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Title: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 03:32:47 PM
Obviously Getbig likes a joke, its all fun, which is great.

But can I get some serious opinions on the following acts of history, and moreso, can someone explain 'how' did this crap ever happen?

I mean, just 'why' would folks sit back and just go with the flow with this?

Ron - and no offence posting the photos -  I know you are jewish, but would you care to weigh in and give us your opinion here?

The images are abit graphic, shocking infact, some shit just leaves ya fucked off, especially when - as these pictures show - it graphically hits the kids:

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2zs4kg6.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2vimntc.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2l8f4eo.jpg)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: benchthis on April 26, 2009, 03:36:06 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man's_Search_for_Meaning

read this.. the book not just the wiki page
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: gordiano on April 26, 2009, 03:37:23 PM
Obviously Getbig likes a joke, its all fun, which is great.

But can I get some serious opinions on the following acts of history, and moreso, can someone explain 'how' did this crap ever happen?

I mean, just 'why' would folks sit back and just go with the flow with this?

Ron - and no offence posting the photos -  I know you are jewish, but would you care to weigh in and give us your opinion here?

The images are abit graphic, shocking infact, soem shit just leaves fucked off, especially when - as these pictures show - it graphically hits the kids:

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2zs4kg6.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2vimntc.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2l8f4eo.jpg)

I've asked myself these very questions....many times....sadly, I have no answers.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: lovemonkey on April 26, 2009, 03:40:12 PM
Indoctrination, propaganda and group mentality are strong forces.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Big_Tymer on April 26, 2009, 03:40:58 PM
maybe because the jews are the cause of the current usa financial crisis and all of the problems in the middle east?
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 26, 2009, 03:41:14 PM
Frog in boiling water syndrome.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: lovemonkey on April 26, 2009, 03:42:28 PM
maybe because the jews are the cause of the current usa financial crisis and all of the problems in the middle east?

I have a pic you perhaps would like to post.

Oh btw, what a coincidence that this thread emerges just when MattC have been released  ;D
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Method101 on April 26, 2009, 03:44:45 PM
the worst things in ww2 happend to the chinease by the japanese.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 03:45:48 PM
Indoctrination, propaganda and group mentality are strong forces.

Yeah but what indoctrination? give an example or its just simple rehetoric.

I mean, just 'what' could somebody be indoctirnated with to make them a) go along with a plan of putting people in camps/working people to death, b) what kind of propaganda could render a person so servile that they would just go along to the camps rather than fight back?

These fucked up pictures make me think of an evil regime, what do they make you think of?

See what I am trying to get at?

Its bizzare, truly.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
Frog in boiling water syndrome.

which is?
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 03:48:25 PM
the worst things in ww2 happend to the chinease by the japanese.

I am not sure what your point is, nobody in this thread has questioned the unspeakable horrors commited by the japs during WWII
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: CARTEL on April 26, 2009, 03:49:13 PM
which is?

Frog soup.

This seems kind of deep for the G&O board.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 26, 2009, 03:50:18 PM
which is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Tre on April 26, 2009, 03:51:16 PM
Indoctrination, propaganda and group mentality are strong forces.

Quite similar (though not in the level of horror, make no mistake) to the way some segments of modern American society are teaching their kids to view people they perceive as 'different'.

People who do not love themselves can do unspeakable things to other individuals.  This is why self-love is *not* taught, even in America. 

Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Method101 on April 26, 2009, 03:52:02 PM
Yeah but what indoctrination? give an example or its just simple rehetoric.

I mean, just 'what' could somebody be indoctirnated with to make them a) go along with a plan of putting people in camps/working people to death, b) what kind of propaganda could render a person so servile that they would just go along to the camps rather than fight back?

These fucked up pictures make me think of an evil regime, what do they make you think of?

See what I am trying to get at?

Its bizzare, truly.
Maybe they didn't like having economic sanctions placed on them.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 26, 2009, 03:52:45 PM
Quite similar (though not in the level of horror, make no mistake) to the way some segments of modern American society are teaching their kids to view people they perceive as 'different'.
Oy. Back of the bus, you!    ;D
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Tre on April 26, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
Oy. Back of the bus, you!    ;D

I love me some me! ;)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Samourai Pizzacat on April 26, 2009, 03:54:54 PM
protocolization and fragmenting of procedures of extermination practices is also a contributor. if you're just a tiny part of the 'destruction chain', personal responsibility gets smaller and smaller.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 03:57:31 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Ah cool, I get ya, that makes sense.

But in the example in my opening post, how was it a gradual process?

Surely either a) the propaganda was FUCKING GREAT and thus did its job BLOODY WELL - if so, can you give an example> - or b) the mass population were fucked up evil bastards?
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 26, 2009, 03:59:48 PM
protocolization and fragmenting of procedures of extermination practices is also a contributor. if you're just a tiny part of the 'destruction chain', personal responsibility gets smaller and smaller.
Good point, SP. Easier to rationalize your role. The Nazis basically bureaucratized their exterminations which is both utterly chilling and quotidian. No wonder Arendt subtitled her Eichmann book '...the banality of evil.'
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 04:00:18 PM
Maybe they didn't like having economic sanctions placed on them.

I hear ya, but others might be asking 'who didnt?' so please expand a little for the folks in the cheap seats ;)

I'd still love an example of the propaganda too though, that would obviously be one of the main factors in any mass population control scheme.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: CARTEL on April 26, 2009, 04:04:10 PM
Maybe people are just inherently evil.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Meso_z on April 26, 2009, 04:04:22 PM
Dorian was better imo.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
Good point, SP. Easier to rationalize your role. The Nazis basically bureaucratized their exterminations which is both utterly chilling and quotidian. No wonder Arendt subtitled her Eichmann book '...the banality of evil.'

Totally agree.

Didnt Arendt say something about Eichman enjoying it when the poor fuckers arrived dead on the trains or some crazy shit.

Banality sums it up, it just makes you think 'why? whats the fuckin point'

Id love to ask Rothschild that question, wankers!
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 26, 2009, 04:06:17 PM
Totally agree.

Didnt Arendt say something about Eichman enjoying it when the poor fuckers arrived dead on the trains or some crazy shit.

Banality sums it up, it just makes you think 'why? whats the fuckin point'

Id love to ask Rothschild that question, wankers!
LOL. I knew it.   ;D
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: The True Adonis on April 26, 2009, 04:09:48 PM
Yeah but what indoctrination? give an example or its just simple rehetoric.

I mean, just 'what' could somebody be indoctirnated with to make them a) go along with a plan of putting people in camps/working people to death, b) what kind of propaganda could render a person so servile that they would just go along to the camps rather than fight back?

These fucked up pictures make me think of an evil regime, what do they make you think of?

See what I am trying to get at?

Its bizzare, truly.
Research Philip Zimbardo`s Stanford Prison Study. I think you will find it intriguing as to why good people turn evil, which also happens to be the title of one of his books, "The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_study
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: StickStickly on April 26, 2009, 04:12:11 PM
Research Philip Zimbardo`s Stanford Prison Study. I think you will find it intriguing as to why good people turn evil, which also happens to be the title of one of his books, "The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_study
The beautiful thing about humans is we are all capable of the most atrocious acts. There is no God, there is no jesus. We are all meaningless and you are just an empty shell.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 04:19:01 PM
Research Philip Zimbardo`s Stanford Prison Study. I think you will find it intriguing as to why good people turn evil, which also happens to be the title of one of his books, "The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_study

But can you explain how a person - and infact not just a person, but a mass population - can 'turn' from good into that which is capable of carrying out the horrific actions depicted in the photos found within my opening post?

What kind of propaganda was neccessary there? I mean christ, what level of indoctrination would have been needed? can you point to any?

Honestly, have another look at those poor kids, then explain the propaganda to me.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 26, 2009, 04:27:02 PM
But can you explain how a person - and infact not just a person, but a mass population - can 'turn' from good into that which is capable of the carrying out the horrific actions depicted in the photos found within my opening post?

What kind of propaganda was neccessary there? I mean christ, what level of indoctrination would have been needed? can you point to any?

Honestly, have another look at those poor kids, then explain the propaganda to me.
Here's a poser for ya, Woten. The Israeli's spent many post WWII years trying to 'prove' that there was something biologically endemic to the German that made him/her responsible for their treatment of the Jews. Why was that, and is there a connection with how the Israelis subsequently treat/ed the Arabs, particularly Palestinians, within Israel and the occupied territories? Show your work for full marks.   
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
Here's a poser for ya, Woten. The Israeli's spent many post WWII years trying to 'prove' that there was something biologically endemic to the German that made him/her responsible for their treatment of the Jews. Why was that, and is there a connection with how the Israelis subsequently treat/ed the Arabs, particularly Palestinians, within Israel and the occupied territories? Show your work for full marks.   

yes, thats all very well and good, but what was it that actually occured in that society - in those short couple of years last century - to facilitate the mass indoctrination that lead to these atrocities?

What was the indoctrination in question? what comprised the propoganda of the time? what was being used to hit the mass populous likle a psychological battering ram?
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 26, 2009, 04:53:29 PM
yes, thats all very well and good, but what was it that actually occured in that society - in those short couple of years last century - to facilitate the mass indoctrination that lead to these atrocities?

What was the indoctrination in question? what comprised the propoganda of the time? what was being used to hit the mass populous likle a psychological battering ram?
Not answering the question asked? That's another 'F.' I don't think the parents are going to like this term's report card, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: bodybuilding25 on April 26, 2009, 05:02:19 PM
Not answering the question asked? That's another 'F.' I don't think the parents are going to like this term's report card, I'm afraid.

I asked my question first, and thus far all you have given is vague rhetoric and fluff.

Hosited by your own petard methinks.

But enough of you, and back to the issue at hand.

Would folks be good enough to look at this pics in post one, and give an adjective that describes what pops into your mind when looking at said photos?

I'll start:

Injustice, horror, evil, Rothschild, Bush, slaves, murder, worked to death... that type of thing.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 26, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
I asked my question first, and thus far all you have given is vague rhetoric and fluff.

Hosited by your own petard methinks.

But enough of you, and back to the issue at hand.

Would folks be good enough to look at this pics in post one, and give an adjective that describes what pops into your mind when looking at said photos?

I'll start:

Injustice, horror, evil, Rothschild, Bush, slaves, murder, worked to death... that type of thing.

Cheers.
LOL. A bottomless pit of gimmicks is not going to counter that angst you feel in not having attended uni.  ;)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: lax on April 26, 2009, 05:20:36 PM
Quite similar (though not in the level of horror, make no mistake) to the way some segments of modern American society are teaching their kids to view people they perceive as 'different'.

People who do not love themselves can do unspeakable things to other individuals.  This is why self-love is *not* taught, even in America. 



powerful and true statements

those with poor self esteem...do not think much of themselves, have low self image, etc...well, they can never, ever see goodness in an ything in life, particlualry in loved ones and those they should shower accolades upon, including themselves.

You will not allow others to make you happy, if you, yourself, are not already happy.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Sam on April 26, 2009, 05:21:18 PM
But can you explain how a person - and infact not just a person, but a mass population - can 'turn' from good into that which is capable of carrying out the horrific actions depicted in the photos found within my opening post?

What kind of propaganda was neccessary there? I mean christ, what level of indoctrination would have been needed? can you point to any?

Honestly, have another look at those poor kids, then explain the propaganda to me.


If you can convince the little man they are serving a bigger cause they will do anything for you, without thinking and reflecting on their actions.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: lax on April 26, 2009, 05:31:38 PM
no doubt these were unfathomable atrocities

however

the media tends to make 1000 people seem like millions

Is the media fair? Do you always think your are getting the full, unbiased stroy?

Human nature says no.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 26, 2009, 06:01:01 PM
I reckon the pics posted show the results of a few sadists taking advantage of wartime freedoms and lack of accountability.

Not much different from the My Lai Massacre in Vietnam, late Sixties. The Bosnian conflict in the Nineties. War affords opportunities to wankers.

But it's very easy indeed for pics like those to be used to create a global mindset of pity, then sympathy, then vengeance.

Look at the paradigm that's grown up around the Holohoax. Who here didn't grow up 'knowing' about the hallowed six million?

Generations of wanker teachers teaching bullshit to the teachers of the future.

Then at home, we have the television news and duped parents to pass 'history' on to us, and convince us that we should care.

As for populations, out of sight, out of mind. Anyway, what were ordinary citizens gonna do? Travel internationally and liberate the camps?

And the troops were going with the flow. That's what soldiers do. That's what primary organisations like the military do.


DAMY
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on April 26, 2009, 06:06:15 PM
Buchenwald  :-X

(http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Shrunken.jpg)

(http://www.jtf.org/america/sss.nazi.germany.hitler.youth.buchenwald.shrunken.head.polish_1.jpg)

(http://www.jtf.org/america/sss.nazi.germany.hitler.youth.buchenwald.shrunken.head.polish_3.jpg)

(http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Images/buchenwald6.gif)

(http://www.betterforalltheworld.com/SOV-B-40054a.jpg)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: BIG_STI on April 26, 2009, 06:11:00 PM
Sounds like a MattC gimmick
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 26, 2009, 06:21:54 PM
Those shrunken head pics are revolting.

What did poor Eric Clapton do to deserve that?

Okay, so Derek and the Dominoes were shite, but FFS....


DAMY
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Matt C on April 26, 2009, 08:33:24 PM
Sounds like a MattC gimmick

Very good thread so far!  I want to see what people answer to the questions posed.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: CARTEL on April 26, 2009, 08:34:59 PM

What did poor Eric clapton do to deserve that?


Hilarious!  ;D
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 01:25:16 AM
Indoctrination, propaganda and group mentality are strong forces.

110% NAILED !!
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 01:27:02 AM
the worst things in ww2 happend to the chinease by the japanese.

Incorrect !!
The Russians after the Bolshevik revolution & the end of WWII.

Look it up. ;)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 01:29:14 AM
Frog soup.

This seems kind of deep for the G&O board.

The 'G' stands for 'Gossip'
The 'O' - & hears the rub - stands for 'opinions'  ;)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 01:33:01 AM
LOL. I knew it.   ;D

'Chimp boy' you at it again.

Knew what ??
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 01:36:20 AM
Research Philip Zimbardo`s Stanford Prison Study. I think you will find it intriguing as to why good people turn evil, which also happens to be the title of one of his books, "The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil".


'Noam Chomsky' - "we are all capable of being either an angel, or a gas chamber attendant" - it has to do with the 'Reptilian part of our brain stem, this controls all base instincts, rage, envy, lust, etc.............

PT.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 01:41:51 AM
Not answering the question asked? That's another 'F.' I don't think the parents are going to like this term's report card, I'm afraid.

I will see you on that (alleged) failure to answer, & raise you 4 of your own Ball droppings.
Here is one I made earlier.

Hmm. Chinese early arrival evidence!? Jury's still way out on that one. And one glance at a globe would suggest the Viking's path to North America was no way near the mid-Atlantic. Pretty to easy to map their routes by settlement remains. 
1421 the year the Chinese discovered the world (Gavin Menzies) - Bantum press.

There was no mid point between 'Northern Scandinavia' - North American, no ??
They hyper jumped (using worm holes) from one side straight to the other, yes ??

Know much about the weather in the N.Atlantic do we, yes ??

'Chimp boy' strikes again, desperately trying to prove - dat da kaffier isa na stoopit mon, ya errrrrrrrrrrr me sta ??
Errrhum, yeah !!

Did you answer just this one ?? shall I get some more ??
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Stormspirit on April 27, 2009, 01:54:47 AM
Obviously Getbig likes a joke, its all fun, which is great.

But can I get some serious opinions on the following acts of history, and moreso, can someone explain 'how' did this crap ever happen?

I mean, just 'why' would folks sit back and just go with the flow with this?

Ron - and no offence posting the photos -  I know you are jewish, but would you care to weigh in and give us your opinion here?

The images are abit graphic, shocking infact, some shit just leaves ya fucked off, especially when - as these pictures show - it graphically hits the kids:

no offense to jews, but white christians, 10s of millions slaughtered and starved to death/worked to death suffered much more greatly at the hands of the bolsheviks, who during the first years of communism, were mainly Jewish.  Let's also not forget the greatest mass murderer in history, lazar kaganovich, was jewish.  this says nothing about the jewish everyday people of course.  I think a better question would be, why is there so much focus on what happened to the jews, why do we hear about it constantly, in the movies the news, everywhere, all the time.  yet....we very rarely if ever hear about the holomodor and other crimes against humanity that trump the holocaust...are jews lives more valuable?  that is my question, it sure is the message being sent.  i am against any crimes against humanity.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 02:19:55 AM
Perhaps our gracious host 'RON' would find this thread a little easier to digest if a distinction were made ??
Not all jews are responsible, just as all Caucasians are not responsible for the deaths during the crusades.

How is that ??
We are talking the Big 'Z' here, now if you are a card carrying 'Zionist' then you are a C@NT, if you are just born to a 'Jewish mother' - you are as innocent as I.

PT - SAIDA.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Stormspirit on April 27, 2009, 02:26:02 AM
Perhaps our gracious host 'RON' would find this thread a little easier to digest if a distinction were made ??
Not all jews are responsible, just as all Caucasians are not responsible for the deaths during the crusades.

How is that ??
We are talking the Big 'Z' here, now if you are a card carrying 'Zionist' then you are a C@NT, if you are just born to a 'Jewish mother' - you are as innocent as I.

PT - SAIDA.
agree
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 03:11:51 AM
agree

Had to be said at some point, I am sick of being accused of being one & the same as 'Woten' - FFS !!
I don't even tick all the boxes for being racist.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 27, 2009, 03:22:21 AM
Had to be said at some point, I am sick of being accused of being one & the same as 'Woten' - FFS !!
I don't even tick all the boxes for being racist.
LOL. Your not a very good liar, either. You know it's still not too late to go back to school. 'Get that validation you so crave.  ;) 
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Mars on April 27, 2009, 03:53:25 AM
no offense to jews, but white christians, 10s of millions slaughtered and starved to death/worked to death suffered much more greatly at the hands of the bolsheviks, who during the first years of communism, were mainly Jewish.  Let's also not forget the greatest mass murderer in history, lazar kaganovich, was jewish.  this says nothing about the jewish everyday people of course.  I think a better question would be, why is there so much focus on what happened to the jews, why do we hear about it constantly, in the movies the news, everywhere, all the time.  yet....we very rarely if ever hear about the holomodor and other crimes against humanity that trump the holocaust...are jews lives more valuable?  that is my question, it sure is the message being sent.  i am against any crimes against humanity.

because theres were the money is. media and entertainment industry runned by jewish people and very powerfull lobby in USA (pushes senator elections of pro israel jews and christians etc) Israel put a lot of money in public relations and marketing, everything critical of Israel has alarmbells going off in these offices.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: RZA on April 27, 2009, 04:34:40 AM
Because men are men. A pathetic creature that even civilization hasn't cured from his pathological ways and needs. Don't think it didn't happen elsewhere under various other forms, each one different, each one disgusting. Go figue how what happened in Cambodia during 75-79 was made possible also? If you ever find an strictly "rational" explanation, let me know also.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 27, 2009, 05:36:53 AM
PT, I believe Doctor Chimps highlighted the word wankers, and said I knew it!, because wanker/s was a word commonly used by the dear departed VL. Perhaps Chimps is hunting for so-called gimmicks again.

As for the opening-post point about hitting kids hard, I'm not so sure. Extreme emaciation such as seen in those pics, often makes grown men appear youthful, and youths appear childlike.


DAMY
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 05:45:45 AM
LOL. Your not a very good liar, either. You know it's still not too late to go back to school. 'Get that validation you so crave.  ;) 

yeah, & you ain;t a very good 'Chimp' but if I put enough Cigars out on your back, I recon i could turn you round, in say, 14 days !!  ;)
As for what I crave, you lost me.

A house on the beach in Bali - with a harem of 15 year old girls  (maybe 10 would do).
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: The Ugly on April 27, 2009, 05:49:13 AM
Quite similar (though not in the level of horror, make no mistake) to the way some segments of modern American society are teaching their kids to view people they perceive as 'different'.

Disagree, Tre. Fringe hate groups marginalize themselves in a modern democracy. Never happen here.

Why/How Holocaust? is kinda silly when you consider the Middle East today. If not for nukes (and Western support - absolutely!), Israeli Jews would already be extinct. No-brainer.  
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 05:54:14 AM
because theres were the money is. media and entertainment industry runned by jewish people and very powerfull lobby in USA (pushes senator elections of pro israel jews and christians etc) Israel put a lot of money in public relations and marketing, everything critical of Israel has alarmbells going off in these offices.

Yes 'AIPAC' & the 'ADL' do a lot of work to keep perpetuating the lies, & keep the truth buried.
They will piss it all up the wall though, they always do, 300 odd years of European history have shown us that.

They can't help it, it's almost like it's hard wired into their 'DNA' - they get blatant & then BOOM

How is this for blatant................. ....

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this & will do that........I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, & the Americans know it."  - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001 (public record).

Now we have 'Bibi Netanyahu' about to take the reigns, as Israeli prime minister.
Get ready for a real shit storm, now they have cleaned the 'FED' out - watch for a tactical with-drawl very soon, back to Israel.

Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 06:08:02 AM
what happened in Cambodia during 75-79 was made possible also? If you ever find an strictly "rational" explanation, let me know also.

Two words = 'Henry Kissinger'
There you go, not that difficult when you know your History.

Here is an old documentary from the 'UK' by a - REAL - JOURNALIST - 'John Pilger' - you want to know ?? watch.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9159164859238659487&ei=TK31SZjXCJLN-QaYmO21Cg&q=john+pilger+cambodia

PT - SAIDA.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Fatpanda on April 27, 2009, 06:09:19 AM
guy this bodybuilder25 is veteran_shirtlifters gimmick.

it was only a matter of time after he was banned.

same old bigoted/racist posts looking for ass slapping comradere by his 2 other racist bigot pals pillowbiter and fany.

not a single post about bodybuilding between them

::) utterly pathetic
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: RZA on April 27, 2009, 06:19:07 AM
Two words = 'Henry Kissinger'
There you go, not that difficult when you know your History.

Here is an old documentary from the 'UK' by a - REAL - JOURNALIST - 'John Pilger' - you want to know ?? watch.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9159164859238659487&ei=TK31SZjXCJLN-QaYmO21Cg&q=john+pilger+cambodia

PT - SAIDA.

Sure, Kissinger has a lot (and I mean a lot) of blood on his hands. But at the same time, the Khmer Rouge were also the result of an ideology which made everything acceptable as long as it was for the sake of it. Including killing almost one third of the population in one way or another.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 27, 2009, 06:23:34 AM
Panda, you have a burfday soon? Ask for some capital letters.

*fnurfle*

And did you mean 'back-slapping camaraderie'?

Thought so.

Fatty.

Look above, this subforum bears the legend Gossip and Opinion.


DAMY
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Fatpanda on April 27, 2009, 06:25:39 AM
Panda, you have a burfday soon? Ask for some capital letters.

*fnurfle*

And di you mean 'back-slapping camaraderie'?

TRhought so.

Fatty.

Look above, this subforum bears the legend Gossip and Opinion.


DAMY

you do know you shouldn't start a sentence with the word And  ::)

fany baws
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 06:27:29 AM
Sure, Kissinger has a lot (and I mean a lot) of blood on his hands. But at the same time, the Khmer Rouge were also the result of an ideology which made everything acceptable as long as it was for the sake of it. Including killing almost one third of the population in one way or another.

Yes, & who funded/armed them ??
The 'Khmer Rouge' that is, hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm ??

Come on - out with it !!
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 06:30:10 AM
Panda, you have a burfday soon? Ask for some capital letters.

*fnurfle*

And did you mean 'back-slapping camaraderie'?

Thought so.

Fatty.

Look above, this subforum bears the legend Gossip and Opinion.


DAMY

I have sent the Obese one to the big 'C' - so tell him to read a book - AND - see how many times the word - AND - is used to start a new paragraph/sentence.

You know what they say about exito-toxins ?? 'Aspartame' 'MSG' etc......??

No ?? look at the way he behaves writes  ;)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 27, 2009, 06:34:54 AM
Hahhahahahah! Don't start a sentence with and!

Epic regurgitating bullshit grammar 'rules' spouted by his now-seventy-year-old tight-ass teacher back in primary school!

Show some imagination, Panda!

What ya gonna tell me next? No comma before 'and'?

Can't I begin a sentence with 'But' either?

Panda, language is fluid. I write the way I do for impact, clearly it works.


DAMY
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: ironneck on April 27, 2009, 06:37:05 AM
i think people interpretate too much in this shit
this whole jews rule the media thing...is there any source?
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: kyomu on April 27, 2009, 06:38:44 AM
Just the movement.
Good or bad things are the ilusion created by our mind.

Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Fatpanda on April 27, 2009, 06:41:58 AM
Hahhahahahah! Don'y start a sentence with and!

Epic regurgitating bullshit grammar 'rules' spouted by his now-seventy-year-old tight-ass teacher back in primary school!

Show some imagination, Panda!

What ya gonna tell me next? No comma before 'and'?

Can't I begin a sentence with 'But' either?

Panda, language is fluid. I write the way I do for impact, clearly it works.


DAMY


hahahaha owned at your own game

oh and by the way..................... ........................ ....................Melt down !!!

(http://notexactlyrocketscience.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/nuclear_fireball.jpg)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 27, 2009, 06:42:30 AM
Hey Panda! A story...


An out-of-towner shows up in Hicksville on business, full of contempt for the yokels.

He steps into a bar for lunch.

A local sidles up to him, says: Hey there, Stranger! Where ya from?

Stranger smirks and says: Sir, I come from a place where we do NOT finish our sentences with prepositions...

Yokel thinks for a moment, then replies: Okay... Where ya from... Asshole!?


DAMY
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Fatpanda on April 27, 2009, 06:43:18 AM
Hey Panda!


An out-of-towner shows up in Hicksville on business, full of contempt for the yokels.

He steps into a bar for lunch.

A local sidles up to him, says: Hey there, Stranger! Where ya from?

Stranger smirks and says: Sir, I come from a place where we do NOT finish our sentences with prepositions...

Yokel thinks for a moment, then replies: Okay... Where ya from... Asshole!?


DAMY


hilarious  ::)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: chainsaw on April 27, 2009, 06:45:23 AM
I'll tell ya why,
someone like Chainsaw steps in in the begining
and is thrown in a political prisoner camp.
It takes international attention, and action.
look at darfur.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 06:49:27 AM
i think people interpretate too much in this shit
this whole jews rule the media thing...is there any source?

Where the fuck have you been the last 60 years mate ??
Ask 'Ron' if it is, OK, for us to out-line the 'Zionist agenda' + show you the foot-prints in the snow ??
Then we will see some shit. ;D

But this is Ron's board & he must give the, OK, first.
If he is a man of conviction, I see no reason why he would object.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 27, 2009, 06:51:01 AM
hilarious  ::)


Ya think? Cheers!

You wanna outdo me in the funny stakes, why not post your naked reflection?

Michelin Man!


DAMY
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 06:51:34 AM
hilarious  ::)

See what I  mean 'DAMY' - exito-toxins  ;)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: kyomu on April 27, 2009, 06:52:53 AM
Where the fuck have you been the last 60 years mate ??
Ask 'Ron' if it is, OK, for us to out-line the 'Zionist agenda' + show you the foot-prints in the snow ??
Then we will see some shit. ;D

But this is Ron's board & he must give the, OK, first.
If he is a man of conviction, I see no reason why he would object.
The absolute truth...

If those jews dont do these current things, some another people show up and do the same thing.

There is no such a thing like democracy in the human mind and the rule of nature.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: The Ugly on April 27, 2009, 06:56:11 AM
The absolute truth...

If those jews dont do these current things, some another people show up and do the same thing.

There is no such a thing like democracy in the human mind and the rule of nature.

You talk in riddles.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: dr.chimps on April 27, 2009, 06:58:23 AM
yeah, & you ain;t a very good 'Chimp' but if I put enough Cigars out on your back, I recon i could turn you round, in say, 14 days !!  ;)
As for what I crave, you lost me.

A house on the beach in Bali - with a harem of 15 year old girls  (maybe 10 would do).
WTF? Care to post that in English?

/trying way too hard, now.  :)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 08:20:58 AM
WTF? Care to post that in English?

/trying way too hard, now.  :)

Just tryin arrrt ma noo Ghetto styley on yo ass.
Guess not, huh ??
OK.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 08:27:38 AM
You talk in riddles.

Me thinks 'English' may not be his first language.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 27, 2009, 11:55:29 AM
Look at the last vid I posted (John Pilger)

You will notice that 'Nixon' (when drunk) phoned 'Kissinger' one night, & threatened him about the plans for 'Cambodia' "if this doesn't work Henry, it's gona be your ass" !!
Shortly there after, Nixon was taken out by the 'Watergate' debacle, & Kissinger got the 'Nobel peace prize' !!
I know it's a clique, but - "you couldn't make this shit up"

& then we have the back slapping, America is great' crew on here, pissing & moaning about anything anti-Yanky - doing nothing but proving how ignorant they are to world events of the last 60 odd years.
HO-HUM............................. ::)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Matt C on April 27, 2009, 12:33:07 PM
Talk more about these atrocities.  What would make people act like this and why wouldn`t anyone object?

Discuss please.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 27, 2009, 01:24:18 PM
Fear.

Perhaps they (civilians or soldiers) saw what was going on, feared that if they refused to comply, they would themselves be set upon and persecuted.

Them or me. They're for the high hump anyway...

Self-preservation and survival is THE basic human instinct. It is at the root of all psychology.


DAMY
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: JBGRAY on April 27, 2009, 01:31:10 PM
Fear, and one group's existence threatened by another group, perceived or otherwise.  Fear is the great motivator of a great many dastardly events.  A segment of the German population felt threatened by Jews and other groups and were able to over the years spread that fear to the general populace.  Goebbels & Company didn't just decide to one day to begin slaughtering mass amounts of people.  It began with remarks such as "Jews routinely make filthy artwork" whispered throughout the media.  It progressed to the courts where laws were set up to make specific laws targeting differing groups.  As this ball rolled along over the years, large segments of the population did indeed mistrust and fear the Jews and other groups that differed from themselves.  It's a lot more "comfortable" to slaughter an enemy with the thought that if one didn't do so, you'd be on the receiving end.  As to the rank and file who performed the killings, more than a few felt sickened by what they did....................b ut that fear of treason and being punished or shot by their own kind often overrode those feelings.  Even though we are on the other side of the looking glass, it is very difficult to not think of one's own life and their family over potential violence meted out to a stranger.

So, recap:

Fear - Fear of the defined enemy and if left unchecked, would face destruction and suffering from that enemy(whether by historical fact, past experiences, or just good ole' propaganda)

Aside from the serial killer or complete maniac, no nations or individuals are evil for the pure sake of being evil.  They believe that they are in the right, and those that oppose them are the ones that are evil.  However, evil is often easily enough defined and must be identified, rooted out, and destroyed............... even if the ones that are evil just think its a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Stormspirit on April 28, 2009, 11:44:23 PM
Yes 'AIPAC' & the 'ADL' do a lot of work to keep perpetuating the lies, & keep the truth buried.
They will piss it all up the wall though, they always do, 300 odd years of European history have shown us that.

They can't help it, it's almost like it's hard wired into their 'DNA' - they get blatant & then BOOM

How is this for blatant................. ....

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this & will do that........I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, & the Americans know it."  - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001 (public record).

Now we have 'Bibi Netanyahu' about to take the reigns, as Israeli prime minister.
Get ready for a real shit storm, now they have cleaned the 'FED' out - watch for a tactical with-drawl very soon, back to Israel.


im pretty sure that quote was fabricated
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Fatpanda on April 29, 2009, 02:09:05 AM
im pretty sure that quote was fabricated

most of the lies pillow biter posts are fabricated.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 29, 2009, 02:16:29 AM
im pretty sure that quote was fabricated

So, is that confident enough to say for sure, at the risk of looking a total wanker (& get sent to the club where 'FP' permanently resides).

Or would you like to think it over some first ??

That quote is public record remember (no secret meetings were involved) ;)

Waiting.....Waiting..... Waiting.....Waiting..... !!
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Fatpanda on April 29, 2009, 02:20:54 AM
So, is that confident enough to say for sure, at the risk of looking a total wanker (& get sent to the club where 'FP' permanently resides).

Or would you like to think it over some first ??

That quote is public record remember (no secrtet meetings were involved) ;)

Waiting.....Waiting..... Waiting.....Waiting..... !!

where is it on public record ? can you post the link or are you lying again................... ........................ ........................ ..........
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 29, 2009, 02:25:09 AM
where is it on public record ? can you post the link or are you lying again................... ........................ ........................ ..........

Did I talk directly to you ?? - NO -  so do not address me.
Wait for 'SS' to ask shall I. :'( :'( :'(

most of the lies pillow biter posts are fabricated.

As opposed to lies that are not fabricated truths.
And just to show you how 'emotionally pre-teen' I can be..............

Break-fast of champions !!

Kep it up, you will be winning the 'NABA' & then the - Briatian - in NO TIME !!
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Fatpanda on April 29, 2009, 02:52:38 AM
Did I talk directly to you ?? - NO -  so do not address me.
Wait for 'SS' to ask shall I. :'( :'( :'(

As opposed to lies that are not fabricated truths.
And just to show you how 'emotionally pre-teen' I can be..............

Break-fast of champions !!

Kep it up, you will be winning the 'NABA' & then the - Briatian - in NO TIME !!

hahahahahahaha thats a big NO on the proof then hahahahahahahaha

pillowned once again hahahaha

how many times is that ?
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 29, 2009, 02:59:17 AM
hahahahahahaha thats a big NO on the proof then hahahahahahahaha

pillowned once again hahahaha

how many times is that ?

MOTHER OF ALL BOOMS

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/images/20030729-2_israel-072903-d-pm-515h.jpg

“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” — Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1] "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio

The CIA has been making an inventory of its torture tape library. It is supposed to hand over an inventory of the library for the judge to review next Thursday, March 26, including:

Here's the letter DOJ gave Judge Hellerstein explaining the CIA's reasons why ACLU can't have the torture library.
"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle"

On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us. "Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

http://christianparty.net/sharon.htm

If you would like a copy of the original Hebrew tape recorded sessions, Amazon, mate
http://www.amazon.com/review/RN5SD9UOKKW51

HOW DOES YOUR ASS FEEL PANDY BEAR ?? a little sore is it, never mind, getting raped in public is never nice.
BTW - I am saving these to a draft in my G-mail, so all I have to do is cut & paste all your Ball droppings.

Just think about another delusional claim to have owned some-one again, go on.
You are like a self appointed umpire of your self & your ownings.

Levels that plummet further into the depths of 'spacicity' I have yet to see on 'GetBig' !!  ::) ::) :'( :'(

Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Fatpanda on April 29, 2009, 03:16:29 AM
MOTHER OF ALL BOOMS

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/images/20030729-2_israel-072903-d-pm-515h.jpg

“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” — Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1] "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio

The CIA has been making an inventory of its torture tape library. It is supposed to hand over an inventory of the library for the judge to review next Thursday, March 26, including:

Here's the letter DOJ gave Judge Hellerstein explaining the CIA's reasons why ACLU can't have the torture library.
"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle"

On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us. "Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

http://christianparty.net/sharon.htm

If you would like a copy of the original Hebrew tape recorded sessions, Amazon, mate
http://www.amazon.com/review/RN5SD9UOKKW51

HOW DOES YOUR ASS FEEL PANDY BEAR ?? a little sore is it, never mind, getting raped in public is never nice.
BTW - I am saving these to a draft in my G-mail, so all I have to do is cut & paste all your Ball droppings.

Just think about another delusional claim to have owned some-one again, go on.
You are like a self appointed umpire of your self & your ownings.

Levels that plummet further into the depths of 'spacicity' I have yet to see on 'GetBig' !!  ::) ::) :'( :'(



congratulations - you have finally posted a valid source for one of your claims. That was all i wanted.

Quote
BTW - I am saving these to a draft in my G-mail, so all I have to do is cut & paste all your Ball droppings.

HAHAHAHAHAHA mother of self ownings right there - i own your mind.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 29, 2009, 03:24:53 AM
congratulations - you have finally posted a valid source for one of your claims. That was all i wanted.

Care to quote some more of my fabrications that are in need of validation, or does your ass need a rest ??


i own your mind.

Pulling people on using - AND - to a start a sentence, but going on to use 'i' to refer to ones self ?? ???
The only thing you are in possession of right now, is in the bottom drawer of your desk (the same desk that is in the vast expanse, of 3000 SQ ft, that is split into, office spaces, by those free standing dividers, as we have pointed out in a previous thread).
AND - her eis what you are thinking of every 10 seconds (NO not tit's) but this ----------
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 29, 2009, 03:28:09 AM
Now unless an opportunity to rape you in public like the little 'Punk Bitch' that you are, raises it's head, oh Obese one.
You are now off, from me, to the big 'C' - do not address me again.

Unless it is to quote me fabricating intel.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Fatpanda on April 29, 2009, 04:03:44 AM
 ??? in all seriousness i could not understand a word of that rambling shite.
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 29, 2009, 08:05:49 AM
PT, you know where to find that quote from an Israeli Prime-Ministerial speech from 1966?

The one where he sets out the stall about Jewish omnipotence, and the no-better-then-cattle reference to the world's gentiles?


DAMY
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: pillowtalk on April 29, 2009, 08:33:33 AM
PT, you know where to find that quote from an Israeli Prime-Ministerial speech from 1966?

The one where he sets out the stall about Jewish omnipotence, and the no-better-then-cattle reference to the world's gentiles?


DAMY

Which would you have a preference for.
The above, or the quote from the 'Talmud' that tells - EVERY - JOO - on the planet who reads the Holy book, "sex with the 'Goyim' is tantamount to bestiality", same shit really.
But what is your ideal ??
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: DAMY on April 29, 2009, 09:17:09 AM
Either/or, both, it's all good.


DAMY  :)
Title: Re: Just thinking over some history.
Post by: Stormspirit on April 29, 2009, 11:12:02 AM
So, is that confident enough to say for sure, at the risk of looking a total wanker (& get sent to the club where 'FP' permanently resides).

Or would you like to think it over some first ??

That quote is public record remember (no secret meetings were involved) ;)

Waiting.....Waiting..... Waiting.....Waiting..... !!
I am not pro zionist but you/we need to be careful  which quotes we use, because if they are false it makes 'us' look seriously ignorant.  Alot of fake quotes out there, like the one of benjamin franklin saying jews will take over america and change our country within 200 years.

Quote
Take for example, the following quote (found on anti-Israel Web sites) alleged to have been said by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to the Israeli parliament in October 2001 and reported on Kol Yisrael radio:

    Don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.

The statement also appears as "I control America."

As it turns out, it is a hoax. Sharon never made either statement. Nor did Kol Yisrael ever report that he did.

Yet syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer wrote in her May 10, 2002 opinion column, which appeared in the Chicago Tribune, San Diego Tribune, and other newspapers:

    In fact, it [American support for Israel’‘s actions] led Prime Minister Sharon to tell his Cabinet recently, "I control America."

Where did this quote originate and how did it enter the mainstream media?

CAMERA’s investigation found that it started with an October 3, 2001 press release from the pro-Hamas group, IAP – the Islamic Association for Palestine, which attributed the quote to a report on “the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col [sic] Yisrael.”

In fact, Kol Yisrael political correspondent Yoni Ben-Menachem, who reports on Cabinet meetings, confirmed to CAMERA that he never made such a broadcast and that Sharon never made such a statement. Nor was it reported by any other news service.

When confronted, Geyer told one editor that she relied on two anonymous Israeli sources for the quotation. She told a second editor the quote came from an alleged Ha’aretz article which she never produced and could not be found. A subsequent editor’s note by Geyer’s United Press Syndicate claimed the quote was widely reported in the Palestinian press (i.e. the IAP, which cited the bogus Kol Yisrael source) but could not be confirmed by independent sources.

Indeed for many, the Internet has completely replaced libraries, reference books, and original research as a source of information. This reliance on unregulated, unaccountable sources has boosted the proliferation of misinformation and bogus quotes. And when they are repeated by journalists, albeit those with radical anti-Israel agendas, few are willing to search deeper.

The CAMERA staff has researched many of the alleged quotes. Part I of our series on misquotes examines quotes that fall into three categories: 1) fabricated; 2) misattributed and 3) taken out of context.

FABRICATED