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Nobody's watching that shit anymore
UFC 100 total purse (all fighters combined ) $1.790,000.
Manny Pacquiao last fight purse (against Hatton) $12 million
Oh brother ,Hahaaaa
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Every single month UFC draws a HUGE crowd and PPV buys.
What does boxing do every single month?
Nothing lol!
and Brock got about 4-5 million for the fight in total.
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Boxing needs a heavyweight star, remember the name James Stabler - former cage fighter in Cage Rage now boxing
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and Brock got about 4-5 million for the fight in total.
::) Source ,please
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::) Source ,please
they get a % of the PPV buys also.
Im will search later, I have 2 females cover over in a few min HEHE
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Boxing needs a heavyweight star, remember the name James Stabler - former cage fighter in Cage Rage now boxing
Yes, boxing needs another Tyson like wrasslin needs another Stone Cold/Rock/Hulk Hogan.
MMA has hype because every dbag on the street thinks he's a badass and will someday be in an MMA ring LOL!!!
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they get a % of the PPV buys also.
Im will search later, I have 2 females cover over in a few min HEHE
Will these females smell like nuts or nut-oil?
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Yes, boxing needs another Tyson like wrasslin needs another Stone Cold/Rock/Hulk Hogan.
MMA has hype because every dbag on the street thinks he's a badass and will someday be in an MMA ring LOL!!!
MMA is popular because it's more multi-dimensional and complex (= more exiting for most) than boxing. A lot more can happen in a MMA fight than a boxing fight.
But the tapout thing helps as well. :D
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Every single month UFC draws a HUGE crowd and PPV buys.
What does boxing do every single month?
Nothing lol!
and Brock got about 4-5 million for the fight in total.
Swede you can't expect to just throw out numbers without getting called on it. It is known how much the UFC paid the fighters. Where did the other $3+ million come from. I'm sure he has sponsors but can you name them and give us the exact amount Lesnar got. Since you are the self-appointed President of the Lesnar Fan Club I am sure you have those numbers. By the way boxing will be fine so no worries there. We will wait....................
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Swede you can't expect to just throw out numbers without getting called on it. It is known how much the UFC paid the fighters. Where did the other $3+ million come from. I'm sure he has sponsors but can you name them and give us the exact amount Lesnar got. Since you are the self-appointed President of the Lesnar Fan Club I am sure you have those numbers. By the way boxing will be fine so no worries there. We will wait....................
Im trying to find it.
You HONESTLY think at ufc 100 at the MAIN EVENT mir only got paid like 50k?
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Hardcore boxing fans will always use money as a comparsion as that is pretty much the only thing that is "winning" for them when compared to MMA. I love both sports, they can both co-exist
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MMA is popular because it's more multi-dimensional and complex (= more exiting for most) than boxing. A lot more can happen in a MMA fight than a boxing fight.
But the tapout thing helps as well. :D
I don't disagree with the technical aspects of MMA, but the current hype stems from every Joe Blow Badass that "relates" to MMA. Who can blame them? They grew up watching wrasslin and new they neither had the size nor the charisma to make it there. They watched boxing and simply didn't have the skillset. They watch MMA and loe and behold the heavens open up cause it is such a mixed bag and everyone within is a diehard, dbag idiot....it's like they've finally found their niche. MMA allows every self-proclaimed badass the opportunity to showoff their green belt judo skills.
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I don't disagree with the technical aspects of MMA, but the current hype stems from every Joe Blow Badass that "relates" to MMA. Who can blame them? They grew up watching wrasslin and new they neither had the size nor the charisma to make it there. They watched boxing and simply didn't have the skillset. They watch MMA and loe and behold the heavens open up cause it is such a mixed bag and everyone within is a diehard, dbag idiot....it's like they've finally found their niche. MMA allows every self-proclaimed badass the opportunity to showoff their green belt judo skills.
I would say it takes more skill to be a very good mma artist, boxing, BJJ, wrestling etc, then it takes to become a good boxer.. :)
Now Im talking about a black belt bjj guy etc. Not your average tapout fighter lol.
Unless your name is Bj penn it takes years and years to become a legit black belt under for example the gracie family.
And ALOT of ufc fighers are legit black belts.
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I don't disagree with the technical aspects of MMA, but the current hype stems from every Joe Blow Badass that "relates" to MMA. Who can blame them? They grew up watching wrasslin and new they neither had the size nor the charisma to make it there. They watched boxing and simply didn't have the skillset. They watch MMA and loe and behold the heavens open up cause it is such a mixed bag and everyone within is a diehard, dbag idiot....it's like they've finally found their niche. MMA allows every self-proclaimed badass the opportunity to showoff their green belt judo skills.
Most MMA fighters are pretty decent people. Guys like GSP and Randy = class acts.
And these douchebags would get their eyes opened if rolling or going standup (or fully fledged MMA) against one of their "heroes".
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I don't disagree with the technical aspects of MMA, but the current hype stems from every Joe Blow Badass that "relates" to MMA. Who can blame them? They grew up watching wrasslin and new they neither had the size nor the charisma to make it there. They watched boxing and simply didn't have the skillset. They watch MMA and loe and behold the heavens open up cause it is such a mixed bag and everyone within is a diehard, dbag idiot....it's like they've finally found their niche. MMA allows every self-proclaimed badass the opportunity to showoff their green belt judo skills.
QFT.
The whole thing is funny as hell.
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I would say it takes more skill to be a very good mma artist, boxing, BJJ, wrestling etc, then it takes to become a good boxer.. :)
Now Im talking about a black belt bjj guy etc. Not your average tapout fighter lol.
You don't become a championship boxer overnight either my MMA Lesner loving friend.Dont underestmate boxers skill. As for money the top boxers earn 10x what the top mma fighters do.
While i appreciate that to become a quality fighter in the UFC requires hard work, skill and dedication, there is still only one noble art.
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You don't become a championship boxer overnight either my MMA Lesner loving friend.Dont underestmate boxers skill. As for money the top boxers earn 10x what the top mma fighters do.
While i appreciate that to become a quality fighter in the UFC requires hard work, skill and dedication, there is still only one noble art.
Your noble art produced the now great Meldrick Taylor :D
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You don't become a championship boxer overnight either my MMA Lesner loving friend.Dont underestmate boxers skill. As for money the top boxers earn 10x what the top mma fighters do.
While i appreciate that to become a quality fighter in the UFC requires hard work, skill and dedication, there is still only one noble art.
Lesnar had a amateur wrestling record of 106-5 , I wouldnt call that "all of a sudden" :)
BJJ is also a art. Kinda like chess.
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Lesnar had a amateur wrestling record of 106-5 , I wouldnt call that "all of a sudden" :)
BJJ is also a art. Kinda like chess.
Have you ever boxed? :D (not eggs)
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What I don't like about MMA is that the fight usually ends up on the ground which I'm sure is very 'technical' but it's very boring to watch.
Boxing is often more paced, quick movements around the ring with lots of jabs and punches being traded, especially in the lighter weight divisions.
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Have you ever boxed? :D (not eggs)
Wanted to but legs are keeping my away from it, and I have a pathetic reach. Did some thaiBoxing but that doesn't count lol.
Trained submission wrestling aka shootfighting though.
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"Lesnar's purse was US$400,000 according to the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Mir got $45,000."
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Wanted to but legs are keeping my away from it, and I have a pathetic reach. Did some thaiBoxing but that doesn't count lol.
Trained submission wrestling aka shootfighting though.
You should give it a go, great sport. It will help your allround game.
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Im trying to find it.
You HONESTLY think at ufc 100 at the MAIN EVENT mir only got paid like 50k?
That's just it I can't believe it either. I would hope not.
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What I don't like about MMA is that the fight usually ends up on the ground which I'm sure is very 'technical' but it's very boring to watch.
Boxing is often more paced, quick movements around the ring with lots of jabs and punches being traded, especially in the lighter weight divisions.
The funniest thing is boxers fighting MMA fighters (not Tim Sylvia ;D) under MMA rules :D
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Yes, MMA combines a lot of different disciplines, but most are highly proficient at one (maybe two). I wouldn't say that 99% of MMA fighters have the boxing skills of a pro boxer, the wrestling skills or an Olympic wrestler, etc.....although, some are decent boxers, good wrestlers, great martial artists, etc....spin the combo however. My other observation really has nothing to do with the truly great MMA fighters.....my observation is directed at the shopping mall badasses in Tap Out tees and stone cold glares and the ringside yuppy suits that swill boos talkin about "all I need is five f'kn minutes in the ring with GSP!!" This is why MMA is highly popular now.....every badass can gather in one forum and talk about how badass they are.
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3 days later...
I'm wondering how much mir's face is hurting today?
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What I don't like about MMA is that the fight usually ends up on the ground which I'm sure is very 'technical' but it's very boring to watch.
Boxing is often more paced, quick movements around the ring with lots of jabs and punches being traded, especially in the lighter weight divisions.
Thats because for your average joe, its hard to understand the skill that it takes to do something on the ground hence aot of people cant relate to it,
Thats why everyone who has tried out mma understands it and loves it..
Im sure is you trained mma for a few months you would have Whole new understanding :)
A few fighters always just stands up and Bang though
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The martial arts skills that most of these fighters possess is very advanced. I don't get how the boxing fans can argue that boxing requires more skill?? Also, if boxing is so much better, why don't boxing only specialist rarely win?
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Yes, MMA combines a lot of different disciplines, but most are highly proficient at one (maybe two). I wouldn't say that 99% of MMA fighters have the boxing skills of a pro boxer, the wrestling skills or an Olympic wrestler, etc.....although, some are decent boxers, good wrestlers, great martial artists, etc....spin the combo however. My other observation really has nothing to do with the truly great MMA fighters.....my observation is directed at the shopping mall badasses in Tap Out tees and stone cold glares and the ringside yuppy suits that swill boos talkin about "all I need is five f'kn minutes in the ring with GSP!!" This is why MMA is highly popular now.....every badass can gather in one forum and talk about how badass they are.
Pro boxers have boxing skills that would smash 99,5%+ of pro MMAers in a boxing match.
That being said, it is the allroundness that makes it interesting.
Debussey thinks that MMA will become more and more popular, regardless of the Tapout gheys at the mall :D
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Pro boxers have boxing skills that would smash 99,5%+ of pro MMAers in a boxing match.
That being said, it is the allroundness that makes it interesting.
Debussey thinks that MMA will become more and more popular, regardless of the Tapout gheys at the mall :D
Again, I'm neither against MMA nor I do find it uninteresting and it will continue to gain popularity much like Rap/Hip Hop....again another cultural situation that's popularity is primarily fueled by a legion of idiots.
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Again, I'm neither against MMA nor I do find it uninteresting and it will continue to gain popularity much like Rap/Hip Hop....again another cultural situation that's popularity is primarily fueled by a legion of idiots.
Dont tell me there aint alot of retards that call themself boxers after a month or two lol :)
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Again, I'm neither against MMA nor I do find it uninteresting and it will continue to gain popularity much like Rap/Hip Hop....again another cultural situation that's popularity is primarily fueled by a legion of idiots.
Debussey = not living in teh US, so it does not have any insight into these Tapout monkeys :D
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The funniest thing is boxers fighting MMA fighters (not Tim Sylvia ;D) under MMA rules :D
What are the chances to win ,for a 48 years old retired MMA Fighter (example :Dan SEVERN)make a come back to fight in a BOXING match, against a top 10 Heavyweight boxer .
Chances = ZERO
We all know what happened between Mercer and Silvya ;D ;D ;D
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The martial arts skills that most of these fighters possess is very advanced. I don't get how the boxing fans can argue that boxing requires more skill?? Also, if boxing is so much better, why don't boxing only specialist rarely win?
Martial artists aren't boxers anymore than boxers are martial artists....that's not the issue, it's just an easy argument for MMA enthusiasts to defend.
For me MMA is becomes annoying because it somehow gives license for badasses to engage in higher level of badassery.
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Dont tell me there aint alot of retards that call themself boxers after a month or two lol :)
There are inbred idiot fans lining wrasslin stadiums and trumpet blowin idiot beaners at every boxing match, but again no place on earth brings out the legion of self-proclaimed badasses like MMA.
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What are the chances to win ,for a 48 years old retired MMA Fighter (example :Dan SEVERN)make a come back to fight in a BOXING match, against a top 10 Heavyweight boxer .
Chances = ZERO
We all know what happened between Mercer and Silvya ;D ;D ;D
you think silva is top 10?
SILVIA IS SHIT. He won in mma because of his long ass reach and the current hw division was shit.
We all saw what happened when he faced Fedor lol.
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What are the chances to win ,for a 48 years old retired MMA Fighter (example :Dan SEVERN)make a come back to fight in a BOXING match, against a top 10 Heavyweight boxer .
Chances = ZERO
We all know what happened between Mercer and Silvya ;D ;D ;D
Sylvia got broken by Fedor 8) Fedor takes their souls 8)
And MMA vs. boxing under MMA rules = not even a discussion.
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Sylvia got broken by Fedor 8) Fedor takes their souls 8)
And MMA vs. boxing under MMA rules = not even a discussion.
Exactly.
And Boxing vs MMA under boxing rules = not even a discussion.
Every person with decent ammount of knowledge knows both of this.. :)
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We all saw what happened when he faced Fedor lol.
Have you seen those statistics of fighters record "pre Fedor" and "post Fedor"? ;D
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What are the chances to win ,for a 48 years old retired MMA Fighter (example :Dan SEVERN)make a come back to fight in a BOXING match, against a top 10 Heavyweight boxer .
Chances = ZERO
We all know what happened between Mercer and Silvya ;D ;D ;D
don't forget Mercer got beat in a minute by Kimbo Slice in about Kimbo's second mma fight.
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Have you seen those statistics of fighters record "pre Fedor" and "post Fedor"? ;D
Did you see the look on Tim's face right after he lost?
A guy that just realised hes wasted his entire life at something he Thought he was good at but infact he sucks ass lol.
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And MMA vs. boxing under MMA rules = not even a discussion.
BTW, Silvya and Mercer fight was under MMA rules ;D
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Did you see the look on Tim's face right after he lost?
A guy that just realised hes wasted his entire life at something he Thought he was good at but infact he sucks ass lol.
As they say: Fedor steals their souls 8)
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BTW, Silvya and Mercer fight was under MMA rules ;D
Didn't he loose to Kimbo though?
Who SUCKS ASS at mma... :) and havent even trained boxing lol.
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BTW, Silvya and Mercer fight was under MMA rules ;D
You're a funny dwarf 8)
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Didn't he loose to Kimbo though?
Who SUCKS ASS at mma... :) and havent even trained boxing lol.
What's your point ,
I'm not saying that Mercer is a great MMa fighter or even a great boxer nowadays ,the fact is that he beat Silvya .
A top 10 boxer would never get beat in a boxing match by a retired MMa fighter
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What's your point ,
I'm not saying that Mercer is a great MMa fighter or even a great boxer nowadays ,the fact is that he beat Silvya .
A top 10 boxer would never get beat in a boxing match by a retired MMa fighter
And a Top 10 MMA guy would never get beaten in a mma match by a retired boxer.
Whats your point?
Tim SUCKS. :)
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And a Top 10 MMA guy would never get beaten in a mma match by a retired boxer.
Whats your point?
Tim SUCKS. :)
He was the UFC champion couple years ago and a top 10 heavyweight when he fought Mercer
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He was the UFC champion couple years ago and a top 10 heavyweight when he fought Mercer
No.
Tim was a champ is a SHITTY divison, just because of his reach nothing else. It was called the "Tim era" and everyone is ashamed of it lol
Put him against, Fedor, or Mir or Lesnar etc or those types of HW and the result would be a Bit different lol.
Hell any decent mma guy that trained BJJ for a year or so,
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No.
Tim was a champ is a SHITTY divison, just because of his reach nothing else.
Hopefully he has saved some of his 800K purse from the first Affliction show ;D
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I would say it takes more skill to be a very good mma artist, boxing, BJJ, wrestling etc, then it takes to become a good boxer.. :)
Now Im talking about a black belt bjj guy etc. Not your average tapout fighter lol.
Unless your name is Bj penn it takes years and years to become a legit black belt under for example the gracie family.
And ALOT of ufc fighers are legit black belts.
It takes more athletic ability to become a great boxer than a great MMA artist.
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It takes more athletic ability to become a great boxer than a great MMA artist.
lol.
If you think a boxer is more athletic then Anderson Silva, Gsp etc you're more dellisional then Kamali.
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I think alot of wrestlers would make great fighters in MMA, because they have the strength and size.
They need that much skill.....just look at Lesnar, 4 fights (one of which he lost) and already undisputed UFC heavyweight champion.
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just look at Lesnar, 4 fights (one of which he lost) and already undisputed UFC heavyweight champion.
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When Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather fight each other at the end of the year and it smashes every record for PPV, I'm going to come back to this thread and laugh at everyone that said boxing was dead.I guarantee Lesnar vs Fedor wouldn't get close to that ppv number.
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When Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather fight each other at the end of the year and it smashes every record for PPV I'm going to come back to this thread and laugh at everyone that said boxing was dead.I guarantee Lesnar vs Fedor wouldn't get close to that ppv gate.
thats ONE match.
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thats ONE match.
So, its the top 2 in boxing vs top 2 in MMA, Im sure they will both meet within next year or so.Want to take a bet against me Swede on which does the higher PPV numbers?
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So, its the top 2 in boxing vs top 2 in MMA, Im sure they will both meet within next year or so.Want to take a bet against me Swede on which does the higher PPV numbers?
wanna take bet what makes the higest average rating this year? MMA or boxing if boxing actually had a ppv each month? ::)
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wanna take bet what makes the higest average rating this year? MMA or boxing if boxing actually had a ppv each month? ::)
Boxing has PPV each month my friend.
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boxing>mma
lol at making up figures
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boxing is not dead. I like both.
also include muay thai/kickboxing in the mix. but that doesn't have any popularity in america. :(
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Boxing has PPV each month my friend.
its so dead I didnt even know that ;D
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As of end of 2008
Live Gate
The Top grossing gate in the history of MMA
CHUCK LIDDELL vs. TITO ORTIZ II
12/30/06 $5,397,300
Top Boxing gates of the last 2 years
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR vs. OSCAR DE LA HOYA
05/05/07 $18,419,200
Oscar De La Hoya vs Pacquiao
12/6/08 $14,380,300
Ricky Hatton vs Juan Lazcano
5/24/08 $12,000,000
JOE CALZAGHE vs. BERNARD HOPKINS
04/19/08 $ 11,636,400
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR vs. RICKY HATTON
12/08/07 $10,393,950
Biggest one fight purse for each sport in 2008
MMA
Tim Sylvia - $800,000
Andre Arlovski -$749,690
Chuck Liddel l - $500,000
Kimbo Slice - $500,000
Brock Lesnar - $450,000
Forrest Griffin - $310,000
BJ Penn - $250,000
Randy Couture - $250,000
Anderson Silva - $200,000
Boxing
Oscar Delahoya - $24,000,000
Felix Trinidad - $14,000,000
Wladimir Klitschko - $12,000,000
Manny Pacquiao - $11,000,000
Joe Calzaghe - $10,000,000
Roy Jones - $10,000,000
Bernard Hopkins - $8,000,000
Miguel Cotto - $7,000,000
Kelly Pavlik - $3,000,000
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As of end of 2008
Live Gate
The Top grossing gate in the history of MMA
CHUCK LIDDELL vs. TITO ORTIZ II
12/30/06 $5,397,300
Top Boxing gates of the last 2 years
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR vs. OSCAR DE LA HOYA
05/05/07 $18,419,200
Oscar De La Hoya vs Pacquiao
12/6/08 $14,380,300
Ricky Hatton vs Juan Lazcano
5/24/08 $12,000,000
JOE CALZAGHE vs. BERNARD HOPKINS
04/19/08 $ 11,636,400
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR vs. RICKY HATTON
12/08/07 $10,393,950
Biggest one fight purse for each sport in 2008
MMA
Tim Sylvia - $800,000
Andre Arlovski -$749,690
Chuck Liddel l - $500,000
Kimbo Slice - $500,000
Brock Lesnar - $450,000
Forrest Griffin - $310,000
BJ Penn - $250,000
Randy Couture - $250,000
Anderson Silva - $200,000
Boxing
Oscar Delahoya - $24,000,000
Felix Trinidad - $14,000,000
Wladimir Klitschko - $12,000,000
Manny Pacquiao - $11,000,000
Joe Calzaghe - $10,000,000
Roy Jones - $10,000,000
Bernard Hopkins - $8,000,000
Miguel Cotto - $7,000,000
Kelly Pavlik - $3,000,000
Hahhaaaaaa
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I think alot of wrestlers would make great fighters in MMA, because they have the strength and size.
They need that much skill.....just look at Lesnar, 4 fights (one of which he lost) and already undisputed UFC heavyweight champion.
Exactly....Lesnar has 4 fights and he's the Champ ??
Not exactly a high level of opposition out there. And by the time he gets to a whopping 10 fights, which most pro boxers have under their belt before the receive any kind of attention, someone will probably beat him.
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Exactly....Lesnar has 4 fights and he's the Champ ??
Not exactly a high level of opposition out there. And by the time he gets to a whopping 10 fights, which most pro boxers have under their belt before the receive any kind of attention, someone will probably beat him.
yup :D he didn't think before he wrote that post ahahahaha
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I am a fan of both sports but I think I will always like boxing better. To be honest I can't really explain why I prefer boxing; I think part of it is just the rich history and tradition involved.
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I am a fan of both sports but I think I will always like boxing better. To be honest I can't really explain why I prefer boxing; I think part of it is just the rich history and tradition involved.
I like both the same.
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The whole Ray Mercer- Tim Sylvia argument is so stupid. People don't mention that Ray Mercer was submitted by none other than Kimbo Slice, who is more or less a joke in the mma world. Boxing isn't dead, there's some fantastic fights still out there waiting to be made.
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The truth is that no one gives a shit about boxing.
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The truth is that no one gives a shit about boxing.
go to Germany ;)
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I think that Max Kellerman, a boxing expert and sport radio host in NY made this argument as why boxing is in decline!
basically the next heavy champion is playing line backer in the NFL. And by that he means that most inner city kids have gravitated to basketball and football. In the 50s, 60s and 70s boxing was the #1 outlet for the young athletes. Now football has their attention. Any kid that shows any sign of physical gifts is immediate pulled towards basketball and football.
If Muhammed Alli was born in the 80s he would have played football instead of going into boxing.
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I think that Max Kellerman, a boxing expert and sport radio host in NY made this argument as why boxing is in decline!
basically the next heavy champion is playing line backer in the NFL. And by that he means that most inner city kids have gravitated to basketball and football. In the 50s, 60s and 70s boxing was the #1 outlet for the young athletes. Now football has their attention. Any kid that shows any sign of physical gifts is immediate pulled towards basketball and football.
If Muhammed Alli was born in the 80s he would have played football instead of going into boxing.
Yes, you're right about this, atleast in regards to the USA. Teddy Atlas was actually talking about the same thing on Friday Night Fights a few weeks ago. Most of the current American heavyweights are guys who couldn't make a living in football, so they decided to take up boxing later in life. In the past, heavyweight champions started learning the sweet science at a very young age. Now you have guys picking up boxing well into their 20's, and they aren't able to develop fast enough to pose a challenge to the European heavyweights.
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I think that Max Kellerman, a boxing expert and sport radio host in NY made this argument as why boxing is in decline!
basically the next heavy champion is playing line backer in the NFL. And by that he means that most inner city kids have gravitated to basketball and football. In the 50s, 60s and 70s boxing was the #1 outlet for the young athletes. Now football has their attention. Any kid that shows any sign of physical gifts is immediate pulled towards basketball and football.
If Muhammed Alli was born in the 80s he would have played football instead of going into boxing.
True , because Basketball and Football didn't exist in the 50s,60s and 70s ::)
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True , because Basketball and Football didn't exist in the 50s,60s and 70s ::)
Boxing was more popular up until the 60's.
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lol.
If you think a boxer is more athletic then Anderson Silva, Gsp etc you're more dellisional then Kamali.
Mayweather, Pacman, and Roy Jones Jr. are more athletic. GSP and Silva are very athletic, I give you that. However if they are so athletic why aren't they making millions in pro boxing? They simply don't have the athletic ability or maybe they enjoy MMA more.
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Mayweather, Pacman, and Roy Jones Jr. are more athletic. GSP and Silva are very athletic, I give you that. However if they are so athletic why aren't they making millions in pro boxing? They simply don't have the athletic ability or maybe they enjoy MMA more.
Clearly. Why don't pro hockey players switch over to baseball and make tens of millions? Hmm, maybe they like to play hockey ::) Boxing is dead to the general public. No one gives a shit. Lastly, how can you say Jones is more athletic than GSP? What are you a athletics scout? MMA is a new sport. I'd say it's doing pretty damn good considering it's age. In 10 years boxing will be an afterthought and MMA will still be raking in all the $.
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No shit. Why don't pro hockey players switch over to baseball and make tens of millions? Hmm. maybe they like to play hockey ::) Boxing is dead to the general public. No one gives a shit.
Hockey and baseball have nothing in common. Maybe you could compare ice hockey to street hockey, that would be a better example. MMA and boxing are have similiar attritbutes. Boxing sells more and that's why they can afford to pay the fighter millions. MMA on the other hand, using the major organizations UFC and Affliction as examples, can't afford to pay the best MMA fighter that ever lived more that a million dollars a fight because they don't sell that many tickets or pay-per-views.
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Hockey and baseball have nothing in common. Maybe you could compare ice hockey to street hockey, that would be a better example. MMA and boxing are have similiar attritbutes. Boxing sells more and that's why they can afford to pay the fighter millions. MMA on the other hand, using the major organizations UFC and Affliction as examples, can't afford to pay the best MMA fighter that ever lived more that a million dollars a fight because they don't sell that many tickets or pay-per-views.
They don't? Both sports require superior hand eye coordination, and I would think a hockey player would want to play an easier sport for x10 times the money. Hockey vs street hockey? Thats just silly. The UFC is a pretty new sport....they are growing. Boxing is dead. No one cares for it, and the only reason it generates big purses is because of its age.
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. Boxing is dead. No one cares for it, and the only reason it generates big purses is because of its age.
Oh brother ,money comes from boxing age. ;D
Biggest one fight purse for each sport in 2008
MMA
Tim Sylvia - $800,000
Andre Arlovski -$749,690
Chuck Liddel l - $500,000
Kimbo Slice - $500,000
Brock Lesnar - $450,000
Forrest Griffin - $310,000
BJ Penn - $250,000
Randy Couture - $250,000
Anderson Silva - $200,000
Boxing
Oscar Delahoya - $24,000,000
Felix Trinidad - $14,000,000
Wladimir Klitschko - $12,000,000
Manny Pacquiao - $11,000,000
Joe Calzaghe - $10,000,000
Roy Jones - $10,000,000
Bernard Hopkins - $8,000,000
Miguel Cotto - $7,000,000
Kelly Pavlik - $3,000,000
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Clearly. Why don't pro hockey players switch over to baseball and make tens of millions? Hmm, maybe they like to play hockey ::) Boxing is dead to the general public. No one gives a shit. Lastly, how can you say Jones is more athletic than GSP? What are you a athletics scout? MMA is a new sport. I'd say it's doing pretty damn good considering it's age. In 10 years boxing will be an afterthought and MMA will still be raking in all the $.
Give up on the "boxing is dead issue" It is far from dead and the numbers prove it so quit making yourself look dumb. And YES Roy Jones is more athletic than GSP in being versed at other sports. Jones is a very very good basketball player and baseball player along with bowling and golf. His hand speed makes GSP look like he has them in his pocket. Do you have anything on GSP playing any sports above average other than wrestling maybe or anything to do with MMA. And when you add up all the money a champion boxer makes in a year it adds up to more than ALL the champion in the UFC put together. Exactly how long do you think that will last.
They don't? Both sports require superior hand eye coordination, and I would think a hockey player would want to play an easier sport for x10 times the money. Hockey vs street hockey? Thats just silly. The UFC is a pretty new sport....they are growing. Boxing is dead. No one cares for it, and the only reason it generates big purses is because of its age.
Well this goes against what you said before. you said in 10 years boxing will be gone. But here you say it makes so much money because it is old. in ten years it will be 10 years older so wouldn't the purses even get higher. What story will you tell us next, I can't wait
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UFC=White Trash Boxing
When you're not good enough to box professionally, MMA is looking for a few good men.
Finally, an arena of fighting where white people, actually have a chance. ;D
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Swede you can't expect to just throw out numbers without getting called on it. It is known how much the UFC paid the fighters. Where did the other $3+ million come from. I'm sure he has sponsors but can you name them and give us the exact amount Lesnar got. Since you are the self-appointed President of the Lesnar Fan Club I am sure you have those numbers. By the way boxing will be fine so no worries there. We will wait....................
"Last night at the UFC 100 main event for the undisputed Heavyweight championship bout Brock Lesnar who retained the title not only put on a show by pummeling Frank Mir to the victory, but also put on a show for the crowd with his antics by giving the fans a double middle finger salute and also taking a shot at one of the UFC’s biggest sponsors in Bud Light. Despite all of that the UFC has paid Lesnar an estimated $3 million for his performance."
http://urdirt.com/2009/07/12/ufc-100...ing-bud-light/
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Posted on January 25, 2009
Filed Under Affliction News | 37 Comments
The wage bill for ‘Day of Reckoning’ has been released by the CSAC {California State Athletic Commission}. This will not included any bonuses or sponsorship money the fighters receive. These figures are courtesy of MMAweekley.com.
Legend
WB= Win Bonus
Fedor Emelianenko; $300,000 {no WB}
Andrei Arlovski; $1,500,000 {missed $250k WB}
Josh Barnett; $500,000 {no WB}
Gilbert Yvel; $30,000 {missed $9,300 WB}
Vitor Belfort; $200,000 {includes $80k WB}
Matt Lindland; $225,000 {missed $75k WB}
Renato ‘Babalu’ Sobral; $90,000 {includes $30k WB}
Thierry Sokoudjou; $50,000 {missed $50k WB}
Paul Buentello; $90,000 {includes $20k WB}
Kiril Sidelnikov; $10,000 {missed $25k WB}
Dan Lauzon; $12,000 {no WB}
Bobby Green; $4,000 {missed $4k WB}
Jay Hieron; $45,000 {includes $25k WB}
Jason High; $10,000 {missed $5k WB}
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira; $150,000 {includes $30k WB}
Vladimir Matyushenko; $50,000 {missed $30k WB}
LC Davis; $14,000 {includes $7k WB}
Bao Quach; $7,000 {missed $6k WB}
Albert Rios; $6,000 {includes $3k WB}
Antonio Duarte; $3,000 {missed $2k WB}
Brett Cooper; $10,000 {includes $5k WB}
Patrick Speight; $2,000 {missed $3k WB}
http://www.affliction-mma.com/?p=632
Andrei Arlovski's salary for just appearing in the fight is way more than Fedor. but not sure about after adding PPV cut, sponsers etc.
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first olympics
boxing
mma (pankration)
wrestling
guess which did not co exist?
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This is athleticism!!!!
THAT'S FUCKING 10.000 CLASSES TALENT WISE AND ATHLETICISM WISE COMPARED TO WHAT MMA HAS EVER SEEN
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(http://www.sportgate.de/typo3temp/pics/Wladimir-Klitschko-wird-gegen-Ibragimow-antreten_b6a0c3cc6f.jpg)
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Boxing was more popular up until the 60's.
I think it had more to do with the fact that blacks just couldn't get into the good colleges in those days regardless of what kind of athletes they were.
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I don't disagree with the technical aspects of MMA, but the current hype stems from every Joe Blow Badass that "relates" to MMA. Who can blame them? They grew up watching wrasslin and new they neither had the size nor the charisma to make it there. They watched boxing and simply didn't have the skillset. They watch MMA and loe and behold the heavens open up cause it is such a mixed bag and everyone within is a diehard, dbag idiot....it's like they've finally found their niche. MMA allows every self-proclaimed badass the opportunity to showoff their green belt judo skills.
Excellent post.
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they get a % of the PPV buys also.
Im will search later, I have 2 females cover over in a few min HEHE
They DO NOT get a percentage of the PPV buys. This was a huge reason the Lidell and Couture started complaining a couple years ago when the UFC started getting bigger. The majority of their money is from endorsements, that's why you see the jerk-offs with the banners before the fights start.
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UFC=White Trash Boxing
When you're not good enough to box professionally, MMA is looking for a few good men.
Finally, an arena of fighting where white people, actually have a chance. ;D
Current Heavyweight Champion
(http://www.sportgate.de/typo3temp/pics/Wladimir-Klitschko-wird-gegen-Ibragimow-antreten_b6a0c3cc6f.jpg)
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I don't disagree with the technical aspects of MMA, but the current hype stems from every Joe Blow Badass that "relates" to MMA. Who can blame them? They grew up watching wrasslin and new they neither had the size nor the charisma to make it there. They watched boxing and simply didn't have the skillset. They watch MMA and loe and behold the heavens open up cause it is such a mixed bag and everyone within is a diehard, dbag idiot....it's like they've finally found their niche. MMA allows every self-proclaimed badass the opportunity to showoff their green belt judo skills.
No. You are about 15 years too late with this comment. MMA has matured as sport with much more highly conditioned athletes.
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Nobody's watching that shit anymore
UFC 100 total purse (all fighters combined ) $1.790,000.
Manny Pacquiao last fight purse (against Hatton) $12 million
Oh brother ,Hahaaaa
Here is a world wide google trends search of UFC, MMA, and boxing.
MMA - red line
UFC - blue line
Boxing - orange line
With the exception of "Boxing Day" holiday spikes (which has nothing to with boxing), it is clear in the past few years that the sport is becomming more talked about and searched for than boxing.
(http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=UFC,+MMA,+boxing&date=all&geo=all&graph=weekly_img&sort=0&sa=N)
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when it gets down to brass tacks.. theres a massive talent pool to get thru before you even get to be an area boxing champion, some of these ufc fighters come out of no where, only been fighting 5mins and they seem to climb the ranks?????
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THAT'S FUCKING 10.000 CLASSES TALENT WISE AND ATHLETICISM WISE COMPARED TO WHAT MMA HAS EVER SEEN
very cool.
What would make me watch boxing is if they made is like 6 rounds, and NO holding each other.
Then is would be entertaining all the time.
Not boring as SHIT like now.
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it takes more skill to be an elite boxer than an elite MMA'er, that said boxing is losing ground with popularity.
IMO boxing is much more detailed oriented and specific, you have less options on offense and your skill has to be scrutinized and specific. MAA requires a broader general knowledge of fighting skills, with more opportunity allowed there are more variables.
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Talent like this skips mma and goes for the big money in boxing.
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Talent like this skips mma and goes for the big money in boxing.
Hahhaaa , Johnnynoname was a great entertainer
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Talent like this skips mma and goes for the big money in boxing.
didnt that guy kill someone with his car and his life went down hill after that?
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"On 2 May 2005 Hamed was involved in a 90-mph three-car collision at Ringinglow Road, Sheffield, while driving his £300,000 silver McLaren-Mercedes SLR. He was arrested on 3 May, released on bail and later charged at Sheffield Magistrates Court on 3 December[5].
On 31 March 2006 Hamed entered a plea of guilty, and was warned he could face jail by a judge at Sheffield Crown Court[6]. The Recorder of Sheffield, Judge Alan Goldsack, adjourned the case until 12 May to allow pre-sentence reports to be prepared. The court heard how the man in the car Hamed hit, later revealed as 38-year-old Anthony Burgin, who had attended a number of previous hearings, was unable to come to court because he was in hospital for further treatment. His wife Clare was also injured.
On 12 May the court heard in a sentencing hearing how Hamed had been anxious to impress businessman Asif Goro (aged 46), who was a passenger in the McLaren-Mercedes at the time of the crash. Hamed was showing what his car could do when he crossed a solid white line at a speed of at least 90 mph and crashed head-on into a Volkswagen Golf that emerged from a dip in the road. Hamed's car then hit a second vehicle, the Ford Mondeo he had been trying to overtake. Mr. Burgin, the driver of the Volkswagen Golf, was very seriously injured, breaking every major bone in his body and suffering bruising to the brain[1]. Hamed escaped unhurt.
Hamed was jailed for 15 months after pleading guilty at an earlier hearing. He was also given a four-year driving ban. Judge Alan Goldsack told Hamed: "I find it astonishing that the DVLA has not been prepared to co-operate with the prosecution to give them details of your earlier offences - apparently on human rights grounds." The DVLA's decision led to Hamed being sentenced without the judge being told he had previously been banned for a year for driving a Porsche at 110mph on the M1 in Derbyshire. It was also revealed that Hamed had three other previous convictions for speeding offences, details of which the prosecution had to find from court records.
Hamed was granted an early release and left prison on 4 September 2006 after serving 16 weeks of the 15 month sentence. Hamed was placed under Home Detention Curfew for the remainder of his sentence, and monitored by an electronic tag. Anthony Burgin, the driver whom Hamed collided with, said: "I am shocked that after such a serious accident Mr Hamed has been released after less than four months." Nevertheless, the appointment of Hamed to be a "Member of the Civil Division of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" (otherwise known as an MBE) was annulled as a consequence of the conviction.[2]
There was also a civil court case rumoured to cost Hamed up to £1 million plus legal costs, as Burgin was deemed unable ever to work again.[7]
Burgin was later arrested and charged with dangerous driving for an incident alleged to have involved Eleasha Hamed (the wife of Naseem) on 19 April 2007. Burgin pleaded not guilty, and appeared in court on 17 March 2008,[8] following which he was cleared of charges.[9]"
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Lighting fast though.
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i'm willing to bet more people know who the ufc champs are than boxing champs
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didnt that guy kill someone with his car and his life went down hill after that?
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i'm willing to bet more people know who the ufc champs are than boxing champs
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qft
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shouldve kept that spicy loose attitude in the ring only
definitly the type of guy to be overconfident wich is good in sports only
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Whoever insists that boxing is dead has no clue whatsoever. Just because Tyson isn't boxing anymore doesn't mean there's no other reason to watch boxing.
I like both sports but I will always watch a good boxing match over a good MMA fight.
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i'm willing to bet more people know who the ufc champs are than boxing champs
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Demographics. The younger dipshits that think they are badasses would probably know the mma champs. This is the same as back in the 80's where everyone followed Tyson even though he was fighting bums all the time. People knew the champs and the great fighters: Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns, Foreman, Holmes, and eventually Holyfield, Bowe, Golota, and Lennox.
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boxing is not dead by any means.... but it is definitely not as popular as before
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Demographics. The younger dipshits that think they are badasses would probably know the mma champs. This is the same as back in the 80's where everyone followed Tyson even though he was fighting bums all the time. People knew the champs and the great fighters: Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns, Foreman, Holmes, and eventually Holyfield, Bowe, Golota, and Lennox.
LOL andrew golota "great fighter" ???
i don't know, espn seems to cover mma ppv's moreso than boxing ppv's unless de la hoya or mayweather fights
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LOL andrew golota "great fighter" ???
i don't know, espn seems to cover mma ppv's moreso than boxing ppv's unless de la hoya or mayweather fights
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lol, yeah. he was good before riddick bowe drilled him and eventually lennox. he reminded me of ivan drago.
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The art of defensive boxing.
The Untouchable and Sweet Pea .
:o :o :o :o
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The art of defensive boxing.
The Untouchable and Sweet Pea .
:o :o :o :o
Whitaker was fun to watch...he was virtually unhittable when he wanted to be. Underrated
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Whitaker was fun to watch...he was virtually unhittable when he wanted to be. Underrated
I agree
what do you think about Locche ? the black guy he was fighting there was all time great Kid Pambele.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=290114.0;attach=329948;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=290114.0;attach=329949;image)
what a fucking asshole! >:(
boxing is not dead.
so far a 21 page sherdog thread on boxing. good read so far.
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/great-debate-boxing-vs-mma-1014789/ (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/great-debate-boxing-vs-mma-1014789/)
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lol, yeah. he was good before riddick bowe drilled him and eventually lennox. he reminded me of ivan drago.
actually he was beating bowe but then decided to beat bowe's balls :-X
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boxing is not dead.
so far a 21 page sherdog thread on boxing. good read so far.
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/great-debate-boxing-vs-mma-1014789/ (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/great-debate-boxing-vs-mma-1014789/)
yes it's a good read!
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I agree
what do you think about Locche ? the black guy he was fighting there was all time great Kid Pambele.
You are a student of the game more than I am, don't know that guy, but he's impressive.