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Granted, I've been a little critical of her in the past. She had 18 months of campaigning for president as Gov for experience, and she mumbled her way thru a few carefully controlled interviews.
However, since she has a political action committee and is working hard to keep her name relevant thru various TV feuds, book deals, and abstinence tours, it looks like we may see her throw her hat into the ring for a 2012 run.
Who would she likely be up against in 2012?
If obama is doing poorly, some good candidates might enter. if he's kicking butt, they will likely sit it out for 2016. Would Mitt, Huck, barbour, pawlenty, and jindal all enter the race?
What would she be like in interviews?
Remember that the campaign trail is 18 months of answering questions 15 hours each day. Will she refuse like she did in 2008? If Mitt and Huck will talk to reporters all day, and palin refuses, what will happen to her coverage?
What would her earning potential be?
If there's another promising star on the horizon that FOX annoints the next great hope, will they (since they have turned on her big time) cost her the far-right donations she got in 2008?
Would anyone pick her for VP choice again?
If another candidate wins, would they repeat mccain's choice of her as VP? 60% of 2008 voters said she wasn't even prepared to be VP. Would that info influence their decision?
Personally I think a bright and shining star will emerge in 2012 and give obama a run for his money. I don't know if palin has the shrewdness to get thru a year of speaking without getting herself into trouble, or that the party even takes her seriously. Especially with how she's not even mentioned in most major power repub polls for 2012 options.
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another palin thread
its too early to be discussing this
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Granted, I've been a little critical of her in the past. She had 18 months of campaigning for president as Gov for experience, and she mumbled her way thru a few carefully controlled interviews.
However, since she has a political action committee and is working hard to keep her name relevant thru various TV feuds, book deals, and abstinence tours, it looks like we may see her throw her hat into the ring for a 2012 run.
Who would she likely be up against in 2012?
If obama is doing poorly, some good candidates might enter. if he's kicking butt, they will likely sit it out for 2016. Would Mitt, Huck, barbour, pawlenty, and jindal all enter the race?
What would she be like in interviews?
Remember that the campaign trail is 18 months of answering questions 15 hours each day. Will she refuse like she did in 2008? If Mitt and Huck will talk to reporters all day, and palin refuses, what will happen to her coverage?
What would her earning potential be?
If there's another promising star on the horizon that FOX annoints the next great hope, will they (since they have turned on her big time) cost her the far-right donations she got in 2008?
Would anyone pick her for VP choice again?
If another candidate wins, would they repeat mccain's choice of her as VP? 60% of 2008 voters said she wasn't even prepared to be VP. Would that info influence their decision?
Personally I think a bright and shining star will emerge in 2012 and give obama a run for his money. I don't know if palin has the shrewdness to get thru a year of speaking without getting herself into trouble, or that the party even takes her seriously. Especially with how she's not even mentioned in most major power repub polls for 2012 options.
Pass the Bong 240. 8)
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If Palin runs in 2012? (or any year?)
We see a beat down on the primary ballot that could only be described as "lethal force" from within her own party.
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If Palin runs in 2012? (or any year?)
We see a beat down on the primary ballot that could only be described as "lethal force" from within her own party.
Palin 2012 - Change EVEN Lurker, 240, Mons, Straw, Benny, TA, will be begging for.
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Palin 2012 - Change EVEN Lurker, 240, Mons, Straw, Benny, TA, will be begging for.
I love it when 240 goes on and on about her interviews.She did ONE bad interview.In fact,her performance in that interview was better then Joe Bidens in his interview with Couric.The other day she bitch slapped little Matt Lawer.She will be fine.Not saying she will win.
By the way,if I could vote for anyone ,Id vote for Paul Ryan.Hes only a congressman and young,but HE will be the future of conservatives,not Palin.
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Palin 2012 - Change EVEN Lurker, 240, Mons, Straw, Benny, TA, will be begging for.
Only if America is a nuclear wasteland, people are living out of duffle bags, I am living across the pond in Capir or Amalfi and looking over the pond at the entertainment value of it all.
Then I would beg for her. Until that happens, she won't be winning the local bingo.
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I agree with many of Palin's general ideas but there will be stronger candidates in 2012. If Obama passes most of what he is trying to get through, I believe there will be a change of power in 2012. Too much debt and we will see taxes on more items go up to try to pay for it.
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I agree with many of Palin's general ideas but there will be stronger candidates in 2012. If Obama passes most of what he is trying to get through, I believe there will be a change of power in 2012. Too much debt and we will see taxes on more items go up to try to pay for it.
Look, I like Palin:
BUT:
1. She needs to get with a speech coach to get the DC lingo down cold.
2. She needs to brush up on subjects she is not familiar with.
3. She needs to go on a detailed attack against Obama's spending and get away from the Springer nonsense.
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I'd hit it...
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Only if America is a nuclear wasteland, people are living out of duffle bags, I am living across the pond in Capir or Amalfi and looking over the pond at the entertainment value of it all.
Then I would beg for her. Until that happens, she won't be winning the local bingo.
She ALREADY won as a governor.A governor is VASTLY more important and impressive then a congressman or senator.There are only 50 governors,SHE IS one of them.So,I believe thats more then bingo.So,in reality,she has accomplished FAR more then big shots like Teddy Kennedy,Boxer,or Frank.She has trumped them in her career.
By the way,did you see that arrogant jerk Boxer the other day force the army General to call her senator?Talk about an arrogant little bitch.She is a typical left wing lib kook senator ,so filled with their self worth.
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She ALREADY won as a governor.A governor is VASTLY more important and impressive then a congressman or senator.There are only 50 governors,SHE IS one of them.So,I believe thats more then bingo.So,in reality,she has accomplished FAR more then big shots like Teddy Kennedy,Boxer,or Frank.She has trumped them in her career.
By the way,did you see that arrogant jerk Boxer the other day force the army General to call her senator?Talk about an arrogant little bitch.She is a typical left wing lib kook senator ,so filled with their self worth.
That was horrible. Boxer is a nasty brooklyn filty C$%^.
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She ALREADY won as a governor.A governor is VASTLY more important and impressive then a congressman or senator.There are only 50 governors,SHE IS one of them.So,I believe thats more then bingo.So,in reality,she has accomplished FAR more then big shots like Teddy Kennedy,Boxer,or Frank.She has trumped them in her career.
She has accomplished more in her 2 years as Governor than Kennedy has in his many decades in DC?
LMFAO... you're delusional.
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She has accomplished more in her 2 years as Governor than Kennedy has in his many decades in DC?
LMFAO... you're delusional.
Kennedy has accomplished the bankruptcy of this nation with many of his bills.
240 - you are really high on the kool aide.
Go look at the 1965 immigration bill Kennedy put forward and what he originally estimated would be the results. Then, go look at the actual results.
Same with the Medicare/Medicaid bills, etc etc.
Kennedy has been a fiscal nightmare on this nation.
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Kennedy has accomplished the bankruptcy of this nation with many of his bills.
240 - you are really high on the kool aide.
Go look at the 1965 immigration bill Kennedy put forward and what he originally estimated would be the results. Then, go look at the actual results.
Same with the Medicare/Medicaid bills, etc etc.
Kennedy has been a fiscal nightmare on this nation.
As well as a moral blight on the country.
However,240,just by being voted in as a governor TRUMPS a senator ANYDAY of the week.Incredibly,even with cancer rotting his flesh,Kennedy is still not satisfied with the destruction he has already committed,now he wants to destroy the health care in America as well.The end cant come quickly enough for that drunken,womanising,crappy ass father scumbag.
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Only if America is a nuclear wasteland, people are living out of duffle bags, I am living across the pond in Capir or Amalfi and looking over the pond at the entertainment value of it all.
Then I would beg for her. Until that happens, she won't be winning the local bingo.
I can't imagine any scenario where I'd want Palin to "get in there" and "shake things up"
she loves the spotlight and I predict her future will be as a Faux News fembot.
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2. She needs to brush up on subjects she is not familiar with.
2012 is 3 years away. Not 300. So no help for her there.
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However,240,just by being voted in as a governor TRUMPS a senator ANYDAY of the week.
According to who?
According to what?
Support this statement.
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2012 is 3 years away. Not 300. So no help for her there.
I wish Obama would brush up on first grade math.
The moron cant add and subtract.
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He's added POTUS to his resume and subtracted GOP from Congress.
Good math in my book.
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I wish Obama would brush up on first grade math.
The moron cant add and subtract.
something tells me he's a heck of a lot smarter than you
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He's added POTUS to his resume and subtracted GOP from Congress.
Good math in my book.
Nice try. This dreamer has BORROWER and SPENT more money in 200 days than all previous presidents combined.
In April 2009, the IRS reported revenue was down 40%.
What does Obama do?
Promise to spend trillions more with no way to pay for it.
Brilliant.
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something tells me he's a heck of a lot smarter than you
Yeah, there is no way I could ever be as convincing a liar as him and convince 53% of the population that spending trillions of dollars we dont have buy borrowing it from the Chinese to bailout failed corporations was a good idea.
You are 100%. I am definately not that good.
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I wish Obama would brush up on first grade math.
The moron cant add and subtract.
here you go math whiz: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html
this article is critical of Obama but also points out the following:
You can think of that roughly $2 trillion swing as coming from four broad categories: the business cycle, President George W. Bush’s policies, policies from the Bush years that are scheduled to expire but that Mr. Obama has chosen to extend, and new policies proposed by Mr. Obama.
The first category — the business cycle — accounts for 37 percent of the $2 trillion swing. It’s a reflection of the fact that both the 2001 recession and the current one reduced tax revenue, required more spending on safety-net programs and changed economists’ assumptions about how much in taxes the government would collect in future years.
About 33 percent of the swing stems from new legislation signed by Mr. Bush. That legislation, like his tax cuts and the Medicare prescription drug benefit, not only continue to cost the government but have also increased interest payments on the national debt.
Mr. Obama’s main contribution to the deficit is his extension of several Bush policies, like the Iraq war and tax cuts for households making less than $250,000. Such policies — together with the Wall Street bailout, which was signed by Mr. Bush and supported by Mr. Obama — account for 20 percent of the swing.
About 7 percent comes from the stimulus bill that Mr. Obama signed in February. And only 3 percent comes from Mr. Obama’s agenda on health care, education, energy and other areas.
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Either way, that is why he was elected in the first place, to fix things, not make them worse.
The bottom line is that we owe 9 trillion dollars and are still borrowing from the chinese to finance our govt. This is not only unsustainable, but leading us to fiscal disaster.
Even Europe, the Chinese, and the Russians know it.
They have been down the path Obama is going and know the results. Disaster.
You cant print countless more dollars without having it backed by anything.
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Either way, that is why he was elected in the first place, to fix things, not make them worse.
And yet... you harp on and harp on when he hasn't been in the office 6 months. Perhaps you have an overnight solution to this mess? Is that it? So let's hear it.
Since you can't do anything but whine about anything he does, let's hear your immediate solution. What is it? I expect something to solve the nation's problems before this summer. What's the answer? Hmmmmm?
Instead of whining more about it and making excuses about "oh.... this will be worse.... that will do nothing.... look at this..." let's just hear YOUR answer to this. So bring it on.
I predict you will just post further bullshit, whinings, and nothings. You have no solution. But yet you criticize the man for at least TRYING something? Time to shit or get off the pot.
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And yet... you harp on and harp on when he hasn't been in the office 6 months. Perhaps you have an overnight solution to this mess? Is that it? So let's hear it.
Since you can't do anything but whine about anything he does, let's hear your immediate solution. What is it? I expect something to solve the nation's problems before this summer. What's the answer? Hmmmmm?
Instead of whining more about it and making excuses about "oh.... this will be worse.... that will do nothing.... look at this..." let's just hear YOUR answer to this. So bring it on.
I predict you will just post further bullshit, whinings, and nothings. You have no solution. But yet you criticize the man for at least TRYING something? Time to shit or get off the pot.
Maybe this will help you understand this -
When a patient (USA) is bleeding (Money, Revenue, etc) on the table from a stab wound (Bursting of the Housing Bubble, Deficits, National Debt) what do you do?
1. Try to stop the bleeding (Cut spending, balance budget, reduce anti-business regulations and taxes)?
or
2. Make the gash even wider (Raise taxes, spend more phoney money, start more govt programs with no moey to pay for it)?
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Does that make sense to you???
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If a patient is going to require surgery to structure the wound, seal off any severed arteries, encapsulate any vital tissue from further damage... then guess what? You are going to have to cut into them and create a bigger wound or a seperate one in order to SAVE THEIR LIFE. But you want to stick a bandaid on it and send them home with internal bleeding to die anyway? Niceeee!!
Now is there any other analogy that you want me to blow up in your face? Did that help you UNDERSTAND?
If not, I am still waiting to here your immediate solution. What is it?
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If a patient is going to require surgery to structure the wound, seal off any severed arteries, encapsulate any vital tissue from further damage... then guess what? You are going to have to cut into them and create a bigger wound or a seperate one in order to SAVE THEIR LIFE. But you want to stick a bandaid on it and send them home with internal bleeding to die anyway? Niceeee!!
Now is there any other analogy that you want me to blow up in your face? Did that help you UNDERSTAND?
If not, I am still waiting to here your immediate solution. What is it?
There is no immediate solution to this since it took decades to get where we are now.
However, we are making the matters far worse now by doing exactly what got us into this mess, but even worse.
We are spending money we dont have by borrowing it from China to finance the govt and consumption. Do you get that?????
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If a patient is going to require surgery to structure the wound, seal off any severed arteries, encapsulate any vital tissue from further damage... then guess what? You are going to have to cut into them and create a bigger wound or a seperate one in order to SAVE THEIR LIFE. But you want to stick a bandaid on it and send them home with internal bleeding to die anyway? Niceeee!!
Now is there any other analogy that you want me to blow up in your face? Did that help you UNDERSTAND?
If not, I am still waiting to here your immediate solution. What is it?
Ok,how about this,a one year elimination of all corporate and personal income taxes.A one year elimination of capitol gains taxes.Elimination of the education department,DEA,TOBACO AND FIREARMS,IRS and more.A one year freeze on ALL government hiring.A one year freeze on ANY increases in ANY government program.Bring ALL our troops home from everywhere and close down our military camps all over the world and put the troops on the border to COMPLETELY shut them down.Elimination of any and ALL aid to illegals,including free schools,health care,food stamps,welfare,housing.No more money to Isreal or any other country.Taking the money from the stupid stimulous and ACTUALLY rebuild the roads and infastructure even if it means paying private companies to do it.Legalise all drugs,let the drug offenders out of prison and keep the prisons for violent offenders.A cap on ALL lawsuits.No more bailouts,get out of the STUPID GM and Chrysler deals.
There ,is that enough?
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There is no immediate solution to this since it took decades to get where we are now.
However, we are making the matters far worse now by doing exactly what got us into this mess, but even worse.
We are spending money we dont have by borrowing it from China to finance the govt and consumption. Do you get that?????
you should probably get out while you can
why don't you move to China
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you should probably get out while you can
why don't you move to China
On a serious note, just look at what China is doing and they are more business friendly than we are.
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What is Palin's position on Internet integrity rights?
This issue needs to be put right on top on the daily agenda right now.
All the scumbag media corps tries to bury it because they also own the record companies.
We need to keep pushing this issue. >:(
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There is no immediate solution to this since it took decades to get where we are now.
Then S...T....F...U... with your ceaseless whining and complaining about "Oh... Barry this... boohoohoo... Barry that.... boohoohoo"
You are expecting him to solve the GOP mess of 8 years in 6 months? ::) And you just admit that you are aware there is "no immediate solution" and yet you STILL whine and gnash your teeth?
Good job. You have managed to place both feet in your mouth.
Do you get THAT? ::)
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On a serious note, just look at what China is doing and they are more business friendly than we are.
seriously - you should move there.
i'm sure you'll love the freedom of speech and other benefits of living in a Communist country
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if palin runs and wins...i'm moving to Europe..
it'll be proof positive that the country has gone to shit
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if palin runs and wins...i'm moving to Europe..
it'll be proof positive that the country has gone to shit
The country has gone to shit.We elected a community organiser with ZERO expierance who hung around racists and radicals his whole life and is now going to seek his revenge on those that have done well in this country.A man whos entire existance is wrapped around equaling the playing field for idiots and failures,even if it means stealing from those that have to do it.If your waiting to move,dont bother,now is the time,we have put Rev. Wright in the white house.
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The country has gone to shit.We elected a community organiser with ZERO expierance who hung around racists and radicals his whole life and is now going to seek his revenge on those that have done well in this country.A man whos entire existance is wrapped around equaling the playing field for idiots and failures,even if it means stealing from those that have to do it.If your waiting to move,dont bother,now is the time,we have put Rev. Wright in the white house.
at least he's not an ex cokehead
at least he's not responsible for sinking trillions of $ into a war ad putting the economy into a shithole (if ya dip heavily int your bank account with abandon..you're gonna suffer..simple)
Equalling the playing field for idiots...riiight..the "no dumbfuck left behind was Obama's idea"? :-\
as bad as Obama might sound..its a step up from Bush...when he talks ..people pay attention...
when bush ws president...certain parts of te world..if ya mentioned you were American...it'd get you killed..and NOt all these places were muslim countries...Obama is changing that
the bush legacy is...he has 7 yrs 4 months to get Osama...HE FAILED!
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at least he's not an ex cokehead
at least he's not responsible for sinking trillions of $ into a war ad putting the economy into a shithole (if ya dip heavily int your bank account with abandon..you're gonna suffer..simple)
Equalling the playing field for idiots...riiight..the "no dumbfuck left behind was Obama's idea"? :-\
as bad as Obama might sound..its a step up from Bush...when he talks ..people pay attention...
when bush ws president...certain parts of te world..if ya mentioned you were American...it'd get you killed..and NOt all these places were muslim countries...Obama is changing that
the bush legacy is...he has 7 yrs 4 months to get Osama...HE FAILED!
Ummm Obama BY HIS OWN ADMISSION is a former coke head.It was in his bok you might want to read it.
The only thing Obama is changing is that he wants to punnish those that work hard and make money and give it to pieces of shit who dont do a god dam thing.Just look at the GM deal.A bailout for scumbag UAW and fucked the investors out of their money.
Obama sucks,his stimulous plan has failed.He will be the biggest failure in the history of the country.You will be the first to cry when your health care benefits are taxed,a value added tax comes in,cap and trade comes in.When you cant pay your bills you will still be looking at that blue mouthed idiot to bail you out.
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Obama's still miles and miles better than Palin.
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Ummm Obama BY HIS OWN ADMISSION is a former coke head.It was in his bok you might want to read it.
well..some people have character and own up and sme have to be caught...like bush :-\
The only thing Obama is changing is that he wants to punnish those that work hard and make money and give it to pieces of shit who dont do a god dam thing.
you make over 250k/yr? unless you r..quit whining
Obama sucks,his stimulous plan has failed.He will be the biggest failure in the history of the country.
just like the bush stimulus plan failed? besides..he just got started...
You will be the first to cry when your health care benefits are taxed,a value added tax comes in,cap and trade comes in.When you cant pay your bills you will still be looking at that blue mouthed idiot to bail you out.
dont worry..my family actually makes more then 250k/yr...we'll be fine...and we aren't complaining...you think this bush created recession is gonna end by waving a magic wand...yall elected the dumbfuck in....now pay the price ;)
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Please change your name to ToxicTruth.
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Please change your name to ToxicTruth.
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the repub..errr the REALLY white folks also known as racially incluned r just pissed a black guy is in office...a black guy with muslim ties none the less...
let em whine...thats ALL they can do now ;D
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Maybe this will help you understand this -
When a patient (USA) is bleeding (Money, Revenue, etc) on the table from a stab wound (Bursting of the Housing Bubble, Deficits, National Debt) what do you do?
1. Try to stop the bleeding (Cut spending, balance budget, reduce anti-business regulations and taxes)?
or
2. Make the gash even wider (Raise taxes, spend more phoney money, start more govt programs with no moey to pay for it)?
________________________ _________
Does that make sense to you???
the patient isn't bleeding in this case...he's been ASSRAPED...continuously for 8 straight yrs
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the repub..errr the REALLY white folks also known as racially incluned r just pissed a black guy is in office...a black guy with muslim ties none the less...
let em whine...thats ALL they can do now ;D
toxic when the Carbon taxes comes, everyone will be paying.
Also there are more millionaires leaving your state then any other
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/28/millionaires-row/
By they way whites voted in Obama.
It wasn't a race thing.
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toxic when the Carbon taxes comes, everyone will be paying.
ok good...the repbs claim to be friends to america...now time to prove it...a better climate is better for America
Also there are more millionaires leaving your state then any other
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/28/millionaires-row/
cause MD is turning into a ghetto...its new name will be "afro-indo-vietnam" :-\
By they way whites voted in Obama.
It wasn't a race thing.
for a lot of whites...it ws
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well..some people have character and own up and sme have to be caught...like bush :-\
Bush has admitted to his previous habits. If President Obama's owning to his past is a good thing, then so is that of President Bush.
you make over 250k/yr? unless you r..quit whining
Billy knows, as do a lot of Americans that the 250K number isn't going to work. As 333386 just posted elsewhere, it's already been LOWERED to $200K. As Obama continues to realize that his "tax the rich" routine won't get the job done, it's only a matter of time, before middle-class America gets pinched.
just like the bush stimulus plan failed? besides..he just got started...
So, Obama stimulus good? Bush stimulus bad? That doesn't quite work. Either both stimulus plan worked or both of them stink.
dont worry..my family actually makes more then 250k/yr...we'll be fine...and we aren't complaining...you think this bush created recession is gonna end by waving a magic wand...yall elected the dumbfuck in....now pay the price ;)
But, other families who do make 250K are complaining. And many of those who don't will be, because they know it's just a matter of time, until the tax hikes hit them.
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Bush has admitted to his previous habits. If President Obama's owning to his past is a good thing, then so is that of President Bush.
really..he did it during his presidency?
Billy knows, as do a lot of Americans that the 250K number isn't going to work. As 333386 just posted elsewhere, it's already been LOWERED to $200K. As Obama continues to realize that his "tax the rich" routine won't get the job done, it's only a matter of time, before middle-class America gets pinched.
didn't middle-class America get royally fucked during the bush era? a pinch dosen't seem all that bad...besides...Obama didn't cause the problem...good ole bush did...Obama is trying to clean up the mess left by bush...if the repbs have better ideas....lets hear em
So, Obama stimulus good? Bush stimulus bad? That doesn't quite work. Either both stimulus plan worked or both of them stink.
Actions r judged by intentions...Bush's intentions were to help his dismal ratings...Obamas rating r already high...he might actually believe this might help people ;)
But, other families who do make 250K are complaining. And many of those who don't will be, because they know it's just a matter of time, until the tax hikes hit them.
well the country should thought about that before allowing trillions to be spent on a bullshit war...that $ has GOT TO BE REPLACED from somewhere...it dosen't grow on trees...its actually quite satysfying to me to see the people suffering the most right now r the ones that voted bush in 2ice! 8) political darwanism
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its a fucking shame that republicans will wave the national pride flag high and bright and call anyone that doesn't agree a terrorist sympathiser till...it effects their wallets...
then all bets r off :-\
Patriotic my ass
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ok good...the repbs claim to be friends to america...now time to prove it...a better climate is better for Americacause MD is turning into a ghetto...its new name will be "afro-indo-vietnam" :-\
for a lot of whites...it ws
I wouldn't use the term lots for some whites it was an issue.
Just like for some blacks it was an issue.
Its time to move past this racial crap.
For your interest Carbon taxes have not cut emissions in Europe, people just pay more.
http://www.eea.europa.eu/pressroom/newsreleases/2009-greenhouse-inventory-report
Falling emissions since 2005 have largely resulted from the lower use of fossil fuels (particularly oil and gas) in households and services — these sectors, not covered by the EU Emission Trading System (ETS), are among the largest sources of GHG emissions in the EU. Warmer weather and higher fuel prices were the primary causes for the drop in emissions in 2006–2007, with most of the decrease occurring in households — particularly in Germany.
Welcoming the reductions, Professor Jacqueline McGlade, EEA Executive Director, stressed that EU Member States need to take positive steps to sustain progress in coming years.
"The economic stimulus packages that Governments are currently adopting represent a crucial opportunity to address the climate crisis and the financial crisis simultaneously", Professor McGlade said. "A strong Copenhagen agreement later this year would drive forward investments vital to our future prosperity."
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For your interest Carbon taxes have not cut emissions in Europe, people just pay more.
Bush wouldn't even sign the koyoto treaty...at least the man is TRYING to move in the right direction...
and the above study..i would like to know who funded that :-\
only way carbon taxes would not cut emissions is when people continue to burn the same amount of carbon at a higher price...well great...that extra $ could be sunk into other green programs ;)
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Bush wouldn't even sign the koyoto treaty...at least the man is TRYING to move in the right direction...
and the above study..i would like to know who funded that :-\
only way carbon taxes would not cut emissions is when people continue to burn the same amount of carbon at a higher price...well great...that extra $ could be sunk into other green programs ;)
The study was directly from the EU based on actual country emissions.
If you want help to help the planet encourage your government to change emission regulations.
No other method is more effective. Because People will always pay more because they have no control of energy production.
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The study was directly from the EU based on actual country emissions.
look bottom line is...what obama is doing is a step...Bush just sat on his ass on the environment issue...
doing nothing is worse than doing something...
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I wouldn't use the term lots for some whites it was an issue.
Just like for some blacks it was an issue.
Its time to move past this racial crap.
For your interest Carbon taxes have not cut emissions in Europe, people just pay more.
http://www.eea.europa.eu/pressroom/newsreleases/2009-greenhouse-inventory-report
Falling emissions since 2005 have largely resulted from the lower use of fossil fuels (particularly oil and gas) in households and services — these sectors, not covered by the EU Emission Trading System (ETS), are among the largest sources of GHG emissions in the EU. Warmer weather and higher fuel prices were the primary causes for the drop in emissions in 2006–2007, with most of the decrease occurring in households — particularly in Germany.
Welcoming the reductions, Professor Jacqueline McGlade, EEA Executive Director, stressed that EU Member States need to take positive steps to sustain progress in coming years.
"The economic stimulus packages that Governments are currently adopting represent a crucial opportunity to address the climate crisis and the financial crisis simultaneously", Professor McGlade said. "A strong Copenhagen agreement later this year would drive forward investments vital to our future prosperity."
But the failure of the European emissions program had more to do with jingoism. Individual countries set their own limits and colluded with businesses to make sure their industries were healthier and more competitive than neighboring "rivals." A similar thing isn't likely to happen here, regardless of whether or not the plan will be effective.
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look bottom line is...what obama is doing is a step...Bush just sat on his ass on the environment issue...
doing nothing is worse than doing something...
Actually sometimes doing nothing is better then something..
That's the biggest problem I see. Everyone wants action for actions sake.
One of the things I think that the US founding fathers got right was making sure any changes that happen are slow.
By the way Bush wanted to incorporate large scale Nuclear power across the US to Curb Greenhouse Gases this was turned down by the congress and senate.
This would have done far more for Green house reductions than any carbon tax.
Oh well. He gets blamed for that too.
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Actually sometimes doing nothing is better then something..
That's the biggest problem I see. Everyone wants action for actions sake.
One of the things I think that the US founding fathers got right was making sure any changes that happen are slow.
Agree.
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Oh well. He gets blamed for that too.
newtons second law applies also to politix...
people didnt just one day wake up and hate him...
action...reaction
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really..he did it during his presidency?
He did that beforehand.
didn't middle-class America get royally fucked during the bush era? a pinch dosen't seem all that bad...besides...Obama didn't cause the problem...good ole bush did...Obama is trying to clean up the mess left by bush...if the repbs have better ideas....lets hear em
Obama didn't cause the problem; but he's making the problems EVEN WORSE. The GOP has put their ideas forth. But, when they don't mesh with the liberals' agenda, they get brushed off. A prime example is this healthcare thing. The GOP can't even buy any airtime during Obama's healthcare "informercial" nor will ABC give them time to response to Obama's presentation with a counteroffer of its own.
Actions r judged by intentions...Bush's intentions were to help his dismal ratings...Obamas rating r already high...he might actually believe this might help people ;)
And, his ratings, like those of Bush will DROP, if the American people deem his policies ineffective. Approval ratings have little worth on a president on the tail end of his second term. In fact, just a few days ago, Bill Maher (HARDLY A CONSERVATIVE, much less a fan of Bush) actually wished that Obama (in certain instances) would be more like Bush. That is, invoke the policies he believes that are right, REGARDLESS of approval ratings or popularity.
well the country should thought about that before allowing trillions to be spent on a bullshit war...that $ has GOT TO BE REPLACED from somewhere...it dosen't grow on trees...its actually quite satysfying to me to see the people suffering the most right now r the ones that voted bush in 2ice! 8) political darwanism
That claim is utterly ridiculous. People from ALL political spectrums are suffering. The fact that you take some glee into thinking that people who didn't vote the way you thought they should are hurting is quite telling.
Plus, lest you forget, the Democrats (who been in the majority for the last 2-3 years) have a part to play in this as well, INCLUDING the Iraq War.
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The fact that you take some glee into thinking that people who didn't vote the way you thought they should are hurting is quite telling.
why shouldn't I....when dumbfucks suffer..darwanism wins :)
Plus, lest you forget, the Democrats (who been in the majority for the last 2-3 years) have a part to play in this as well, INCLUDING the Iraq War
hell, it wasn't a democratic decision to let Osama Go and instead wage war on an innocent country..who ws our friend before...no WMDs = the whole thing ws bullshit....NO PROOF and hundreds of thousands of innocents died..and excuse me if sitting at 50,000 ft above iraq and dropping bombs by pushing a button juuust dosen't seem heroic and patrotic to me...all for what? a mayybe?
the decision ws Bush's...and Osama as a DIRECT result is still alive...