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Title: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on June 20, 2009, 07:50:20 PM
I'm always hearing about different opinions of what can be achieved naturally. Some people claim very high limits of musculature and some people claim that even people who aren't heavier than 170lbs with a 6 pack must be using steroids.

So people...Post pictures of YOUR opinions of what could be naturally achieved with GOOD genetics, EXTREME dedication, YEARS of weight training, PERFECT diet.


Even if the people in the pictures aren't natural...They can still be used as an example of what can be achieved naturally in your opinion.





Please don't post pictures of skinny people or pictures of massive pro-bodybuilders to be funny. (I know people will be dumb and do this anyway).



Here is my opinion on what can be done naturally if everything is done right and the person dedicates a lot lives to building this physique.


Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: clued-up on June 20, 2009, 07:57:35 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)

this guy is not natural. 
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on June 20, 2009, 08:04:00 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)

this guy is not natural. 




He is, You were verbally spanked in previous threads about this topic. Even the guy himself came and posted on this site to back himself up, as well as several people who know him personally. But I guess some people never learn...

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=264309.0



 But notice I said that people can post pictures of people who aren't natural just as example of the natural limit. I have no desire to rehash old arguments about who is or isn't natural. ALL of your arguments are rooted in your own personal inadequacies and insecurities, claiming that superior bodybuilders to yourself must use steroids since you used to get where you are, so you can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.


Post a picture of YOUR idea of what can be achieved naturally, the LIMIT.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 20, 2009, 08:08:48 PM
You are retarded as the day is long if you for one minute believe the douche in the picture is natural, not even close.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: clued-up on June 20, 2009, 08:24:22 PM
Post a picture of YOUR idea of what can be achieved naturally, the LIMIT.

my idea? well, what for? forget about ideas.. we should all be worried about our own physiques.. in reality. 

looking at anyone else is pointless.. what you see in the mirror is all that matters.

so, why don’t you simply post a picture of yourself? you’re really good at posting pictures of other (drug using) bodybuilders.. who you proclaim (falsely, how could you really know?) to be natural.

that means fuck all – put your money where your mouth is, post a picture of yourself. 
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Jeffro on June 20, 2009, 08:28:33 PM



He is, You were verbally spanked in previous threads about this topic. Even the guy himself came and posted on this site to back himself up, as well as several people who know him personally. But I guess some people never learn...

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=264309.0



 But notice I said that people can post pictures of people who aren't natural just as example of the natural limit. I have no desire to rehash old arguments about who is or isn't natural. ALL of your arguments are rooted in your own personal inadequacies and insecurities, claiming that superior bodybuilders to yourself must use steroids since you used to get where you are, so you can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into.


Post a picture of YOUR idea of what can be achieved naturally, the LIMIT.
There's no way in hell that guy achieved his physique naturally.  But hey, whatever motivates you to keep training, "delusionalismo."
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 20, 2009, 08:35:15 PM
There's no way in hell that guy achieved his physique naturally.  But hey, whatever motivates you to keep training, "delusionalismo."

I can't even fathom that this guy thinks this fella is natural. Any one who has been in a gym setting for any appreciable amount of time should know better.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: CalvinH on June 20, 2009, 08:35:58 PM
Juiced.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: dustin on June 20, 2009, 08:36:25 PM
If that were natural, I would denounce AAS and any other PED. I wouldn't even use creatine or protein powder.. but alas, that is so fucking far from natural it's not even worth humoring as a fairytale.

You my friend are fucking retarded. You are on a downward spiral of retardation to be more precise.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Jeffro on June 20, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
I can't even fathom that this guy thinks this fella is natural. Any one who has been in a gym setting for any appreciable amount of time should know better.
I agree bro, the naivety of some people is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: wavelength on June 20, 2009, 08:41:07 PM
there is no way to tell if someone who claims to be natural really is other than being that person
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Jeffro on June 20, 2009, 08:43:51 PM
there is no way to tell if someone who claims to be natural really is other than being that person
You don't hold that type of mass while also being shredded without some kind of "assistance." 
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 20, 2009, 08:45:59 PM
there is no way to tell if someone who claims to be natural really is other than being that person

Very true, but sometimes you have to use a little common sense. Very, very hard to be that big and that lean and still natural all at once. Natural these days though is test prop, winni and var.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: wavelength on June 20, 2009, 08:47:25 PM
You don't hold that type of mass while being shredded without some kind of "assistance."

Yeah but we still can't know for sure. If he is natural, this kind of physique would have absolutely nothing to do with dedication or being "hard core" though. It would solely be based on genetics.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Jeffro on June 20, 2009, 08:51:30 PM
Yeah but we still can't know for sure. If he is natural, this kind of physique would have absolutely nothing to do with dedication or being "hard core" though. It would solely be based on genetics.
He must have some of the best genetics ever then.  :o
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: wavelength on June 20, 2009, 08:54:39 PM
He must have some of the best genetics ever then.  :o

If he's not a liar, yes. This would be my example BTW:

(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/02/12/447939/profilepic/3531162.jpg)

Can't say for sure if he's natural of course, but this is believable to me.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 20, 2009, 08:56:05 PM
If he's not a liar, yes. This would be my example BTW:

(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/02/12/447939/profilepic/3531162.jpg)

Can't say for sure if he's natural of course, but this is believable to me.

I would buy that this dude is legit natural. Just lean and smallish with good shape. Not 40 extra pounds like the first guy posted.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: wavelength on June 20, 2009, 09:00:59 PM
I would buy that this dude is legit natural. Just lean and smallish with good shape. Not 40 extra pounds like the first guy posted.

Yeah, this guy is 5'9", 156lbs, 7% body fat.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: dustin on June 20, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
If he's not a liar, yes. This would be my example BTW:

(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/02/12/447939/profilepic/3531162.jpg)

Can't say for sure if he's natural of course, but this is believable to me.

I remember chatting with this guy. I definitely think he's natural. He may have used 1AD or m1t unknowingly like many others, but I doubt it... I think he's a true lifetime natural. I would like to look like this guy with just a little more thickness. He looks absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Stavios on June 20, 2009, 09:17:37 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)

this guy is not natural. 

as natural as my cock
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Stavios on June 20, 2009, 09:19:15 PM
Yeah, this guy is 5'9", 156lbs, 7% body fat.

these dudes all look way bigger and more impressive because of the fucking lighting they use

I am sure he looks super small in person from those numbers
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: mitchyboy on June 20, 2009, 09:23:17 PM
Is that dudes name Braun, or something like that?  ???
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: jtsunami on June 20, 2009, 09:48:59 PM
Is that dudes name Braun, or something like that?  ???

no PJ is much cuter, the dude pictured by thread starter is no where near natural what a joke this shit is.

jt
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Epic_Monster on June 20, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
Bout as natural as a Muslim at a Klan Rally! :o
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: dyslexic on June 20, 2009, 10:15:09 PM
He may have been natural before Photoshopping....



Like this:

(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/allnatty.jpg)


Or this:

(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/leepriest.jpg)


Or this:


(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/bobbieshair.jpg)


Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: alnassak on June 21, 2009, 12:32:05 AM
101% Natural

Supplements Free

All Eggs, Chicken Breast, Garlic & Onions  ;D

2 years Old Pictures, I will update you with the incredible new Development very soon  ;)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: WillGrant on June 21, 2009, 12:49:50 AM
101% Natural

Supplements Free

All Eggs, Chicken Breast, Garlic & Onions  ;D

2 years Old Pictures, I will update you with the incredible new Development very soon  ;)

Is this your father Ali?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: TechnoViking on June 21, 2009, 12:52:59 AM
The guys joints are very small which is great for bodybuilding and giving an illusion of being bigger then you really are...If I was to guess if he uses anything I would say he does but only because of the size of his neck...If he wasn't using and he dieted down, his neck would thin out even if he trained it alone...His neck is a dead give away to me because his joints are so small...And I won't even get into that fact that you could you could watch a double feature on that drive-in movie type forehead...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: TechnoViking on June 21, 2009, 12:54:37 AM
101% Natural

Supplements Free

All Eggs, Chicken Breast, Garlic & Onions  ;D

2 years Old Pictures, I will update you with the incredible new Development very soon  ;)



very good physique Alnassak...Like I stated in the above post, its the neck that almost always gives it away when all dieted down...Alnassak has the neck of a natural...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Bast175 on June 21, 2009, 12:54:56 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)

His arms are the size of his head, for God's sake.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: alnassak on June 21, 2009, 12:57:57 AM
Is this your father Ali?

No
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: alnassak on June 21, 2009, 01:04:24 AM

very good physique Alnassak...Like I stated in the above post, its the neck that almost always gives it away when all dieted down...Alnassak has the neck of a natural...

Thanks for your nice commnets.  However, he is my cousin and Instructor  ;D

If you want to know if someone is Natural or not, it is really very easy !! How??

1-   The size of the joints are bigger on the juiced bodybuilder
2-   The hands look watery and thick.
3-   the Neck is Larger

these are some quick tips to differentiate between Natty and Juiced Bodybuilders  ;)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: dyslexic on June 21, 2009, 10:06:10 AM
Thanks for your nice commnets.  However, he is my cousin and Instructor  ;D

If you want to know if someone is Natural or not, it is really very easy !! How??

1-   The size of the joints are bigger on the juiced bodybuilder
2-   The hands look watery and thick.
3-   the Neck is Larger

these are some quick tips to differentiate between Natty and Juiced Bodybuilders  ;)




You have got to be kidding...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: johnnynoname on June 21, 2009, 10:08:32 AM
101% Natural

Supplements Free

All Eggs, Chicken Breast, Garlic & Onions  ;D

2 years Old Pictures, I will update you with the incredible new Development very soon  ;)


that guy= truth to the fact that a good physique can't make up for a shitty face
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on June 21, 2009, 10:21:43 AM
My picture is not about the natural limit...some people with more years of training and with better supplements can achieve a much better physique naturally. So this is why I can't understand when a hobby bodybuilder start using steroids...  ??? Why?

This is me at 18 years old, after 3 years of training, natural. No juice, no fat burners, no diuretic.



(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090621/18.jpg_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on June 21, 2009, 10:30:04 AM
Supplements Free

I salute you!  8)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on June 21, 2009, 11:13:48 AM
So people...Post pictures of YOUR opinions of what could be naturally achieved with GOOD genetics, EXTREME dedication, YEARS of weight training, PERFECT diet.





this fella was natural right here and then the 2nd,,pic he is on dbol at 6 tablets at from ciba.
(http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/1999/SergioOliva2.jpg)
(http://www.cuttingedgepersonaltraining.com/sergio_oliva.gif)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: uberman09 on June 21, 2009, 11:17:34 AM


You have got to be kidding...
that's the main problem with this "analsack" guy, he's not kidding.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: TechnoViking on June 21, 2009, 11:58:07 AM
My picture is not about the natural limit...some people with more years of training and with better supplements can achieve a much better physique naturally. So this is why I can't understand when a hobby bodybuilder start using steroids...  ??? Why?

This is me at 18 years old, after 3 years of training, natural. No juice, no fat burners, no diuretic.



(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090621/18.jpg_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)

and a skinny neck
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: TechnoViking on June 21, 2009, 12:06:25 PM
So this is why I can't understand when a hobby bodybuilder start using steroids...  ??? Why?





(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090621/18.jpg_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)


You really don't know why? Ask yourself why would a man who lives comfortably want to become a millionaire...And risk his health(because of added stress)to become one...Why do people get plastic surgery etc? Most people in the world who use steroids are not bodybuilders...And steroids were not created many many decades ago for bodybuilders...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on June 21, 2009, 01:21:43 PM
yeah i don't understand why some think you should only juice if you compete

there is nothing to gain from competiton unless you have what it takes to be among the worlds elite

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: dyslexic on June 21, 2009, 01:42:53 PM


there is nothing to gain from competiton unless you have what it takes to be among the worlds elite

E


That could be said about so many things in life.... and yet...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on June 21, 2009, 02:06:53 PM

That could be said about so many things in life.... and yet...

true but it's stupid to think that competiton is the only reason a guy should ever juice

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: affeman on June 21, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/SteveReeves1.jpg)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on June 21, 2009, 02:41:08 PM
Competition is about pushing yourself and comparing yourself with others onstage.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: jtsunami on June 21, 2009, 02:44:20 PM
Thanks for your nice commnets.  However, he is my cousin and Instructor  ;D

If you want to know if someone is Natural or not, it is really very easy !! How??

1-   The size of the joints are bigger on the juiced bodybuilder
2-   The hands look watery and thick.
3-   the Neck is Larger

these are some quick tips to differentiate between Natty and Juiced Bodybuilders  ;)


um yeah really scientific way their buddy, the only way you can tell is a legit blood test without the person trying to mask what chemicals they have in their body.

jt
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Vorkosigan on June 21, 2009, 02:58:07 PM
Not really, I used to be just about as muscular when I was younger and I've never used steroids. I also know quite a few people who have comparable muscle mass (but not definition) who are natural.
lmao
me too
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Vorkosigan on June 21, 2009, 03:00:26 PM
Thanks for your nice commnets.  However, he is my cousin and Instructor  ;D

If you want to know if someone is Natural or not, it is really very easy !! How??

1-   The size of the joints are bigger on the juiced bodybuilder
2-   The hands look watery and thick.
3-   the Neck is Larger

these are some quick tips to differentiate between Natty and Juiced Bodybuilders  ;)

There are many others ways, but the 3rd one isn't true
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: m8 on June 21, 2009, 03:04:50 PM
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Arkadius on June 21, 2009, 03:12:16 PM
You are retarded as the day is long if you for one minute believe the douche in the picture is natural, not even close.
QFT
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 21, 2009, 03:17:35 PM
I can't understand why anyone who trains want to be natural. I mean it's like you can drive a Ferrari but you choose to ride a bicycle. ;D
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on June 21, 2009, 03:23:56 PM
I can't understand why anyone who trains want to be natural. I mean it's like you can drive a Ferrari but you choose to ride a bicycle. ;D





^^^THIS is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Total lack of experience in this post.


ANYONE who has been around steroid users and who has actually spent more than a few years lifting weights KNOWS why natural bodybuilding is superior. Natural bodybuilders KEEP their muscle mass a lot easier than steroid users do.
When someone builds muscle on steroids, the muscle only knows high testosterone and the hormones from steroid use and is built and maintained on them. Once steroid users stop taking steroids, they usually lose a lot of weight very fast and look like deflated balloons.

Steroid muscle as very temporary and the risks are always high. Natural muscles are long term and it is actually healthy.
This isn't comparable to riding a bike when you could ride a Ferrari. It's more like RENTING a car when you could in fact own one. Sure, it takes longer to get the car and a lot of hard work, but once you get it it is yours. Renting a car might be quick and easy, but it is temporary and it can't last forever. Plus renting cars a lot hurts your wallet (just like doing a ton of steroid cycles in your life damages your health).
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: jtsunami on June 21, 2009, 06:03:41 PM




^^^THIS is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Total lack of experience in this post.


ANYONE who has been around steroid users and who has actually spent more than a few years lifting weights KNOWS why natural bodybuilding is superior. Natural bodybuilders KEEP their muscle mass a lot easier than steroid users do.
When someone builds muscle on steroids, the muscle only knows high testosterone and the hormones from steroid use and is built and maintained on them. Once steroid users stop taking steroids, they usually lose a lot of weight very fast and look like deflated balloons.

Steroid muscle as very temporary and the risks are always high. Natural muscles are long term and it is actually healthy.
This isn't comparable to riding a bike when you could ride a Ferrari. It's more like RENTING a car when you could in fact own one. Sure, it takes longer to get the car and a lot of hard work, but once you get it it is yours. Renting a car might be quick and easy, but it is temporary and it can't last forever. Plus renting cars a lot hurts your wallet (just like doing a ton of steroid cycles in your life damages your health).


you build a natural base for 5 years first you will keep it after you get off, then you get on roids and they are not risky wtf are you talking about?  They make you feel good and look good, are you a health nut or something?

jt
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 21, 2009, 06:52:54 PM




^^^THIS is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Total lack of experience in this post.


ANYONE who has been around steroid users and who has actually spent more than a few years lifting weights KNOWS why natural bodybuilding is superior. Natural bodybuilders KEEP their muscle mass a lot easier than steroid users do.
When someone builds muscle on steroids, the muscle only knows high testosterone and the hormones from steroid use and is built and maintained on them. Once steroid users stop taking steroids, they usually lose a lot of weight very fast and look like deflated balloons.

Steroid muscle as very temporary and the risks are always high. Natural muscles are long term and it is actually healthy.
This isn't comparable to riding a bike when you could ride a Ferrari. It's more like RENTING a car when you could in fact own one. Sure, it takes longer to get the car and a lot of hard work, but once you get it it is yours. Renting a car might be quick and easy, but it is temporary and it can't last forever. Plus renting cars a lot hurts your wallet (just like doing a ton of steroid cycles in your life damages your health).



FFS, you really are a douche. Not all steroid users are the typical 19 year old kid who takes whatever he can get, works out for 3 months then quits the minute the juice is gone. I worked out for over 10 years before touching a thing. Whenever I come off, I'm still bigger and stronger than guys who have never juiced and many that juice nonstop from the beginning, because I had the natural base to begin with. If you stay a lifetime natural, YOU WILL ABSOLUTELY HIT A BRICK WALL AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU CHANGE, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE STUCK!!!!!! Your body can only produce so much testosterone, GH and Insulin and their is only so many ways you can manipulate it. I admire true naturals, I really do. BUT, they are the preachiest group of people that are overly passionate about a sport that was built on performance enhancers and always will be, you don't like it, join the swim team, TRUE naturals have the build :-*
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: T-Bag on June 21, 2009, 07:02:02 PM
one of my best friends - I know for a fact he's natural.  trains hard and has unreal genetics
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: tbombz on June 21, 2009, 07:05:30 PM
i wish i had a nickel for every person who has a friend who is a juicer and they know for a fact that he is a natural.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: T-Bag on June 21, 2009, 07:08:56 PM
well we get tested randomly throughout the year so ....
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 21, 2009, 07:21:03 PM
well we get tested randomly throughout the year so ....

Who tests you? I don't know of any workplace that tests for AAS, not trying to call out you or your friend, just curious.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: jtsunami on June 21, 2009, 07:22:58 PM
well we get tested randomly throughout the year so ....

so does this man

(http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/anna-hansen-and-lance-armstrong-new-parents.jpg)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: johnnynoname on June 21, 2009, 07:23:50 PM
if that guy is natural then I really look like "chaos"
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Croatch on June 21, 2009, 07:47:02 PM

You know pro gear takers must get tired of the "steroids" comment.  Even though, at the end of the day, they're primarily drugs and most likely have never gained 30lbs of muscle on their own.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: jtsunami on June 21, 2009, 09:26:18 PM
You know pro gear takers must get tired of the "steroids" comment.  Even though, at the end of the day, they're primarily drugs and most likely have never gained 30lbs of muscle on their own.


bitter bitter man, just let it go, you will be so much happier
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: clued-up on June 21, 2009, 09:37:02 PM
You know pro gear takers must get tired of the "steroids" comment.  Even though, at the end of the day, they're primarily drugs and most likely have never gained 30lbs of muscle on their own.


lots of people build a decent base before they use gear.. even *pro gear takers*

On the other hand – I know guys that have been juicing from teen age, and are truly all drugs. I wonder how much mass a guy can retain.. if he’s never trained without steroids, but decided to quit?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Jeffro on June 21, 2009, 09:42:19 PM
one of my best friends - I know for a fact he's natural.  trains hard and has unreal genetics
Unless you're with him 24 hours a day, how exactly would you "know for a fact he's natural?" 

The only person that truly knows is himself, so quit making these stupid claims.  What, so just because he's your "friend," that means he has to be telling you the truth about everything?  ::)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: alnassak on June 21, 2009, 09:44:37 PM
I salute you!  8)

Thank you  8)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: 3Dkiller on June 21, 2009, 09:51:21 PM
you must be such a moron to believe hes natural. yeah natural as my cock.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: dyslexic on June 21, 2009, 10:31:12 PM
Since he's so "natural" I guess he's got a lot to look forward to once he starts juicin'....


(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/whenhejuices.jpg)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: uberman09 on June 21, 2009, 11:54:07 PM
Since he's so "natural" I guess he's got a lot to look forward to once he starts juicin'....


(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/whenhejuices.jpg)
looks like this dude is abusing creatine...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on June 22, 2009, 12:38:13 AM
one of my best FORMER GAY  friends PARTNERS - I know for a fact he's natural.  trains hard and has unreal genetics
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: TechnoViking on June 22, 2009, 02:56:07 AM
Since he's so "natural" I guess he's got a lot to look forward to once he starts juicin'....


(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/whenhejuices.jpg)



Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 22, 2009, 03:59:24 AM
My picture is not about the natural limit...some people with more years of training and with better supplements can achieve a much better physique naturally. So this is why I can't understand when a hobby bodybuilder start using steroids...  ??? Why?

This is me at 18 years old, after 3 years of training, natural. No juice, no fat burners, no diuretic.



(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090621/18.jpg_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)

*cough* liar! *cough* even you are skinny, I don't believe you for one second.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 22, 2009, 04:06:11 AM

^^^THIS is the sort of stuff I'm talking about. Total lack of experience in this post.


ANYONE who has been around steroid users and who has actually spent more than a few years lifting weights KNOWS why natural bodybuilding is superior. Natural bodybuilders KEEP their muscle mass a lot easier than steroid users do.

When someone builds muscle on steroids, the muscle only knows high testosterone and the hormones from steroid use and is built and maintained on them. Once steroid users stop taking steroids, they usually lose a lot of weight very fast and look like deflated balloons.

Steroid muscle as very temporary and the risks are always high. Natural muscles are long term and it is actually healthy.
This isn't comparable to riding a bike when you could ride a Ferrari. It's more like RENTING a car when you could in fact own one. Sure, it takes longer to get the car and a lot of hard work, but once you get it it is yours. Renting a car might be quick and easy, but it is temporary and it can't last forever. Plus renting cars a lot hurts your wallet (just like doing a ton of steroid cycles in your life damages your health).


Not if you never come off  8) You'll be big all the time. And things like HGH you never need to come off, and it's not giving you any bad sides. What you gain with GH you pretty much keep even if you would stop
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 22, 2009, 04:12:48 AM
By the way... HGH is the first choice of a natural bodybuilder ... why? Because there is no way to see if someone uses GH .... no test for that.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 22, 2009, 04:26:34 AM
"In fact, around 300 HGH blood tests were conducted at the Athens Games, and about 100 in Turin, and there were no positives there, either. Perhaps the testing itself serves as a deterrent, but anti-doping experts suggest that in-competition testing for HGH simply is not effective."

(Thinking like som guys on this board) Maybe they never took anything ... maybe they are all natural ... doh!

Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 22, 2009, 04:36:23 AM
And this is what you can achieve natural if you do everything right, eat, sleep and train well.

(http://www.hagelin.net/fitness/fitness_fram.jpg)

And that guy on the pic is to 99% chance juiced.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 07:46:57 AM
sht up already with the pms i answer it one time inregard fr every pic mentioned then dont ask me this nonesense anymore,, give me few min and i answer in regard to every picture ,,
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 07:48:03 AM
I'm always hearing about different opinions of what can be achieved naturally. Some people claim very high limits of musculature and some people claim that even people who aren't heavier than 170lbs with a 6 pack must be using steroids.

So people...Post pictures of YOUR opinions of what could be naturally achieved with GOOD genetics, EXTREME dedication, YEARS of weight training, PERFECT diet.


Even if the people in the pictures aren't natural...They can still be used as an example of what can be achieved naturally in your opinion.





Please don't post pictures of skinny people or pictures of massive pro-bodybuilders to be funny. (I know people will be dumb and do this anyway).



Here is my opinion on what can be done naturally if everything is done right and the person dedicates a lot lives to building this physique.




hormonized from turinabol to anadrol to needles and inbetween ,,seriious cycles
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 07:49:49 AM
If he's not a liar, yes. This would be my example BTW:

(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2009/02/12/447939/profilepic/3531162.jpg)

Can't say for sure if he's natural of course, but this is believable to me.

hormonized ,,bad response to hormones,,the likes of big breaks between cycles and specific products then breaks,,lack if thickness due to needle scare
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 07:52:00 AM
101% Natural

Supplements Free

All Eggs, Chicken Breast, Garlic & Onions  ;D

2 years Old Pictures, I will update you with the incredible new Development very soon  ;)


hormonized ,,mainly PRO HORMONE products and fat burners
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: wavelength on June 22, 2009, 07:52:34 AM
hormonized ,,bad response to hormones,,the likes of big breaks between cycles and specific products then breaks,,lack if thickness due to needle scare

You think it's absolutely impossible to get to that physique without hormones?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 07:53:25 AM
My picture is not about the natural limit...some people with more years of training and with better supplements can achieve a much better physique naturally. So this is why I can't understand when a hobby bodybuilder start using steroids...  ??? Why?

This is me at 18 years old, after 3 years of training, natural. No juice, no fat burners, no diuretic.



(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090621/18.jpg_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)

hormonized with good response to minimal doses ,,we consider it natural in today bodybuildign but hormones in system
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 07:55:04 AM
this fella was natural right here and then the 2nd,,pic he is on dbol at 6 tablets at from ciba.
(http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/1999/SergioOliva2.jpg)
(http://www.cuttingedgepersonaltraining.com/sergio_oliva.gif)

hormonized to the max both pictures,,to the max in those days was not to the max in these days!  they used more of basics not too much exotic because there were not to many exotics
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 07:56:35 AM
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/halloffame/SteveReeves1.jpg)

natural in those days but as said before experiemtn with homornes as discussed before in 2005
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 07:57:48 AM
one of my best friends - I know for a fact he's natural.  trains hard and has unreal genetics

hormonized and has been to growth hormone at low doses,,bad response to hormones
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 08:01:11 AM
And this is what you can achieve natural if you do everything right, eat, sleep and train well.

(http://www.hagelin.net/fitness/fitness_fram.jpg)

And that guy on the pic is to 99% chance juiced.

need more picture of fella ,,this picture is not good enough ,,he has products in his system but need one more picture to give you definite answer if its pro hormones or actual hormones
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 22, 2009, 08:03:42 AM
You think it's absolutely impossible to get to that physique without hormones?

he been to hormones,,the level of condition and dryness in addition to muscle development and good thickness for tiny person ,, just bad response so its all on a miniature level,,this is more of a winstrol turinabol tablets type of fella bneveer the less a user

fella 6.5% if nto 6% and maintaining fullness and some thickness for his tiny size ,,this is what water based hormones or in his case short easter non  aromatze orals help you achieve

gh15 approved
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: wavelength on June 22, 2009, 08:22:01 AM
he been to hormones,,the level of condition and dryness in addition to muscle development and good thickness for tiny person ,, just bad response so its all on a miniature level,,this is more of a winstrol turinabol tablets type of fella bneveer the less a user

fella 6.5% if nto 6% and maintaining fullness and some thickness for his tiny size ,,this is what water based hormones or in his case short easter non  aromatze orals help you achieve

gh15 approved

I'd be interested in your judgement of my physique in two weeks. I want to try getting in my best condition ever.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on June 22, 2009, 08:36:46 AM
THANK YOU GOD!!!! YORU THE BEST GOD ANYONE CAN HAVE
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on June 22, 2009, 12:06:48 PM
*cough* liar! *cough* even you are skinny, I don't believe you for one second.


How small must YOU be to think that this can't be achieved naturally?

Or if not small, most of your physique must have been built on steroids. You obviously don't have the drive.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: heretostay13 on June 22, 2009, 12:25:25 PM
natural limit embodied

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LTGqmyO1iOw/SckQrF7mXCI/AAAAAAAAAo0/n2KqUbhZieI/s400/Markus+Rhul+06.jpg)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on June 22, 2009, 12:41:57 PM

How small must YOU be to think that this can't be achieved naturally?

Or if not small, most of your physique must have been built on steroids. You obviously don't have the drive.

do you look similar to all these guys?

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Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 22, 2009, 12:48:24 PM

How small must YOU be to think that this can't be achieved naturally?

Or if not small, most of your physique must have been built on steroids. You obviously don't have the drive.

I'm not superhuge. Here is a picture. On that picture I'm NOT natural and I'm proud of that.  8)

How the hell do you know if I have the drive or not???

BTW I'm sure I both train harder and eat better than you sorry ass!
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 22, 2009, 01:08:28 PM
I could easily lie and say I am natural like most dicks out there. And I could add to that that I only been training 1 year seriously... to get some ahs and wows from the "audience". But I'm not that kind of a fucker. I'm an honest guy. I started training a little when I was 15 at a gym and on that pic I'm 24. Don't know how many years I've trained seriously but probably 5 years+. And I don't know when I juiced up for the first time ... Hm I think I tried some andriol when I was 19. And after that some d-bols. After that I did a few cycles every year. Some of them wasn't very productive. I didn't know so much about gearing up at that time.

Today I like to stay in shape and not be too big. Actually I would love to be huge, but I know what it takes and I'm not willing to go down that path. Smart cycling is the key ...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Vorkosigan on June 22, 2009, 02:06:49 PM
Good post beard, honesty is lacking on the board
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: uberman09 on June 22, 2009, 03:37:48 PM
I could easily lie and say I am natural like most dicks out there. And I could add to that that I only been training 1 year seriously... to get some ahs and wows from the "audience". But I'm not that kind of a fucker. I'm an honest guy. I started training a little when I was 15 at a gym and on that pic I'm 24. Don't know how many years I've trained seriously but probably 5 years+. And I don't know when I juiced up for the first time ... Hm I think I tried some andriol when I was 19. And after that some d-bols. After that I did a few cycles every year. Some of them wasn't very productive. I didn't know so much about gearing up at that time.

Today I like to stay in shape and not be too big. Actually I would love to be huge, but I know what it takes and I'm not willing to go down that path. Smart cycling is the key ...

why would you love to get "huge" exactly?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 22, 2009, 03:39:12 PM
Good post beard, honesty is lacking on the board

Thanx man!
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: disco_stu on June 22, 2009, 03:41:40 PM
I could easily lie and say I am natural like most dicks out there. And I could add to that that I only been training 1 year seriously... to get some ahs and wows from the "audience". But I'm not that kind of a fucker. I'm an honest guy. I started training a little when I was 15 at a gym and on that pic I'm 24. Don't know how many years I've trained seriously but probably 5 years+. And I don't know when I juiced up for the first time ... Hm I think I tried some andriol when I was 19. And after that some d-bols. After that I did a few cycles every year. Some of them wasn't very productive. I didn't know so much about gearing up at that time.

Today I like to stay in shape and not be too big. Actually I would love to be huge, but I know what it takes and I'm not willing to go down that path. Smart cycling is the key ...

i agree, good post. however, whenever i post about my 10 years of training and experience with both natural and drug using BB, complete with the results of every cycle and every measurement, i get cries of BS from tossers here.

same for when i post about my experience observing friends of mine who i used to train and hang with.

BS!!BS!! they cry.

i dont train anymore, have a professional job, family, house, car, great life, and dont need to post for the sake of bragging about how great or not great i once was...i post the complete truth..

but i generally dont bother anymore due to the flak i get from those who perhaps havent had the same results, cant achieve what i did, or dont understand that you can be 250-300lb and not be a pro, or even have a pro/national level physique- or, in fact, dont want to compete.

Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 22, 2009, 03:41:51 PM
why would you love to get "huge" exactly?

Are you joking? Because it feels great to be strong and massive. The bigger you get the better pump you get, it's just feels great to gain and get big.

It's like asking why do you like pizza?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on June 22, 2009, 07:24:03 PM
I'm not superhuge. Here is a picture. On that picture I'm NOT natural and I'm proud of that.  8)

How the hell do you know if I have the drive or not???

BTW I'm sure I both train harder and eat better than you sorry ass!


If you need steroids to get THAT physique then NO WONDER you're so angry at people like Doug Jones who dwarf you naturally. You don't look like you use steroids.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: andreisdaman on June 22, 2009, 07:31:07 PM
the original guy posted is obviously on a MASSIVE dose..he definitely is NOT natural..come on!!!
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: andreisdaman on June 22, 2009, 07:32:29 PM
101% Natural

Supplements Free

All Eggs, Chicken Breast, Garlic & Onions  ;D

2 years Old Pictures, I will update you with the incredible new Development very soon  ;)



BRUTAL PHOTOSHOPPING
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: uberman09 on June 22, 2009, 07:36:29 PM
Are you joking? Because it feels great to be strong and massive. The bigger you get the better pump you get, it's just feels great to gain and get big.

It's like asking why do you like pizza?

 you obviously have no idea why you really want to get "huge". Maybe you should find in your unconscious the reason why you feel so small and insecure no matter how big you get lifting weights.

Hint: the answer is in your past, a trauma.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: andreisdaman on June 22, 2009, 07:37:34 PM
Not if you never come off  8) You'll be big all the time. And things like HGH you never need to come off, and it's not giving you any bad sides. What you gain with GH you pretty much keep even if you would stop




yeah you gain alright...you gain the looks of a neanderthal....with a protruding brow...and large head, hands,and forehead
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: TacoBell on June 22, 2009, 07:37:53 PM

If you need steroids to get THAT physique then NO WONDER you're so angry at people like Doug Jones who dwarf you naturally. You don't look like you use steroids.

Post ur pic already.  For all the talk, u never have.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on June 22, 2009, 07:49:54 PM
Post ur pic already.  For all the talk, u never have.



I'm not very muscular. I'm tall and thin, I'm 6'1" and weigh about 155lbs. However I'm not as young as I used to be either. But I know, for a fact, that most people could achieve the physique of beard's without steroids and with simple hard work.

He needed steroids to reach that physique, and based on this knowledge it is obvious that this is the reason why he is trying to claim that decent natural bodybuilders all use steroids because they are bigger than he is.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on June 22, 2009, 07:51:41 PM
the original guy posted is obviously on a MASSIVE dose..he definitely is NOT natural..come on!!!


He says he is natural, he competes in tested organizations, and people who know him have come here and testified that he is natural. They all say that he lives bodybuilding and has been training for years this way. His diet is immaculate and his routine is flawless.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Jeffro on June 22, 2009, 08:02:45 PM


I'm not very muscular. I'm tall and thin, I'm 6'1" and weigh about 155lbs. However I'm not as young as I used to be either. But I know, for a fact, that most people could achieve the physique of beard's without steroids and with simple hard work.

He needed steroids to reach that physique, and based on this knowledge it is obvious that this is the reason why he is trying to claim that decent natural bodybuilders all use steroids because they are bigger than he is.
Goddamn, that's borderline starving Ethiopian-like size.  :-X

No wonder you say shit about guys like "beard" who look 10 times better than you, you're obviously very jealous of bigger guys with better genetics. 

Also, none of us are "as young as we used to be," that's a pointless statement, and not a good excuse for being a walking stick-man like you.  If you've been working out for a while and are still that puny, maybe it's time to find a new hobby...

Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: uberman09 on June 22, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
Quote
But I know, for a fact, that most people could achieve the physique of beard's without steroids and with simple hard work.

lol...get the fuck out retard.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on June 22, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
Goddamn, that's borderline starving Ethiopian-like size.  :-X

No wonder you say shit about guys like "beard" who look 10 times better than you, you're obviously very jealous of bigger guys with better genetics. 

Also, none of us are "as young as we used to be," that's a pointless statement, and not a good excuse for being a walking stick-man like you.  If you've been working out for a while and are still that puny, maybe it's time to find a new hobby...



Hardwork isn't the issue. No matter how hard I work, I'm never going to be massive because of my age. I'm almost 70 years old right now. How many 70 year olds are more fit than I am? Not many. I might not be a hulking muscle man anymore, but I'm still quite fit and healthy. So age is in fact the most relevant issue in relation to my size.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: garebear on June 22, 2009, 08:35:01 PM
No

Are you in Afghanistan?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Jeffro on June 22, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
Hardwork isn't the issue. No matter how hard I work, I'm never going to be massive because of my age. I'm almost 70 years old right now. How many 70 year olds are more fit than I am? Not many. I might not be a hulking muscle man anymore, but I'm still quite fit and healthy. So age is in fact the most relevant issue in relation to my size.
If you really are that old, your posts sure don't show it.  You act like a bitchy, bickering little child.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: TacoBell on June 22, 2009, 08:57:02 PM
Post ur pic already.  For all the talk, u never have.

so post the pics of when you were younger and you looked that good.
You do realize the even greater irony of saying what is achievable if you couldnt do it yourself.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: dyslexic on June 22, 2009, 08:58:58 PM
I am natural like most dicks out there I'm that kind of fucker.


Cool.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: the_swami on June 22, 2009, 09:01:51 PM
I would buy that this dude is legit natural. Just lean and smallish with good shape. Not 40 extra pounds like the first guy posted.

dont be so naive
you cant get this degree of muscle fullness,hardness+ seperation naturally.
this guy has used steroids in the past

true natural would be al nassak
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 23, 2009, 02:52:19 AM

If you need steroids to get THAT physique then NO WONDER you're so angry at people like Doug Jones who dwarf you naturally. You don't look like you use steroids.

Most people that take steroids don't look like users.... *sigh* Doug Fuck isn't clean.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 23, 2009, 02:57:35 AM
you obviously have no idea why you really want to get "huge". Maybe you should find in your unconscious the reason why you feel so small and insecure no matter how big you get lifting weights.

Hint: the answer is in your past, a trauma.

You are one mother f*cking gibbon ape!! I don't feel small. I'm pretty happy with my size fuck head! I love to get bigger of course, every sane bodybuilder does. It has nothing to do with insecurity. Why are you on Get Big if you don't want to get big...???
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 23, 2009, 03:00:02 AM
You are one mother f*cking gibbon ape!! I don't feel small. I'm pretty happy with my size fuck head! I love to get bigger of course, every sane bodybuilder does. It has nothing to do with insecurity. Why are you on Get Big if you don't want to get big...???

wow, easy there.

You should get some counseling in regard of your insecurity issues, dude.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 23, 2009, 03:01:36 AM

yeah you gain alright...you gain the looks of a neanderthal....with a protruding brow...and large head, hands,and forehead

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. You believe the nonsense they write in the paper. You have to take huge doses for getting that kind of effects. Got friends that's been on 4iu for years. No big hands or feet there.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: webcake on June 23, 2009, 03:07:50 AM
I'm not superhuge. Here is a picture. On that picture I'm NOT natural and I'm proud of that.  8)

How the hell do you know if I have the drive or not???

BTW I'm sure I both train harder and eat better than you sorry ass!

Brutal jean shorts.....
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 23, 2009, 03:08:54 AM
Brutal jean shorts.....

maybe he doesn't train legs?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: webcake on June 23, 2009, 03:11:06 AM
maybe he loves teh cock?

Fixed......and yes, it would appear that way.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 23, 2009, 03:27:31 AM
Brutal jean shorts.....

Thanks man! I made them myself.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: webcake on June 23, 2009, 03:28:14 AM
Thanks man! I made them myself.

No shit.....
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 23, 2009, 03:29:54 AM
No shit.....

i give him 87 posts.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: webcake on June 23, 2009, 03:30:39 AM
i give him 87 posts.

You are being far too kind there, son.....
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 23, 2009, 03:32:23 AM
You are being far too kind there, son.....

Well, a man that makes his own jeans, that's quite the bummer, don't you think?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: webcake on June 23, 2009, 03:34:08 AM
Well, a man that makes his own jeans, that's quite the bummer, don't you think?

Careful now, we don't want our new friend to get the wrong idea here.

Man with homemade shorts...........no doubt about it.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: io856 on June 23, 2009, 03:34:38 AM
Maybe he doesn't believe in buying shorts?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 23, 2009, 03:36:05 AM
Maybe he doesn't believe in buying shorts?

Are you implying that he rather spends his money on steroids than on clothing?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: webcake on June 23, 2009, 03:38:45 AM
Are you implying that he rather spends his money on steroids than on clothing?

Living the dream!!
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 23, 2009, 03:47:31 AM
Are you implying that he rather spends his money on steroids than on clothing?

Acutally yes ... I rather spend my money on roids than clothes  8) Clothes are not that important, who gives a shit about clothes anyway, it just keeps you warm, that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: webcake on June 23, 2009, 03:51:16 AM
Acutally yes ... I rather spend my money on roids than clothes  8) Clothes are not that important, who gives a shit about clothes anyway, it just keeps you warm, that's pretty much it.

What do you do for a living son?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 23, 2009, 03:52:52 AM
What do you do for a living son?

Nothing that requires clothing i would say.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 23, 2009, 04:12:28 AM
What do you do for a living son?

Something good.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on June 23, 2009, 07:30:01 AM
hormonized with good response to minimal doses ,,we consider it natural in today bodybuildign but hormones in system
This time you aren't right. Anyway that year I also pass the doping test. The first and only doping test in my life...  ;D
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: kwri298 on June 23, 2009, 08:08:29 AM
The real question about this thread is not whether the guy is natural or not but why liberalismo keeps posting this guy's picture claiming he is natural.  The is one of at least two threads liberalismo has posted the same exact thing.  liberalismo why not just say that you have a mad crush on this guy instead of posting some bullshit thread that you know is going to get people fired up?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 23, 2009, 08:16:30 AM
The real question about this thread is not whether the guy is natural or not but why liberalismo keeps posting this guy's picture claiming he is natural.  The is one of at least two threads liberalismo has posted the same exact thing.  liberalismo why not just say that you have a mad crush on this guy instead of posting some bullshit thread that you know is going to get people fired up?

Maybe liberalismo is trying to play coy?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Matterhorn on June 23, 2009, 01:51:35 PM
My picture is not about the natural limit...some people with more years of training and with better supplements can achieve a much better physique naturally. So this is why I can't understand when a hobby bodybuilder start using steroids...  ??? Why?

This is me at 18 years old, after 3 years of training, natural. No juice, no fat burners, no diuretic.



(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090621/18.jpg_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)

good comment. couldn't agree more. also appreciate your honesty.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gh15 on June 23, 2009, 02:22:50 PM
trust me friends im never wrong ,,when i say someone used or use they have done so ,,,this all thread remind me the same problem bodybuilding have in general,,,there are bunch of guys all trying to look better than eachother.,,NOTHING WILL STOP THEM FROM LIEING AND DECIEVING THE OTHERS INORDER TO LOOK BETTER,,its always been this way and always will be this way even if good friends which in bodybuildign there are no best friends,,

this pissing matching here about the using of hormones who by they way 9 out of 10 peopel on this board use hormones ,,but this all argument remind me the lies upon lies that go in this industry from lifting technics and piundages to stacks to time being on to the way a product works,,

you still to this day have people who tell that OHHH EQ NEED 12 WEEKS TO SEE EFFECT OHHHH YA YA YA YADA,,THOSE SAME PEOPLE ARE HRE ON THIS THREAD CLAIMING NATURAL STATUS ,,

NO EQ DOESNT TAKE 10 WEEKS TO WORK IT TAKES 7 DAYS TO WORK IT WORK FROM THE FIRST INJECTION YOU MORONS ITS THE POWDER YOU USE THAT ARE FAKE BECAUE EQ IS NOT POWDER AND DOESNT COME IN POWDER FORM ,,IT SMELL LIKE LEATHER SHOE /DENTAL OFFICE SMELL STRONG SMELL NOT  SOME SASAMI OIL WITH LITTLE BEAT TEST BASE AT 30 MG THAT YOU INJECT AND THINK ITS EQ AND TAKE 12 WEEKS TO SEE LITTLE PUMP,,

SAME FOR THE NATURAL HERE,,THERE ARE NONE!

gh15 approved
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 23, 2009, 02:45:13 PM
good comment. couldn't agree more. also appreciate your honesty.

Makes me sad to see the naivety of you and others here.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: pellius on June 23, 2009, 02:50:53 PM
Hardwork isn't the issue. No matter how hard I work, I'm never going to be massive because of my age. I'm almost 70 years old right now. How many 70 year olds are more fit than I am? Not many. I might not be a hulking muscle man anymore, but I'm still quite fit and healthy. So age is in fact the most relevant issue in relation to my size.

Props to you, liberalismo! In America, just not being a fat pig puts you head and tails above the rest -- especially when a person start to get in their 30s and even way more so in their 40s.

Closing in on 70 and still training is incredible! And most people a decade younger than you consider going for a walk as exercise forget about picking up so iron. I look at people nowadays in their late 50s early 60s and some can barely even walk.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on June 23, 2009, 05:21:55 PM
Makes me sad to see the naivety of you and others here.
For my eyes I looked like shit at 18 years old (the picture above). For your eyes that physique looks pretty good...so you think I wasn't natural. No problem. We're different. For me: shit. For you: good.

But did see yet my next years pics ('steve namat at 18' thread)? Something happened...  ::)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on June 23, 2009, 05:53:19 PM
For my eyes I looked like shit at 18 years old (the picture above). For your eyes that physique looks pretty good...so you think I wasn't natural. No problem. We're different. For me: shit. For you: good.

But did see yet my next years pics ('steve namat at 18' thread)? Something happened...  ::)

If you think that is a shitty natural physique at the age of 18 that tells us something... ::)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on June 23, 2009, 05:58:08 PM
If you think that is a shitty natural physique at the age of 18 that tells us something... ::)
I meant that I could look much better with drugs...see next year's pics...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 25, 2009, 04:55:21 AM
If you think that is a shitty natural physique at the age of 18 that tells us something... ::)

Are you saying Steve is a lying little cockwit?

Him "natural" probably means only orals and no hgh.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Deicide on June 25, 2009, 05:02:16 AM
This appears to be the natural limit:

Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 25, 2009, 05:09:09 AM
I have to consent and admit that I was wrong about Groink being a juicer. What was I thinking judging him just from a poor pic of his upper back hidden under a sweatshirt? Doggcrapproved 260lb natural right here!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286136.0;attach=326805;image)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Deicide on June 25, 2009, 05:10:25 AM
I have to consent and admit that I was wrong about Groink being a juicer. What was I thinking judging him just from a poor pic of his upper back hidden under a sweatshirt? Doggcrapproved 260lb natural right here!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286136.0;attach=326805;image)

He could be a member of Team Elite Genetics...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 25, 2009, 05:11:01 AM
I have to consent and admit that I was wrong about Groink being a juicer. What was I thinking judging him just from a poor pic of his upper back hidden under a sweatshirt? Doggcrapproved 260lb natural right here!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286136.0;attach=326805;image)

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mars on June 25, 2009, 05:13:09 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/9ripuq.jpg)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 25, 2009, 05:33:27 AM
Here's Swede's 100% all natural friend

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj318/StiFFtheSwede/Bilder till blogbildspel/DSC_0555copy.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj318/StiFFtheSwede/Bilder till blogbildspel/DSC_0959copy.jpg)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 25, 2009, 05:36:05 AM
Wow, he's a sailor!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: TacoBell on June 25, 2009, 10:05:44 AM
This time you aren't right. Anyway that year I also pass the doping test. The first and only doping test in my life...  ;D

U have gyno in that pic.  ::)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Palpatine Q on June 25, 2009, 10:09:02 AM
He could be a member of Team Elite Genetics...

Member?

I'm the fucking captain
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: BIG ACH on June 25, 2009, 07:32:11 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)

Oh god, here we go again!

Thats Doug Miller - www.dougmillerpro.com 

He's a very old friend of mine, and he's definitely natural, and that picture is not photoshopped (That picture does him no justice - he's way bigger in person!)


Jeez, this will never end.  The guys has NEVER failed a drug test, piss test, lie detector, blood test, etc.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 26, 2009, 08:10:55 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)

Oh god, here we go again!

Thats Doug Miller - www.dougmillerpro.com 

He's a very old friend of mine, and he's definitely natural, and that picture is not photoshopped (That picture does him no justice - he's way bigger in person!)


Jeez, this will never end.  The guys has NEVER failed a drug test, piss test, lie detector, blood test, etc.

He's probably never taken a drug test either ...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 26, 2009, 08:13:45 AM
BTW you mofo, how many of people using get stuck in drug tests ... almost none ...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: BIG ACH on June 26, 2009, 09:33:54 AM
He's probably never taken a drug test either ...

He has - I was there!  I've jumped in and tried to fight this in the other post about him, but I won't even bother this time - Doug's read this post and he is laughing about i!
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: DK II on June 26, 2009, 09:40:11 AM
Very solid natural physique there, a little too soft maybe.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Fatpanda on June 26, 2009, 10:10:24 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)

Oh god, here we go again!

Thats Doug Miller - www.dougmillerpro.com 

He's a very old friend of mine, and he's definitely natural, and that picture is not photoshopped (That picture does him no justice - he's way bigger in person!)


Jeez, this will never end.  The guys has NEVER failed a drug test, piss test, lie detector, blood test, etc.

 ::)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on June 26, 2009, 10:28:01 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)

Oh god, here we go again!

Thats Doug Miller - www.dougmillerpro.com 

He's a very old friend of mine, and he's definitely natural, and that picture is not photoshopped (That picture does him no justice - he's way bigger in person!)


Jeez, this will never end.  The guys has NEVER failed a drug test, piss test, lie detector, blood test, etc.

 :D
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: BIG ACH on June 26, 2009, 12:10:29 PM

I wish there was a "fuck you" smiley - I would use it right now LOL!

Believe whatever you guys want, and I'll go on believing what I want!


I'm out!
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: The Showstoppa on June 26, 2009, 12:12:12 PM
Your "friend" is a good cheater.  Maybe he could sell his secrets on ebay.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Dredlock Rasta on June 26, 2009, 12:28:07 PM
For my eyes I looked like shit at 18 years old (the picture above). For your eyes that physique looks pretty good...so you think I wasn't natural. No problem. We're different. For me: shit. For you: good.

But did see yet my next years pics ('steve namat at 18' thread)? Something happened...  ::)


What could you have improved on?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: beard on June 26, 2009, 06:00:03 PM
I wish there was a "fuck you" smiley - I would use it right now LOL!

Believe whatever you guys want, and I'll go on believing what I want!

I'm out!

Sure believe in Santa Claus ... I won't stop you ...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Alexander D on December 27, 2009, 06:24:46 PM
I believe this doug miller guy is "natural"... he admits to using all kinds of "natural test boosters" and all kinds of other OTC pro hormones and supplements. so i dont see why people have a hard time believing he doesnt use testosterone cyp, anadrol or whatever?

im sure the pro hormones are reasonably useful and work to a certain extent. I just question the safety of such drugs. Any moron can start a supplement company and put whatever they want into a bottle and sell it to the general public without the FDA having any say about the safety... Who knows if these chemicals are carcinogenic or not, or cause long term health problems... at least with real steroids, there is some track record and history.

To each their own.

-A DUB
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: body88 on December 27, 2009, 07:22:15 PM
I believe this doug miller guy is "natural"... he admits to using all kinds of "natural test boosters" and all kinds of other OTC pro hormones and supplements. so i dont see why people have a hard time believing he doesnt use testosterone cyp, anadrol or whatever?

im sure the pro hormones are reasonably useful and work to a certain extent. I just question the safety of such drugs. Any moron can start a supplement company and put whatever they want into a bottle and sell it to the general public without the FDA having any say about the safety... Who knows if these chemicals are carcinogenic or not, or cause long term health problems... at least with real steroids, there is some track record and history.

To each their own.

-A DUB


Fyi, that's not natural  ::)  

This guy has some of the best genetics I've ever seen.  This is what he looked like while on the show surviver...no weights little food:
(http://coldleftovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/survivor-james-clement-survivor-china.jpg)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: BIG ACH on December 27, 2009, 07:24:47 PM
I believe this doug miller guy is "natural"... he admits to using all kinds of "natural test boosters" and all kinds of other OTC pro hormones and supplements. so i dont see why people have a hard time believing he doesnt use testosterone cyp, anadrol or whatever?

im sure the pro hormones are reasonably useful and work to a certain extent. I just question the safety of such drugs. Any moron can start a supplement company and put whatever they want into a bottle and sell it to the general public without the FDA having any say about the safety... Who knows if these chemicals are carcinogenic or not, or cause long term health problems... at least with real steroids, there is some track record and history.

To each their own.

-A DUB

Doug never admitted to using "all kinds of pro hormones"  all he said was taht he tried them once in the past!
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: jaejonna on December 27, 2009, 07:30:21 PM
lol good work BIG ACH we need to bust these pretenders in their foolprints hhahah
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: 3Dkiller on December 27, 2009, 07:33:46 PM
natural my ass
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: jaejonna on December 27, 2009, 07:36:49 PM
natural my ass
As natural a dog fuckin a beach towel
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 27, 2009, 09:51:17 PM
My picture is not about the natural limit...some people with more years of training and with better supplements can achieve a much better physique naturally. So this is why I can't understand when a hobby bodybuilder start using steroids...  ??? Why?

This is me at 18 years old, after 3 years of training, natural. No juice, no fat burners, no diuretic.



(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/090621/18.jpg_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)

You're not very smart are you Namat? You will probably stay broke and poor for the rest of your life if you cant figure out why people who arent pro bodybuilders would use steroids. Most guys lift weights to impress females not a pro bodybuilding judges. Many guys have real jobs and cant spend as much time in the gym as a guy like you and staying natural on such a schedule would limit gains and limit pussy.




To most people with an iq over 90, it is rediculous that someone like you would juice to win a trophy and impress other bodybuilders, yet have a body that 99% of men and women think is disgusting.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 27, 2009, 10:19:51 PM

He says he is natural, he competes in tested organizations, and people who know him have come here and testified that he is natural. They all say that he lives bodybuilding and has been training for years this way. His diet is immaculate and his routine is flawless.

drug testing is a joke, you should know this. There are many compounds you can take and stop three days befor testing and piss clean. I bet half the people on here could get 4-5 people to come on the boards and claim they know them to be a life long natural. Hell almost everyone outside my closests friends thinks Im natural and only take protien. You are seriously Nieve man.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gcb on December 27, 2009, 10:51:01 PM
haha - a lot of jealous haters in this thread.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on December 28, 2009, 06:08:39 AM
To most people with an iq over 90, it is rediculous that someone like you would juice to win a trophy and impress other bodybuilders, yet have a body that 99% of men and women think is disgusting.
Yeah it's much better to use steroids just because of your ego, your buddies and because of the girls...

HUUUUGE goal!


 ::)


Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Determinator on December 28, 2009, 06:09:22 AM
Yeah it's much better to use steroids just because of your ego, your buddies and because of the girls...

HUUUUGE goal!


 ::)



Z-lister. Nobody.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: MAXX on December 28, 2009, 06:13:04 AM
Here's Swede's 100% all natural friend

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj318/StiFFtheSwede/Bilder till blogbildspel/DSC_0555copy.jpg)

(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj318/StiFFtheSwede/Bilder till blogbildspel/DSC_0959copy.jpg)
natural g4p artist maybe
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on December 28, 2009, 06:13:53 AM
Z-lister. Nobody.
Kid, go back to the non-bodybuilding threads...

 :-*
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on December 28, 2009, 06:16:13 AM
natural g4p artist maybe
Juicer who isn't good enough = natural...

Funny!

 ;D
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Determinator on December 28, 2009, 06:16:36 AM
Kid, go back to the non-bodybuilding threads...

 :-*
Z-lister. Always a nobody, always will be. Discuss your 'great' IFBB 'achievements' to date. We can then ascertain you alphabetic status- Z or otherwise.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on December 28, 2009, 06:20:48 AM
Z-lister. Always a nobody, always will be. Discuss your 'great' IFBB 'achievements' to date. We can then ascertain you alphabetic status- Z or otherwise.
;D

At 26 I didn't achieve anything great yet...but here you are...


Contest History:

2002 (Age 19)

IFBB Hungarian National Championship
Junior under 80 kg 1st Place

Superbody Championship (the second biggest hungarian contest)
Junior under 175 cm 1st Place


2003 (Age 20)

IFBB Hungarian National Championship
Under 80 kg 1st Place

Superbody Championship
Junior and Junior-Novice-Open Overall Winner

Night of Hungarian Bodybuilding Champions
Under 85 kg 2nd Place


2004 (Age 21)

IFBB Hungarian National Championship
Under 87.5 kg and Overall Winner

Superbody Grand Prix
Overall Winner


Night of Hungarian Bodybuilding Champions
Under 85 kg 1st Place


2006 (Age 23)

NPC Border States Classic (Anaheim, CA)
Light-heavyweight and Overall Winner


IFBB PRO contest history:

2007


IFBB-Montreal Pro-12th place (Age 23)

IFBB-Santa Susanna Pro-15th place (Age 24)


2008 (Age 24)

IFBB-Tampa Bay Pro-6th place (202)

IFBB-Europa Super Show (Dallas)-11th place (202)


2009 (Age 25)

IFBB-Jacksonville Pro-5th place (202)

IFBB-Tampa Bay Pro-4th place (202)
.
.
.
.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Determinator on December 28, 2009, 06:22:38 AM
;D

At 26 I didn't achieve anything great yet...but here you are...


Contest History:

2002 (Age 19)

IFBB Hungarian National Championship
Junior under 80 kg 1st Place

Superbody Championship (the second biggest hungarian contest)
Junior under 175 cm 1st Place


2003 (Age 20)

IFBB Hungarian National Championship
Under 80 kg 1st Place

Superbody Championship
Junior and Junior-Novice-Open Overall Winner

Night of Hungarian Bodybuilding Champions
Under 85 kg 2nd Place


2004 (Age 21)

IFBB Hungarian National Championship
Under 87.5 kg and Overall Winner

Superbody Grand Prix
Overall Winner


Night of Hungarian Bodybuilding Champions
Under 85 kg 1st Place


2006 (Age 23)

NPC Border States Classic (Anaheim, CA)
Light-heavyweight and Overall Winner


IFBB PRO contest history:

2007


IFBB-Montreal Pro-12th place (Age 23)

IFBB-Santa Susanna Pro-15th place (Age 24)


2008 (Age 24)

IFBB-Tampa Bay Pro-6th place (202)

IFBB-Europa Super Show (Dallas)-11th place (202)


2009 (Age 25)

IFBB-Jacksonville Pro-5th place (202)

IFBB-Tampa Bay Pro-4th place (202)
.
.
.
.
"At 26 I didn't achieve anything great yet"

Indeed, your own comment just about sums it up.
Z-List.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: njflex on December 28, 2009, 06:23:18 AM
;D

At 26 I didn't achieve anything great yet...but here you are...


Contest History:

2002 (Age 19)

IFBB Hungarian National Championship
Junior under 80 kg 1st Place

Superbody Championship (the second biggest hungarian contest)
Junior under 175 cm 1st Place


2003 (Age 20)

IFBB Hungarian National Championship
Under 80 kg 1st Place

Superbody Championship
Junior and Junior-Novice-Open Overall Winner

Night of Hungarian Bodybuilding Champions
Under 85 kg 2nd Place


2004 (Age 21)

IFBB Hungarian National Championship
Under 87.5 kg and Overall Winner

Superbody Grand Prix
Overall Winner


Night of Hungarian Bodybuilding Champions
Under 85 kg 1st Place


2006 (Age 23)

NPC Border States Classic (Anaheim, CA)
Light-heavyweight and Overall Winner


IFBB PRO contest history:

2007


IFBB-Montreal Pro-12th place (Age 23)

IFBB-Santa Susanna Pro-15th place (Age 24)


2008 (Age 24)

IFBB-Tampa Bay Pro-6th place (202)

IFBB-Europa Super Show (Dallas)-11th place (202)


2009 (Age 25)

IFBB-Jacksonville Pro-5th place (202)

IFBB-Tampa Bay Pro-4th place (202)
.
.
.
.
very good.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on December 28, 2009, 06:24:35 AM
"At 26 I didn't achieve anything great yet"

Indeed, your own comment just about sums it up.
Z-List.
I'll come back when I can stop crying...

 :D
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on December 28, 2009, 06:25:43 AM
very good.
(in tears) Thank you!

 ;)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Determinator on December 28, 2009, 06:26:57 AM
I'll come back when I can stop crying...

 :D
Reality deems that you are destined for typical mediocre places in the small mans' division. If that is what makes you happy, then good luck to you. If you claim to be anything other than a nobody bodybuilder that will forever populate the Z list, then you are clearly delusional.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: njflex on December 28, 2009, 06:32:45 AM
Reality deems that you are destined for typical mediocre places in the small mans' division. If that is what makes you happy, then good luck to you. If you claim to be anything other than a nobody bodybuilder that will forever populate the Z list, then you are clearly delusional.
as long as he brings his best on stage which in fact he has done numerous times already,the fact is if your basing it on wins or contest winnings money wise that may or may not elude him,what he needs is a good supplement contact to help get his name out more,physique wise steve has a great build there is no way around that,he needs money to bring his best on stage.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Red Hook on December 28, 2009, 06:35:40 AM
First this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286539.0;attach=326773;image)

Oh god, here we go again!

Thats Doug Miller - www.dougmillerpro.com 

He's a very old friend of mine, and he's definitely natural, and that picture is not photoshopped (That picture does him no justice - he's way bigger in person!)


Jeez, this will never end.  The guys has NEVER failed a drug test, piss test, lie detector, blood test, etc.


then this:
Doug never admitted to using "all kinds of pro hormones"  all he said was taht he tried them once in the past!

 ::)  ::)

did he try 1 time only or 1 cycle?  and what was it that he admitted to using?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Determinator on December 28, 2009, 06:37:02 AM
as long as he brings his best on stage which in fact he has done numerous times already,the fact is if your basing it on wins or contest winnings money wise that may or may not elude him,what he needs is a good supplement contact to help get his name out more,physique wise steve has a great build there is no way around that,he needs money to bring his best on stage.

"what he needs is a good supplement contact to help get his name out more"
He is in dreamland. He has an average physique which isn't nearly as 'good' as he thinks that it is. He attains a few Micky Mouse placing in small mans' shows. He is a Z-lister that won't ever reach the dizzy heights of the Y list.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: njflex on December 28, 2009, 06:41:47 AM
"what he needs is a good supplement contact to help get his name out more"
He is in dreamland. He has an average physique which isn't nearly as 'good' as he thinks that it is. He attains a few Micky Mouse placing in small mans' shows. He is a Z-lister that won't ever reach the dizzy heights of the Y list.
whats avg about his build?that he dosen't look like cutler,or as big as branch .they are close in height.what is it?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Determinator on December 28, 2009, 06:45:08 AM
whats avg about his build?that he dosen't look like cutler,or as big as branch .they are close in height.what is it?
Ask the judges that place him at the Mickey Mouse small man's shows that he 'competes' in.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on December 28, 2009, 12:06:07 PM
Kid, go back to the non-bodybuilding threads...

 :-*

Hi onlyme
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: liberalismo on December 29, 2009, 11:04:47 AM

Fyi, that's not natural  ::)  

This guy has some of the best genetics I've ever seen.  This is what he looked like while on the show surviver...no weights little food:
(http://coldleftovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/survivor-james-clement-survivor-china.jpg)


Jeeze. If you are impressed by this, I feel sorry for you.

Anyone who is a REAL WEIGHTLIFTER who has been lifting weights more than 5 years can have this physique if stranded on an Island with little food and forced to do physically demanding activities daily. I think that most real weight lifters or bodybuilders who have been at it at least a 5 years could have this physique if they didn't have much food for a few weeks.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: body88 on December 29, 2009, 11:28:53 AM

Jeeze. If you are impressed by this, I feel sorry for you.

Anyone who is a REAL WEIGHTLIFTER who has been lifting weights more than 5 years can have this physique if stranded on an Island with little food and forced to do physically demanding activities daily. I think that most real weight lifters or bodybuilders who have been at it at least a 5 years could have this physique if they didn't have much food for a few weeks.

Post a picture and show us all how much better you look (not living on a dessert Island).  You're right, being 190-200, shredded, with no food and little water is no biggie.  Not to mention the guy is a gravedigger and thats how he gets his exercise.  No gym.

You can tell by the guys shape and condition that he has very good genetics.  Imagine if he ate correctly and trained like a bodybuilder?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on December 29, 2009, 01:24:03 PM
Hardwork isn't the issue. No matter how hard I work, I'm never going to be massive because of my age. I'm almost 70 years old right now. How many 70 year olds are more fit than I am? Not many. I might not be a hulking muscle man anymore, but I'm still quite fit and healthy. So age is in fact the most relevant issue in relation to my size.

Can't be bothered reading past here.

This is proof people do not get smarter with age. How do you fucks go through life? Do you think about what you are doing? You got to 70 and you are still fucking stupid, or maybe you were even worse when you were younger?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Alexander D on December 29, 2009, 05:34:45 PM
Doug never admitted to using "all kinds of pro hormones"  all he said was taht he tried them once in the past!

hahaha "Tried them once in the past"... no, the DIRECT quote from his youtube video was "I've tried every natural test booster on the market..."

I bet you've only smoked pot once and never inhaled also dog...

-A DUB
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gcb on December 29, 2009, 05:38:47 PM

Jeeze. If you are impressed by this, I feel sorry for you.

Anyone who is a REAL WEIGHTLIFTER who has been lifting weights more than 5 years can have this physique if stranded on an Island with little food and forced to do physically demanding activities daily. I think that most real weight lifters or bodybuilders who have been at it at least a 5 years could have this physique if they didn't have much food for a few weeks.

That's a good physique - as far as getting the girls, that is all you need.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 29, 2009, 05:43:11 PM
hahaha "Tried them once in the past"... no, the DIRECT quote from his youtube video was "I've tried every natural test booster on the market..."

I bet you've only smoked pot once and never inhaled also dog...

-A DUB

That leads me to believe the guy is full of shit.

 I would bet money his cupboard is loaded to the gills with every PH known to man, cuz their "legal"  ::) ::)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Alexander D on December 29, 2009, 05:47:19 PM
That leads me to believe the guy is full of shit.

 I would bet money his cupboard is loaded to the gills with every PH known to man, cuz their "legal"  ::) ::)




"natural" anabolic... "precontest stacks" lol

total joke.

-A DUB
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Alexander D on December 29, 2009, 05:50:52 PM
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 29, 2009, 06:52:05 PM
Yeah it's much better to use steroids just because of your ego, your buddies and because of the girls...

HUUUUGE goal!


 ::)





Here is what your feeble mind does not understand. Your goal to impress a panel of judges is not a goal that 99% of the public would want to achieve even if they could. The chance of getting laid by one good looking girl is a better reason to juice for 99% of the public than juicing in order to win a plastic trophy in a sport with no money and of which no one cares about. You are a pro for gods sake and you are broke. Do you relize how pathetic that is? What a great goal! get juiced to the gills and be broke and repulse 99.9% of the female population. What an awesome idea.

Im going to break it down even more so everyone even those of limited intelligence (Steve Namat) will understand what I am saying.
Most girls like a athletic physique around 200-220 lbs depending on your height.
So hitting the gym about 4 times a week and spending 200-300$ and using a bit of test and deca, or winny ect can increase your chances of getting laid dramatically. Most Men enjoy getting laid so this would make sense as a reason to juice.

On the contrary we have the Steve Namat approach of spending thousands of dollars on gear to the point where you are broke in order to impress a panel of judges and schmoes and win a plastic trophy.


To each their own but I think it is obvious to all but you Steve why it makes more sense to juice to pick up bitches than to impress bodybuilding judges.

Obviously it makes the most sense to juice for a sport in which millions of dollars are at stake. But for pro bodybuilding, where you admit you are broke? Wake up Steve. Its not too late to pick a different career and maybe turn a profit for all your hard work.









Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: body88 on December 29, 2009, 06:58:59 PM
That's a good physique - as far as getting the girls, that is all you need.

Keep in mind that guy does not workout (in a gym with weights), or with weights at all.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: gcb on December 29, 2009, 07:03:10 PM

Here is what your feeble mind does not understand. Your goal to impress a panel of judges is not a goal that 99% of the public would want to achieve even if they could. The chance of getting laid by one good looking girl is a better reason to juice for 99% of the public than juicing in order to win a plastic trophy in a sport with no money and of which no one cares about. You are a pro for gods sake and you are broke. Do you relize how pathetic that is? What a great goal! get juiced to the gills and be broke and repulse 99.9% of the female population. What an awesome idea.

Im going to break it down even more so everyone even those of limited intelligence (Steve Namat) will understand what I am saying.
Most girls like a athletic physique around 200-220 lbs depending on your height.
So hitting the gym about 4 times a week and spending 200-300$ and using a bit of test and deca, or winny ect can increase your chances of getting laid dramatically. Most Men enjoy getting laid so this would make sense as a reason to juice.

On the contrary we have the Steve Namat approach of spending thousands of dollars on gear to the point where you are broke in order to impress a panel of judges and schmoes and win a plastic trophy.


To each their own but I think it is obvious to all but you Steve why it makes more sense to juice to pick up bitches than to impress bodybuilding judges.

Obviously it makes the most sense to juice for a sport in which millions of dollars are at stake. But for pro bodybuilding, where you admit you are broke? Wake up Steve. Its not too late to pick a different career and maybe turn a profit for all your hard work.











I'd set that ideal weight range at 180 to 200 personally. Once you start getting over 200 I think you can look "fat" in clothes. Of course it's all dependent on height.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 29, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
I'd set that ideal weight range at 180 to 200 personally. Once you start getting over 200 I think you can look "fat" in clothes. Of course it's all dependent on height.

personally I think I got the most attention from girls when I was 200-205 at my height of 5'10. When I got heavier like 225 It had a detrimental effect. 225 at 6'3 6'4 would be ok I think.
As for my post above, Im not saying juicing to pick up chicks is a great Idea, Im sayin it is clearly a better idea to to a few cycles to try to increas your chances with woman, than to get juiced to the gills to impress a panel of bodybuilding judges while at the same time repulsing 99% of femals. Namat cant understand this, and wonders why he is broke. I gaurentee with a mind like his he will stay broke his entire life if he keeps "livin the dream" and remains a pro bodybuilder. His wife will get sick of being poor and relize she was better off in Hungary and leave him withing 2 years. All woman say money isnt important but cant stand being poor very long.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 29, 2009, 07:36:16 PM
personally I think I got the most attention from girls when I was 200-205 at my height of 5'10. When I got heavier like 225 It had a detrimental effect. 225 at 6'3 6'4 would be ok I think.
As for my post above, Im not saying juicing to pick up chicks is a great Idea, Im sayin it is clearly a better idea to to a few cycles to try to increas your chances with woman, than to get juiced to the gills to impress a panel of bodybuilding judges while at the same time repulsing 99% of femals. Namat cant understand this, and wonders why he is broke. I gaurentee with a mind like his he will stay broke his entire life if he keeps "livin the dream" and remains a pro bodybuilder. His wife will get sick of being poor and relize she was better off in Hungary and leave him withing 2 years. All woman say money isnt important but cant stand being poor very long.

I'm 260 and i have no problem with women. seriously, not being a bragging douche. I think there are PLENTY of women that like very big dudes...i live it every day
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: body88 on December 29, 2009, 07:44:31 PM
I'm 260 and i have no problem with women. seriously, not being a bragging douche. I think there are PLENTY of women that like very big dudes...i live it every day

True, but I bet that your a big guy in general right?  I'm sure you'd be around 220 if you didn't work out.  I think its all a matter of proportion.  If your 260, but a big guy, women like that.  Now if your meant to be 200 (like me) and you harmonize up to 250 you might look weird.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: BIG ACH on December 29, 2009, 08:03:31 PM
True, but I bet that your a big guy in general right?  I'm sure you'd be around 220 if you didn't work out.  I think its all a matter of proportion.  If your 260, but a big guy, women like that.  Now if your meant to be 200 (like me) and you harmonize up to 250 you might look weird.

I disagree, I think i'm meant to be around 190 or so, but I hover at around 230 right now, and I've been as high up as 265, can't really say I had any problems.  Now I'm married so it doesn't really matter anymore lol :-)

I think it just differs from person to person, also has to do with personality and game (and money), I've seen some SERIOUSLY UGLY dudes mac some incredibly hot women!  So you never know!
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Palpatine Q on December 29, 2009, 08:08:31 PM
True, but I bet that your a big guy in general right?  I'm sure you'd be around 220 if you didn't work out.  I think its all a matter of proportion.  If your 260, but a big guy, women like that.  Now if your meant to be 200 (like me) and you harmonize up to 250 you might look weird.

It makes sense.... What i hear from women is "you're really big, but you don't look stupid. it looks nice on you"
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: TacoBell on December 29, 2009, 08:12:04 PM
I look stupid big when Im big.  Goin for the health look these days.  :)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on December 29, 2009, 08:25:30 PM

Here is what your feeble mind does not understand. Your goal to impress a panel of judges is not a goal that 99% of the public would want to achieve even if they could. The chance of getting laid by one good looking girl is a better reason to juice for 99% of the public than juicing in order to win a plastic trophy in a sport with no money and of which no one cares about. You are a pro for gods sake and you are broke. Do you relize how pathetic that is? What a great goal! get juiced to the gills and be broke and repulse 99.9% of the female population. What an awesome idea.

Im going to break it down even more so everyone even those of limited intelligence (Steve Namat) will understand what I am saying.
Most girls like a athletic physique around 200-220 lbs depending on your height.
So hitting the gym about 4 times a week and spending 200-300$ and using a bit of test and deca, or winny ect can increase your chances of getting laid dramatically. Most Men enjoy getting laid so this would make sense as a reason to juice.

On the contrary we have the Steve Namat approach of spending thousands of dollars on gear to the point where you are broke in order to impress a panel of judges and schmoes and win a plastic trophy.


To each their own but I think it is obvious to all but you Steve why it makes more sense to juice to pick up bitches than to impress bodybuilding judges.

Obviously it makes the most sense to juice for a sport in which millions of dollars are at stake. But for pro bodybuilding, where you admit you are broke? Wake up Steve. Its not too late to pick a different career and maybe turn a profit for all your hard work.
We have our opinions and both are true...but we have a different point of view...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 29, 2009, 08:29:39 PM
I'm 260 and i have no problem with women. seriously, not being a bragging douche. I think there are PLENTY of women that like very big dudes...i live it every day


Sure you can get laid. Its personality/charm that mean the most by a long shot. A fat guy with good charm will get more pussy than a chisled 6'0 200 lbs buy with no game.

The point is 99% of women prefer the athletic look to the bodybuilder look. I never said a bodybuilder couldnt get laid or even be a stud.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 29, 2009, 08:31:39 PM
We have our opinions and both are true...but we have a different point of view...


Indeed we do, and I wouldnt have called you feeble minded but you said you were baffled by why anyone who doesnt compete in pro bodybuilding would use steroids, and the answer is painfully obvious.

if you enjoy bodybuilding or lawn darts or whatever, then good for you doing what makes you happy.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Alexander D on December 29, 2009, 09:11:09 PM
Its nice to see you two kiss and make up (no homo)

-A DUB
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 08:40:25 AM
Its nice to see you two kiss and make up (no homo)

-A DUB

Perhaps I was a little too abbrasive and harsh on the guy. I guess I kinda feel sorry for him because I know what he does takes a lot of hard work and dedication and he is broke as a pro. Something is terribly wrong with that picture. Even a minor league hockey player makes a good living like 150-200k a year and Namat has been a pro for a number of years now at the highest level of the sport. I think he should be better rewarded for the amount of dedication and work he has put it.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: njflex on December 30, 2009, 08:43:33 AM
Perhaps I was a little too abbrasive and harsh on the guy. I guess I kinda feel sorry for him because I know what he does takes a lot of hard work and dedication and he is broke as a pro. Something is terribly wrong with that picture. Even a minor league hockey player makes a good living like 150-200k a year and Namat has been a pro for a number of years now at the highest level of the sport. I think he should be better rewarded for the amount of dedication and work he has put it.
exactly...
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 11:00:12 AM
exactly...

Im not going to knock him anymore, and his work ethic is top notch, it is just totally baffling to me someone would continue to put that much work and dedication into someting and actually LOSE money. Not even break even. That is insanity to me, something so demanding as being a pro bodybuilder and gaining no fame and no fortune.  Think of how far ahead in life you would be had you put all the energy into something like getting an education? You could still have a good body and have thousands in the bank.

Namat you are 26, you are still young why not transfer the drive and work ethic you had for bodybuilding into something more profitable and rewarding. Are you athletic? Do you play any sports? Thought about going back to school, maybe for kinesiology or sports medicine?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: njflex on December 30, 2009, 11:58:20 AM
Im not going to knock him anymore, and his work ethic is top notch, it is just totally baffling to me someone would continue to put that much work and dedication into someting and actually LOSE money. Not even break even. That is insanity to me, something so demanding as being a pro bodybuilder and gaining no fame and no fortune.  Think of how far ahead in life you would be had you put all the energy into something like getting an education? You could still have a good body and have thousands in the bank.

Namat you are 26, you are still young why not transfer the drive and work ethic you had for bodybuilding into something more profitable and rewarding. Are you athletic? Do you play any sports? Thought about going back to school, maybe for kinesiology or sports medicine?
ALL I CAN SAY IS U BROUGHT UP SOME GREAT POINTS HERE....TOUGH CALL ,HE'S TRYING AND U LOSE MOMENTUM IF THE JUDGES DON'T SEE OR HERE FROM U ENOUGH.EITHER WAY GUY HAS GREAT BUILD.AT WHAT COST THATS HIS DECISION TO PONDER..
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 12:07:56 PM
ALL I CAN SAY IS U BROUGHT UP SOME GREAT POINTS HERE....TOUGH CALL ,HE'S TRYING AND U LOSE MOMENTUM IF THE JUDGES DON'T SEE OR HERE FROM U ENOUGH.EITHER WAY GUY HAS GREAT BUILD.AT WHAT COST THATS HIS DECISION TO PONDER..

In all honesty I do not know what degree of intellect Namat posseses, I called him a schlub just based on him finding it absured anyone other than a pro would juice and that was uncalled for on my part. I have always though and believe academic prowess is 30-35% intellectual ability and 65-70% work ethic ( meaning disipline with study habits, homework, meeting deadlines, not partying the day befor an exam ect). Namat obviously has work ethic, disipline and drive. If he is even slightly above average in smarts there is no reason why he couldnt persue a career in a something like sports medicine , kinisiology or the like. At 26 Steve you are still very young, hell there has never been a better time to go back to school with our economy in the shape it is, both here in Canada and state side. There are tons of people going back to school in there mid 30's and even older. Something you should at least consider man.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: MAXX on December 30, 2009, 12:19:25 PM

On the contrary we have the Steve Namat approach of spending thousands of dollars on gear to the point where you are broke in order to impress a panel of judges and schmoes and win a plastic trophy.

I think for him it's more about achieving childhood dream of being a top pro bb. and respect from his peers (other bodybuilders) not judges.

to be fair to Namat..
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on December 30, 2009, 12:27:32 PM
who care about what look women supposedly want? 

if a woman maintains a relationship with you, your looks are the last reason for her sticking around

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 12:28:58 PM
who care about what look women supposedly want?  

if a woman maintains a relationship with you, your looks are the last reason for her sticking around

E


Spoken like a true homo. "who cares what women want" LOL are you serious? All joking aside, the main reason people start working out whether you or I, or anyone likes it or not is to impress the opposite sex.

And do you really think when a guys is out at the beach or a club trying to get laid he is thinking about a long term relationship with a girl? Surely in long term relationships looks are not the reason it stays together but they played a huge part in why they first came together. There is always an initial attraction and a nice body certainly helps with that.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on December 30, 2009, 12:40:47 PM

Spoken like a true homo. "who cares what women want" LOL are you serious? All joking aside, the main reason people start working out whether you or I, or anyone likes it or not is to impress the opposite sex.

And do you really think when a guys is out at the beach or a club trying to get laid he is thinking about a long term relationship with a girl? Surely in long term relationships looks are not the reason it stays together but they played a huge part in why they first came together. There is always an initial attraction and a nice body certainly helps with that.

spoken like a true geek that knows nothing about women

no shit guys work out for women and obviously it helps initially, that's it it gets your foot in the door nothing more

you will never finds a woman that stayed with a guy because "he's hot", heck if you sound like a loser in the club you won't even have a one night stand

always laugh when i hear these geeks say "how the hell did he get her" THE LAST THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS LOOKS

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Steve Namat on December 30, 2009, 12:45:29 PM
It's good to see that slowly but surely everybody will realize on this board that I'm good guy, a very positive thinker, a hard working pro bodybuilder...who unfortunately born to the wrong place but trying to do everything he can to achieve his dreams.

Thank you guys!

Anyway I just started a new life with my wife from the bottom (4 luggages) in Florida and I give myself a few more years to trying to achieve something big in bodybuilding beside a secure financial background. We'll see.

If it won't happen then I'll switch to something else.

I'm looking forward to a better future!


 ;)
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: WingedLion on December 30, 2009, 12:48:15 PM
I'm always hearing about different opinions of what can be achieved naturally. Some people claim very high limits of musculature and some people claim that even people who aren't heavier than 170lbs with a 6 pack must be using steroids.

So people...Post pictures of YOUR opinions of what could be naturally achieved with GOOD genetics, EXTREME dedication, YEARS of weight training, PERFECT diet.


Even if the people in the pictures aren't natural...They can still be used as an example of what can be achieved naturally in your opinion.





Please don't post pictures of skinny people or pictures of massive pro-bodybuilders to be funny. (I know people will be dumb and do this anyway).



Here is my opinion on what can be done naturally if everything is done right and the person dedicates a lot lives to building this physique.



:D :D :D

you are absolutely cluelss....zero clue
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 12:53:03 PM
spoken like a true geek that knows nothing about women

no shit guys work out for women and obviously it helps initially, that's it it gets your foot in the door nothing more

you will never finds a woman that stayed with a guy because "he's hot", heck if you sound like a loser in the club you won't even have a one night stand

always laugh when i hear these geeks say "how the hell did he get her" THE LAST THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS LOOKS

E


Yes you are the expert on what women want right? LOL who said anything about long term relationships in this thread? You are the one who said "why would you care what woman want" and that is extremly gay.


Looking good helps you get the foot in the door is all I said nothing more. No need to write another paragraph of your nonsense. I never said women stay with a man for looks or anything of that nature. You are the only one arguing about that with yourself as no one is disputing that a woman will stay with you based soley on looks.


Reread my first response to you and you will clearly see I agree with everything you are trying to rebute.
I totally agree that a relationship forged on looks is not going to last. And you dont know anything more about women than me or the next guy, quit acting like you are some kind of dating guru.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on December 30, 2009, 01:00:25 PM

Yes you are the expert on what women want right? LOL who said anything about long term relationships in this thread? You are the one who said "why would you care what woman want" and that is extremly gay.


Looking good helps you get the foot in the door is all I said nothing more. No need to write another paragraph of your nonsense. I never said women stay with a man for looks or anything of that nature. You are the only one arguing about that with yourself as no one is disputing that a woman will stay with you based soley on looks.

i said "who cares about what look women supposedly want" learn to read, that offended you because your "muscles" are probably all you have to offer a woman, as if they give a fuck after the very first moment they see you ;)

you are the one that started the "argument" don't try to come off as the "good guy" when you get owned, geek  :-*

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 01:00:49 PM
It's good to see that slowly but surely everybody will realize on this board that I'm good guy, a very positive thinker, a hard working pro bodybuilder...who unfortunately born to the wrong place but trying to do everything he can to achieve his dreams.

Thank you guys!

Anyway I just started a new life from the bottom (4 luggages) in Florida and I give myself a few more years to trying to achieve something big in bodybuilding beside a secure financial background. We'll see.

If it won't happen then I'll switch to something else.

I'm looking forward to a better future!


 ;)




I wish you the best of luck Steve and hope you can channel your supreme work ethic and dedication into something that pays off. Again I seriously suggest you atleast look at taking part time courses in a feild like kinesiology or sports medicine where you can have a head start already with your training and nutrition knowlege. There is also good money in becoming a dietitian. Look into it man. There is no reason why you cannot maintain a good build and go to school.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 01:05:08 PM
i said "who cares about what look women supposedly want" learn to read, that offended you because your "muscles" are probably all you have to offer a woman, as if they give a fuck after the very first moment they see you ;)

you are the one that started the "argument" don't try to come off as the "good guy" when you get owned, geek  :-*

E

Yes you sure owned me lol, trying to give advice on what women want like you are some kind of expert. Everyone who reads this see's it as some guy who knows nothing about what woman , trying to give other people who admitedly know very litte about women, advice. At least you are dellusional enough to think you "owned" me, and I got a good laugh to because you would use a term like "owned". You must be a real Romeo. I can imagine you telling a girl " yah baby I owned this guy on getbig, it was an epic ownage". I mean seriously, who talks like that?
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 01:09:20 PM
Steve this guy Carlos Newton paid his way through medical school while becoming UFC champion and fighting at the highest level.

Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on December 30, 2009, 01:14:24 PM
Yes you sure owned me lol, trying to give advice on what women want like you are some kind of expert. Everyone who reads this see's it as some guy who knows nothing about what woman , trying to give other people who admitedly know very litte about women, advice. At least you are dellusional enough to think you "owned" me, and I got a good laugh to because you would use a term like "owned". You must be a real Romeo. I can imagine you telling a girl " yah baby I owned this guy on getbig, it was an epic ownage". I mean seriously, who talks like that?

hey pal you're the one that tried to come off as the "dating guru" when you dismissed my post and used childish name calling, not me

you left me no choice, i had to own you

take it like a man, not some geek that thinks bigger biceps are the key to getting the babes :D

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 01:17:02 PM
hey pal you're the one that tried to come off as the "dating guru" when you dismissed my post and used childish name calling, not me

you left me no choice, i had to own you

take it like a man, not some geek that thinks bigger biceps are the key to getting the babes :D

E


If you mean dismissing your post as in agreeing with everything you said , yes you are right. And I have posted pics of both my fiances and my wife, all we have seen from you is pics of Levrone. Im sure your girl is much hotter than my wife ::) but in my defence you werent around to give me the proper advice to bed a hotty.


And a good body helps in getting laid for sure, why do you insist on disputing this? And dont come back with some long term relationship crap again. No one here is talking about that cept you.


I initially said a good body would help in getting laid and you came back on a tirade about how woman do not care about looks and any long term relationship is not based on looks, blah blah blah. Can you show me one example where I ever said having a good body was the key to a succesful long term relationship? Can you site one example where anyone on this thread said anything about long term relationships and woman before you chimed in with your infinite guru wisdom? You can't. You put forth a good argument and a great rebuttals against yourself, in your terms it was an "epic ownage". ;D

Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on December 30, 2009, 01:18:55 PM

If you mean dismissing your post as in agreeing with everything you said , yes you are right. And I have posted pics of both my fiances and my wife, all we have seen from you is pics of Levrone. Im sure your girl is much hotter than my wife ::)

where are the pics of your wife?

as for MR. Levrone, this is a bodybuilding forum not a forum where we show off our women so that should've been expected

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on December 30, 2009, 01:20:47 PM


And a good body helps in getting laid for sure, why do you insist on disputing this? And dont come back with some long term relationship crap again. No one here is talking about that cept you.




yes it helps, but there are always other factors, a guys looks alone aren't good enough like they are for women

that's all i'm saying

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 01:26:33 PM
yes it helps, but there are always other factors, a guys looks alone aren't good enough like they are for women

that's all i'm saying

E

And we all agree with you on that. Why do you keep talking about long term relationships? Go back and read the dialogue. My point was men juice to impress woman and get laid and I thought that made more sense than juicing to impress a bunch of judges. Then you chimed in about how biceps dont help when it comes to marriage or long term relationships, totally off topic and unrelated to what we were talking about.



If you want to see pics of my wife do a search, she was in my fight pics and the only girl in the pics.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on December 30, 2009, 01:33:13 PM
And we all agree with you on that. Why do you keep talking about long term relationships? Go back and read the dialogue. My point was men juice to impress woman and get laid and I thought that made more sense than juicing to impress a bunch of judges. Then you chimed in about how biceps dont help when it comes to marriage or long term relationships, totally off topic and unrelated to what we were talking about.



If you want to see pics of my wife do a search, she was in my fight pics and the only girl in the pics.

i don't think looks will get you passed a first date, not even get you a quick fling if you come off as a loser during the first conversation

not sure why it was an issue with you

i don't want to see your wife that bad, you brought her up so you post her pics since you clearly want to show her off to the entire forum

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 01:36:44 PM
i don't think looks will get you passed a first date, not even get you a quick fling if you come off as a loser during the first conversation

not sure why it was an issue with you

i don't want to see your wife that bad, you brought her up so you post her pics since you clearly want to show her off to the entire forum

E


Sure they wont get you passed the first date if you are a bumbling idiot, but they can get you the first date, or land you a one night stand which was the point I was making. Again WTF are you talking about dating or getting past the first date? That not what Namat or myself were debating on.


Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Earl1972 on December 30, 2009, 01:38:22 PM

Sure they wont get you passed the first date if you are a bumbling idiot, but they can get you the first date, or land you a one night stand which was the point I was making. Again WTF are you talking about dating or getting past the first date? That not what Namat or myself were debating on.




i wasn't even thinking of your post when i first posted it

calm down ::)

E
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
i wasn't even thinking of your post when i first posted it

calm down ::)

E

I am relaxed and tranquil but thank you for your concern.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Krankenstein on December 30, 2009, 04:18:11 PM
p.s. to the both of you....its past the first date.
Title: Re: The TRUE natural limit?
Post by: Mussolini on December 30, 2009, 08:04:46 PM
p.s. to the both of you....its past the first date.

Matt C, were waiting for you to continue the debate without your racist, genocidal minions kissing your ass over every post.