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what do you think?
don't say annihilating Jews.
Was the purpose of WWII to eliminate nation states?
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Depends on what side you were on.
Really if you think about it, it had little purpose. If you think about it, it did provide opportunities for people and nations based on it's outcome. But that's just the nature of events.
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Was the purpose of WWII to eliminate nation states?
pretty much. Same as WWI. There was to be a new order after WWI, didn't quite work out that way. Same with WWII, didn't work out that way. I first read about WWI in a small publication from the late 1800's, not kidding. They had a grand vision for what would come after.
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The PWTB in ally nations wanted to take out national socialist Germany whatever the cost.
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To get the world out of the great depression. :)
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WW2 did catalyze technological progress a lot.
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It's Bush's fault.
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It's Bush's fault.
Didn't Bush's grandpa support the Nazis?
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WW2 did catalyze technological progress a lot.
odd, I was just thinking about that about an hour ago.
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Didn't Bush's grandpa support the Nazis?
What a silly question!
;D
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Didn't Bush's grandpa support the Nazis?
Yes.
Prosecuted under US law (trading with the enemy act).
Look up (Google) Prescott Bush - I.G.Farben (German pharmaceutical giant)
After the seizures in late 1942 of five US enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist 'Fritz Thyssen', Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President 'George W. Bush', failed to divest himself of more than a dozen enemy national relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered US government (FOI) documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush & his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush's partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman & his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
Very telling, is it not ??
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Yes.
Prosecuted under US law (trading with the enemy act).
Look up (Google) Prescott Bush - I.G.Farben (German pharmaceutical giant)
After the seizures in late 1942 of five US enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist 'Fritz Thyssen', Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President 'George W. Bush', failed to divest himself of more than a dozen enemy national relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered US government (FOI) documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush & his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush's partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman & his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
Very telling, is it not ??
been posted several times.
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To get the world out of the great depression. :)
loco speaking the truth. well done.
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loco speaking the truth. well done.
you really think the actual war was started to get us out of the depression?
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you really think the actual war was started to get us out of the depression?
Military-Industrial complex = greatest technological catalyst of the 20th century.
Talk to AM General / Ratheon / GD / Northrop / NASA / NSA / JPL people. They all agree.
End of the story.
Next complex is Bioinformatics-industrial. Don't miss the wave.
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Military-Industrial complex = greatest technological catalyst of the 20th century.
Talk to AM General / Ratheon / GD / Northrop / NASA / NSA / JPL people. They all agree.
End of the story.
Next complex is Bioinformatics-industrial. Don't miss the wave.
Most of which was born from WWII and after. The conflict was well on by the time we got into it. Are you saying we manipulated it years before for these purposes? Got Hitler started to get us out of the great depression? Oh, there are master manipulators, I just don't think you've put the puzzle pieces together quite right.
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been posted several times.
My bad = didn't know.
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My bad = didn't know.
well it hasn't been posted recently so maybe somebody didn't know :D go for it...
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Aside from all that...
Does anybody here think maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils? Hitler killed 6 million jews. Stalin killed an estimated 26 million of all kinds!
Would Nazi rule really be worse than communism?
I would rather live under Fascism than Communism.
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Didn't Bush's grandpa support the Nazis?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x53un3_prescott-bush-and-hitler_news
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Aside from all that...
Does anybody here think maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils? Hitler killed 6 million jews. Stalin killed an estimated 26 million of all kinds!
Would Nazi rule really be worse than communism?
I would rather live under Fascism than Communism.
I'm fvckin speechless dude.
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Aside from all that...
Does anybody here think maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils? Hitler killed 6 million jews. Stalin killed an estimated 26 million of all kinds!
Would Nazi rule really be worse than communism?
I would rather live under Fascism than Communism.
I'm fvckin speechless dude.
That entire thing is disturbing.
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I'm fvckin speechless dude.
Gun pimping, now!
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Nobody wants to answer the question, eh?
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Aside from all that...
Does anybody here think maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils? Hitler killed 6 million jews. Stalin killed an estimated 26 million of all kinds!
Who said Hitler killed 6 large ??
Stalin was a JOO - as was over 90% of the higher echelons (Z-JOO's) running/financing the 'Bolshevik revolution' (fact) setting up Communism, look it up.
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Aside from all that...
Does anybody here think maybe the Nazis were the lesser of two evils? Hitler killed 6 million jews. Stalin killed an estimated 26 million of all kinds!
Would Nazi rule really be worse than communism?
I would rather live under Fascism than Communism.
Lets take a look:
Combined military and civilian deaths from WW2:
Russia 29 million
China 21 million
Poland 6 million
Germany 5 million
source: "Dirty little secrets of WW2" James Dunnigan
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Lets take a look:
Combined military and civilian deaths from WW2:
Russia 29 million
China 21 million
Poland 6 million
Germany 5 million
source: "Dirty little secrets of WW2" James Dunnigan
What do feel that those stats tell us 'OZY baby' - the 6 mill in Poland looks a bit spurious 'IMO'
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Lets take a look:
Combined military and civilian deaths from WW2:
Russia 29 million
China 21 million
Poland 6 million
Germany 5 million
source: "Dirty little secrets of WW2" James Dunnigan
That must be a college textbook. Cheap copies on Amazon are like 30 bucks +...
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What do feel that those stats tell us 'OZY baby' - the 6 mill in Poland looks a bit spurious 'IMO'
I think it's mostly civilian... Remember, when the Germans invaded Poland they slaughtered civilians and military personnel at will.
Then, when the Soviets came through, they also killed civilians but portrayed themselves as the "freedom fighters", then when the Germans needed to roll through to Moscow, they had to run right through Poland.
Poland was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Mods - Can the Pillow talk anti-Jew stuff be deleted? It has nothing to do with the topic or anything other than a personal (and highly offensive) view point.
It should not be tolerated. Matt C has stated he was told by Ron it was okay to spill his new age nazi-like propaganda on the political board. Please put a stop to this. It is unnecessary and only detracts from actual political arguments.
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That must be a college textbook. Cheap copies on Amazon are like 30 bucks +...
Actually $15 at Barnes about 10 years ago.
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What do feel that those stats tell us 'OZY baby' - the 6 mill in Poland looks a bit spurious 'IMO'
Do some research and check it out. Opinions are a dime a dozen. ;)
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I think it's mostly civilian... Remember, when the Germans invaded Poland they slaughtered civilians and military personnel at will.
Then, when the Soviets came through, they also killed civilians but portrayed themselves as the "freedom fighters", then when the Germans needed to roll through to Moscow, they had to run right through Poland.
Poland was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Poland:
5.6 million civilians
597K Military.
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Mods - Can the Pillow talk anti-Jew stuff be deleted? It has nothing to do with the topic or anything other than a personal (and highly offensive) view point.
It should not be tolerated. Matt C has stated he was told by Ron it was okay to spill his new age nazi-like propaganda on the political board. Please put a stop to this. It is unnecessary and only detracts from actual political arguments.
Mods - Can we ban kcballer too? He bitches and whines about the same conversation that happened weeks ago, and throws out personal insults and never once refutes or counters the argument of the day.
He is acting like a liberal. :o
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Mods - Can we ban kcballer too? He bitches and whines about the same conversation that happened weeks ago, and throws out personal insults and never once refutes or counters the argument of the day.
He is acting like a liberal. :o
This is the first time I've seen him here. As for PT. He mostly Ad-hom's. I've haven't been notified of anything direct.
I'm going to ban myself in about 20 minutes for 7 hours. :D
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To show off our 2 kids Little Boy and Fat Man!!
and yes, I approved.
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OMG...talk about CT!!!
People here think that WW2 was orchestrated to create NASA LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Did you all forget about some dude named Hitler that attacked every country he could?
Or that tiny incident called Pearl Harbor?
Fuck this...some of you people are fucking retards. :o
BTW, it's common knowledge that war accelerates technology due to necessity,less bureaucracy,bigger budgets and more testing grounds....fucking CT....we should start banning people here for such idiotic remarks.
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Didn't Bush's grandpa support the Nazis?
That's the rumor.
They're all dirty.... Republican... Democrat... whatever.
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WW2 was started because Hitler was running out of money and need to instigate a war before he went broke.
He could of attacked other nations than Poland which would not have triggered the war.
Also the interment and seizure of Jewish, homosexual and other minority property was one of the main ways Hitler used to fund the war.
The point of the war was a new European order. Just like World War 1.
Replacing Britain and France with Germany and Japan running independent spheres.
That's common knowledge.
It didn't quite work out that way.
Both America and Russia became super powers thanks to the war.
Britain, France, Germany and Japan were all broke.
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Mods - Can the Pillow talk anti-Jew stuff be deleted? It has nothing to do with the topic or anything other than a personal (and highly offensive) view point.
It should not be tolerated. Matt C has stated he was told by Ron it was okay to spill his new age nazi-like propaganda on the political board. Please put a stop to this. It is unnecessary and only detracts from actual political arguments.
Why does this, mewling little Kitten, with a minuscule, post count get my post on the rise of 'National socialism' taken off the thread ??
IT was 'ON-T' - factual, & had every-thing to do with the rise of WWII & the final solution !!
This knee jerk reaction of 'antisemitism' is getting boring, they have been using it for over 60 years to hide their 'diddly dealings' !!
If I just said all JOO's are shit bags (for no reason) that is antisemitism' - but I gave a factual account of how the feeling against JOO's got to the level it did.
Oh we are on a slippery slope here - oh yes indeed !!
Let us not forget (from my my recent posts) that 'Rahm' wants to turn the US in-to Germany/Canada & many others, where it is a crime to say such things !! facts or not = jail time !!
That is when we are truly fucked.
So keep on deleting the posts - & don't forget to tip the hat to your 'pay-masters' when you are done removing the - facts - from the historical record !!
Makes me quite ill 'TBH' :-X :-X :-X
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Are these historical facts, backed up by the news paper articles of the day & Himmler's (authenticated diaries) also anti-semitic ??
Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.”In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”
Wow !! then out of the 'Nuremberg trials' comes the 'HOLOCAUST' - how very convenient.
Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
Zionism was supported by the 'German SS' & Gestapo. Hitler (avatar of LORD VISHNU)himself personally supported Zionism.
During the 1930’s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized “Kibbutz” training camps over which flew the 'Blue & White banner' which would one day be adopted as the national flag of “Israel”.
The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 & abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler’s Germany & international (JOO's) Zionism. Through this agreement, 'Hitler’s Third Reich' did more than any other government during the 1930’s to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals (why ?? because he wanted them out of his countries economy).
Hitler & the Zionists had a common goal: to create a world Jewish Ghetto as a solution to the Jewish Question.
The Zionist so-called “World Jewish Congress” declared war on the country of Germany,knowing that it would affect their Jewish brothers residing in that country who would be left (as collateral damage for the cause) without protection. When others tried to help them escape to other countries, the Zionist movement took actions which caused those countries to lock their doors to Jewish immigration (read more in the books, “Perfidy” & “Min Hametzer”).
As a result of the Zionist influence five ships of Jewish refugees from Germany arriving in the United States were turned back to the labor camps.
The fundamental aim of the - Zionist movement - has been not to save Jewish lives but to create a “Jewish state” in Palestine !!
On December 7, 1938, Ben Gurion, the first head of the Zionist ‘state of Israel’ declared “If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, & only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel.” (speaks volumes, huh ??)
On August 31, 1949, Ben Gurion stated: “Although we have realized our dream of creating a Jewish State, we are only at the beginning. There are still only 900,000 Jews in Israel, whereas the majority of the Jewish people still remains abroad. Our future task is to bring all the Jews to Israel.”
Of the two & a half Million JOO's seeking refuge from the Nazis between 1935 and 1943, less than 9% went to settle in Palestine. The vast majority, 75%, went to the Soviet Union (why ??), because the Soviet oligarchy were JOO's !!
In the mid-70’s, more people emigrated out of ‘Israel’ than came in. The only surges of immigration to the Zionist state have occurred during anti-Semitic threats & persecution in foreign countries.
It follows that for the Zionist state to achieve its goal of a 'Jewish world ghetto' anti-Semitism must be promoted & encouraged, as we have seen, by acts of violence if necessary.
“To attain its practical objectives, Zionism hopes it will be able to collaborate with a government that is fundamentally hostile to the Jews”.
The use of anti-Semitism as a tool to coerce immigration to the Zionist state continues to the present day.
The JOO's on occupied land, however, have to build the settlements on hills (medieval forts) so as to give the best all round 'line of sight' for target acquisition.
So now they live in a self imposed war zone - with 'compulsory military service' for both male & female.
Yeah, looks like fun from here also !! (muffled laughter)
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PT -- nós somos todos os unbelievers.
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Pillowbiter, stop melting down on an hourly basis, you waste Ron bandwidth for nothing, no one reads your long and boring posts.
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Pillowbiter, stop melting down on an hourly basis, you waste Ron bandwidth for nothing, no one reads your long and boring posts.
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Pillowbiter, stop melting down on an hourly basis, you waste Ron bandwidth for nothing, no one reads your long and boring posts.
When I am up a hill-station in 'Gujerat' with a satellite dish/mini-TV - watching the shit kicking of all around you, in the land of the brave & the home of the free (to do as we tell you).
I will give a special prayer out to our 'sprained little soul' who's third eye is clogged with corporate media gunk - 'IFBBwannabe'.
When you are on your way (after the declaration of a 'state of emegency') to an internment camp (under the 'FEMA' act) for your own safety, I will pray for you.
God speed my sprained little soul (to the next life) may the 'eternal Rahman' take pity on you
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Are these historical facts, backed up by the news paper articles of the day & Himmler's (authenticated diaries) also anti-semitic ??
Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.”In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”
Wow !! then out of the 'Nuremberg trials' comes the 'HOLOCAUST' - how very convenient.
Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
Zionism was supported by the 'German SS' & Gestapo. Hitler (avatar of LORD VISHNU)himself personally supported Zionism.
During the 1930’s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized “Kibbutz” training camps over which flew the 'Blue & White banner' which would one day be adopted as the national flag of “Israel”.
The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 & abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler’s Germany & international (JOO's) Zionism. Through this agreement, 'Hitler’s Third Reich' did more than any other government during the 1930’s to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals (why ?? because he wanted them out of his countries economy).
Hitler & the Zionists had a common goal: to create a world Jewish Ghetto as a solution to the Jewish Question.
The Zionist so-called “World Jewish Congress” declared war on the country of Germany,knowing that it would affect their Jewish brothers residing in that country who would be left (as collateral damage for the cause) without protection. When others tried to help them escape to other countries, the Zionist movement took actions which caused those countries to lock their doors to Jewish immigration (read more in the books, “Perfidy” & “Min Hametzer”).
As a result of the Zionist influence five ships of Jewish refugees from Germany arriving in the United States were turned back to the labor camps.
The fundamental aim of the - Zionist movement - has been not to save Jewish lives but to create a “Jewish state” in Palestine !!
On December 7, 1938, Ben Gurion, the first head of the Zionist ‘state of Israel’ declared “If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, & only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel.” (speaks volumes, huh ??)
On August 31, 1949, Ben Gurion stated: “Although we have realized our dream of creating a Jewish State, we are only at the beginning. There are still only 900,000 Jews in Israel, whereas the majority of the Jewish people still remains abroad. Our future task is to bring all the Jews to Israel.”
Of the two & a half Million JOO's seeking refuge from the Nazis between 1935 and 1943, less than 9% went to settle in Palestine. The vast majority, 75%, went to the Soviet Union (why ??), because the Soviet oligarchy were JOO's !!
In the mid-70’s, more people emigrated out of ‘Israel’ than came in. The only surges of immigration to the Zionist state have occurred during anti-Semitic threats & persecution in foreign countries.
It follows that for the Zionist state to achieve its goal of a 'Jewish world ghetto' anti-Semitism must be promoted & encouraged, as we have seen, by acts of violence if necessary.
“To attain its practical objectives, Zionism hopes it will be able to collaborate with a government that is fundamentally hostile to the Jews”.
The use of anti-Semitism as a tool to coerce immigration to the Zionist state continues to the present day.
The JOO's on occupied land, however, have to build the settlements on hills (medieval forts) so as to give the best all round 'line of sight' for target acquisition.
So now they live in a self imposed war zone - with 'compulsory military service' for both male & female.
Yeah, looks like fun from here also !! (muffled laughter)
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PT -- nós somos todos os unbelievers.
Surprisingly enough in 1943. Stalin started conquering European countries with large Jewish populations, like the Ukraine.
Also Britain was not letting Jews move into Palestine and was not allowing Jews move into Britain either.
It wasn't emigration since Hitler wasn't let Jews out of Nazi controlled lands.
I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the hate propaganda that you read.
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Surprisingly enough in 1943. Stalin started conquering European countries with large Jewish populations, like the Ukraine.
Also Britain was not letting Jews move into Palestine and was not allowing Jews move into Britain either.
It wasn't emigration since Hitler wasn't let Jews out of Nazi controlled lands.
I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the hate propaganda that you read.
QFT
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1) Surprisingly enough in 1943. Stalin started conquering European countries with large Jewish populations, like the Ukraine.
2) Also Britain was not letting Jews move into Palestine and was not allowing Jews move into Britain either.
3) It wasn't emigration since Hitler wasn't let Jews out of Nazi controlled lands.
4) I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the hate propaganda that you read.
1) & your point here is ?? (Stalin was a JOO, you do know that, right ??)
2) not quite as cut & dry as that though was it.
3) you have not been paying attention have you ?? hint = 'Havara'
4) I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the media propaganda to which you are subjected.
5) Are you suggesting the above post (of mine is not based on public record facts, news papers of the day - etc) - be very careful how you answer this one !!
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QFT
This reply did not surprise me.
But alas we do not have a 'time machine' & until you can go back in time to these events, so you can see with your own eyes, you Ozmo, will remain the concrete skeptic of any-thing that does not correlate with the 'Paradigm' of your world.
Which leaves you in an evolutionary 'cul-de-sac' my friend. ;D ;D ;)
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1) & your point here is ?? (Stalin was a JOO, you do know that, right ??)
2) not quite as cut & dry as that though was it.
3) you have not been paying attention have you ?? hint = 'Havara'
4) I am thoroughly convinced that you have no idea about history except for the media propaganda to which you are subjected.
5) Are you suggesting the above post (of mine is not based on public record facts, news papers of the day - etc) - be very careful how you answer this one !!
Stalin was an atheist you moron.
He openly persecuted Jews.
Using propaganda papers from Germany doesn't make any of what you said fact.
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This reply did not surprise me.
But alas we do not have a 'time machine' & until you can go back in time to these events, so you can see with your own eyes, you Ozmo, will remain the concrete skeptic of any-thing that does not correlate with the 'Paradigm' of your world.
Which leaves you in an evolutionary 'cul-de-sac' my friend. ;D ;D ;)
And you sir, will forever be subject and prey to the most whimsical and fantasy laced suspicions because you have forfeited your common sense and instead immersed yourself in a world shadowy suggestion based on hateful and fear laced conjecture.
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Stalin was an atheist you moron.
He openly persecuted Jews.
Using propaganda papers from Germany doesn't make any of what you said fact.
He attended an Orthodox Private School... That would infer that he was in fact a Christian.
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He attended an Orthodox Private School... That would infer that he was in fact a Christian.
Wow....first you know nothing of Nuremberg laws and now this.
So what if he attended an Orthodox private school...how old he was then?
Communism opposed all religions.
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He attended an Orthodox Private School... That would infer that he was in fact a Christian.
Joseph Stalin a Christian. ::)
"Continuous persecution in the 1930s resulted in the near-extinction of the Russian Orthodox Church: by 1939, active parishes numbered in the low hundreds (down from 54,000 in 1917), many churches had been leveled, and tens of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and killed. Over 100,000 were shot during the purges of 1937–1938.
Many religions popular in the ethnic regions of the Soviet Union including the Roman Catholic Church, Uniats, Baptists, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. underwent ordeals similar to the Orthodox churches in other parts: thousands of monks were persecuted, and hundreds of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, sacred monuments, monasteries and other religious buildings were razed."
Alexander N. Yakovlev (2002). A Century of Violence in Soviet Russia. Yale University Press. pp. 165.
http://books.google.com/books?visbn=0300103220&id=ChRk43tVxTwC&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&ots=ICIxg28Jud&dq=a+century+of+violence+in+soviet+russia+the+Russian+Orthodox+clergy&ie=ISO-8859-1&sig=C9k9Hr7Vn222WCHf_1iSJOHVsgo (http://books.google.com/books?visbn=0300103220&id=ChRk43tVxTwC&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&ots=ICIxg28Jud&dq=a+century+of+violence+in+soviet+russia+the+Russian+Orthodox+clergy&ie=ISO-8859-1&sig=C9k9Hr7Vn222WCHf_1iSJOHVsgo)
Richard Pipes (2001). Communism: A History. Modern Library Chronicles. pp. 66.
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He attended an Orthodox Private School... That would infer that he was in fact a Christian.
You know what, I could very easy refute that claim.
But you would just call it racist propaganda (probably from a neo-Nazi site, right ??) you just can't make that horse drink.
I am wasting my time, no matter what I bring to the table, I am surrounded by "ney Sayers"
I have no reason to post here, & in fact the realization that I am, 100% no doubt, wasting my valuable time has set in.
I am going to India in June on business, & I really should be investing my time more wisely (lots to do).
You ask questions on this board, but only want to hear certain answers.
Muslim/gay/Paki bashing.
But point out any-thing you pricks feel uncomfortable with & you get called all sorts, just because you do not like what you hear.
You never even bother to look at evidence (I have tried) it just get's poo-pooed.
MattC has made his exit (sounds to me) for the same reason - I will be catching the door before it shuts.
It is not my business to contribute to a board of this nature.
You are all welcome to sit here & talk shit about the economy/Muslims (with-out) realizing where to look for the real blame.
You sit here talking shit until some of that 'Pakistani Uranium' makes it's way through the Mexican border & fucks about 5 of your major cities (trust me it is in the post).
Then we will see where your ignorance to real world events, & who is orchestrating what gets you.
Yes Ozmo - yes, yes, I know you will say that I am running away because I am a little bitch, & can't take it, blah blah........
But getting to a point where you are bored with the whole thing/realizing that you are just wasting your time, is not the same thing at all.
I will tell you 'Ozmo, that deleting my post on the rise of 'national socialism' & JOO's in the rest of the world is what (proverbially) broke the back of the Donkey.
It was on Topic & factual - every-thing in that post could be verified, yet it get's deleted, that is an offense to freedom of speech, on this topic WWII.
So fuck you & good luck with your bruk ass future in the united states of Bull-shit !!
Tata...................
Matt-H (PT)
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Joseph Stalin a Christian. ::)
"Continuous persecution in the 1930s resulted in the near-extinction of the Russian Orthodox Church: by 1939, active parishes numbered in the low hundreds (down from 54,000 in 1917), many churches had been leveled, and tens of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and killed. Over 100,000 were shot during the purges of 1937–1938.
Many religions popular in the ethnic regions of the Soviet Union including the Roman Catholic Church, Uniats, Baptists, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. underwent ordeals similar to the Orthodox churches in other parts: thousands of monks were persecuted, and hundreds of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, sacred monuments, monasteries and other religious buildings were razed."
Alexander N. Yakovlev (2002). A Century of Violence in Soviet Russia. Yale University Press. pp. 165.
http://books.google.com/books?visbn=0300103220&id=ChRk43tVxTwC&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&ots=ICIxg28Jud&dq=a+century+of+violence+in+soviet+russia+the+Russian+Orthodox+clergy&ie=ISO-8859-1&sig=C9k9Hr7Vn222WCHf_1iSJOHVsgo (http://books.google.com/books?visbn=0300103220&id=ChRk43tVxTwC&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&ots=ICIxg28Jud&dq=a+century+of+violence+in+soviet+russia+the+Russian+Orthodox+clergy&ie=ISO-8859-1&sig=C9k9Hr7Vn222WCHf_1iSJOHVsgo)
Richard Pipes (2001). Communism: A History. Modern Library Chronicles. pp. 66.
So you're saying he didn't attend a Christian based school?
Really?
I'm not saying he was a practicing Christian in any aspect... I'm not even saying he was a "Christian".
I'm saying he attended a Christian school and his family upbringing was most likely Christian.
Whether or not he saw himself as a Christian is not what I'm talking about... My point was directly related to him being labeled Jewish... Which there is zero evidence of.
Wow....first you know nothing of Nuremberg laws and now this.
So what if he attended an Orthodox private school...how was he then?
Communism opposed all religions.
Not really the point... When he was a child, he did in fact attend and Orthodox school, that is a Christian entity.
You have not yet shown me where my inference is at all incorrect.
Just because he rose to power in the communist party does not mean he was not raised in the Russian Orthodox religion, he simply chose to not follow it, and instead followed the power.
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So you're saying he didn't attend a Christian based school?
Really?
I'm not saying he was a practicing Christian in any aspect... I'm not even saying he was a "Christian".
I'm saying he attended a Christian school and his family upbringing was most likely Christian.
Whether or not he saw himself as a Christian is not what I'm talking about... My point was directly related to him being labeled Jewish... Which there is zero evidence of.
Not really the point... When he was a child, he did in fact attend and Orthodox school, that is a Christian entity.
You have not yet shown me where my inference is at all incorrect.
Just because he rose to power in the communist party does not mean he was not raised in the Russian Orthodox religion, he simply chose to not follow it, and instead followed the power.
Stalin was not only a big time atheist, but he was an anti-religion bigot.
He attended a Georgian Orthodox seminary when he was sixteen years old only because he got a scholarship to attend. He never finished. This hardly infers that he was a Christian, but you said that it does. ::)
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Jesus Fvcking Christ... You guys who try to villify christianity by associating Stalin with it.
unreal... ::)
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Jesus Fvcking Christ... You guys who try to villify christianity by associating Stalin with it.
unreal... ::)
Makes me laugh. Pol Pot was college educated and then went back to his homeland and killed anyone who could read and/or write. Wonder what that means!!!!
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Stalin was not only a big time atheist, but he was an anti-religion bigot.
He attended a Georgian Orthodox seminary when he was sixteen years old only because he got a scholarship to attend. He never finished. This hardly infers that he was a Christian, but you said that it does. ::)
About as much as he's inferred to be a Jew.
My inference is about his upbringing... Many people would say I'm a Christian, which I would say I'm not... However, my parents sent me to a private Catholic school and are both Christians. People would say I am in turn a Christian as well.
Similarly... People with Jewish parents are called "Jews", even if they are Atheists themselves.
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Jesus Fvcking Christ... You guys who try to villify christianity by associating Stalin with it.
unreal... ::)
Who is vilifying Christianity?
I have done no such thing... I'm simply talking about his upbringing. I'm certainly not saying that Christianity is in anyway shape or form responsible for what Stalin did while he was the leader of the USSR.
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About as much as he's inferred to be a Jew.
My inference is about his upbringing... Many people would say I'm a Christian, which I would say I'm not... However, my parents sent me to a private Catholic school and are both Christians. People would say I am in turn a Christian as well.
Similarly... People with Jewish parents are called "Jews", even if they are Atheists themselves.
tu_holmes,
Stalin WAS NOT a Christian and nothing about his life infers that he was. He was very much atheist and very much anti-religion. Stop owning yourself.
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tu_holmes,
Stalin WAS NOT a Christian and nothing about his life infers that he was. He was very much atheist and very much anti-religion. Stop owning yourself.
Dude... Whatever... I'm sure you all knew him and his family... You guys are ridiculous in your "know it all" attitudes when you have nothing to do but guess.
My point is not what he WAS, but rather what his upbringing was... his family and things of that nature... of which none of you know at all.
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Stalin's anti-religion stance is the only worthwhile thing he did. The rest of the world should follow suit, minus the mass murdering.
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Dude... Whatever... I'm sure you all knew him and his family... You guys are ridiculous in your "know it all" attitudes when you have nothing to do but guess.
You are the only one guessing here. I posted the historical evidence above.
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You are the only one guessing here. I posted the historical evidence above.
So the fact he attended a Seminary, even though it was a scholarship, is of no consequence... I gotcha.
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So the fact he attended a Seminary, even though it was a scholarship, is of no consequence... I gotcha.
Exactly, decades of being anti religion >>>>> going to a religious school.
Got it buddy?
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Exactly, decades of being anti religion >>>>> going to a religious school.
Got it buddy?
I will never get anything that ever comes out of your mouth apparently.
>>>> does not mean of no consequence... At least not in the real world.
"During his time at the seminary, Stalin and numerous other students read forbidden literature that included Victor Hugo novels and revolutionary, including Marxist, material. He was caught and punished numerous times for this. He became an atheist in his first year.[1]"
So before this time, he was in fact raised to be a Christian.
What he did after is not at all the point I am making... I understand that he was an Atheist in his adult life, but he was raised as a Christian.
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So the fact he attended a Seminary, even though it was a scholarship, is of no consequence... I gotcha.
Correct!
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Firstly Pillow Biter nice meltdown. You provided nothing factual at all. Theodor Herzl believed in Zionism as a means to END Anti-Semitism as attributed to this quote - The Jewish question persists wherever Jews live in appreciable numbers. Wherever it does not exist, it is brought in together with Jewish immigrants. We are naturally drawn into those places where we are not persecuted, and our appearance there gives rise to persecution. This is the case, and will inevitably be so, everywhere, even in highly civilised countries—see, for instance, France—so long as the Jewish question is not solved on the political level. The unfortunate Jews are now carrying the seeds of anti-Semitism into England; they have already introduced it into America.
See how you took out of context a lot of what he said to fit your warped view of things. Pathetic really.
As for Hitler getting Jewish people into Palestine what a joke that is. Firstly Palestine was basically like an English colony. The reason they weren't going into Palestine was simple they weren't allowed. England had an agreement that during the war Palestine wouldn't rise up as they had done in 1935. A Palestinian homeland was to be created and because of the lack of freedom brought on by the signing of the white paper in 1939, the Jewish people had a quota for bringing people into the country this helped lead to the popularity of groups like the Stern Gang.
You take quotes out of context, understand none of the actual politics that occurred at the time, and really only care to spread anti Jewish propaganda.
How fitting that you leave the site in such a meltdown induced by a deletion of an obviously racist, biased and fabricated post.
:D
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I will never get anything that ever comes out of your mouth apparently.
>>>> does not mean of no consequence... At least not in the real world.
"During his time at the seminary, Stalin and numerous other students read forbidden literature that included Victor Hugo novels and revolutionary, including Marxist, material. He was caught and punished numerous times for this. He became an atheist in his first year.[1]"
So before this time, he was in fact raised to be a Christian.
What he did after is not at all the point I am making... I understand that he was an Atheist in his adult life, but he was raised as a Christian.
You said having gone to a Christian school alone "infers" that Stalin was a Christian. You did not specify that he was a Christian only in his childhood and you did not mention anything else in his life that would infer that he was a Christian.
So where did you get this text? You left out the reference to your source.
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You said having gone to a Christian school alone "infers" that Stalin was a Christian. You did not specify that he was a Christian only in his childhood and you did not mention anything else in his life that would infer that he was a Christian.
So where did you get this text? You left out the reference to your source.
It's a wikipedia article... Is it anymore true than anything else, I have no idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_before_the_Revolution
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You said having gone to a Christian school alone "infers" that Stalin was a Christian. You did not specify that he was a Christian only in his childhood and you did not mention anything else in his life that would infer that he was a Christian.
So where did you get this text? You left out the reference to your source.
Loco, it's like this. While religion often has a positive influence on the lives of people, the pragmatic dogma, mixed with familial abuse often leads to horrible consequences. Both Stalin and Hitler grew up with terribly abusive father figures, mixed with religious reinforced corporal punishment and intolerance. Stalin had a physical deformity to top it all off. Hitler probably had sexual deficiencies. You could basically say that both grew up to despise the religious upbringing and sought to punish all those who laid it on them when they were young. The religion-inspired sadism wreacked on both was a factor. Everyone knows that the boys who were victims of diddling priests have grown up to be very fucked up, so it's not surprising that in the day before tv and therapists, one or two really religiously screwed-up boys would burn the world. Hitler's hero was Luther, the anti-semite.
While religion may not be the cause of all war and calamity in the world, you'd be hard-pressed to find too many willing to fight and die without having some religious conviction. Nothingness after death doesn't inspire too many to take up the sword. Also, if you look at World War II posters, and the other propaganda, while it wasn't about religion per se, it's what got people to get into it and sacrifice their lives. I don't get why dems want to remove religion from the trenches. Why else would anyone enlist to fight?
So tu holmes was right.
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Loco, it's like this. While religion often has a positive influence on the lives of people, the pragmatic dogma, mixed with familial abuse often leads to horrible consequences. Both Stalin and Hitler grew up with terribly abusive father figures, mixed with religious reinforced corporal punishment and intolerance. Stalin had a physical deformity to top it all off. Hitler probably had sexual deficiencies. You could basically say that both grew up to despise the religious upbringing and sought to punish all those who laid it on them when they were young. The religion-inspired sadism wreacked on both was a factor. Everyone knows that the boys who were victims of diddling priests have grown up to be very fucked up, so it's not surprising that in the day before tv and therapists, one or two really religiously screwed-up boys would burn the world. Hitler's hero was Luther, the anti-semite.
While religion may not be the cause of all war and calamity in the world, you'd be hard-pressed to find too many willing to fight and die without having some religious conviction. Nothingness after death doesn't inspire too many to take up the sword. Also, if you look at World War II posters, and the other propaganda, while it wasn't about religion per se, it's what got people to get into it and sacrifice their lives. I don't get why dems want to remove religion from the trenches. Why else would anyone enlist to fight?
So tu holmes was right.
Religion, whilst traditionally attributed to the realm of faith and the 'spirtual' is little more than doctrine, dogma and the blind adherence thereto; inasmuch as this is true, secular religions abound and Stalinism as well as National Socialism were simply members of that secular group of religions.
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Loco, it's like this. While religion often has a positive influence on the lives of people, the pragmatic dogma, mixed with familial abuse often leads to horrible consequences. Both Stalin and Hitler grew up with terribly abusive father figures, mixed with religious reinforced corporal punishment and intolerance. Stalin had a physical deformity to top it all off. Hitler probably had sexual deficiencies. You could basically say that both grew up to despise the religious upbringing and sought to punish all those who laid it on them when they were young. The religion-inspired sadism wreacked on both was a factor. Everyone knows that the boys who were victims of diddling priests have grown up to be very fucked up, so it's not surprising that in the day before tv and therapists, one or two really religiously screwed-up boys would burn the world. Hitler's hero was Luther, the anti-semite.
While religion may not be the cause of all war and calamity in the world, you'd be hard-pressed to find too many willing to fight and die without having some religious conviction. Nothingness after death doesn't inspire too many to take up the sword. Also, if you look at World War II posters, and the other propaganda, while it wasn't about religion per se, it's what got people to get into it and sacrifice their lives. I don't get why dems want to remove religion from the trenches. Why else would anyone enlist to fight?
So tu holmes was right.
No, it's like this, Deedee: Stalin was not a Christian. Stalin was an atheist and anti-religion murderer who killed millions of innocent people. If it were true that he was a Christian as a child and then later became an atheist and a murderer, then you are admitting that it would have been better for him to remain a Christian.
People who love to vilify Christianity will blame all of the world's atrocities on Christians no matter what, even the many atrocities committed by atheists such as Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. ::)
tu_holmes is wrong, and so are you.
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the first 9 posts in this thread were good, then it went downhill
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Religion, whilst traditionally attributed to the realm of faith and the 'spirtual' is little more than doctrine, dogma and the blind adherence thereto; inasmuch as this is true, secular religions abound and Stalinism as well as National Socialism were simply members of that secular group of religions.
mexicans
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No, it's like this, Deedee: Stalin was not a Christian. Stalin was an atheist and anti-religion murderer who killed millions of innocent people. If it were true that he was a Christian as a child and then later became an atheist and a murderer, then you are admitting that it would have been better for him to remain a Christian.
People who love to vilify Christianity will blame all of the world's atrocities on Christians no matter what, even the many atrocities committed by atheists such as Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. ::)
tu_holmes is wrong, and so are you.
Occasionally people read a book. In your case being internet educated is everything. Oh well, if it makes you feel good to be ignorant, then so be it. Go in peace you drama queen, nonsense-spewing lovely. :)
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Occasionally people read a book. In your case being internet educated is everything. Oh well, if it makes you feel good to be ignorant, then so be it. Go in peace you drama queen, nonsense-spewing lovely. :)
You are the only one here spewing nonsense and showing your obsession with vilifying Christianity. I don't believe that you are ignorant in this case, just dishonest. Stalin a Christian. ::)
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what do you think?
don't say annihilating Jews.
Was the purpose of WWII to eliminate nation states?
The purpose was to kill time, until the Korean War.. ::)
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You are the only one here spewing nonsense and showing your obsession with vilifying Christianity. I don't believe that you are ignorant in this case, just dishonest. Stalin a Christian. ::)
Stalin was heavily indoctrinated in the Eastern Orthodox church.
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Occasionally people read a book. In your case being internet educated is everything. Oh well, if it makes you feel good to be ignorant, then so be it. Go in peace you drama queen, nonsense-spewing lovely. :)
You assume that reading books is a better way to get educated than the internet? That's an unbelievably stupid claim.
Besides the fact that books are usually written with the writer agenda being them, on the internet you can easily cross reference and verify but by reading books you can spend months getting to the bottom of something that will take you 10minutes using the internet.
Furthermore, unless you speak of science books most books are pretty useless, some story that someone who had nothing to do wrote or some historical book that was written from a biased writer viewpoint ::).
You live in 1605, Stalin was far from Christian and tu_holmes is quite the ignorant hypocrate.
Good day :-*
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mexicans
Yup.
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You assume that reading books is a better way to get educated than the internet? That's an unbelievably stupid claim.
Besides the fact that books are usually written with the writer agenda being them, on the internet you can easily cross reference and verify but by reading books you can spend months getting to the bottom of something that will take you 10minutes using the internet.
Furthermore, unless you speak of science books most books are pretty useless, some story that someone who had nothing to do wrote or some historical book that was written from a biased writer viewpoint ::).
You live in 1605, Stalin was far from Christian and tu_holmes is quite the ignorant hypocrate.
Good day :-*
I think Deedee knows that I have a bachelors degree from an American State University and that I have read many books and continue to read them on a regular basis.
Deedee is just an angry, anti-Christian nut job who resorts to insults to my intelligence and to my education when she has nothing better to say.
These anti-Christian atheists don't want to claim Stalin because he and other murderous atheists such as Mao and Pol Pot are an embarrassment to them, and they should be. But they don't want to admit it and take responsibility.
These anti-Christians got called out on their lie that Stalin was a Christian. But now they are changing their story and saying that he was an atheist, but that all the atrocities he committed as an atheist are still attributed to his alleged childhood Christian upbringing. ::)
Deedee, had Stalin had an atheist upbringing and had he become a Christian in his adult life, would you be blaming his atrocities on his atheist upbringing? No, you would still blame his adulthood Christianity instead of his childhood atheism.
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I think Deedee knows that I have a bachelors degree from an American State University and that I have read many books and continue to read them on a regular basis.
Deedee is just an angry, anti-Christian nut job who resorts to insults to my intelligence and to my education when she has nothing better to say.
These anti-Christian atheists don't want to claim Stalin because he and other murderous atheists such as Mao and Pol Pot are an embarrassment to them, and they should be. But they don't want to admit it and take responsibility.
These anti-Christians got called out on their lie that Stalin was a Christian. But now they are changing their story and saying that he was an atheist, but that all the atrocities he committed as an atheist are still attributed to his alleged childhood Christian upbringing. ::)
Deedee, had Stalin had an atheist upbringing and had he become a Christian in his adult life, would you be blaming his atrocities on his atheist upbringing? No, you would still blame his adulthood Christianity instead of his childhood atheism.
Deedee is the great. One of the few women I actually like (want to marry).
BUT anyway we have been over this a million times; atheism is not a doctrine or philosophy, you cannot have an 'atheist' upbringing. That is total gibberish. There are no doctrines and principles in atheism BUT there are such things, very much explicitly, in religion.
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Deedee is the great. One of the few women I actually like (want to marry).
You say that Colossus scares you only because he is a Christian, but Deedee doesn't scare you? Deedee has said that, like Stalin, she had Christian upbringing and now she is an atheist. By her comments about Stalin, you would think that she is now having murderous thoughts. And you want to marry her?
BUT anyway we have been over this a million times; atheism is not a doctrine or philosophy, you cannot have an 'atheist' upbringing. That is total gibberish. There are no doctrines and principles in atheism BUT there are such things, very much explicitly, in religion.
I could be mistaken, but I thought you had repeatedly said that you had an atheist upbringing.
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Deedee is the great. One of the few women I actually like (want to marry).
BUT anyway we have been over this a million times; atheism is not a doctrine or philosophy, you cannot have an 'atheist' upbringing. That is total gibberish. There are no doctrines and principles in atheism BUT there are such things, very much explicitly, in religion.
Who is we and why do you think that the opinion of the "we" group that you speak of matters?
There is one specific doctrine to atheism which is that there is no invisible being, saying that religion is far more defined is rubbish, I can't think of two people in the world who have the exact religious beliefs.
Religion is mostly individual, or at least should be, I take very lightly all those mambo jambo rituals that embodies religion today.
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You say that Colossus scares you only because he is a Christian, but Deedee doesn't scare you? Deedee has said that, like Stalin, she had Christian upbringing and now she is an atheist. By her comments about Stalin, you would think that she is now having murderous thoughts. And you want to marry her?
I could be mistaken, but I thought you had repeatedly said that you had an atheist upbringing.
You are very mistaken. I never used the term 'atheist' upbringing. I said I was raised in a household without religion without any additional information.
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You say that Colossus scares you only because he is a Christian, but Deedee doesn't scare you? Deedee has said that, like Stalin, she had Christian upbringing and now she is an atheist. By her comments about Stalin, you would think that she is now having murderous thoughts. And you want to marry her?
I could be mistaken, but I thought you had repeatedly said that you had an atheist upbringing.
Colossus scares me because he is big, unthinking and a devout zombie.
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You are very mistaken. I never used the term 'atheist' upbringing. I said I was raised in a household without religion without any additional information.
For the sake of my question to Deedee about Stalin, this makes no difference...atheist upbringing, Godless upbringing, whatever.
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Colossus scares me because he is big, unthinking and a devout zombie.
Would Stalin not have scared you, had he been an acquaintance of yours? Stalin was none of those things you say Colossus is.
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For the sake of my question to Deedee about Stalin, this makes no difference...atheist upbringing, Godless upbringing, whatever.
My point is that atheism has no inherent doctrine whereas Christianity does.
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You assume that reading books is a better way to get educated than the internet? That's an unbelievably stupid claim.
Besides the fact that books are usually written with the writer agenda being them, on the internet you can easily cross reference and verify but by reading books you can spend months getting to the bottom of something that will take you 10minutes using the internet.
Furthermore, unless you speak of science books most books are pretty useless, some story that someone who had nothing to do wrote or some historical book that was written from a biased writer viewpoint ::).
You live in 1605, Stalin was far from Christian and tu_holmes is quite the ignorant hypocrate.
Good day :-*
Do I owe you rent for taking up space in your mind?
You can't go 10 posts without mentioning me... I'm hardly a hypocrite, but you label whatever you want. You seem to think you know an awful lot about me, when in fact, you do not.
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Do I owe you rent for taking up space in your mind?
You can't go 10 posts without mentioning me... I'm hardly a hypocrite, but you label whatever you want. You seem to think you know an awful lot about me, when in fact, you do not.
Aren't you full of yourself, you came into this thread and spew shit, I was subscribed to this thread so I replied to your ridiculous claims. Your hypocrisy was shown in other threads and you have to live with being such a person not me.
So still not one condemnation of Hussein....even though he specifically support things you oppose... ::)
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Aren't you full of yourself, you came into this thread and spew shit, I was subscribed to this thread so I replied to your ridiculous claims. Your hypocrisy was shown in other threads and you have to live with being such a person not me.
So still not one condemnation of Hussein....even though he specifically support things you oppose... ::)
What does he oppose specifically that I'm supposed to condemn him on? His spending? Sure, I hate it, but I understand why he's doing it... look at where we are... Look at what he was left with on day 1.
What else has he said specifically that I need condemn him on? Just because I'm not jumping up and down shouting how evil the POTUS is, apparently that's a big deal to you.
Why?
What shit did I spew? I looked around and saw that Stalin was raised as a Christian, you disagree?
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What does he oppose specifically that I'm supposed to condemn him on? His spending? Sure, I hate it, but I understand why he's doing it... look at where we are... Look at what he was left with on day 1.
What else has he said specifically that I need condemn him on? Just because I'm not jumping up and down shouting how evil the POTUS is, apparently that's a big deal to you.
Why?
What shit did I spew? I looked around and saw that Stalin was raised as a Christian, you disagree?
You took the time to get into some of the gay military threads and gay marriage yet haven't said a word about the fact that your holly Obama are 100% opposed on those matters. I think it also happend in Iraq/Afghanistan threads.
You said Stalin was a Christian and afterward justified it by saying that anyone who sat in bible class is deep into religion ::)
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You took the time to get into some of the gay military threads and gay marriage yet haven't said a word about the fact that your holly Obama are 100% opposed on those matters. I think it also happend in Iraq/Afghanistan threads.
You said Stalin was a Christian and afterward justified it by saying that anyone who sat in bible class is deep into religion ::)
Do you have good genetics?
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You took the time to get into some of the gay military threads and gay marriage yet haven't said a word about the fact that your holly Obama are 100% opposed on those matters. I think it also happend in Iraq/Afghanistan threads.
You said Stalin was a Christian and afterward justified it by saying that anyone who sat in bible class is deep into religion ::)
This is where you are ridiculous... My point, as most people get, is that Stalin was heavily influenced by the Christian religion during his upbringing... Just like a person of Jewish decent is influenced by Judaism.
The ultimate point I was making was that he was not a Jew as someone else stated, but apparently that escaped you.
As far as Obama is concerned...
Do I think Don't ask don't tell is the correct thing? Yes. I don't see why anyone would go around proclaiming their gayness in the first place.
Do I support gay marriage, yes... but I don't think that Obama is a problem for not agreeing with me. A lot of people don't agree with me.
What's your point about that?
Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, I'm all for getting out of Iraq and I think Obama should do what he said and get us out... However, I'm very good with finishing the job in Afghanistan.
What's your point you're trying to make there?
I don't agree with a lot of shit a lot of people say or do, but I don't see what's hypocritical about that.
According to you I should hate Obama because he doesn't do every single thing I like... That's stupid.
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This is where you are ridiculous... My point, as most people get, is that Stalin was heavily influenced by the Christian religion during his upbringing... Just like a person of Jewish decent is influenced by Judaism.
The ultimate point I was making was that he was not a Jew as someone else stated, but apparently that escaped you.
As far as Obama is concerned...
Do I think Don't ask don't tell is the correct thing? Yes. I don't see why anyone would go around proclaiming their gayness in the first place.
Do I support gay marriage, yes... but I don't think that Obama is a problem for not agreeing with me. A lot of people don't agree with me.
What's your point about that?
Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, I'm all for getting out of Iraq and I think Obama should do what he said and get us out... However, I'm very good with finishing the job in Afghanistan.
What's your point you're trying to make there?
I don't agree with a lot of shit a lot of people say or do, but I don't see what's hypocritical about that.
According to you I should hate Obama because he doesn't do every single thing I like... That's stupid.
Do you have good genetics?
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Do you have good genetics?
Do you have to shit up every thread with your insecure bullshit? Go outside for fuck's sake.
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Do you have good genetics?
I really have no idea what it is you're asking?
I mean, I'm pretty healthy and I don't get sick or have any ailments... No history of heart disease, diabetes, or anything like that.
I guess they're ok... I don't get the point of the question though.
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Do you have to shit up every thread with your insecure bullshit? Go outside for fuck's sake.
Not everyone is as great as you are.
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I really have no idea what it is you're asking?
I mean, I'm pretty healthy and I don't get sick or have any ailments... No history of heart disease, diabetes, or anything like that.
I guess they're ok... I don't get the point of the question though.
I mean bbing genetics.
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I mean bbing genetics.
Nope, but I lift anyway.
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Nope, but I lift anyway.
What keeps you motivated?
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What keeps you motivated?
I just do it in hopes that it can help me stay healthy and active as I get older.
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I just do it in hopes that it can help me stay healthy and active as I get older.
You're a brave man.
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You're a brave man.
Uh... Thanks?
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You're a brave man.
Tu = good people AND a Y boarder.
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Didn't Bush's grandpa support the Nazis?
Yes.
Prosecuted under US law (trading with the enemy act).
Look up (Google) Prescott Bush - I.G.Farben (German pharmaceutical giant)
After the seizures in late 1942 of five US enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist 'Fritz Thyssen', Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President 'George W. Bush', failed to divest himself of more than a dozen enemy national relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered US government (FOI) documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush & his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.
Bush's partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman & his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
Very telling, is it not ??
The Anti-Defamation League
Prescott Bush's Alleged Nazi "Ties"
"Rumors about the alleged Nazi "ties" of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated.
Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer."
http://www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/prescott.htm