The TRUE natural limit?

[Mussolini]

Yeah it's much better to use steroids just because of your ego, your buddies and because of the girls...

HUUUUGE goal!


 

Here is what your feeble mind does not understand. Your goal to impress a panel of judges is not a goal that 99% of the public would want to achieve even if they could. The chance of getting laid by one good looking girl is a better reason to juice for 99% of the public than juicing in order to win a plastic trophy in a sport with no money and of which no one cares about. You are a pro for gods sake and you are broke. Do you relize how pathetic that is? What a great goal! get juiced to the gills and be broke and repulse 99.9% of the female population. What an awesome idea.

Im going to break it down even more so everyone even those of limited intelligence (Steve Namat) will understand what I am saying.
Most girls like a athletic physique around 200-220 lbs depending on your height.
So hitting the gym about 4 times a week and spending 200-300$ and using a bit of test and deca, or winny ect can increase your chances of getting laid dramatically. Most Men enjoy getting laid so this would make sense as a reason to juice.

On the contrary we have the Steve Namat approach of spending thousands of dollars on gear to the point where you are broke in order to impress a panel of judges and schmoes and win a plastic trophy.


To each their own but I think it is obvious to all but you Steve why it makes more sense to juice to pick up bitches than to impress bodybuilding judges.

Obviously it makes the most sense to juice for a sport in which millions of dollars are at stake. But for pro bodybuilding, where you admit you are broke? Wake up Steve. Its not too late to pick a different career and maybe turn a profit for all your hard work.

[body88]

That's a good physique - as far as getting the girls, that is all you need.

Keep in mind that guy does not workout (in a gym with weights), or with weights at all.

[gcb]

Here is what your feeble mind does not understand. Your goal to impress a panel of judges is not a goal that 99% of the public would want to achieve even if they could. The chance of getting laid by one good looking girl is a better reason to juice for 99% of the public than juicing in order to win a plastic trophy in a sport with no money and of which no one cares about. You are a pro for gods sake and you are broke. Do you relize how pathetic that is? What a great goal! get juiced to the gills and be broke and repulse 99.9% of the female population. What an awesome idea.

Im going to break it down even more so everyone even those of limited intelligence (Steve Namat) will understand what I am saying.
Most girls like a athletic physique around 200-220 lbs depending on your height.
So hitting the gym about 4 times a week and spending 200-300$ and using a bit of test and deca, or winny ect can increase your chances of getting laid dramatically. Most Men enjoy getting laid so this would make sense as a reason to juice.

On the contrary we have the Steve Namat approach of spending thousands of dollars on gear to the point where you are broke in order to impress a panel of judges and schmoes and win a plastic trophy.


To each their own but I think it is obvious to all but you Steve why it makes more sense to juice to pick up bitches than to impress bodybuilding judges.

Obviously it makes the most sense to juice for a sport in which millions of dollars are at stake. But for pro bodybuilding, where you admit you are broke? Wake up Steve. Its not too late to pick a different career and maybe turn a profit for all your hard work.

I'd set that ideal weight range at 180 to 200 personally. Once you start getting over 200 I think you can look "fat" in clothes. Of course it's all dependent on height.

[Mussolini]

I'd set that ideal weight range at 180 to 200 personally. Once you start getting over 200 I think you can look "fat" in clothes. Of course it's all dependent on height.

personally I think I got the most attention from girls when I was 200-205 at my height of 5'10. When I got heavier like 225 It had a detrimental effect. 225 at 6'3 6'4 would be ok I think.
As for my post above, Im not saying juicing to pick up chicks is a great Idea, Im sayin it is clearly a better idea to to a few cycles to try to increas your chances with woman, than to get juiced to the gills to impress a panel of bodybuilding judges while at the same time repulsing 99% of femals. Namat cant understand this, and wonders why he is broke. I gaurentee with a mind like his he will stay broke his entire life if he keeps "livin the dream" and remains a pro bodybuilder. His wife will get sick of being poor and relize she was better off in Hungary and leave him withing 2 years. All woman say money isnt important but cant stand being poor very long.

[Palpatine Q]

personally I think I got the most attention from girls when I was 200-205 at my height of 5'10. When I got heavier like 225 It had a detrimental effect. 225 at 6'3 6'4 would be ok I think.
As for my post above, Im not saying juicing to pick up chicks is a great Idea, Im sayin it is clearly a better idea to to a few cycles to try to increas your chances with woman, than to get juiced to the gills to impress a panel of bodybuilding judges while at the same time repulsing 99% of femals. Namat cant understand this, and wonders why he is broke. I gaurentee with a mind like his he will stay broke his entire life if he keeps "livin the dream" and remains a pro bodybuilder. His wife will get sick of being poor and relize she was better off in Hungary and leave him withing 2 years. All woman say money isnt important but cant stand being poor very long.

I'm 260 and i have no problem with women. seriously, not being a bragging douche. I think there are PLENTY of women that like very big dudes...i live it every day

[body88]

I'm 260 and i have no problem with women. seriously, not being a bragging douche. I think there are PLENTY of women that like very big dudes...i live it every day

True, but I bet that your a big guy in general right?  I'm sure you'd be around 220 if you didn't work out.  I think its all a matter of proportion.  If your 260, but a big guy, women like that.  Now if your meant to be 200 (like me) and you harmonize up to 250 you might look weird.

[BIG ACH]

True, but I bet that your a big guy in general right?  I'm sure you'd be around 220 if you didn't work out.  I think its all a matter of proportion.  If your 260, but a big guy, women like that.  Now if your meant to be 200 (like me) and you harmonize up to 250 you might look weird.

I disagree, I think i'm meant to be around 190 or so, but I hover at around 230 right now, and I've been as high up as 265, can't really say I had any problems.  Now I'm married so it doesn't really matter anymore lol :-)

I think it just differs from person to person, also has to do with personality and game (and money), I've seen some SERIOUSLY UGLY dudes mac some incredibly hot women!  So you never know!

[Palpatine Q]

True, but I bet that your a big guy in general right?  I'm sure you'd be around 220 if you didn't work out.  I think its all a matter of proportion.  If your 260, but a big guy, women like that.  Now if your meant to be 200 (like me) and you harmonize up to 250 you might look weird.

It makes sense.... What i hear from women is "you're really big, but you don't look stupid. it looks nice on you"

[TacoBell]

I look stupid big when Im big.  Goin for the health look these days. 

[Steve Namat]

Here is what your feeble mind does not understand. Your goal to impress a panel of judges is not a goal that 99% of the public would want to achieve even if they could. The chance of getting laid by one good looking girl is a better reason to juice for 99% of the public than juicing in order to win a plastic trophy in a sport with no money and of which no one cares about. You are a pro for gods sake and you are broke. Do you relize how pathetic that is? What a great goal! get juiced to the gills and be broke and repulse 99.9% of the female population. What an awesome idea.

Im going to break it down even more so everyone even those of limited intelligence (Steve Namat) will understand what I am saying.
Most girls like a athletic physique around 200-220 lbs depending on your height.
So hitting the gym about 4 times a week and spending 200-300$ and using a bit of test and deca, or winny ect can increase your chances of getting laid dramatically. Most Men enjoy getting laid so this would make sense as a reason to juice.

On the contrary we have the Steve Namat approach of spending thousands of dollars on gear to the point where you are broke in order to impress a panel of judges and schmoes and win a plastic trophy.


To each their own but I think it is obvious to all but you Steve why it makes more sense to juice to pick up bitches than to impress bodybuilding judges.

Obviously it makes the most sense to juice for a sport in which millions of dollars are at stake. But for pro bodybuilding, where you admit you are broke? Wake up Steve. Its not too late to pick a different career and maybe turn a profit for all your hard work.

We have our opinions and both are true...but we have a different point of view...

[Mussolini]

I'm 260 and i have no problem with women. seriously, not being a bragging douche. I think there are PLENTY of women that like very big dudes...i live it every day

Sure you can get laid. Its personality/charm that mean the most by a long shot. A fat guy with good charm will get more pussy than a chisled 6'0 200 lbs buy with no game.

The point is 99% of women prefer the athletic look to the bodybuilder look. I never said a bodybuilder couldnt get laid or even be a stud.

[Mussolini]

We have our opinions and both are true...but we have a different point of view...

Indeed we do, and I wouldnt have called you feeble minded but you said you were baffled by why anyone who doesnt compete in pro bodybuilding would use steroids, and the answer is painfully obvious.

if you enjoy bodybuilding or lawn darts or whatever, then good for you doing what makes you happy.

[Alexander D]

Its nice to see you two kiss and make up (no homo)

-A DUB

[Mussolini]

Its nice to see you two kiss and make up (no homo)

-A DUB

Perhaps I was a little too abbrasive and harsh on the guy. I guess I kinda feel sorry for him because I know what he does takes a lot of hard work and dedication and he is broke as a pro. Something is terribly wrong with that picture. Even a minor league hockey player makes a good living like 150-200k a year and Namat has been a pro for a number of years now at the highest level of the sport. I think he should be better rewarded for the amount of dedication and work he has put it.

[njflex]

Perhaps I was a little too abbrasive and harsh on the guy. I guess I kinda feel sorry for him because I know what he does takes a lot of hard work and dedication and he is broke as a pro. Something is terribly wrong with that picture. Even a minor league hockey player makes a good living like 150-200k a year and Namat has been a pro for a number of years now at the highest level of the sport. I think he should be better rewarded for the amount of dedication and work he has put it.

exactly...

[Mussolini]

exactly...

Im not going to knock him anymore, and his work ethic is top notch, it is just totally baffling to me someone would continue to put that much work and dedication into someting and actually LOSE money. Not even break even. That is insanity to me, something so demanding as being a pro bodybuilder and gaining no fame and no fortune.  Think of how far ahead in life you would be had you put all the energy into something like getting an education? You could still have a good body and have thousands in the bank.

Namat you are 26, you are still young why not transfer the drive and work ethic you had for bodybuilding into something more profitable and rewarding. Are you athletic? Do you play any sports? Thought about going back to school, maybe for kinesiology or sports medicine?

[njflex]

Im not going to knock him anymore, and his work ethic is top notch, it is just totally baffling to me someone would continue to put that much work and dedication into someting and actually LOSE money. Not even break even. That is insanity to me, something so demanding as being a pro bodybuilder and gaining no fame and no fortune.  Think of how far ahead in life you would be had you put all the energy into something like getting an education? You could still have a good body and have thousands in the bank.

Namat you are 26, you are still young why not transfer the drive and work ethic you had for bodybuilding into something more profitable and rewarding. Are you athletic? Do you play any sports? Thought about going back to school, maybe for kinesiology or sports medicine?

ALL I CAN SAY IS U BROUGHT UP SOME GREAT POINTS HERE....TOUGH CALL ,HE'S TRYING AND U LOSE MOMENTUM IF THE JUDGES DON'T SEE OR HERE FROM U ENOUGH.EITHER WAY GUY HAS GREAT BUILD.AT WHAT COST THATS HIS DECISION TO PONDER..

[Mussolini]

ALL I CAN SAY IS U BROUGHT UP SOME GREAT POINTS HERE....TOUGH CALL ,HE'S TRYING AND U LOSE MOMENTUM IF THE JUDGES DON'T SEE OR HERE FROM U ENOUGH.EITHER WAY GUY HAS GREAT BUILD.AT WHAT COST THATS HIS DECISION TO PONDER..

In all honesty I do not know what degree of intellect Namat posseses, I called him a schlub just based on him finding it absured anyone other than a pro would juice and that was uncalled for on my part. I have always though and believe academic prowess is 30-35% intellectual ability and 65-70% work ethic ( meaning disipline with study habits, homework, meeting deadlines, not partying the day befor an exam ect). Namat obviously has work ethic, disipline and drive. If he is even slightly above average in smarts there is no reason why he couldnt persue a career in a something like sports medicine , kinisiology or the like. At 26 Steve you are still very young, hell there has never been a better time to go back to school with our economy in the shape it is, both here in Canada and state side. There are tons of people going back to school in there mid 30's and even older. Something you should at least consider man.

[MAXX]

On the contrary we have the Steve Namat approach of spending thousands of dollars on gear to the point where you are broke in order to impress a panel of judges and schmoes and win a plastic trophy.

I think for him it's more about achieving childhood dream of being a top pro bb. and respect from his peers (other bodybuilders) not judges.

to be fair to Namat..

[Earl1972]

who care about what look women supposedly want? 

if a woman maintains a relationship with you, your looks are the last reason for her sticking around

E

[Mussolini]

who care about what look women supposedly want?  

if a woman maintains a relationship with you, your looks are the last reason for her sticking around

E

Spoken like a true homo. "who cares what women want" LOL are you serious? All joking aside, the main reason people start working out whether you or I, or anyone likes it or not is to impress the opposite sex.

And do you really think when a guys is out at the beach or a club trying to get laid he is thinking about a long term relationship with a girl? Surely in long term relationships looks are not the reason it stays together but they played a huge part in why they first came together. There is always an initial attraction and a nice body certainly helps with that.

[Earl1972]

Spoken like a true homo. "who cares what women want" LOL are you serious? All joking aside, the main reason people start working out whether you or I, or anyone likes it or not is to impress the opposite sex.

And do you really think when a guys is out at the beach or a club trying to get laid he is thinking about a long term relationship with a girl? Surely in long term relationships looks are not the reason it stays together but they played a huge part in why they first came together. There is always an initial attraction and a nice body certainly helps with that.

spoken like a true geek that knows nothing about women

no shit guys work out for women and obviously it helps initially, that's it it gets your foot in the door nothing more

you will never finds a woman that stayed with a guy because "he's hot", heck if you sound like a loser in the club you won't even have a one night stand

always laugh when i hear these geeks say "how the hell did he get her" THE LAST THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS LOOKS

E

[Steve Namat]

It's good to see that slowly but surely everybody will realize on this board that I'm good guy, a very positive thinker, a hard working pro bodybuilder...who unfortunately born to the wrong place but trying to do everything he can to achieve his dreams.

Thank you guys!

Anyway I just started a new life with my wife from the bottom (4 luggages) in Florida and I give myself a few more years to trying to achieve something big in bodybuilding beside a secure financial background. We'll see.

If it won't happen then I'll switch to something else.

I'm looking forward to a better future!


 

[WingedLion]

I'm always hearing about different opinions of what can be achieved naturally. Some people claim very high limits of musculature and some people claim that even people who aren't heavier than 170lbs with a 6 pack must be using steroids.

So people...Post pictures of YOUR opinions of what could be naturally achieved with GOOD genetics, EXTREME dedication, YEARS of weight training, PERFECT diet.


Even if the people in the pictures aren't natural...They can still be used as an example of what can be achieved naturally in your opinion.





Please don't post pictures of skinny people or pictures of massive pro-bodybuilders to be funny. (I know people will be dumb and do this anyway).



Here is my opinion on what can be done naturally if everything is done right and the person dedicates a lot lives to building this physique.

you are absolutely cluelss....zero clue

[Mussolini]

spoken like a true geek that knows nothing about women

no shit guys work out for women and obviously it helps initially, that's it it gets your foot in the door nothing more

you will never finds a woman that stayed with a guy because "he's hot", heck if you sound like a loser in the club you won't even have a one night stand

always laugh when i hear these geeks say "how the hell did he get her" THE LAST THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS LOOKS

E

Yes you are the expert on what women want right? LOL who said anything about long term relationships in this thread? You are the one who said "why would you care what woman want" and that is extremly gay.


Looking good helps you get the foot in the door is all I said nothing more. No need to write another paragraph of your nonsense. I never said women stay with a man for looks or anything of that nature. You are the only one arguing about that with yourself as no one is disputing that a woman will stay with you based soley on looks.


Reread my first response to you and you will clearly see I agree with everything you are trying to rebute.
I totally agree that a relationship forged on looks is not going to last. And you dont know anything more about women than me or the next guy, quit acting like you are some kind of dating guru.