Author Topic: Dorian Yates at the 1991 Mr. Olympia... Did he deserve to win? (Read 17000 times)

johnny1 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 24, 2009, 10:11:18 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 24, 2009, 05:45:30 PM

If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.

Thats exactly right ND, ive read Dorian say in flex way back when that he felt he would of beaten Haney in 1992, i felt Haneys awesome physqiue he brought in 1991 would of still been too much for Dorian in 1992....1993 in my veiw would of been too much for Haney and while i know im in the minority i feel That 1993 Dorian Yates would of been too good for ANY MR OLYMPIA in history...with only a 1998 MR OLYMPIA Ronnie being too close to call.

seste · « **Reply #26 on:** April 25, 2009, 10:55:05 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 24, 2009, 06:05:43 PM

Absolutely this is 1992 ! This would have beat Haney 1991

You can't take some pictures that's not from a competition and say "this would beat him or him"

CastIron · « **Reply #27 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:01:23 AM »

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #28 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:17:36 AM »

Quote from: Danimal77 on April 24, 2009, 05:30:34 PM

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Discuss....

and how any one can say from this clip which shows only yates??.. you have to post part of the prejudging or at least to post a link to lee haney's routine as well so we can compare..

i have the whole contest and both haney and yates were great but lee was thicker and bigger and deserved his victory.. still it was a tough competition!!..

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #29 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:20:21 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 24, 2009, 05:45:30 PM

If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.

yes because yates of 92 was nearly the same as 91.. a little bigger (may be only 3 pounds heavier) but the same condition..

Meso_z · « **Reply #30 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:22:53 AM »

Damn.....fuck Ronnie, thats the best front lat spread ever. symetrical and the pose is hit the best way it can be.

MCWAY · « **Reply #31 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:23:48 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 24, 2009, 05:45:30 PM

If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.

That, of course, is under the gross assumption that Haney couldn't have made similar gains in size.

Hulkster · « **Reply #32 on:** April 25, 2009, 12:12:18 PM »

Quote from: Meso_z on April 25, 2009, 11:22:53 AM

Damn.....fuck Ronnie, thats the best front lat spread ever. symetrical and the pose is hit the best way it can be.

nope sorry.

striations and cuts everywhere. great lats. tiny waist.

not smooth and detail-less like dorians's..

Hulkster · « **Reply #33 on:** April 25, 2009, 12:21:18 PM »

Quote from: Mr.1derful on April 24, 2009, 09:38:35 PM

Your ignorance and bias abounds as always.

uh no. haney was better that year.

sorry nuthuggers:

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #34 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:39:25 PM »

Quote from: Monster_Everything on April 24, 2009, 06:22:54 PM

I got to the point, sorry mr. 159 pages of talking about the same thing.....

no you made a claim and didn't back it up in the least .

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #35 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:40:58 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 24, 2009, 07:11:38 PM

haney was a "better bodybuilder" because he had much better shape, symmetry and taper than dorian did.

he had a classical champion bb physique, not that of a classical bricklayer..

ha ha ha ha the troll enters another Dorian Yates thread

Dorian owns you like he owed your hero

Hulkster · « **Reply #36 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:48:34 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2009, 01:40:58 PM

ha ha ha ha the troll enters another Dorian Yates thread

Dorian owns you like he owed your hero

I posted pics of haney and dorian - thats the topic loser

.

how is that trolling, you fucking moron

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #37 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:05:36 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 01:48:34 PM

I posted pics of haney and dorian - thats the topic loser .

how is that trolling, you fucking moron

meltdown

Hulkster in a Yates thread = trolling

Hulkster · « **Reply #38 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:18:51 PM »

Quote

Hulkster in a Yates thread = trolling

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #39 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:31:37 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on April 25, 2009, 11:23:48 AM

That, of course, is under the gross assumption that Haney couldn't have made similar gains in size.

Haney's weight stood always around 250 pounds and assuming he could have made similar gains in size doesn't mean he'd be able to add the conditioning to go with it , Haney competed at 257 pounds albeit it soft so it's very safe to assume he couldn't equal Yates

Hulkster · « **Reply #40 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:37:37 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2009, 03:31:37 PM

Haney's weight stood always around 250 pounds and assuming he could have made similar gains in size doesn't mean he'd be able to add the conditioning to go with it , Haney competed at 257 pounds albeit it soft so it's very safe to assume he couldn't equal Yates

Haney didn't compete at 257 pounds..

all the weider mags proclaimed dorian to be the heaviest mr. O. on record at the time in 1993 and he was 257..

so...either Haney wasn't 257 or they were hyping up dorian to be something he wasn't..oh wait..they made a career out of that..lol

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #41 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:46:28 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 03:37:37 PM

Haney didn't compete at 257 pounds..

all the weider mags proclaimed dorian to be the heaviest mr. O. on record at the time in 1993 and he was 257..

so...either Haney wasn't 257 or they were hyping up dorian to be something he wasn't..oh wait..they made a career out of that..lol

Hulkster Lee Haney HIMSELF said he competed at 257 pounds and there have been many guys before Yates who competed at 250+ the difference is ( like Haney ) they weren't in shape . it's extremely difficult to maintain that type of conditioning at that weight , just look at the 7 pound gain Ronnie made from 1998 to 1999 his conditioning started to suffer for it , although his conditioning in 1999 was very good .

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #42 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:49:38 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 03:18:51 PM

? you're posting Coleman pics in a Haney Yates thread , that's trolling.

England_1 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:55:47 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 25, 2009, 12:12:18 PM

nope sorry.

striations and cuts everywhere. great lats. tiny waist.

not smooth and detail-less like dorians's..

surprise, surprise...the troll posting more coleman pics in a Yates thread

Get a fucking life already.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #44 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:59:58 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on April 25, 2009, 03:55:47 PM

surprise, surprise...the troll posting more coleman pics in a Yates thread Get a fucking life already.

Exactly , and he acts surprised when people call him a troll .

Hulkster · « **Reply #45 on:** April 25, 2009, 04:05:41 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2009, 03:59:58 PM

Exactly , and he acts surprised when people call him a troll .

the only people that call me a troll are you and your two bitches and all your related gimmick accounts...

Hulkster · « **Reply #46 on:** April 25, 2009, 04:06:51 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on April 25, 2009, 03:55:47 PM

surprise, surprise...the troll posting more coleman pics in a Yates thread Get a fucking life already.

I am just correcting yates nuthuggers like yourself who claim dorian's latspread was unbeatable.

it was surpassed by ronnie, right here for your viewing pleasure:

MCWAY · « **Reply #47 on:** April 25, 2009, 05:06:12 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 25, 2009, 03:31:37 PM

Haney's weight stood always around 250 pounds and assuming he could have made similar gains in size doesn't mean he'd be able to add the conditioning to go with it , Haney competed at 257 pounds albeit it soft so it's very safe to assume he couldn't equal Yates

Now, you're assuming that he couldn't achieve the same condition. I don't see where you get that rationale.

Look at Lou's Ferrigno's physique from the 70s; now look at his physique from the 90s.

If he can make that dramatic of a change, after that big of a time gap, I don't see it out of the question that Haney could mimic the size and definition changes that Yates did.

Danimal77 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 25, 2009, 05:10:44 PM »

I read in Flex magazine years ago that Haney was up to 259 pounds in pre-judging at one of his later Olympias. Unfortunately I cannot recall which one. Haney pushed the size envelope while maintaining the CLASSIC LOOK (v-shape and a TON of definition, with a TON of size).. Haney was one of the best. He was ahead of his time and NO ONE compared to him in the 80's in regards to size, with exception to Bertil Fox and Mike Christian. Lee Labrada was too small to be considered a threat. Gaspari was vastly overrated.

That being said, I think Yates's PEAK was 1993-1995 (competitive years) and was virtually unbeatable during those years, with exception to MAYBE a 1993 Flex Wheeler and 1994 Shawn Ray.

Danimal77 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 25, 2009, 05:12:44 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on April 25, 2009, 05:06:12 PM

Now, you're assuming that he couldn't achieve the same condition. I don't see where you get that rationale.

Look at Lou's Ferrigno's physique from the 70s; now look at his physique from the 90s.

If he can make that dramatic of a change, after that big of a time gap, I don't see it out of the question that Haney could mimic the size and definition changes that Yates did.

Would have been interesting to have seen what COULD have been if Arnold has made a similar COMEBACK in the mid-late 80's/early 90's, like Ferrigno, Oliva, Robbinson and Coe did.