Author Topic: Dorian Yates at the 1991 Mr. Olympia... Did he deserve to win? (Read 17026 times)

Danimal77 · « **on:** April 24, 2009, 05:30:34 PM »

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NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:35:58 PM »

Quote from: Danimal77 on April 24, 2009, 05:30:34 PM

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No , Haney was better . second in his first Olympia just his 3rd pro contest speaks volumes as does the fact he beat Haney in the muscularity round.

ether · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:39:42 PM »

not even close

haney destroying him from the back ... not easy to do

Danimal77 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:40:39 PM »

Do you feel that Yates would have beat Haney if Haney were to have competed in 1992?

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:45:30 PM »

Quote from: Danimal77 on April 24, 2009, 05:40:39 PM

Do you feel that Yates would have beat Haney if Haney were to have competed in 1992?

If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.

ether · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:46:01 PM »

haney hands down.

93 yates was untouchable tho

Danimal77 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:52:48 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 24, 2009, 05:45:30 PM

If Haney were to show up looking like he did in 1991 and Yates the way he did in 1992 , I think Haney would have beat him again , 1993 Dorian would have left Haney for dead.

Essentially you're saying that Yates made virtually no improvements from 1991 to 1992, other than adding on 3 pounds of muscle and maybe slightly improving his back?

England_1 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:54:49 PM »

Dorian was magnificent in his 1st Mr. O. "He's like Haney WITH legs." His posing routine in 91 was awesome and I think the best of his career

England_1 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:56:02 PM »

Quote from: Danimal77 on April 24, 2009, 05:52:48 PM

Essentially you're saying that Yates made virtually no improvements from 1991 to 1992, other than adding on 3 pounds of muscle and maybe slightly improving his back?

Dorian made the biggest improvement in his career between 91 and 92. He just overdieted for the Mr. O.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #9 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:57:11 PM »

Quote from: Danimal77 on April 24, 2009, 05:52:48 PM

Essentially you're saying that Yates made virtually no improvements from 1991 to 1992, other than adding on 3 pounds of muscle and maybe slightly improving his back?

this is true , perhaps improved his conditioning so what . I mean 1991 was only his 3rd pro contest and he was beating Haney at his very best in the muscularity round that speaks volumes on how great he was in 1993

Danimal77 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:00:48 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on April 24, 2009, 05:56:02 PM

Dorian made the biggest improvement in his career between 91 and 92. He just overdieted for the Mr. O.

I believe he made the biggest improvements from 1990 to 1991 and again from 1992 to 1993.

England_1 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:02:48 PM »

Quote from: Danimal77 on April 24, 2009, 06:00:48 PM

I believe he made the biggest improvements from 1990 to 1991 and again from 1992 to 1993.

What was seen at the 93O was the improvements Dorian made from 91 to 92. He could have come in at 257 in 92.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #12 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:05:43 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on April 24, 2009, 06:02:48 PM

What was seen at the 93O was the improvements Dorian made from 91 to 92. He could have come in at 257 in 92.

Absolutely this is 1992 ! This would have beat Haney 1991

m8 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:06:28 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 24, 2009, 06:05:43 PM

Absolutely this is 1992 ! This would have beat Haney 1991

Unbeatable.

Monster_Everything · « **Reply #14 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:09:06 PM »

Haney will always look better than dorian 84-91

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #15 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:10:37 PM »

Quote from: Monster_Everything on April 24, 2009, 06:09:06 PM

Haney will always look better than dorian 84-91

Look better from an aesthetics standpoint? sure from the standpoint of the IFBB criteria no

Monster_Everything · « **Reply #16 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:15:00 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 24, 2009, 06:10:37 PM

Look better from an aesthetics standpoint? sure from the standpoint of the IFBB criteria no

no, more of a 'better bodybuilder' standpoint, like Haney 1st place, Doz 2nd....

Danimal77 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:16:37 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on April 24, 2009, 06:02:48 PM

What was seen at the 93O was the improvements Dorian made from 91 to 92. He could have come in at 257 in 92.

You're discounting a whole year more of training he achieved from 1992 to 1993 though. Even if he had not overdieted in 1992, he would NOT have stepped onstage in 1992 and looked like he did in 1993. He was 275 pounds 3 weeks out from the 1993 Mr. Olympia. If anything, he may have overdieted for the 1993 Mr. Olympia, which shows just how much he improved from 1992 to 1993.

England_1 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:19:22 PM »

Quote from: Danimal77 on April 24, 2009, 06:16:37 PM

You're discounting a whole year more of training he achieved from 1992 to 1993 though. Even if he had not overdieted in 1992, he would NOT have stepped onstage in 1992 and looked like he did in 1993. He was 275 pounds 3 weeks out from the 1993 Mr. Olympia. If anything, he may have overdieted for the 1993 Mr. Olympia, which shows just how much he improved from 1992 to 1993.

To quote Yates: "it was a nutrition change I made from 1992 to 1993 that made the difference"

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #19 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:21:39 PM »

Quote from: Monster_Everything on April 24, 2009, 06:15:00 PM

no, more of a 'better bodybuilder' standpoint, like Haney 1st place, Doz 2nd....

Wow great way to support your claim

ummmm I mean blanket statement

Monster_Everything · « **Reply #20 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:22:54 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 24, 2009, 06:21:39 PM

Wow great way to support your claim ummmm I mean blanket statement

I got to the point, sorry mr. 159 pages of talking about the same thing.....

Hulkster · « **Reply #21 on:** April 24, 2009, 07:11:38 PM »

Quote from: Monster_Everything on April 24, 2009, 06:15:00 PM

no, more of a 'better bodybuilder' standpoint, like Haney 1st place, Doz 2nd....

haney was a "better bodybuilder" because he had much better shape, symmetry and taper than dorian did.

he had a classical champion bb physique, not that of a classical bricklayer..

njflex · « **Reply #22 on:** April 24, 2009, 08:43:44 PM »

Quote from: England_1 on April 24, 2009, 05:54:49 PM

Dorian was magnificent in his 1st Mr. O. "He's like Haney WITH legs." His posing routine in 91 was awesome and I think the best of his career

yeah but haney brought his best leg's yet in 91 was really dry all over for this one,yates was goodrunnerup .

McFarland · « **Reply #23 on:** April 24, 2009, 08:52:31 PM »

I think the judging panel felt obligated to let Haney get the then-record 8 straight wins.

Mr.1derful · « **Reply #24 on:** April 24, 2009, 09:38:35 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on April 24, 2009, 07:11:38 PM

haney was a "better bodybuilder" because he had much better shape, symmetry and taper than dorian did.

he had a classical champion bb physique, not that of a classical bricklayer..

Your ignorance and bias abounds as always.