing that jumped out at me about that year's O.
The rest is too close to call.
DAMY
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I think Haney was plainly thicker in the chest than Dorian. That's the only thing that jumped out at me about that year's O.
The rest is too close to call.
DAMY
also lee's back was wider than dorian's but lacked the sharpness and the hardness of dorian's back..
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Fuck, I forgot about backs.
Since the Mr-O Dorian era, I don't think anyone, even now, has bettered his back.
DAMY
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Thats exactly right ND, ive read Dorian say in flex way back when that he felt he would of beaten Haney in 1992, i felt Haneys awesome physqiue he brought in 1991 would of still been too much for Dorian in 1992....1993 in my veiw would of been too much for Haney and while i know im in the minority i feel That 1993 Dorian Yates would of been too good for ANY MR OLYMPIA in history...with only a 1998 MR OLYMPIA Ronnie being too close to call.
Is this a joke? Other than that, I agree.
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Dorian acknowledged Haney's superiority in the 1991 contest, agreeing that Haney was better on that day. It was close, but Haney was deserving of the title. Regardless, Dorian would not have been the type to complain about a contest result. He would simply dig deep and commit to working hard to show up better the next time. Something most of his counterparts would have been wise to follow.
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Game Ovahhhh :)
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Regardless, Dorian would not have been the type to complain about a contest result
why would he when they gave him gifts looking like this? ::)
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why would he when they gave him gifts looking like this? ::)
lmao this coming from the troll who claims Ronnie dominated in 2001 lol by losing the entire prejudging and great pic BTW ::)
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why would he when they gave him gifts looking like this? ::)
Ray could have taken it in 1994. I'll stand by that statement.
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Ray could have taken it in 1994. I'll stand by that statement.
of course he could. dorian got a gift.
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Ray could have taken it in 1994. I'll stand by that statement.
Ray thought otherwise
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of course he could. dorian got a gift.
BOOM owned yet again moron and by MuscleMag ;)
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
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why would he when they gave him gifts looking like this? ::)
Once again you stray off course in a transparent attempt to bash Dorian. How about you stay the f*ck out of any Dorian thread from now on, troll. ::)
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Ray thought otherwise
..but only when under Weider contract..
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he has since publicly blasted the decision, including here on getbig.
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ps you are famous for taking one quote from a bb and sticking with it, no matter what they have said in the past.
why do you not do the same with Ray?
eg. ronnie said in 99 he was better conditioned than in 98
but later said 98 was the best conditioning he has ever showed and you shove this one down our throats.
if ray said he was okay with 94 but later said he was screwed, why dont you take the second quote?
oh thats right, you are a biased pathetic moron who picks and choses quotes to fit your agenda.. ::)
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Haney admitted that in 1991 he finally peaked the day OF the contest not like all previous years where it was either the day before or the day after . and again he already competed at 257 pounds and guess what his conditioning suffered for it so what does that tell us? that he couldn't compete at higher bodyweights while maintaining his conditioning which wasn't as stellar as Dorians in the first place.
Actually, I believe his words were that he finally LEARNED how to peak.
The point is that this whole idea that Haney had simply maxed out his size and conditioning potential simply has little merit to it, espeically since he retired at the tender age of 31, just 2-3 years older than Yates.
And, it's mainly propped up by Yates fans, who are a bit miffed that Haney beat their guy.
And Lou looked much better in the 70s in my opinion , his gut and his implants looked atrocious , Loe was heavier obviously due to GH use but he really didn't look better , another example of a guy adding weight with an ill effect was Shawn Ray who competed at 215 pounds instead of his normal 205 and guess what? his conditioning was off , it's extremely hard to put on quality size while maintaining density & dryness
The issue with Lou Ferrigno isn't whether he looked "better" in the 70s vs. the 90s. Ferrigno was able to increase his size and definition. Calf issue aside, he looked unreal in 1993, where he placed 10th at the Olympia.
And I used him to make the point that, if he can have a size and conditioning increase of that magnitude, after taking all those years off and being in his 40s, there's no reason to suggest that Haney couldn't have done something similar.
Suggesting that Haney was in the twilight of his career, while Yates was just getting started, is what some Yates' fans do to stomach the fact that The Awesome one defeated the Shadow, in their lone appearance onstage together.
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..but only when under Weider contract..
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he has since publicly blasted the decision, including here on getbig.
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ps you are famous for taking one quote from a bb and sticking with it, no matter what they have said in the past.
why do you not do the same with Ray?
eg. ronnie said in 99 he was better conditioned than in 98
but later said 98 was the best conditioning he has ever showed and you shove this one down our throats.
if ray said he was okay with 94 but later said he was screwed, why dont you take the second quote?
oh thats right, you are a biased pathetic moron who picks and choses quotes to fit your agenda.. ::)
Oh so now it suits your purposes to use quotes after the fact ::) the Ronnie quote as of late about his conditioning is useless but now the Ray one is? more of your retarded logic and who cares in the end? the judges judge contests and according to them the 1994 Mr Olympia was a close contest ....for second & third
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Actually, I believe his words were that he finally LEARNED how to peak.
The point is that this whole idea that Haney had simply maxed out his size and conditioning potential simply has little merit to it, espeically since he retired at the tender age of 31, just 2-3 years older than Yates.
And, it's mainly propped up by Yates fans, who are a bit miffed that Haney beat their guy.
The issue with Lou Ferrigno isn't whether he looked "better" in the 70s vs. the 90s. Ferrigno was able to increase his size and definition. Calf issue aside, he looked unreal in 1993, where he placed 10th at the Olympia.
And I used him to make the point that, if he can have a size and conditioning increase of that magnitude, after taking all those years off and being in his 40s, there's no reason to suggest that Haney couldn't have done something similar.
Suggesting that Haney was in the twilight of his career, while Yates was just getting started, is what some Yates' fans do to stomach the fact that The Awesome one defeated the Shadow, in their lone appearance onstage together.
Actually, I believe his words were that he finally LEARNED how to peak.
The point is that this whole idea that Haney had simply maxed out his size and conditioning potential simply has little merit to it, espeically since he retired at the tender age of 31, just 2-3 years older than Yates.
And, it's mainly propped up by Yates fans, who are a bit miffed that Haney beat their guy.
No it has merit to it , and why? he tried to compete past his usual good conditioned 250 pounds and his conditioning suffered for it and at his best Haney's conditioning wasn't on Dorian's level anyway , and I don't have a problem with Haney winning in 1991
The issue with Lou Ferrigno isn't whether he looked "better" in the 70s vs. the 90s. Ferrigno was able to increase his size and definition. Calf issue aside, he looked unreal in 1993, where he placed 10th at the Olympia.
And I used him to make the point that, if he can have a size and conditioning increase of that magnitude, after taking all those years off and being in his 40s, there's no reason to suggest that Haney couldn't have done something similar.
the reason for the size increase was obviously due to GH his conditioning was good for that weight but again we already have an example of Haney coming in heavier albeit softer , so entertaining he could come in bigger and maintain the same conditioning in my opinion he still couldn't compete with Yates in the conditioning department , but I get your point there would be room from improvement seeing he was young.
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No it has merit to it , and why? he tried to compete past his usual good conditioned 250 pounds and his conditioning suffered for it and at his best Haney's conditioning wasn't on Dorian's level anyway , and I don't have a problem with Haney winning in 1991
Hence the reason, I said "some" Yates fans do that. I simply see it as Haney having tried to compete that heavy but not come in his best condition. As luck would have it, the one show where he finally learned how to peak was his LAST. I figure, if he did it once, he can do it again, perhaps at a heavier bodyweight.
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Hence the reason, I said "some" Yates fans do that. I simply see it as Haney having tried to compete that heavy but not come in his best condition. As luck would have it, the one show where he finally learned how to peak was his LAST. I figure, if he did it once, he can do it again, perhaps at a heavier bodyweight.
I get your point and it's valid perhaps he could have he was ceratinly young enough it would have been great to see an old Sergio/Arnold rivalry , Haney had enough size & thickness to compete but he was smart he did everything he wanted in the sport and literally retired at the top of his game.